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On November 08 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was even tunneled enough to convince the cop that HIS GREEN CHECK IS MAFIA.
Damn, that cop must've been really good 
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On November 08 2015 22:18 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2015 21:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 08 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) IT doesn't even matter if the team gets yay'd or not. It forces sicklucker to give actual reads (as now he is just hiding behind "i will nay everything with Xata/rayn in it") and we'll hear something new from Shockeyy unless he wants that team to go on a mission. Basically if i am on the mission two of the people i think are mafia have a bullshit reason to downvote it and continue saying nothing on other people. Hmmmm It seems very risky though. And I don't like the idea of nominating a team I think likely has a spy. On November 07 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If there is 1 scum in you/xata/sl, and I think there likely is, that means there's 2 scum in Rels/HtS/Shockeyy/Superbia/Kita and I have to select the exact 3 townies from the 5. That seems like a much harder task than selecting the player I have a strong townread on from the mission that failed. I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm. You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed. Okay, fair enough. I have a concert tonight though so my final team will probably be submitted around like 17:45 GMT (+00:00) unless I read enough on mobile to change my mind by the end of it. ##Nominate Artanis[Xp], Rels, kitaman27, Superbia THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE 1 - unless I missed it, you didn't explain why you thought I was scum 2 - you're nominating a team that you think will fail just because rayn told you ? The only explanation I see is that you're scum trying to pass a failure team, put the blame on me (Haha I told you so!) and on rayn (but rayn told me to do that!). I have explained why I think you're likely scum. The gist of it comes down to how it seems like you're just throwing shit at everyone and seeing what sticks, and how you seem to be posting just to be posting. That "vote analysis" thing I dissected was an example of that. As for 2, think harder. On November 08 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now for the rest of the game i am going to call HtS bad and make her feel bad.
Hope she is scum. Please Rayn, don't  Saying this off the record: I enjoy playing with you and I think you're a great dude, but you need to not allow things to get to you so much man. People can have differing opinions on things and people can be wrong. That doesn't give you the authority to be a dick over it. Hit me up and we'll play a game if you're still feeling shitty. 1 - your scumread on me wasn't displayed in thread, as demonstrated here: + Show Spoiler +On November 08 2015 04:20 Rels wrote:Arta's read evolution on me: Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 06:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Need to re-eval rels more when I actually have a pc and can compare filters. Moving him back to null/fear read though. Null read - need evaluation.Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 06:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 02:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 05 2015 22:29 Half the Sky wrote:On the topic of Artanis, I know he said he'd free up more Thursday so I look forward to reading more from him. Can't recall if he has capoeira today though, IRL he has been on a tear with that. Which means if he drops by in the UK, his first objective will be to dropkick me. Damn it.  Nope, I'm gonna mostly have time for the next four hours. I may drop by to dropkick you anyway though  On November 05 2015 07:23 Rels wrote:On November 05 2015 06:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh jesus rels is involved in everything as mafia too x_x How do you know I'm involved in everything as town as well ? I'm pretty sure we never played together ?? Two things: A) I assume most people have far more involved town games than scumgames. My townread on you came from the fact that you seem very active and involved in almost every discussion. That's generally enough to townread most players. B) I have seen you play town before, though I haven't played with you. I'm not sure which game I was observing anymore but I have done so. Also C) I never called you scum. I said you're back to null because what I thought made you town is apparently not alignment indicative. OK that makes sense. Security check: can you link me to the game in question ? All my games are in my profile so that should take you like 5 seconds. Im also pretty sure you said you would be reading my filter and evaluating me. Will you do it, or are you pulling a Hts ? Student Mafia XVI. I was a coach there too. I did kinda evaluate you, though not as thoroughly yet as I need to. I also want to know why you suddenly decided to re-eval Rayn. Didn't finish the eval. Rels why did you re evaluate rayn ?Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 18:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm kind of around but at work. Not much to say until we find out if the mission passes or not honestly. If it does, I'm obviously nominating myself with the other three. Don't want to say too much about it before the pass/fail happens to not give any clues to any spy whether they should sabotage or not.
@Rels/HtS your explanations were satisfactory, though I'd still like to hear from HtS what exactly changed her mind on me when she's on a pc. Rels, your explanation was satisfactory.Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Because I just don't understand the point of the post you made. Thinking about the different possible scenarios that could happen from that vote pattern, regardless of what I think of the players myself, so it's easier to understand what's going on when we get the result. I just don't really get why you're going into scenario's where you'll never be able to discern which is which though. Like I said; being "unlikely" that they'd pass a mission with a mafia in it only to follow it up with the fact that it is possible You list the possible scenarios, but I'm pretty sure everyone's already figured that if the 3-person mission passes and the 4-person mission fails, it is in fact possible for one of the people in the 3-person mission to still be a spy. Cause I want it to be clear in my head. And that worked; I discovered that if success-then-fail happened, determining your alignment via behaviour will solve a big part of the game. Well yes, determining the alignment of the 4th player when there's a 3-success then 4-fail is probably important. It just seems like you went for a pretty.. roundabout way of approaching it? Eh, whatever, it's not that important I guess. I kinda wanna hear more from you about Rayn and SL, but I think it's best to wait for the results first. LOL OK said like that it's sound super dumb. (= It has something else to do with voting though: if the team is clean, the scum team is probably shockey / Superbia / kita. If one of them is wrong, you have to be the last scum, since the team is clean and HTS could have voted "no" super easily with what she was saying just before deadline. How are you ever going to determine if the team is clean though? This is what I didn't get from your analysis. Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. (after a back and forth) You made a post that didn't say anything.Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 19:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 07 2015 18:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 18:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really think you should pick Rels. You will never get this team yay-voted. Why do you suddenly think Rels is town? Because it doesn't make sense that 2 sscum voted nay and Shockeyy is 100% scum. I can see it making sense. When scum scumread players on the suggested team, they can't yayvote regardless of what they want. Shockey scumread you and xata and rels scumread you and SL. Even if they wanted to yayvote, they couldn't given their reads. Though I guess I can see how Rels' scumread on both of you came after the team was already nominated, so it was a choice and he didn't really need to turn around and do that. I need to check if he scumread SL before the team was suggested now. Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Yeah Rels had been suspicious of SL a lot already so there was no way he could vote yes to the mission. Sudden scumread ?Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 19:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 09:52 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 09:45 Xatalos wrote:On November 07 2015 09:16 Rels wrote:On November 07 2015 08:00 Fidei86 wrote:
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015. Alright then we have at least one scum in Xata / rayn / SL. Then I think we have at the very least 2 scums in Xata / rayn / SL / HTS / Arta, maybe 3. I think that's a reasonable assumption... But rayn is most likely town, so I guess that would mean HTS, Artanis and SL would be scum? Kind of hard to see at least Artanis being scum, HTS maybe. So I'd guess there are 1+ scum hiding in the NO votes as well. Don't know, I'm kinda re evaluating everything here. The obvious answer to me is "rayn is scum, SL is town, rayn put SL to blame him when the team fails." Then at least HTS or Arta with him, maybe both. But SL is not obvious town either, so I'm not sure. And let's not forget YOU are the one that nominated the failing team. If you're scum, that would mean you broke your meta, but that's possible. Okay, hold up, timeline: 1. Rels considered SL scummy. 2. Rels started considering Rayn scummy. 3. Rels still considered SL scummy. 4. Mission fails. 5. Rels considers SL obvious town because he's being set up by Rayn. What happened between 3 and 5 that made you think it's MORE likely for SL to be town after the mission fails? Here is a thing Rels did that was weird.Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 22:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels. I think Rels has a good chance of being scum though. I'd feel more comfortable with about anyone else but Shockeyy and probably sicklucker (though I'm not entirely convinced it's sicklucker over Xata) Rels has a good chance of being scum.This makes no sense. I'm null - need eval; since then: - Arta commented on two weird things I did from his POV - I voted NO to a failure team and I have a good chance of being scum ? Artanis. Explain yourself. Plus, assuming you think I'm scum; you think Xata or SL is scum; who is the third from your POV ? Either HTS, or one of the NO voters ? 2 - I don't get it.
1. The scumread was implicit by the fact that I pressed you on one thing for quite some time. I'd figure you'd notice.
2. If I lay it out then it loses its purpose.
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So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things.
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On November 09 2015 07:11 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 07:05 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 06:57 Half the Sky wrote:
So both of you are scumreading each other for dodging questions? Am I reading that right? I think I can see what Artanis is doing with #2 tbh, but seeing people hesistant to show all their cards to a potential scumread is not something I consider scum indicative. Source on arta scumreading me for dodging plz. OH SHIT. I just read post #1962. No I misread with all those line breaks. Disregard that last post then. And then I see this explanation from Artanis. Show nested quote +I have explained why I think you're likely scum. The gist of it comes down to how it seems like you're just throwing shit at everyone and seeing what sticks, and how you seem to be posting just to be posting. That "vote analysis" thing I dissected was an example of that. If I'm following those line breaks correctly, oh god that is a bad explanation from Artanis. I don't agree with that explanation.
Why don't you agree with the explanation?
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On November 09 2015 07:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh, I know deadline is a bit rough wanting to go to bed early. 2215 here. I think I might crash after deadline.
Shockey, what do you think about Superbia/Artanis in general? I know Artanis looked at you (IIRC) saying you "could" be scum for not having much reads and not wanting to give teammates away.
I know you are (were?) scumreading rayn but any developing thoughts on superbia or Artanis?
Do you have an opinion on Superbia yourself?
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On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway
-Explained my reasoning already. Doesn't make me scum.
-My reasoning is plain to see and I pushed you on it.
-Explained this just now.
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On November 09 2015 08:24 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 07:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh, I know deadline is a bit rough wanting to go to bed early. 2215 here. I think I might crash after deadline.
Shockey, what do you think about Superbia/Artanis in general? I know Artanis looked at you (IIRC) saying you "could" be scum for not having much reads and not wanting to give teammates away.
I know you are (were?) scumreading rayn but any developing thoughts on superbia or Artanis? Do you have an opinion on Superbia yourself? I told Kita slight town lean based on posting and the Xatalos disassociation, though conflicted by activity/inactivity upon looking in the last hour. I'd say closer to null. The reasons seem acceptable though but if he's town, I hope he'll give more reasons for us to call him town.
There's not much reason for dissociation to mean that they can't be scum together though. Bussing can be done without any real effect in this game. Do you have anything beyond thinking Xatalos is scum and them being dissociated for you?
On November 09 2015 08:25 Half the Sky wrote:2330....I need to sleep lovelies. Good night <3 Although you are really up late Lex....this game aside, go to bed!
I'm going to bed too >>. Fight you tomorrow!
Maybe.
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On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission....
You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels?
He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no.
On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been?
Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia.
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On November 09 2015 17:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. So what did you learn ?
Actually thinking about it, I think it makes SL slightly more likely to be town. He mentioned how he thinks Rayn/Xata can both be scum and he wanted a team outside of those two. Presuming SL is scum, with 4 people nominated outside of the group the chances of one of his scumbuddies being in there is high. It would only make sense for him to vote no if his scumteam exists exactly out of Shockeyy/HtS, but if that's the case why did Shockeyy vote YES to the mission?
The reason I don't want to draw the conclusion too strongly is that I feel it was pretty clear from thread sentiment that the mission would likely not get the go ahead.
On November 09 2015 17:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 08:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway -Explained my reasoning already. Doesn't make me scum. -My reasoning is plain to see and I pushed you on it. -Explained this just now. Well you can have all the reasoning in the world, you're still scum 'cause your reasonning sucks (= you think I'm scum for weak reasons. It's especially weird that you don't seem to push suspicions on HTS that much, which if you're town is 99% scum, the 1% being "2 scums voted NO" or "2 scums were on the first team". Your reasoning for nominating the team was "OK I'll follow rayn so I don't have to explain anything".
My reasoning makes perfect sense from a town perspective. Just because there's a possible mafia motivation too doesn't actually make that automatically true. My reasons for pushing you are fine, as for not pushing HtS as much: Rayn is the next person to pick. He's never going to pick HtS, whereas he might pick you, therefore focussing on you makes more sense.
As for the reasoning on the picks, I've gone into that already. If you actually think that makes me scummy you're not playing very well.
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On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree.
Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down?
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On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy
10/10 team, will pass.
On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote?
The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been?
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On November 09 2015 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So like, Xatalos is stubbornly trying to push a team that has both me and him in it, when at least half of the people in the game think one of us might be scum.
HtS doesn't even read the game (or apparently any game she has ever played) so i don't see any reason i should pay any attention to what she posts.
Shockeyy hasn't made a single logical conslusion in this game, and Artanis now for some reason thinks Xatalos is mafia instead of sicklucker because of what Shockeyy says.
sicklucker doesn't wanna say yes to any team he doesn't pick himself, doesn't scumhunt and just hides behind his heuristic.
Superbia gave up a long time ago on this game.
So yeah, i am just gonna vote yes to any team that gets picked and/or wait for SL to present his team and if the team is all town we win -- or if the team fails i am gonna blame the dude who picked the team. Because that's the correct play, right sicklucker?
Basically this game cannot possibly go anywhere so i don't really see any reason why i should give any fucks rn.
I'm very much undecided between sicklucker and xatalos and that has very little to do with shockeyy.
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Also I kinda wanna know why Superbia voted no for the last team.
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On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted?
Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever?
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On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 09:01 Xatalos wrote:
I guess Superbia/Rels/kita look good for the NO votes at least. It's decently likely that the group is "pure" just based on that. Superbia hasn't really looked bad regardless so it's kind of likely he's town. kita and Rels... Are more questionable for me. I think both of them could have well done what they've done here as scum... It's mostly the NO votes that gives them credit IMO
Meanwhile Artanis does indeed suffer from the YES vote, much like HTS, especially because they weren't on the mission team themselves (I think it's more natural to vote YES if you're included on the mission than if not...). Just considering that, it might actually not be the best idea to include either of them on the next mission.... You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels? He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no. On November 09 2015 11:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 08:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So yeah, I suggested a team I didn't actually want to see who was going to vote yes on it, gauge responses and all that. I figure after the first mission fails we want to gather some more information anyway. Like Rayn said, there'd be limited information on submitting a team with me/him/Superbia/Kitaman as someone like sicklucker would have an excuse to vote no without really backing it up. Now, we get to hear justifications for things. If you were to nominate a team you did indeed want to pass, what would it have been? Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it? So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it?
Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL.
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On November 09 2015 22:17 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 16:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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You think Superbia looks the best between Superbia/Kita/Rels?
He's actually the one I'm questioning the most from my townreads. He has looked pretty good at times, but the inactivity is worrying. Also, given how you've butted heads with him a lot, where does the strong townread come from? I know you read him as town earlier, but not strongly and he hasn't really done much since other than vote no.
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Honestly there's no team I'm confident in that will pass at the moment. Need more time. The team I'd consider having the highest chance of success would be me/Rayn/Kita/one of Xata and Superbia. Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it? So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it? Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL. Well hard to think you would vote YES while your scumread was in it? The SL thing.... I guess so.
I would imagine you'd fight me a little harder on the SL thing given that you feel Rayn is still basically confirmed town. Do you have any doubt in that at all?
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On November 09 2015 22:28 Xatalos wrote:
Question to everyone:
What would need to have changed in the previous suggestion for it to have been YES voted by you?
(As for me: preferably Kita/Rels replaced by me/rayn)
The team I'd be most comfortable with was what I suggested but with rayn instead of rels. I figured it wasn't going to pass though, and there's still doubts in me about Super, which is why I did what I did.
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On November 09 2015 22:37 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 22:28 Xatalos wrote:
Question to everyone:
What would need to have changed in the previous suggestion for it to have been YES voted by you?
(As for me: preferably Kita/Rels replaced by me/rayn) The team I'd be most comfortable with was what I suggested but with rayn instead of rels. I figured it wasn't going to pass though, and there's still doubts in me about Super, which is why I did what I did. K... Who would you replace super with?
That's kind of the issue. If I'm wrong on Super either HtS or Rels is town. Since I'm uncertain between SL/you it makes it pretty hard to find the alternative. I guess I'd still go for you though, mostly based on Rayn's strong townread of you.
Also, please answer
On November 09 2015 22:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:17 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 22:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 21:57 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy 10/10 team, will pass. On November 09 2015 21:30 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 09 2015 19:01 Xatalos wrote:
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Well, voting NO to the failed mission is already pretty good in itself. I haven't ever thought of him as scummy after the very start either, unlike the other two, so I'd say he's probably the best pick out of the three... The only worrying part about him is his lurking, I agree. Do you have any evaluations from how the vote went down? Which vote? The one we just had that failed. I'm not quite sure what else it could've possibly been? Oh, I thought you perhaps meant the failed mission, not the recent nomination. I don't think there's much to it. It was going to be down voted anyways so scum could have done pretty much whatever they wanted? Surely there's still something they want to show with their votes though? Do you think that the votes have no meaning whatsoever? I think the team kind of lost its legitimacy when you put your own scumread in it? So since even you were apparently going to down vote it, I don't think it could have really been made to pass...... rayn seems to have given up and just votes YES on anything, SL votes NO until he gets to pick the team, shockeyy's vote makes no sense.... Meh. Did you get something interesting out of it? Eh, I don't think I was super clear that I was going to downvote it? Rels didn't seem to understand my intention behind it at least. And like I said, I do think that it says something about SL. Well hard to think you would vote YES while your scumread was in it? The SL thing.... I guess so. I would imagine you'd fight me a little harder on the SL thing given that you feel Rayn is still basically confirmed town. Do you have any doubt in that at all?
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On November 09 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
I'm not really even sure what you're saying about SL there?
If SL is mafia, he downvoted a team that most likely has a mafia on it (since Rayn/Xata weren't on the team, he'd have to be with exactly HtS/Shockeyy for that not to be the case).
Shockeyy also voted yes to the team which suggests that if he's mafia, there is a mafia on the team making that possibility even less likely.
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Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before.
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