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I'm upvoting this team. I am confident on my townread on sicklucker. People afraid of sicklucker should realise the whole contradicting thing is something he does as both alignments, but the manner - if you can trace it - of going back and forth between Rels/Artanis indicates he's not on an agenda. But if everyone's afraid of him, I have the above combination that I feel will be more palatable to town if that's what it takes.
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6000!
And for my 6000th post, it is aimed at Vivax. You stated how Xatalos you thought his mindset was town.
Explain the town mindset from this set of quotes (for full context pages 111-115, when the mission is deemed passed)
On November 10 2015 21:54 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote:On November 10 2015 06:23 Xatalos wrote:
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?
It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/
And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh. holy shit i might vote yes just to see if the scum team is like xata art +1 Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 08:08 Half the Sky wrote:
So looks like we need to see more from Vivax and then will need to tinfoil Kita, but at the moment (operative words being at the moment) I would upvote this team.
Kita, any followup, shout (#2183). I warn you as I did Rels, work is going to bury me tomorrow (0800-2200 again FML), but I'll do my best.
Good night. I was considering voting YES (since the next leaders wouldn't most likely suggest anything better than this), but these endorsements really give me the creeps....... Both SL/HTS being excited about the team..... Geh :/ Kind of feels like there could be scum included after all. Thoughts, rayn?
On November 10 2015 22:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 21:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Don't care. I trust on my reads more on to what mafia might wifom. You seemed very confident in the earlier me/SL argument though? You mean they could be trying to reproduce that argument now....? I guess it's possible. Still concerns me quite a bit....
On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS....
On November 10 2015 22:33 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 10 2015 22:02 Xatalos wrote:
Then again, otherwise this will probably go to SL's decision -> fail..... It's like picking between ebola and AIDS.... I don't know why you would be "picking between ebola and AIDS" if you can't even make a case on why i should not include kita/Rels on my team... Mainly just that I'm not that confident on them + SL/HTS endorsing this team. It's not like it's the worst team in itself. Just not the best, and endorsed by the two most likely scum :/
Then we had this.
On November 11 2015 08:03 Fidei86 wrote:
Day 2
raynpelikoneet's Nomination (raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Vivax)
Vote Result
Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - NO
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - YES
Rels - YES
sicklucker - NO
kitaman27 - YES
Vivax - YES
MISSION IS APPROVED
raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels and Vivax will be embarking on Mission 2
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 11 November 2015.
And as we know that mission failed. One thing to note in Xatalos' explanation to rayn (expand the 4th condensed quote) is that he was very vague (again another example of a vague explanation from Xata when he's mafia) in saying "not the very best/worst" as opposed to explaining to rayn why either of Kita or Rels was or was not mafia.
Him not giving a direct response on the individuals up for discussion here (Kita/Rels) and instead using how sicklucker and I reacted to the team shows he's trying to disassociate from them (or at least giving reads on them since for whatever reason he has to watch himself).
Now I voted for this team myself as you can see - yes - but it was after re-reading Rels' filter and re-considering other things, which I came forward with immediately when I saw the voting results.
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On November 14 2015 03:33 sicklucker wrote:
How sure are you that vivax is town
More than half. In a short rundown:
- similar reads to mine, which is more critical as we're in the late game. Look at Kita's last suggested possible scumteam (Vivax/Artanis/ and either you or Xatalos) - does that make any sense to you? Can you draw any association with that at all?
- aside from OMGUS, which omgus in of itself is NAI, can you find any mafia agenda/mindset in Vivax's posting? His expectations from Kita, are somewhat meta based (for example post #2838), which shouldn't be hard to tell if you are reading his posts correctly.
- Vivax is scumreading you, but the process is clear but he's not out to bury you, he even said he'd read Kita's materials on you. Compare and contrast the approaches of those willing to re-evaluate and those that aren't. In fact look at Kita's approach to Vivax, early on you can see how Vivax tries to engage Kita (it was right after the team was formally nominated)
Kita sounds reasonable yeh, but he was like this in Personality. He's got a calm reasonable go as both alignments. The kicker here is that Vivax is appearing to expose an agenda (e.g #2836)
Admittedly the associative read between Rels/Kita is also making me more sure it's a Xata/Rels/Kita team.
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On November 14 2015 03:57 sicklucker wrote:
5. ShoCkeyy
6. Rels -likely scum
7. sicklucker - no one will vote yes on my team
8. kitaman27 - scum
9. Vivax - Him controlling the vote is the same as me amusing hes town
eh acualy we probably have to vote here to win hts scum controls most of the noms. Gambling on vivax is a big risk but he controls the 5th and last nomination so we may as well gamble on him with the team of are choice.
He will probably put a worse team up if hes town
They will vote yes on your team if the team doesn't include yourself. I know you're town, but other townies are scared of you. Look at Vivax's combination and except for Xata, you find the rest of his suggestions palatable, you should.
If there's a reason you want me to downvote this team instead let me know. From general thread sentiment I gather it won't pass.
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If you need to sleep, go for it, but ask yourself how you think Rels and Artanis are both mafia.
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On November 14 2015 04:04 sicklucker wrote:
Alright hts you gotta be that dude from house of cards and wrangle up the votes we need. I can help but Ill probably jsut make it worse
I'm still at work. Remember I'm stateside for another 8 days 
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Kita, he scumread you (or at least was skeptical) out of the game then he engaged you (or tried to) right after the team announcement. The remarks I made to sicklucker showed he was re-evaluating sicklucker but my point was he did so to both of you, you just picked quotes to suit your argument. Focus on where he posted right after the team announcement - paraphrasing "Kita let me take it to the next level" or something like that.
He was re-evaluating both you and sicklucker in any case.
Kita, Kita, you are breaking my heart.
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On November 14 2015 04:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Because in the end then that should mean Xata is town, you're town, Rels is town, everyone could be town... Like you seriously think that by having some one that was in two failed missions could possible be more town? That's the complete wrong logic to think about it by. I don't care how good meta read he is, it's the worst thing to do is place him into another team when two with him already have failed. Don't give two shits if he's town or not. I rather just not have him on a team again...
You need to ask yourself why mafia are NOT trying to bury him (note: I'm not saying this makes you mafia) when he was on both failed missions.
I don't know if you are biased somewhat because of how rayn was treating/reading you earlier this game but if you ignore everything he has said and done towards you this game and focus on the way he was reading others, ask yourself if that come from a town or a mafia mindset.
(I realise Coag's inactivity isn't helping atm, but that is a separate issue.)
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IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO UPVOTE THIS TEAM.
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On November 14 2015 05:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 00:40 kitaman27 wrote:On November 13 2015 16:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Wait, I answered all your questions, you apparently didn't have any more yet now I'm basically confirmed scum to you? Explain yourself. - You push suspicion on shockeyy when he questions Rels about the rayn read making a generic statement, rather than considering that he is simply trying to understand the discrepancy.
I said that the way he was pushing it, he seemed to be trying to bury Rels. That's how I read it. Show nested quote +[*]You seem disinterested on day one, requiring people to actually pose questions to you on multiple occasions, rather than taking initiative. You don't provide much input at all regarding nominations on day one, despite your chart suggesting that you have a read on every player. I didn't have much time. I mentioned this as soon as the game started. I also shared my reads when I had them. Show nested quote +[*]Your interaction with Xatalos regarding the day one nomination is very scummy. He asks you directly if you are fine being excluded and you reply yes, stating that we're going to nominate four people next mission so it's not all that important. This is not a town mindset in my opinion. Since that group of three players had at least one spy, it suggests you were more concerned about not having the overlap with two spies in the first mission. I've explained this before. I thought all three players were likely town. If I was correct in that, I got to nominate myself the day after with the group and win the game. I took a risk in presuming all three were town and it didn't pay off, but the logic is certainly there. You're simply framing it in a mafia mindset when the townie mindset is obvious. Show nested quote +[*]After creating your chart, you town read sicklucker for being open and aggressive and pledge your support behind the day one team. However your chart shows that sicklucker has a single strong scum read on xatalos. When sicklucker drops the scum read on xatalos after he is included, you don't think anything of it. The chart was a single moment in time. Sicklucker had been open and aggressive. Show nested quote +[*]When it comes up your turn to suggest a nomination, you decide to throw it away by letting rayn talk you into excluding the player who you seem to have the strongest town read for. You say you suggested the team because you wanted it to fail to gain information. However, on day one when there was a large amount of information to be gained and less content in the thread to go by, you decided to pass the mission. Furthermore, there is little sense of concern about accidentally having the mission go through when you didn't want it to. The information gained from your nomination after it failed was negligible. I didn't have time on Day 1. Monday through Wednesday are very busy days for me. I can keep repeating that if you want. Furthermore, no team that I wanted that I could suggest would go through. By sending a mission that would not pass through, there'd be more days to gather information and I'd have more time to actually get more accurate reads as well as make myself townread and get on a mission I favour. Show nested quote +[*]When the same exact mission with rayn subbed out for yourself comes up, you provide very little input regarding how people should vote. You state that you didn't nominate the team of artanis/super/rayn/kita because you were still not sure about super. This doesn't really seem to change in the next 24 hours. However, when the rayn/rels/super/kita team comes up you vote no, but make little effort to make sure the mission doesn't pass. The no vote sets you up to look townie going into cycle three, while still allowing the vote to go through by staying quiet. So now I'm being scumread for voting no on a mission with scum on it. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you came into this analysis with a made up mind already. I'm sorry that I didn't have the time to push hard on not wanting the mission to go through. That doesn't actually make me scum. Show nested quote +[*]After town reading me the entire game, you state that I should be excluded by cherry picking my post when I made the assumption that I'm town. Of course I'm going to assume I'm town. You then apply a process of elimination read by stating that Xata/Super cannot be scum buddies, therefore it is likely that Xata/Kita could be scum buddies. You state that the Xata/Super interaction has no benefit, but they both came out on good terms in the thread and Super earned a lot of town points based on the little spat they had. However, you fail to consider that the Xata/Kita interaction has very little actual benefit, by dismissing it as a bus of sorts. Outcome does not matter, it's the mindset going into it that matters. I really don't believe any scum player, especially Superbia would come up with the idea of "let's attack Xatalos for some awkward wording he made and keep hammering on about it for no reason, I'm sure that's going to get me so much towncred!" I really don't. Scumreading eachother is also not as big a deal in Resistance as it is in real mafia, since it only matters to get on a mission yourself. Show nested quote +[*]There are very few new ideas that you bring to the thread throughout the game. Most of your content is replying to ideas from other individuals. Most of the game you are playing passive and avoiding direct confrontations. I play a reply-based game. Look at all my town games. I gain reads through interaction and push those reads through, which is what I have been doing all game (albeit not pushing them as hard as usual, which is due to restricted time). I'm also clearly not avoiding confrontations as can be observed by how I've treated Xatalos, Rels, and Sicklucker this game. Your analysis suggests you've made up your mind before even going through my filter. It makes me pretty sure you're scum. Furthermore, the fact that Xata seems to have gone MIA and isn't really trying anymore leads me to believe he's probably the last scum since I don't think he does that as town. That, combined with the resistance from scummy players to this team leads me to want to yayvote it.
sicklucker, read the last paragraph from Artanis.
Does that look like mafia Artanis to you?
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 14 2015 05:15 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2015 04:47 Half the Sky wrote:
He was re-evaluating both you and sicklucker in any case. Why do you say this though? By throwing a few questions my way about town reads? When I respond to him with a second explanation of my town read on Rels he responds with the random "DUNKED" comment. This isn't interacting with me. It takes me asking him to comment on Rels for him to respond. I also ask for him to comment about artanis and he gives a one liner without explanation that he is town. I ask him to explain the kita + SL read further by reading my filter and he states that he won't be discussing things with me further because I'm scum. He is not re-evaluating me. He claims that he has read the first six pages of my filter. He later states that he hasn't had a chance to look at my interaction with SL yet. How is this possible? Pages four through six of my filter are essentially ALL INTERACTIONS with sicklucker. Here are a bunch of posts that he would have had to read. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 09:40 sicklucker wrote:On November 05 2015 09:13 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team On November 05 2015 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
oh i liked the xatalos filter thing. i think we should pass this its very likely 3 towns from my pov Since this post infers that you didn't see the xatalos analysis until now....why does super need an excuse to reject the SL/xat/rayn team if you thought xat was scum? Wouldn't a scum super be happy to pass the team you thought had a spy in it? WHY would scum want a all town team to pass? You called xata scum though at that point. So it wasn't an all town team from your perspective. Yet you scum read him for wanting to reject it anyways. Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum? Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 01:49 kitaman27 wrote:So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL. Your two main points initially were 1) That he would bus as a spy. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:SL would bus (lol).  Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. And i still think SL would just bus. On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote:
unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission. 2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now. Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda? The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy. Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion? Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 03:42 kitaman27 wrote:On November 06 2015 03:21 Xatalos wrote:
Dunno about that bus thing, but isn't it a quite restrictive scum strategy to only approve teams that you're a part of? Well it's the strategy I used as spy in Resistance 2. On February 22 2012 05:10 kitaman27 wrote:
I sent my nay vote in as well. Doesn't make much sense to me to support a team where I'm not a part of on day one. On February 22 2012 05:16 kitaman27 wrote:
I don't mind drawing out the voting a while if it gives us the best chance of winning. Not saying it's a good strategy or anything, but it was exactly the policy I pushed myself. Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.
Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting. The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said: On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum? then i just dont understand english I'll try to make it as simple as possible: 1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL 2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team 3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL? Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 10:37 kitaman27 wrote:On November 07 2015 10:09 sicklucker wrote:On November 07 2015 08:22 kitaman27 wrote:On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.
Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting. The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said: On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead. Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum? then i just dont understand english I'll try to make it as simple as possible: 1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL 2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team 3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL? ok i called it an all town team. I was suspicious of super The reason you say you are suspicious of super isn't possible though. You called him scum because you say you thought he wanted to reject SL/rayn/artanis. You can't think he was referring to a SL/rayn/artanis team because he said he wanted Artanis instead of SL in the post you called him scum for. How can he want artanis in place of SL if they are both in the team you think he is referring to? Does anyone else get what I'm saying or am I talking to a wall? Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 12:30 kitaman27 wrote:On November 07 2015 11:06 sicklucker wrote:
I called super scum for calling the xata team would fail. On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there.. These statements contradict each other. Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Two out of your three scum reads voted no, didn't they? Or am I wrong about your reads listed above? Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 04:37 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 03:40 sicklucker wrote:On November 09 2015 03:02 kitaman27 wrote:On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Two out of your three scum reads voted no, didn't they? Or am I wrong about your reads listed above? its the worst attempt i ever ever seen. Like you dont even know your top scum reads. reads? your wrong about like 4 people on that list. more like town shockey rels hts scum everyone else but especially you So everyone else would be some combination of myself/super/artanis/xat? On November 08 2015 01:47 sicklucker wrote:
i would vote yes for artanis/rayn/rels/super Yet you would pass this team? The reason I keep asking you about your reads is because you contradict yourself every other post. So did he miss all of these during his "re-evaluation"?
He very well could have not read properly if he was short on time. He owned up to the fact he was short on time. I remember that when he told me he was short on time.
Does that exclusively make him scum?
No.
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And Kita that last sentence was not meant as an insult or a passive aggressive comment, I did not intend that to come off that way. It's that I really enjoy playing games with you as town, and I'm bummed you probably aren't here.
At least you can't kill me again like you did in Personality though. That was evil, what you did to me. 
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On November 14 2015 07:13 Vivax wrote:
I really have a hard time here deciding if I should send SL on this mission.
I wrote up a post on trying to get (I forget who it was) someone to get out of their tunnel on sicklucker. Basically to try and understand why the things he does is not necessarily scum. I'll try and dig it out.
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I'm still at work and still on mobile, bear with me.
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sicklucker (if you review his filter) is grappling with Artanis being mafia because he had voted yes for a failed mission. I'm trying to see if he can get out of that tunnel and the way Rels flipped his read (fuck I forget the post reference) was just extremely suspect. That he should be able to see that those interactions make the latter worse than the former.
But no worries, he will never put Rels on a team, rest assured.
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Shockey for what I can tell is paranoid of rayn/Coag mainly because he was on two failed missions and he voted in two failed missions.
Shockey here's the thing. if you think mafia are trying to keep rayn in, then who are the scumteam?
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Also are you unsure of ANYONE who you have nominated if you downvoted?
Because I am sure you nominated a clean team. I realised you thought you made a mistake but that doesn't mean we cannot discuss whoever you put up here.
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One last thing.
Coagulation, whenever you get the chance, if you have a list post, it would be really helpful.
Potential scumteam(s) would be a bonus.
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Moment of truth. *crosses fingers*
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