|
On November 10 2015 05:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:52 Superbia wrote:Nvm about being scared on rayn. This fucking line just solidifies him as town: On November 03 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, i believe we have 1 mafia in ShoCkeyy, and the rest 2 in kitaman/Rels/Superbia/HtS. I don't even care that I'm in this list, this echoes my thoughts so much (mostly the second list- I would replace myself with sicklucker). I'm still not caught up fully but I just read this like 50 pages back. Why is rayn sending himself with 2 people he thought were mafia? Pardon any ignorance.
Obviously because no read can possibly change in 50 pages and 5 irl-days.
Also the fact that none of those people were on mission 1 that got failed has obviously nothing to do with my reads, how could it?
|
On November 10 2015 05:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2015 00:52 Superbia wrote:Nvm about being scared on rayn. This fucking line just solidifies him as town: On November 03 2015 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, i believe we have 1 mafia in ShoCkeyy, and the rest 2 in kitaman/Rels/Superbia/HtS. I don't even care that I'm in this list, this echoes my thoughts so much (mostly the second list- I would replace myself with sicklucker). I'm still not caught up fully but I just read this like 50 pages back. Why is rayn sending himself with 2 people he thought were mafia? Pardon any ignorance.
You're talking about the nomination where he did rayn/me/SL/shockey?
I saw that as NAI, his attitude this game has been "I don't give a fuck" when things aren't going his way.
The post in question
http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=103#2049
|
Dude, Vivax, i realize you just replaced into the game but could at least you refrain from posting dumbass shit before you have caught up? I don't care if it takes you 2 hours or 20 hours.
|
On November 10 2015 05:50 Rels wrote:
I don't see how he would become obvious town in 2 hours. Maybe I'll be amazed.
He did it in a lot less in Gaiden and way back in Carol. Different here though as he has replaced in. But still we'll see.
|
On November 10 2015 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dude, Vivax, i realize you just replaced into the game but could at least you refrain from posting dumbass shit before you have caught up? I don't care if it takes you 2 hours or 20 hours.
Straight up, you need to stop being a fucking idiot. I don't care if it takes you 2 hours or 20 hours, stop posting dumbass shit.
|
@everyone asking me why I voted yes, if you people would actually read instead of skim, then you would know. K thanks.
/wave Vivax
|
HTS's "arguments" have already been shown wrong and she just continues to push it, ignoring my posts. The recent arguments are even dumber than the previous ones. I can't really even bother anymore, she's not going on a mission anyway.....
(worth noting that the meta arguments are still lacking because there isn't anything of use there, instead some stupid stuff has been made up.....)
|
Is this the final team rayn? Could you replace kita/Rels with myself and perhaps Artanis?
It's just saddening that even though that would improve the chances of success, it would also decrease the chances of the team being approved :/
And then there's shockeyy/Rels/SL's teams coming up.......... I doubt shockeyy/Rels's teams would either get approved or succeed, and SL would just automatically make a failing team... Sigh.
|
On November 10 2015 06:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@everyone asking me why I voted yes, if you people would actually read instead of skim, then you would know. K thanks.
/wave Vivax
I am not sure how to say this nicely but when all 8 other players have no clue how you have ended up on the conclusions you have it's probably your problem instead of everyone else's.
So instead of calling me a fucking idiot you should probably try to play resistance.
If you don't know how to do that, well again... that's your problem.
|
On November 10 2015 03:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 02:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Kita could you please answer why you think SL's erratic posting is alignment indicative? I asked a question of you sometime back....ehh let me find it. His strategy is essentially to accept any team that includes himself and attack any player that attacks him. I feel this is alignment indicative because it's exactly how I played as spy in resistance 2. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote:
yo xataloser is a bad guy On November 03 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote:
yo xataloser is a bad guy Why? he failed my omgus test where I omgus people who put doubt on my not giving a fuck. I call it plan no give a fuck On November 03 2015 22:29 sicklucker wrote:
No but I figured scum would go out of there way to not let me get away with being a shitty player On November 03 2015 22:36 sicklucker wrote:
Note that xata is annoyed trying to convince me otherwise and backtracked later with reasons to townread me. He didnt bring this reason up when he complained to rayn On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
Like do you want me to summarize my filter for you. Ive given my plan. gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn then ill reread his shit. Taking it day by day. playing the long and underwhelming game On November 05 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote:
like if xata picks the team i want (he did kinda) that proves to me i can probably trust him He scum reads Xata, explains why, and states that he would reject any team with Xata unless SL is included. Whether or not your scum read brings you along on a mission set up for failure should not influence your read on that player. Xata + X + Y = Fail because Xata is scum Xata + X + SL = Pass because ???? He later explains that he "didnt think a scum xata would have the balls". He didn't have the balls to bring along a townie? As opposed to bring along some other random townie? Huh? Next, he calls super scum because super stated that the Xat/rayn/SL team would get rejected and that SL should have been replaced by Artanis. He explains that super wanted to reject the all town team, even though he didn't think Xat was mafia at the time. He then explains that the all town team in reference was rayn/SL/artanis. This doesn't make sense either because the post SL attacked super for stated that he wanted SL replaced by artanis. Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Next he uses this explanation to state that shockeyy and rels are town. Yet his scum reads include myself and super, also no voters. He is using the same argument to state that certain players are town, yet ignores his own argument in regards to others. He buddies the players that town read him and attack the players the scum read him. Right now the policy he is pushing is to fail every team until it is his turn to nominate himself.
Alright, I have some alternate thoughts on this. I thought a bit about this post when I was at work...
I see what you are getting at here, but I remember some of the things sicklucker said from his POV that would make what he said a little more plausible from his POV.
Hear me out.
Two points from this post
1 The "Xata wouldn't have the balls" comment actually DOES make sense - I'll explain how.
2 scum sicklucker would be playing too suboptimally, that is, giving too much information away if he was just knocking down nominations until his turn came up.
sicklucker, if I say anything off target here correct me, but this is what I remember.
First "the scum xata wouldn't have the balls" that comes from the fact that sicklucker thought xatalos would give himself away too easily with a team of two players that were more obviously read as town. rayn even said sicklucker was obvious town, and though other players were more doubtful on sicklucker (myself included) from his OWN perspective and especially where sicklucker had a more inflated view of himself as town, this would actually make sense.
If you think about it from sicklucker's perspective it would make sense for town sicklucker to think that a scum xatalos wouldn't have the "balls" to reject a mission and given himself away in a 3-man mission team where the other two were more solidly townread.
I had to read his filter numerous times to understand that, but he's French Canadian and admitted in Drams his English was shit-tier. Now obviously you can see the mission failed and given the way people were reading all three players you can tell we're all trying to struggle to figure out the one mafia in that bunch of 3.
He also said something else to the effect of "oh wait maybe I can trust xata if he put out a team I wanted or a team with him on it or what have you" - again I don't remember full context without opening a thousand tabs on my phone but that was another point in his favour.
The second point I see what you are saying just reading your post and I'd have to do a double take on that.
The other argument I think that could potentially be flawed is that the whole voting no thing until your turn is up is a very risky thing to do as scum.
In real resistance, he could afford to do this because scum win if the fifth team isn't approved. Even then town still have one more chance to get their team right (we only have one failed mission so far, not two). Scum sicklucker voting everything down and getting a team that would potentially fail or getting a team together that would purposely fail would a) give himself away and b) by association give his teammates away.
I don't know what your situation was or the rules were in resistance 2, but with this setup, town are not completely out on the fifth group to go for a vote because if that mission team is forced and if for whatever reason that mission fails, that's a lot of information scum sicklucker is giving away for the town to get the next mission right.
From a meta standpoint, (reference Void, Drams) scum sicklucker is concerned about giving away information on his teammates.
Maybe that's the strategy you used in one game, but his mindset here might not be as mafia motivated as you might see it. Your post is thought out and it is not unreasonable but the flaw here is that like it or not, sicklucker plays this game a hell of a lot different than you do.
|
On November 10 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:29 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
You lost me Artanis >.>
And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........ Mission 1 failed. It was explicitly stated there was one sabotage by the moderator. There HAS to be ( (at least, but most likely) one scum between you/rayn/SL. If you are town, and you know you are town, and especially on the back of a heavy townread on rayn, the bolded doesn't make any sense >_< I don't understand how it doesn't make any sense. He's saying he wouldn't drop the townread on rayn over SL. Do I misunderstand his sentence ? If he meant he would drop the townread on rayn over sicklucker then I completely misunderstood the sentence. In any case, the contention sicklucker, Artanis (to a different degree if you read his latest posts) and myself are raising is not the exact townread, not THAT he is or isn't townreading rayn or sicklucker. It's HOW that read came about and more specifically the reactions to the mention of sicklucker in the discussion. There was practically zero scepticism demonstrated AFTER the failure. If you look at the questions that people are throwing at Xatalos (particularly Artanis) you can see the cracks in his stances. I'd quote it atm, but I'm not at a pc. :/
I also literally explained this very same thing already. But you're not even reading my posts anymore so whatever.....
|
Thank God for Evernote. Longest post ever on mobile. Not doing that shit again.
|
On November 10 2015 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
I also literally explained this very same thing already. But you're not even reading my posts anymore so whatever.....
Isn't it annoying when someone does that? 
Also no, i am not gonna change anything in the team.
|
On November 10 2015 06:18 Xatalos wrote:
HTS's "arguments" have already been shown wrong and she just continues to push it, ignoring my posts. The recent arguments are even dumber than the previous ones. I can't really even bother anymore, she's not going on a mission anyway.....
(worth noting that the meta arguments are still lacking because there isn't anything of use there, instead some stupid stuff has been made up.....)
I'm not the only one seeing problems with your position. Try again.
Don't care whether or not I'm going on a mission, this game has been 5v3 for awhile now, but I can still see to it that you don't get on one yourself.
|
On November 10 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 06:32 Xatalos wrote:
I also literally explained this very same thing already. But you're not even reading my posts anymore so whatever..... Isn't it annoying when someone does that? Also no, i am not gonna change anything in the team.
Haha  Although when you encounter these blind tunnels, people usually at least try to engage with you or something. HTS just ignores my posts and repeats the same things, or invents even more ludicrous arguments.
You think this is the best team or did you just give up?
|
On November 10 2015 06:34 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 06:18 Xatalos wrote:
HTS's "arguments" have already been shown wrong and she just continues to push it, ignoring my posts. The recent arguments are even dumber than the previous ones. I can't really even bother anymore, she's not going on a mission anyway.....
(worth noting that the meta arguments are still lacking because there isn't anything of use there, instead some stupid stuff has been made up.....) I'm not the only one seeing problems with your position. Try again. Don't care whether or not I'm going on a mission, this game has been 5v3 for awhile now, but I can still see to it that you don't get on one yourself.
Has anyone responded favorably to your arguments? No.
SL just doubted me/rayn because well, he had to based on the game logic. Nothing to do with your posts.
If you wanted to be taken seriously, you could start by reading my like last 2 pages of filter.
|
I think rayn and shockey are both town. Xata and SL must not be on the mission. That's good so far, they both look craptastic. I'm not sure who of them more with my current knowledge. I just noticed SL posting that if I don't rat him out we can be friends, something an actual mafioso would probably say.
On November 10 2015 05:53 Rels wrote:
rayn though: please consider switching Superbia to shockey unless Vivax amazes everybody. He's the only NO voter I'm doubtful about.
Rels looks good too just for saying this cause knowing I'm town and thinking Shockey is too, I just see no point for a spy to tell rayn to swap out a town for another town (unless speculative wifom planting which is something I don't see here).
I'm vigilant about kita as he's one of the people I can get really paranoid about. I have a history of reading him correctly too so until I get to do that and given that his first posts in the game didn't really scream town to me, I'd prefer to not have him on a mission for now.
I'd be fine with rayn/me/shockey/Rels
|
On November 10 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 06:13 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@everyone asking me why I voted yes, if you people would actually read instead of skim, then you would know. K thanks.
/wave Vivax I am not sure how to say this nicely but when all 8 other players have no clue how you have ended up on the conclusions you have it's probably your problem instead of everyone else's. So instead of calling me a fucking idiot you should probably try to play resistance. If you don't know how to do that, well again... that's your problem.
I have played resistance and I think I'm playing perfectly fine.
Your problem is you try to think for all 7 other players and try to force your non-sense, but when people refuse, "you're a dumbass". This is why people think you're mafia. At least I have a few town reads and know they're correct. I would read you as town if you didn't play like an asshole, I would also read you as town if you and Xata would stop riding each others asses. But obviously both of those issues are heavily scum related.
|
Well you then obviously don't know what makes people scum.
|
Also noone is really reading me scum except for you.
sicklucker is scum anyways so he doesn't count.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
