EPTLet me go read his case on you.
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raynpelikoneet
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Rels
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On November 10 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote: The bolded is not necessarily conclusive. If scum know one of their teammates (and it doesn't matter who - all three people on the failed mission voted themselves on) was on the mission, it's easy to dissociate from that because they'd know it'd fail and it's not hard to see how others are reading people. I think I explained that to you before. It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no. As for the sentence "not making sense" I already answered that in the first paragraph. If I understood it correctly however that he would drop the townread on (over???) SL then it is impossible for him to townread BOTH rayn and sicklucker. I presented the alternative in my first paragraph if I misunderstood. I thought about this and I don't agree. It makes a lot of sense to bus in this setup if two scums can be on two sides of townies. But you and Arta already has very little chance to be accepted in a team, and rayn has more chance to be accepted than Xata; in this position, there is no scum motivation for scum!HTS or scum!Arta to attack scum!Xata, when you three are already outsiders. I think rayn made this exact point like three days ago. I didn't agree at the time, but now I know what he meant by "scums will not necessarily bus". I don't understand what you don't understand. He's saying he townread both rayn and SL before the vote; and he dropped the SL townread after the team failure. He didn't drop the rayn townread. I understand the "Xata is too sure of rayn" argument; but I'm not seeying the "it doesn't make sense" part. | ||
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Rels
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On November 10 2015 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Rels, i have absolutely no idea why Artanis scumreads you, so you have a point. Feeling better about letting him out of your team ? (= | ||
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Vivax
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On November 10 2015 16:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I like Vivax so far since he seems to be accusing people left and right, which he likes to do as town. Why do you say this? I posted more townreads than suspects. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 10 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote: It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no. Aside from anything else, do you think town!HtS says this when she thinks Xatalos is more likely to be mafia than sicklucker is? | ||
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Rels
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On November 10 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels one easy question: Aside from anything else, do you think town!HtS says this when she thinks Xatalos is more likely to be mafia than sicklucker is? I think it's stupid, especially since she seems to think Arta is scum at this point I think. She townreads me, kita, shockey, and has suspicions but maybe town on Superbia, I don't know why she's saying that. | ||
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Vivax
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On November 10 2015 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is absolutely no way HtS is town in this game. I think that your Shockey scumread is either tinfoil or just out of spite. This is your scenario: He voted yes on a team two other spies voted no, and no on a team the 2 other spies most likely upvoted. All your HTS is mafia with Shockey scenario has somewhat of a footing with team 1 but loses it entirely at team 2 when he voted no against HTS who you claim is scum with him. Everyone who voted no on team 2 is rightly included in your team except Shockey, and yourself who voted yes. I have to admit I can also see why people would scumread him since I saw how he said kita had a lot more reads than Xata when kita was just listing Xata's reads, but that's a mistake that can happen to both alignments, esp. if he has little time to play. | ||
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Rels
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 10 2015 19:37 Rels wrote: I think it's stupid, especially since she seems to think Arta is scum at this point I think. She townreads me, kita, shockey, and has suspicions but maybe town on Superbia, I don't know why she's saying that. Yeah. Like the way HtS approaches the game when the amount of information RAISES, she goes backwards. - She has quite clear reads and is townread for them. - When mission 1 fails, she suddenly suspects everyone in mission 1. - She makes up bullshit reasons to call me scum. - When she cannot call me scum anymore, she makes up bullshit reasons to call Xatalos scum yes the reasons are literally bullshit - Then she starts entertaining the scenario where 2 scum downvoted the team (which only makes sense if sicklucker is scum) - But she thinks Xatalos is scum..... Like when new information comes up, townies go forward and use that information to judge the game better. Both HtS and sicklucker do the opposite, when new information comes up, suddenly noone is trustworthy anymore. Like sure, you can always argue everything is possible, like i could argue it's possible that James made a mistake and there was actually no sabotage on mission 1.... Exaggerated example but you get the gist, right? In addition to what i said about her earlier, her considering Xatalos mafia and then entertaining a scenario where 2 mafia voted nay is just straight out unbelieveable if she is town. There is never going to be a scenario (99%) where either me or Xatalos is mafia and two other scum voted nay. Period. Given that she is "experienced" in Resistance, she is definitely scum. Nobody does that as town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 10 2015 19:37 Vivax wrote: I think that your Shockey scumread is either tinfoil or just out of spite. This is your scenario: He voted yes on a team two other spies voted no, and no on a team the 2 other spies most likely upvoted. All your HTS is mafia with Shockey scenario has somewhat of a footing with team 1 but loses it entirely at team 2 when he voted no against HTS who you claim is scum with him. Everyone who voted no on team 2 is rightly included in your team except Shockey, and yourself who voted yes. I have to admit I can also see why people would scumread him since I saw how he said kita had a lot more reads than Xata when kita was just listing Xata's reads, but that's a mistake that can happen to both alignments, esp. if he has little time to play. My read on Shockeyy is based on the following: - He has no definite reads (besides me/Xatalos -- and those reads he doesn't explain) - Nobody can actually think the reasons he gives for those reads actually make people scum - He leaves himself outs left and right by not giving definite reads - His voting behavior does not line up with what he says about how he is going to vote / judge the game - Also see kitaman's case, which already proves he does similar kinda stuff as scum Like, if you are town, you do not lie. I think Shockeyy is not a very experienced player (no offence), so hi saying "dumb" stuff does not make him town. Him "looking too scummy to be scum" does not make him town (see for example Barakos in that one game). I understand saying bad stuff does not make him mafia either, what does make him mafia is that the stuff he says does not line up with the stuff he does!!! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I have posted it days ago. Why does he not do that? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 09 2015 07:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: No but what is scum indicative is the fact that Xata was A) on the first mission, B) still town reads Rayn after said first mission. Isn't that the same kind of stubbornness that Rayn shows? In all honesty, I can find SL to be town, but there is definitely a mafia between rayn and xata, or theyre both mafia. Now for this next mission coming up, I really don't like the fact that Kita has a ton of mafia leans still while never giving his reads fully. Makes me question him at this point, but then there is Artanis too. On November 09 2015 07:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: I seriously would rather vote no to save us another mission failed if there is a mafia in that team. I feel like that would also give us a chance to see who rayn wants to nominate. Another thing, rayn has seemed to disappear for today. On November 09 2015 07:22 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty, this is my town reads right now. Rels, SL, HtS and Myself... Straight up had to switch it. On November 09 2015 07:59 Fidei86 wrote: Day 2 Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination (Artanis[Xp], Rels, Kitaman27, Superbia) Vote Result ShoCkeyy - YES On November 10 2015 06:13 ShoCkeyy wrote: @everyone asking me why I voted yes, if you people would actually read instead of skim, then you would know. K thanks. /wave Vivax No, we would not know. scummy scum. | ||
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Xatalos
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On November 10 2015 08:20 sicklucker wrote: holy shit i might vote yes just to see if the scum team is like xata art +1 On November 10 2015 08:08 Half the Sky wrote: So looks like we need to see more from Vivax and then will need to tinfoil Kita, but at the moment (operative words being at the moment) I would upvote this team. Kita, any followup, shout (#2183). I warn you as I did Rels, work is going to bury me tomorrow (0800-2200 again FML), but I'll do my best. Good night. I was considering voting YES (since the next leaders wouldn't most likely suggest anything better than this), but these endorsements really give me the creeps....... Both SL/HTS being excited about the team..... Geh :/ Kind of feels like there could be scum included after all. Thoughts, rayn? | ||
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