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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:24 GMT

#1436

We need to go back through rayn/Xatalos and look at their gameplay from a potential mafia lens. And then do likeliness/percentage play analysis. That's the way to go.

Kita had some case on Xata, although Rels metaed him by activity and the activity supported him being town. I'd follow up the depth of Xata's reads - the more shallow, the more likely mafia.

And then rayn, looking at his play from a mafia lens...I know he was going at it with Rels and going at it with I think Kita?

Time for filter diving.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:25 GMT

#1437

On November 07 2015 08:23 kitaman27 wrote:
One idea that I'm toying with is a Xata + Artanis team.

It made much more sense for a town Xata to nominate Artanis from his position I would think. Him not doing so may suggest that he didn't want a double spy team day one. Need to evaluate if his reasoning to nominate SL over Artanis makes sense.

I remember this - this I didn't like. But rayn kept saying no no the scummers (his reference I presume to Rels/Superbia/me) didn't want SL and wanted Artanis instead. it was rayn who really pushed SL at the end.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:28 GMT

#1442

On November 07 2015 08:26 Superbia wrote:

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Actually leaning on TMI in my mind atm, but I'll re-eval your filter somewhere tomorrow.

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seriously though Shockey I broke down the numbers....you're not off the hook given what I said about the breakdown of spies.

whom were you scumreading? rayn/xata right? hmmmmm.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:29 GMT

#1444

On November 07 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You do realize one of the spies could've voted pass, right?

Read the operative post - Fidei explicitly says there was one sabotage - or do you mean there were two people on the mission and one passed and one failed?

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:30 GMT

#1445

EBWOP - two spies on the mission.

Yeah I need to stop playing this game at late hours when I'm dead.....oh well :/

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:31 GMT

#1446

Alright Artanis if you think that's the case, they cannot communicate through a mafia QT, how would they know whether to pass or fail when there's a partner on the mission? I'm just saying from a likeliness standpoint.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:33 GMT

#1448

I'm so bad at this game.

Forget it, I'm just going to filter dive rayn/xata...

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:35 GMT

#1451

Incidentally tripping over it as I'm reading through rayn's filter. Figures.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:37 GMT

#1454

Alright, going into tinfoil rayn land - the first thing that jumps out at me was the "alternate strategy" of getting multiple scum on the team as opposed to the conventional strategy of trying to get the first mission to pass. I forget who accused rayn of mafia motivation but this was one potential point to raise against him.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:43 GMT

#1457

Second point is the conflicting read on Superbia where he was nitpicking Xatalos over scum being at a disadvantage (paraphrasing) whereas Kita took the opposite position on this. Saying that Superbia was stretching it.

Does it make sense for a town rayn to read Superbia that way? That's probably the first question to think hard on.

We all know that when rayn is town, he's nitpicky over semantics. As mafia....I honestly don't remember. I know the rage level is the same, the last mafia game I recall (TL LXX before he replaced out) I don't recall a lot of nitpicking but I might need to refresh my memory, that game was in March. Ugh.

Does anyone else recall any notable rayn scum games where he was close to replicate town play?

First wave of reads:

On November 02 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i am gonna stop this conversation now as it's waste of time.

I think both of Superbia and Xatalos are town. I don't see any reason to think otherwise.
Artanis and sicklucker said nothing alignemnt indicative.
Rels and kitaman are suspicious. Rels because he is refusing to read people. kitaman because he is talking about setup which is a big no-no in this game unless you are scum and want to give advice to your teammates, like "this is something i would not recommend to do". And that's all he said, except for;

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So; "I think people who claim town are more likely to be scum, but i don't really know if that's true"
hmmm... what?!?!

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Germany9029 Posts

November 06 2015 23:44 GMT

#1458

IDK Shockey try playing the game when you're dead tired on a Friday late night after work and stuff, my bet is you probably won't be thinking terribly clearly either. Last three days this is the only time I can play...

Onwards...

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 11:41 GMT

#1550

On November 07 2015 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why do people talk about stuff that never happened? Especially HtS.

I don't say things for the hell of it, rayn. Operative quotes.

On November 05 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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All the scum ppl dont want sl so he is a good pick.

On November 05 2015 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fuck you are so town sl.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 11:43 GMT

#1552

I'm also of the mentality this game is almost lost especially if Shockey is somehow town. My getting disregarded for missions means town are starting 5v3 (instead of 6v3) so that's where that is coming from. If he actually is town then it's 4v3. Even with my assumption that we have a scum Shockey is correct, considering the first mission failure and general (not total) reluctance to include any of the people from the first mission, mathematically we're almost done, though discouraged at the moment I'm not going to give up yet.

I was in the middle of reading rayn's filter when I collapsed in bed. As for the points I raised on rayn, I am NOT scumreading rayn, but when the first mission fails I want to make sure that we don't blindly go with a xata/rayn team and then fail mission 2. rayn, I know from history you never take well to being scumread, but that's really all that was trying to achieve. Kita is saying my first two points don't make rayn mafia - that's fine - but I'd rather have some discussion on that then blindly stumbling into the next team.

People seem to be scumreading me either because they are not clear on how I am playing this game, or in the case of Rels if he is somehow town, not familiar with how Resistance works.

Kita or whoever asked me about why I voted SL - I was 60/40 on him, and I certainly would have voted him over say Rels.

Alright, lemme just plod along here and see what I can do.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 11:46 GMT

#1554

On November 07 2015 08:55 kitaman27 wrote:
HTS could you go over why you had a town read on SL again? What do you think about SL's reads on Xata and Superbia?

Also, if you prefered Xata/rayn/artanis over Xata/rayn/SL why not simply reject the nomination? You knew Aratanis was the next mission leader, right?

Eh, hold on I forgot this part, that was the part I didn't have time to attend to last night, even though I thought SL satisfactory answered my own question.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 11:48 GMT

#1555

On November 07 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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You somehow just completely forgot about these posts right?

Last two days I had a grand total of 1 hour (maybe a little extra) to play this game - it's very likely I didn't even get a chance to read/refresh these posts.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 11:50 GMT

#1556

Honestly I need to go through Xatalos anyways and what Kita said regarding SL is probably indicative, although SL is difficult for me to follow as either alignment unless I ask him 20 questions so meh...

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 12:03 GMT

#1559

Kita - at the moment, I think sicklucker upvoting the team (based on his read on Xatalos) looks to be suboptimal rather than spy play, but I'll take another look at your post.

On November 05 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote:
like if xata picks the team i want (he did kinda) that proves to me i can probably trust him

On November 05 2015 09:45 sicklucker wrote:

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IF XATA puts up 3 towns and the mission passes without putting up himself. this like 100% proves hes town and thats why I suggested he do it. kinda annoyed he didnt do it but other things suggest hes town so ill go with it.

Xata town read all 3 of us so I was very curious if he would do it. its kind of suspect he didnt tbh but im town reading him on other things

On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me so its hard to be mad at xata for it

On November 07 2015 11:09 sicklucker wrote:
and xata if you are the town here oyu realize when you say you want you and rayn on the next mission I have to suspect you. because from my pov I 100% know that mission wil fail. Like your willing to put rayn in the next mission even tho hes scum 50% of the time mathematically.

Like if your town your so stupid I dont want either of you on the next mission and theres no way you should.

Thats why xata is the scum here. HE WANTS RAYN ON THE MISSION

from xatas pov one of me or rayn is mafia. so rayn is mafia 50% of the time. and he wants rayn on the mission...

Like no one can have that good of a town read

The progression makes sense at least for the Xata read - need to review the Superbia read.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 12:04 GMT

#1560

On November 07 2015 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i literally can't understand the logic behind:
Before the mission result: "I think the team is all town but if it fails sicklucker is probably scum"
After the mission result: "Well NOW THAT THE MISSION FAILED time to re-evaluate all the three people"

It doesn't make any sense.

For the amount of games you've played on TL, it still surprises me you're completely oblivious to the fact that townies do illogical/suboptimal things from time to time.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 12:09 GMT

#1563

On November 07 2015 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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So your explanation for doing illogical things is that "townies do illogical things"?

Not all the time, but I'm saying it happens, and looking at my filter it should be pretty damn obvious context-wise as to why I'm playing suboptimally. If you want to dismiss that, that's on you. Honestly if this were a lynch game, my getting lynched would tell you something just as what happened when the first two people in Drams got mislynched and you nearly went off the deep end - to use an example coolTLname being very new to our way of doing mafia.

Context, which you habitually disregard - no it doesn't make you mafia but this is just something that is characteristic of your gameplay in general.

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Germany9029 Posts

November 07 2015 12:10 GMT

#1564

Not everyone sees (or is able to see) things the way you always do, that's really the point of that. Anyways, onward.

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