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Vivax
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On October 30 2015 07:09 Blazinghand wrote: Again, it doesn't necessarily make GB town, but we need to lynch H1 anyways and we might as well go for him first. It just means there's a way that the voting allows GB to be town, does that make sense? No you just said GB claimed scum. | ||
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In a townie way. Or maybe I'm falling for his angry puppy eyes. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:17 ritoky wrote: they make you swoon in all the right places don't they? No it makes me imagine Bambi wielding a machete | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:22 GlowingBear wrote: It's so frustrating when you've caught obvious scum and people can't use their brains... I'll consult the tinfoil on gumshoe these days. But given the reads from NKd dudes it's really unlikely. | ||
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On October 30 2015 07:24 gumshoe wrote: I mean, I could write up a whole case, but dis should be enough. Basically hands in the cookie jar / : Cause I pursue the lynch I've wanted since D1? The guy rayn and marv were scumreading? Who brags about "catching" the only guy he could ever manage to lynch in his position? kiddo indeed | ||
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On October 30 2015 08:16 Blazinghand wrote: Yeah it will be super worthwhile to go through 1gu's filter and see what he said (especially for speculation bout nks) and what people said about him, too I reccommend his d1 list post, most reads there seem rather accurate, so he might have gone for early bussing | ||
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Vivax
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I was assuming his posting style made him town all game long but given that 2 mafia are planning the endgame now and he has started to doing all sorts of shady shit, I'm reevaluating. Take a look at this post, it's from D1. When you look at the votecounts in question you will notice that nobody ever had a chance to kill Onegu cause marv and rayn were both on the slam wagon with huge support from others. Point I'm making is that this read is weird given the information we have now, and suggests gumshoe had knowledge of how to read people around Onegu's alignment. Another example: When he went all nuts and Chrom-defender after I told Chrom that if he wanted Onegu's reads he could simply look them up. On October 24 2015 11:15 gumshoe wrote: Ritoky's switch onto Onegu last second makes very little sense as scum, if Onegu is town and gets bussed last sec, Ritoky looks terrible. If Onegue is scum, he just helped kill his teamate 0_0 seems like a dumb and unnecessary risk when town is already fixated on slam. It's possible Ritoky was super confident Bh's lynch wouldn't go through, but then why bother at all? Just to distance himself from the slam lynch? Could backfire huge if Onegu actually did get lynched (would look like a last second buss off of Ritoky's buddy slam) As you will soon see, neither was ritoky's switch "last second" (it happened 12 min prior lynch), nor does it make sense for gumshoe to make the assumption that ritoky is town cause if Onegu was town ritoky would look terrible. And I think this is a nail in the coffin type of argument already, cause now I'm explaining it like you're 12. First of all, he's exaggerating the weight of what ritoky really did: Last second switch, killig Onegu when the majority was on Slam all the time and didn't have any intention to switch. Second, he's making this argument in which he spews Onegu's alignment (and ritoky's with the entire post). Second, he's using this logic: "Since ritoky would look terrible if Onegu flipped town, he is town". at a time where he couldn't possibly be certain on Onegu's alignment, and also wasn't in his scumreads posts. He literally assumed 100 % that Onegu was mafia when making this post. Here the relevant votes, for display: + Show Spoiler + On October 24 2015 05:30 Rels wrote: Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (9): raynpelikoneet (4): Vivax (0): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Onegu (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): Looks like it's time to sack Alakaslam for being a traitor! Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). The quality control list is here. The automated list counter is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. On October 24 2015 05:45 Blazinghand wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:47 Xatalos wrote: ##Vote Onegu On October 24 2015 05:48 ritoky wrote: ##unvote ##vote Onegu On October 24 2015 06:03 Rels wrote: Final Day 1 Vote Count Alakaslam (8): raynpelikoneet (3): Onegu (2): ritoky (0): GlowingBear (0): Chromatically (0): Vivax (0): Hopeless1der (0): marvellosity (0): Xatalos (0): We have discovered Alakaslam to be a chocolate saboteur! | ||
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Vivax
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On October 30 2015 09:28 gumshoe wrote: I did say please first : P unnecessary hostility aside, I would totes lynch vivax before him. Ahhh that's the plan. Tough luck cause we'll just scrap the puppy eyes, sheep marv and rayn post death, and lynch a guy who only started posting 1h before deadline probably bussing his entire team. And then you can try to win solo. | ||
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That means gummy and some other dude are mafia. | ||
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On October 30 2015 19:25 ritoky wrote: i just stopped by cuz kid in middle of night. didn't really read much of what you posted there vivax cuz i don't trust my reading comprehension atm. generally speaking you have made your way to the middle/lower end of my PoE because 1) your game investment and investment in the last lynch feels like it has gone down over time 2) you didn't lynch mafia 3) your tinfoil/crackpot theories have felt contained/not committed to. a lot of that is my perception of you over the course of the game, but something about perception, reality, and their relationship. I tinfoil when I feel it's necessary, sometimes only late in the game, you should know that from Guardians of the Galaxy when I only scumread universally townread Toad the night I got killed. My game investment is as high as it can be when my mafia meta is to have large posting gaps during a day. I feel I have been posting very consistently during the day. And if you base your game around who lynches mafia and who doesn't without looking at it in detail you don't know how this game works. And I also feel you should know your place when marv, rayn and yamato all TR me throughout their lives, people I've been playing with for several years. Cause not only are they confirmed town, they're also not as new around here as you are and I figure that their reads are worth more than yours. This is probably going to kinda piss you off but it's how it is. I keep reading their filters as well. | ||
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On October 30 2015 22:24 Xatalos wrote: Tbh it's a bit hard to see Vivax playing so actively as scum, but it would explain well all the scumsiding (especially the recent Onegu saving attempt and now pushing gumshoe...). What scumsidimg exactly? I was at best scumsiding if gb is town and even then im not the only dude who was votinng gb. im on phone so ill be more extensive later. i think that if im right on gumshoe ill find more exples of tmi. | ||
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given how accurate onegu was with his trs on d1 he was probably scumreading 1-2 buds. | ||
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You will have to agree with me that pushing a guy I wanted lynch on D1 already doesn't exactly fit the mafia profile. It can but it doesn't have to. So it's no argument. | ||
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Or we'd be stupid for not both being on the bus Don't get me even started on the GB and me scenario cause that's just super idiotic. On October 30 2015 22:21 Chromatically wrote: I don't see what's wrong with his logic? I don't see how he assumed that Onegu was mafia during his post. He says if Onegu is mafia, then ritoky can't be mafia, and if Onegu is town, then ritoky can't be mafia either, therefore ritoky is town. Maybe he's exaggerating/giving too much weight to the argument, but I don't see how it's scummy. He's reading way too much into that to be townie. And the focus on Onegu. If he was stuck on voting Slam like he was without partaking in shenannies like ritoky, then why is it one of his first thoughts to analyse ritoky's alignment BASED on Onegu's alignment? The point is that as mafia you have a different type of attention to things. Like Onegu slipping that Slam was town when he said "the best marv has is a lynch on Slam" and then ends up TRing marv. Both flipped townies (you gotta work with that not with the conspiracies around my alignment depending on GB's). I think that in that post gumshoe said something mafia would say, since he resorted to analysing the action of a guy I'm assuming to be town (ritoky) using a now flipped mafia as the person that made a difference in reading ritoky. And that happened when in the posts previous to those posts, he wasn't pushing for an Onegu lynch, he was pushing for hopeless and yamato. If you go back a little more you find what he was actually saying about 1gu: + Show Spoiler + id get behind an onegu lynch to spare slam and rayn, also in these posts he calls hopeless and ritoky scum for super vauge reasons. Found this kinda townie when I saw it? more to do with my fantasy mafia team than anything else but the reads were so weak they might not actually count against it. Oh and the nice post above says this: + Show Spoiler + I have considered onegu scummy all game based off his lacklustre play. Never once have I town read him | ||
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Why so mad gumshoe? | ||
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His case is already pretty good in itself now that I am open to the idea of gum being mafia. I'll just sheep GB's case and keep being convinced that gum read ritoky as town ONLY cause he shenannied onto gum's partner. Yes. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:07 gumshoe wrote: Cause I hate it when I get it mislynched because townies dont understand the way I think and cant actually think themselves T_T My ratio of getting mislynched day 1 or 2 to total games played is pretty up there, so this is triggering some pretty heavy nam flashbacks That and I detest retarded logic, especially when its directed at me. Oh and yeah, what do you think of chrom? Stop dodging me dodgevax : P There's no townies pushing you as mafia in your world (only me and GB, your scumreads rite?) so this sounds pretty odd. And I'd answer about Chrom if I got to it, he's still the guy I suspect to be the most capable mafia in here. I'm undecided  , 2 paranoid. | ||
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On October 31 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote: Well assuming GB is scum and you're town, you're pretty heavily scumsiding by pushing gumshoe recently... "assuming" | ||
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