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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 06 2015 13:04 GMT
#37
I'll /in (if the game doesn't start until next Monday)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:24 GMT
#129
Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafia

I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.

On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1


This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT).

Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:26 GMT
#131
On October 13 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote:
##vote MoosyDoosy

Isn't doing shit. Just sitting here idle. Mafia or anti town but for sure afraid to die.


Meh... Why are you saying this as your reason when you just said yourself that you're afraid to die?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:33 GMT
#135
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:37 GMT
#136
Hm... Not very sure about those people you mentioned. CopCake is Little Lamb from VS, I think? She was extremely convincing as Mafia last time around.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:39 GMT
#137
How are you supposed to read Slam again >.> I get the feeling he's town, but I can't remember if I've even ever played with scumSlam.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:41 GMT
#138
Sylencia... is a bit worrying. I don't really like the style of merely offering weak side-commentary to the game so far. That's like one of the classic Mafia signs.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:46 GMT
#141
Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js

I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia

Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town...

How did you come to that townread list btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:51 GMT
#143
Well I agree it's pretty random and there's not much snowballing in the setup. In a sense, the anti-towns should focus on killing each other unless town is playing perfectly.

Hm. I guess I can understand your point of view. It's a little bit too elaborate to be a fake frustration?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:54 GMT
#145
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 10:55 GMT
#146
Could you explain your vote btw? lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:06 GMT
#152
On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.

Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.

Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.

I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right.


I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:08 GMT
#153
Well, it's still mainly a gut feeling from the way he responded "humorously". I've done that before as town many times when I'm accused early on.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:09 GMT
#154
##Vote: Sylencia
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:10 GMT
#156
On October 13 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
I clicked myself and deleted myself.


Haha, looks like you added yourself back in
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:12 GMT
#158
On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia


Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:17 GMT
#163
Huh... Can't seem to delete/add players in the votecount tool right now. Dunno why if Superbia just did so.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:23 GMT
#170
On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.

Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.

Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.

I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right.


I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode.

Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation.
You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do.

Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia.
QED


Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing.

Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb.


I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started.

What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:26 GMT
#173
On October 13 2015 20:21 Superbia wrote:
Xatalos, who would you want to kill right now? (besides me for hacking your voting tool, apparently :D)


Sylencia I guess, like I explained earlier. Many haven't even posted yet though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:27 GMT
#174
On October 13 2015 20:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:23 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:17 Koshi wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:06 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:00 Koshi wrote:
Seriously Xatalos. The explanation is standing in the damn vote. Moosy did completely nothing. He could be town doing completely nothing. Or he could be mafia doing completely nothing.

Town sometimes adds some silly plan in their first post, or try to do something. Mafia doesn't have do to shit so sometimes they forget they actually need to pretend to be town in the start.

Moosy didn't do shit. Hence. He could be mafia. Still didn't do shit when I poked him to do shit. Passive as fuck. Defensive. ezgame.

I am reading this forum on TL Dota so I have no filters. But I am probably 100% right.


I got the opposite picture? He didn't really do anything, but he seemed pretty relaxed despite your attack (not defensive / worried). And I think Mafia very rarely just "forget they need to pretend to look town". Rather, it's much more likely that Mafia do something at least resembling an okayish starter while townies often just explode.

Everything you wrote here has nothing to do with the current situation.
You even fucking contradict your read on Moosy and your expectation what a townie would do.

Sure. Some mafia make an OK starting post. Those are the mafia that understand that to look townie you need to start doing some minor shit. The shit mafia or trash 3p don't do that. Moosy didn't do that HENCE he is mafia.
QED


Looking "Not worried" and "not defensive" is not alignment indicative at all. I gave him a reason to do something. Instead he continued to do nothing. Like literally nothing.

Could Moosy be town that decided to do literally nothing? Sure. He could be. Do I care? No. Was he my best bet on mafia? Yes. Is he still my best bet of mafia? Maybe, depends if this Xatalos guy decides to play dumb.


I don't think that "doing something" or "playing according to someone else's wishes" is what makes someone townie, especially in the first page of the game or so. What could he have been "doing" exactly? The game had just started.

What really matters is the consistency and motivation of someone's posts. Let's see... As scum, he would have plenty of motivation to appease someone that just started accusing him, or misdirect the attention away, or something. He would likely show some sort of inconsistency when the situation suddenly changes. Instead, he continued doing whatever meaningless he was doing. He wasn't panicked about the situation, and his attitude was consistent. That's why I got the gut feeling he was town.

WE WERE 5 MINUTES IN THE GAME. YOU W0T M8??????????????????????????


I repeat the question: what do you think he should have been "doing" at that time? You constantly insult "tryhards", but when someone doesn't tryhard in the first minutes of the game, he's 100% scum. That's the kind of inconsistency in attitude I don't like :/
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:30 GMT
#177
I don't really get what your last post means.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:31 GMT
#180
On October 13 2015 20:31 Koshi wrote:
It's ok Xatalos. I am just on a different level than you.


On a lower level though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:33 GMT
#182
On October 13 2015 20:32 Tictock wrote:
Almost for got about this

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote:
Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js

I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia

Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town...

How did you come to that townread list btw?


Purely based on openings and what I think.


That's not a very elaborate reasoning :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:35 GMT
#186
At some point in time I think Koshi was a very calm and analytical player. Dunno what happened since then, but something must have broken him lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:37 GMT
#190
On October 13 2015 20:35 Koshi wrote:
For people who don't understand my vote.

Moosy has a 30% chance to be scum after the first page.

That I don't believe Moosy to be 100% scum after 5 posts should not be a fucking surprise to you. That it is a very ambitious vote should be obvious.

If you go "That vote looked really flimpsy" I don't believe this guy actually had Moosy pinned as scum, I should vote this guy instead because he is probably mafia" then you are bad.



Koshi out for


Wait... Didn't you specifically say he was 100% scum multiple times
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:38 GMT
#192
I guess you meant after his response... *shrug*
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:39 GMT
#194
On October 13 2015 20:35 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 20:33 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:32 Tictock wrote:
Almost for got about this

On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote:
Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js

I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia

Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town...

How did you come to that townread list btw?


Purely based on openings and what I think.


That's not a very elaborate reasoning :D


What part of this post

Show nested quote +
On October 13 2015 19:33 Tictock wrote:
also I have weak shit town reads on

GB
Copcake
onegu


Made you think I had such reasoning?


Well I expected a bit more than "I had those reads based on what I think" but it's not like it matters that much
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:41 GMT
#198
On October 13 2015 20:39 GlowingBear wrote:
Xata what do you think of Cake?


I'll reserve my judgment until later since last time I played with her she was like the towniest player in the game (tone/attitude-wise) but was scum after all :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 11:42 GMT
#200
w00t
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 12:24 GMT
#208
Well Rels is probably town for the sheer effort/focus he immediately brought to the game >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 12:28 GMT
#210
Hm. Truthfully, I'd also like to hear her reasons for those reads for now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 12:36 GMT
#212
I can see that logic... But are you sure he often makes good posts, or sees it that way himself?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:03 GMT
#223
Hmmm.... Ok. What did you think about Sylencia's first posts btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:04 GMT
#224
Yeah I also got bit of a townie image from Koshi after he pushed the issue so much. If it was just filler, it'd be hard to come up with so much stuff about it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:16 GMT
#230
Superbia.... Not sure. He said that he'd post his theories later on, but on second thoughts, maybe he should do that sooner rather than later. At least before D1 deadline... Well, it'd be fine if he did something else either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 13:22 GMT
#232
Could you maybe link some of TicTock's openers as town/scum or something? It's hard to say about his meta for me. I'll grant you that your posts dropped my read on him from very slight town to possibly anti-town.

As for Sylencia, he hasn't really done much of anything yet, but what caught my attention was that he just occasionally appeared into the thread to make some "harmless" questions etc. and immediately disappeared, then reappeared to ask something else later. I got the feeling then that he wasn't really trying to contribute, but rather to just appear as if he was doing something in the game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 14:19 GMT
#240
Am I the other tryhard? lol

Okay, it is more compelling than Sylencia. Let's see where this goes.

##Unvote
##Vote TicTock


(btw you don't necessarily need to unvote for your vote to count, if you make a new vote every previous vote of yours is automatically removed - it's just that it might take a moment to update since there's a 3 minute interval it scans the thread)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 14:25 GMT
#242
Well do you have something to add after those breaks of yours? Did your earlier posts lead somewhere?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 14:26 GMT
#244
Or overall what's your take on the recent events / main reads?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 18:22 GMT
#286
On October 14 2015 01:37 Tictock wrote:
Rels also skipped over something I was sure he would call out.

I should double check that everyone has posted when I get home, I might be on to something.


What did he skip and why is him focusing on meta worrying? Tbh I think he may be a bit tunneled, but he hasn't really said anything unreasonable about you.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 13 2015 18:22 GMT
#287
On October 14 2015 02:13 Koshi wrote:
No seriously.

He can get behind the wagon on TT except for the fact that there are already 2 people on the wagon, who actually most likely believed the same thing GB believed but didn't have the hesitance of somebody already being on the wagon.

Then GB proceeds to call these 2 people suspicious.

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Lol :D
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:28 GMT
#303
On October 14 2015 04:57 Tictock wrote:
So this caught my eye when I first read it. I held off commenting right away kus I know Rels often does opening post analysis, and wanted to see if he'd catch it too.

Basically the idea is that scum are unsure how to open and will often spend extra time on their first posts and talk about multiple subjects.

Xat's open practically screamed that to me.

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On October 13 2015 19:24 Xatalos wrote:
Btw if you want to see the up-to-date votecount then it's here at all times: https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#495390-crossfire-mafia

I truly hope the VT claims are from anti-town parties / blues since otherwise it's just, frankly, playing against your win condition. It'd be preferable if nobody claimed roles D1 or even after that without good reason.

On October 13 2015 08:15 Koshi wrote:
Town.

Going to go with a plynch all liars through the entire game. Will totally ruin the game because town are lying bitches. But I will do it.

If nobody lies I will use spidersenses.

4 antitown. Way too much anti town kp. First days are a joke.

If there are 9 townies who need to lynch 4 anti townies while these antitownies got 4 kp and are immune to the other antitownies their kp the game is a total joke.

There are also way to many blue roles. Blue roles with completely random effects based on the skill of the player.


So tbh. If I try and lynch anti town D1 I will just get rewarded with a bullet and anti town will start shooting town faster than we can lynch anti town. Doesn't make any fucking sense.



tldr 1: Koshi is going to do absolutely nothing the first days because the game looks like a joke. He might say some random shit about random people. He will appreciate it that when these random people are actually anti town that they won't shoot Koshi.

tldr2: Read tldr 1


This felt a bit wrong to me. What I mean is the fact that Koshi was primarily concerned about his own life and while saying that town's position is bad (which should lead to the conclusion that it's time to play well), he concludes that he's going to lurk.. Which left me with the feeling that rather than having good lynches, he just wanted to avoid getting shot. The strongest motivation for that would be if he's anti-town. It's still possible that he's blue or something, but if that's the case, then it's pretty bad play to announce your survival instinct so clearly (making it less likely that you're a VT).

Also Koshi: I don't agree that town is underpowered. The anti-towns can kill each other as well, and we have 2 (kind of) Medics in the game. Well, it is a bit random that way.


That's 4 different topics, 3 if you combine anything related to Koshi.
1-Votecount link
2- VT Claims, No Claims
3- Quote and scumread on Koshi
4- Town not underpowered

The quote in 3 was also brought up by Slam earlier, same bolding even, but maybe that's weak.

This might hold even better given that it has been sometime since Xat played here+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2015 19:46 Xatalos wrote:
Here's the current nicknames list if you're interested: https://github.com/Xatalos/mafia-votecount/blob/master/resources/public/js/nicknames.js

I've played my couple of last games on Vendetta Strada. Last time I played here... Was this one I think: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/484076-assassination-mafia

Yeah I agree that Slam is feeling very carefree/relaxed. Which usually leans towards town...

How did you come to that townread list btw?
and could very well be concerned about his open if he rolled scum.

Also his defense of Moosy felt a little off, as did his early town read+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2015 19:33 Xatalos wrote:
My gut feeling is that MoosyDoosy is town. If you ask me why? It's because he's taking it so easy while being accused. I think it's a bit more likely to become defensive or even over-react somehow if you're actually not town, rather than joke around. Especially since there are several anti-town factions, it's even more dangerous for you if votes get piled on you...

. Especially given that he says this
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On October 13 2015 19:54 Xatalos wrote:
Still, basically there's never a reason not to play as town. Only scum(/anti-town) benefits from a silent thread. And it even makes the game MORE random since there's less to work with.


Moosy's filter defines silent btw, half of his page is pre-game.

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On October 13 2015 20:12 Xatalos wrote:
On October 13 2015 20:09 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote: Sylencia


Oh yeah... This was mostly because I disliked his style of just cautiously/briefly popping into the thread to make some semi-useless comment, then disappear. That and the fact that others who had posted so far had at least something town-leaning going for them.


That's quite a bit of picking and choosing in how he applies this logic.

So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here.

##Vote: Xatalos



Well yeah, at this point MoosyDoosy's inactivity is starting to get irritating. I still get the feeling that anti-town wouldn't blatantly make themselves suspicious like that... Or generally just act without care for their own survival. In my experience people like that are usually town who get easily mislynched by scum. *Rarely* there are cases where scum take that as their strategy and WIFOM themselves out of suspicion... I kind of doubt MoosyDoosy is going for such a high-risk play.

Out of curiosity, when did I become your top scumread? You haven't really even mentioned me before that, but you said "for a long time". The case is kind of a cherry-picked gathering of pretty null-leaning things as well.

Not sure how talking about several topics in your opening is really scummy. Many people have done that.
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:29 GMT
#304
On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?


I guess he's indicating that as scum I'd just be making up inconsistent reads? I don't think he means I'd defend a teammate like that. That'd be just stupid.
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:31 GMT
#306
On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote:
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On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?


That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP.


Hm.. I guess that's a worthwhile point.
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:36 GMT
#309
Hm...

"So yea, this guy has been my top scumread for quite some time, and I'm fairly sure Xata flips non-town here."

Dunno why, but this sentence felt fake to me. This is all new information to the thread at least, but apparently he's been thinking these "for quite some time". How am I so suddenly strongly scum when there was no indication of that beforehand?
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:39 GMT
#313
On October 14 2015 05:36 Rels wrote:
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On October 14 2015 05:31 Xatalos wrote:
On October 14 2015 05:30 deconduo wrote:
On October 14 2015 05:23 Rels wrote:
Actually it only means something if xatalos and moosy are in a team together. Otherwise that illogical defense of Moosy is without a purpose. So by voting xatalos you're also suspecting moosy to be his teammate ?


That's a good point actually. Because its teams of 2, scumteams will probably have to hard defend each other from lynches. Bussing is not a viable strat this game because both sides have KP.


Hm.. I guess that's a worthwhile point.

The point he's agreeing is that you could be scum with moosy
Why are you agreeing with him
I suppose you are agreeing with the fact there are two teams of two and teammates wouldn't bus ... I don't know this seems weird to me


Yeah I agreed that in this setup, it's less likely that scum would bus each other.
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:40 GMT
#314
On October 14 2015 03:45 CopCake wrote:
Rels and GB being like I suspect GB but I still answer glowing bear questions.

NO FUCKING WAY, you two are also mafia, take back my GB townread.



Btw I don't understand this part
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Xatalos
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October 13 2015 20:58 GMT
#321
I don't even remember anything about gobble lol. MoosyDoosy isn't semi-useless, he's useless. (which might look worse than semi-useless at first but I mean... scum purposefully gathering negative attention? not as likely IMO)

Rels: because I just noticed the weird part
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 12:16 GMT
#509
Yeah this was a majority lynch... Then we'll definitely want to ensure a lynch and consolidate on 1-2 players towards the end.

A bit conflicted on TicTock overall. His recent posts have seemed more decent and pretty focused on scumhunting and such... So he might not really be the best lynch today. I think I can sort of understand why he's pushing me... It just feels tunneled when he's focused on it so much, and the evidence isn't really that good... But oh well. I wouldn't probably be the priority mislynch target for scum anyway since I'm not easy to lynch. Tentatively could be town?

MoosyDoosy's read post was pretty terrible. Not even the reads themselves so much, but the fact that like half of the players were included for lynching for whatever reasons. Town usually tend to focus on like 1-3 players they'd rather lynch, whereas he focused on as many players as possible. It just gave the feeling that he'd be fine with getting any of those players lynched given the opportunity.

Well, the reads too... I also flinched when I saw the part "CopCake has had good thoughts" when she hasn't really said anything sensible yet.

I think it's very unlikely that the anti-town factions would push members of their own faction in this setup D1, especially when the setup is so "swingy" and the lynch is everything but decided yet. It's not totally impossible, but I doubt they would want to immediately crash their chances of victory for a little town cred. I think these anti-town factions are quite unlikely:

Sylencia/CopCake
MoosyDoosy/Superbia
Onegu/MoosyDoosy
gobbledydook/CopCake
deconduo/CopCake

Not sure how much this information can be used before any actual flips, but.... It should be at least kept in mind.

At least I'm like 95% certain that Sylencia/CopCake aren't in the same faction. Otherwise I see absolutely no sense for Sylencia to suddenly go so hard against CopCake. It's very plausible that they could be on opposing factions, though. It could make sense especially since Sylencia focuses on CopCake being "3rd party"... Although in fact it does make slight sense for CopCake to be 3rd party like Sylencia said? Considering that she uses only the word "mafia" and never mentions anything about 3rd parties. Not really a strong point... But scum!Sylencia would probably notice that more easily than town!Sylencia, I guess.

Overall, I don't think any of CopCake/MoosyDoosy/Sylencia are really bad bets. Sylencia probably least of them... I just don't really like his overall lackluster posting (popping irregularly to make some post that makes absolutely no impact on the game) and now this hard push on CopCake for "looking like 3rd party" (TMI...?).

Not completely sure which one has the highest chances of flipping anti-town... But maybe CopCake looks the worst right now, slightly, especially with posts like these...

On October 14 2015 10:58 CopCake wrote:
you think rels is town tho.

that makes you mafia.


There's 0% logic there. The reads themselves are ridiculous, but the worst part is not pushing Rels if just "thinking Rels is town" is the reason to scumread someone (with that reasoning most players in the game would be scum btw). It's just hard to grasp she could be genuinely making these reads at all.

##Vote CopCake
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 12:39 GMT
#511
Hm yeah I guess so... Although that kind of seems too easy :D
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 13:19 GMT
#520
I've only seen scum CopCake before and she seemed more townie than now that time >.>
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 13:20 GMT
#521
Well, it's partly because of the Skype discussions and her being heavily townread by one other player too...
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 13:21 GMT
#522
On October 14 2015 22:06 Tictock wrote:
Ok I promised this, but I'm already rethinking some stuff. I'll be keeping up with the thread as I can at work, though I wont be able to post much till near EoD.

Probably Town
Rels - I should point out that Rels is a very strong scum player so people shouldn't give him an easy pass just because he's active. Still I have a hard time seeing him rolling scum 3 games in a row, and I'm not having any sneaking suspicions of him like I did in SoW2.
GlowingBear - I've agreed with most of his posts, he's not all over the place and causing confusion like I've seen him do as scum. Even the post where he suggested blues claim if they need to didn't feel like role hunting to me.

Town Lean
Koshi - Poked his head out way early, pretty active though most of it is complaining about the balance
deconduo - Joined the game late, made a decent reads post and was pretty much the first person to seriously push Cake. Probably would be a straight town read besides the fact he's been fairly inactive.
Sylencia - I'm actually not sure why I'm leaning town on Syl over straight null, something about his tone feels townie

Null
Onegu
CopCake
Superbia - I agree with GB, a couple of his posts felt towny. Continueing to throw out the "brb" thing after getting called out on it seems townie to me as well.
Alakaslam - Really not sure how to read Slam, he's low null right now because I don't have time to filter dive him and I don't recall anything he's done this game

Scum/Scum Lean
gobbledydook
MoosyDoosy
Xatalos


I didn't leave a note next to the people I've been discussing recently anyways.


If you liked my last post, why am I still top scum while CopCake/Sylencia (two of the main suspects) are town/null? Or was this just some post you prepared before and only posted now? Why not correct it before posting then?
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 16:25 GMT
#551
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...

Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.

The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 17:11 GMT
#557
On October 15 2015 01:50 Rels wrote:
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On October 15 2015 01:25 Xatalos wrote:
Btw I'm not sure how strict the rules for non-voting are, but CopCake's vote didn't count because it was only something like "#name". Or was it even a vote? Anyways, people should probably vote correctly before the deadline hits...

Tictock: I'm not really sure about you yet. Maybe a part of it could be the contradictory feelings about your push on me. On the other hand, it's hard to feel it being town-motivated when I'm town, but when you think about it, it's not like I'm a very good target to push for anti-town. The reasons also aren't absolute trash like some players (CopCake, MoosyDoosy etc.) have presented. Still I feel there's definitely a bias to present null-leaning things more negatively than they should be, but it's hard to say if that's town or anti-town tunneling for the time being.

The list's value isn't great right now, but I just wrote it down for later. At LYLO it could prove to be crucial, for example (as a piece to the puzzle of figuring out the factions).

TT s arguments are good though. You used different logic for different people, and most importantly you only voted on ongoing trains. You cannot dismiss them as " not trash" and "null leaning things".


Tbh I think I explained my "different" treatment of MoosyDoosy and Sylencia, and nobody else has really brought up Sylencia as far as I remember. But I don't really even care too much right now. There's no way I'm getting lynched today and things should be clearer after the lynch&kills, I hope.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 17:18 GMT
#560
How do you read CopCake?
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 21:25 GMT
#627
That's just not a reason to scumread anyone. Answering a question means being polite, and you can do it even if you're 100% sure someone is scum. And nobody sure as hell can't be 100% sure on anything during D1...

Please someone else put your vote down on CopCake. A no-lynch would be pretty sad in this situation. At best we lynch anti-town (pretty likely), at worst we move the game forward at our pace rather than having CopCake as a problem tomorrow.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 21:26 GMT
#628
And yeah, MoosyDoosy might be the groupie with CopCake or something >.> Seeing as he's defending CopCake so much despite being next on the line.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 21:28 GMT
#630
I don't really like the comments from Koshi/Tictock about "not taking responsibility". Why would you say that as town? To preserve your ego or something? Usually scum are more concerned about their credibility and launch those kinds of credibility-preserving lines when things are heated.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 21:28 GMT
#631
On October 15 2015 06:28 Koshi wrote:
Nha. I dont believe in this lynch. But you know her. I am cool with it


You know her?
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 21:39 GMT
#637
Yeah, don't test the wrath of rayn
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 21:40 GMT
#638
Oh well, I'm fine with this going forward. It'd be nice to have more votes to secure the lynch though. 7 is a bit uncomfortable still.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:42 GMT
#684
Hmm... Whatever you do, don't cause a no-lynch. But I don't really think there's a huge difference between them. Both probably need to die anyway (by CPR or something if necessary). And it'll be interesting to see what roles they are if one or both flip anti-town. That should make today's events clearer.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:44 GMT
#686
For example, right now CopCake could easily get no-lynched if just one switches away. I'd appreciate people ensuring the lynch before the deadline. Thanks.

If you prefer MoosyDoosy, state quickly why?
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October 14 2015 22:46 GMT
#689
I agree that his read posts were pretty half-assed :D
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:47 GMT
#691
Like "CopCake has had good thoughts", wtf
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:48 GMT
#693
For reference:

Day 1 Votecount

CopCake (7): deconduo, gobbledydook, Sylencia, Rels, GlowingBear, Xatalos, MoosyDoosy
MoosyDoosy (5): Koshi, Koshi, Superbia, GlowingBear, Onegu, Alakaslam, Tictock
Rels (1): CopCake
Koshi (0): GlowingBear
Sylencia (0): Xatalos
Tictock (0): Rels, Koshi, Koshi, Koshi, Xatalos
Xatalos (0): Tictock
Superbia (0): MoosyDoosy

Not Voting (0):
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:49 GMT
#696
And 7 votes are needed to lynch..
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:49 GMT
#698
On October 15 2015 07:48 Alakaslam wrote:
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On October 15 2015 07:47 Xatalos wrote:
Like "CopCake has had good thoughts", wtf

Who said this? Is this a Moosy quote?

Because yes CC has been articulating badly- I speak as one in a glass house


Yeah MoosyDoosy said this
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:51 GMT
#702
On October 15 2015 07:49 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:44 Xatalos wrote:
For example, right now CopCake could easily get no-lynched if just one switches away. I'd appreciate people ensuring the lynch before the deadline. Thanks.

If you prefer MoosyDoosy, state quickly why?


I've explained my reasons a few times. Moosy's only read push has been on Sup and his read was based on shit he berated Rels for being.

Cops reads are wierd but thy haev evolved, shes challenged people.


Well yeah MoosyDoosy's reads are terrible, but so are CopCake's.... And I'd expect CopCake to be the better one out of them, all things equal. Granted I've only seen scum!CopCake before and she was better than this even there.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:52 GMT
#705
On October 15 2015 07:51 CopCake wrote:
And I am not wrong I might be wrong in one, maybe two, but those are my reads, liked it or not.

Oh yeah add Xatalos in the list of suspects.


Do you only use OMGUS to form your reads now?
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:56 GMT
#715
On October 15 2015 07:53 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:51 Xatalos wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:49 Tictock wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:44 Xatalos wrote:
For example, right now CopCake could easily get no-lynched if just one switches away. I'd appreciate people ensuring the lynch before the deadline. Thanks.

If you prefer MoosyDoosy, state quickly why?


I've explained my reasons a few times. Moosy's only read push has been on Sup and his read was based on shit he berated Rels for being.

Cops reads are wierd but thy haev evolved, shes challenged people.


Well yeah MoosyDoosy's reads are terrible, but so are CopCake's.... And I'd expect CopCake to be the better one out of them, all things equal. Granted I've only seen scum!CopCake before and she was better than this even there.


If you mean her last scum game here then yes, thats kinda my line of thinking as well.


I meant a game on Vendetta Strada.
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:56 GMT
#716
On October 15 2015 07:55 CopCake wrote:
No, I am a GOOD SCUM, only that moosy ruined my mafia game here, i was pissed most of the game and didnt want to check in.


Bad Moosy
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Xatalos
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October 14 2015 22:57 GMT
#719
Yeah no way we start juggling votes now...
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October 14 2015 22:57 GMT
#721
Please vote for CopCake and ensure the lynch
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October 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#728
Hm... extremely town how?
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October 14 2015 22:59 GMT
#731
She just added me as scum for whatever reason (I guess because I pushed her to be lynched just now)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:04 GMT
#738
Meh, well I agree that CPR'ing Moosy seems good.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:05 GMT
#739
At least CopCake was VT and it would have been impossible at LYLO with her anyway, at this rate.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:11 GMT
#748
Well, theoretically the Mad Physician can heal townies for WIFOM, but it's a bit hard to see MoosyDoosy being town atm anyway
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:11 GMT
#749
Or can he? At least I got that picture from the text.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:43 GMT
#761
Slam: to be frank I get the feeling you're town here, but.... It's hard to follow your word when it's some gut meta read.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 14 2015 23:44 GMT
#762
On October 15 2015 08:19 Superbia wrote:
To third party

I implore you to shoot moosy (if he's not in your faction) or who you think is mafia tonight. Let me explain:

Mafia can roll over town and you here if moosy ends up being town (near impossible) or 3p.
If moosy is either of these, they will put their save on moosy and both town and yourself (3rd party) is going to be fucked:
- Town will be forced to lynch moosy d2.
- Mafia will be immortal to your kp n2 because of it (mafia doctor can save himself).
I.e.: You will be in a shit situation. You must have already realized that you are in a shit situation compared to mafia, as you essentially cannot touch them during the night. They are stronger than you.

If moosy is town (again, very unlikely) OR 3p, mafia will go for this play tonight. This means that they are (50%) vulnerable to your KP tonight. This is your chance. Shoot mafia.

And if moosy is mafia you guarantee his death anyway.


Well, I won't complain if they follow this... haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 11:58 GMT
#813
On October 15 2015 20:36 Koshi wrote:
He should die. And he should die fast. CPR, mafia, 3p. Shoot Xatalos.
He is a threat.


Do you think I'm a blue or something? What's with calling me a "threat" rather than anti-town?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 11:59 GMT
#814
That just felt too weird.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 12:00 GMT
#815
On October 15 2015 20:40 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 07:34 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:34 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:29 Koshi wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:20 deconduo wrote:
On October 15 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote:
I would like an answer to this question from everyone btw. Just real quick:

Is copcake scum?
Is moosy scum?
Why are you voting [copcake/moosy] over [moosy/copcake]?
What's your top 3 town?


At this point I believe there is no way both copcake and moosy are town. If they are, I don't want to play mafia for the next 20 years.


1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Moosy is groupie, so is essentially a wasted lynch. Better to lynch copcake.
4) Hmm, nothing much has changed on the town side since my first vote. Rels, Koshi ,superbia stay in the top 3 for now.

You are anti town.


Why? There is no good reason for us to want to lynch groupie at all this game.

It's ok. I know you are mafia. It's fine.


Show nested quote +
On October 15 2015 09:06 Koshi wrote:
Moosy
deconduo
Xatalos


Mafia 3p cpr,

please kill above targets.


Koshi is scum for this btw.

- Lynching groupie doesn't remove them from the game, it just stops them from posting in the thread
- Therefore lynching groupie is the same as a no-lynch
- Therefore Koshi is pushing the fact that a no-lynch is pro-town
- Therefore Koshi is scum.


Are you saying you're the groupie >.> wat
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 12:56 GMT
#821
..........

deconduo: Oh, I see. Still I'm not really sure how you came to be certain that Moosy is specifically a groupie?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 13:02 GMT
#824
:D:D:D

Thanks for the laughs Koshi.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 13:04 GMT
#825
For the record, I also wonder about that logic he used... Hm.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 15:33 GMT
#885
I just heavily dislike when people say stuff like "this lynch is bad" without actually putting in any effort to stop it. In my experience, that often comes from scum who want to look better after the lynch. The motivation is to "make yourself look better", not to "change anything" (see: merely stating that the lynch is bad, not doing anything to stop it). CopCake could have easily been in a different faction and seemed "townie enough" that someone anti-town would go for those credibility-grabbing tactics.

I think Slam also said something similar, but he's always unfathomable and otherwise feels townish(?), so it's hard to say about him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 15:35 GMT
#886
With that said, I'd lean town on Koshi for now. Especially his recent posts just seem too impulsive and natural... Like he's just saying whatever he wants to without considering the consequences.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 20:15 GMT
#911
Not sure I really understand your latest accusation, and it's starting to get a bit annoying. I mean... I never said that CopCake made a ton of sense as scum. She just had that spontaneous/genuine feel about her with her posting style as scum, same as here. So that's pretty inconclusive. What made me lean over to scum on her was how her reads just didn't make any logical sense. I couldn't understand how she could push those as town, and they were even more peculiar compared to her last scumgame, so... In any case, I don't really regret it. She wasn't even a role, and she would have been an anti-town element later on.

Frankly, you just seem to twist anything and everything about me in a negative light. Straight from my very first post. Either you're town in an extreme tunnel or just anti-town. Actually starting to lean a bit more towards anti-town since the tunnel has been so "pre-set" and static. In either case, it's getting harder for me to take you seriously.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:04 GMT
#945
I'm glad I survived anyway.... Started writing a last will post for the case where I managed to get myself killed, but seems like the silence started earlier than I thought and luckily I'm alive. In any case, here's what I wrote down:

Koshi: town. He's been posting very actively and pushed a lot of different issues in the thread. Totally unfocused on his own appearance and without any apparent agenda, his motivation simply seems to be playing the game. He's even been pushing Mafia/3P to attack each other - something no anti-town would want to happen from the opposing faction.

Alakaslam: town. Just something about his presence in the thread feeling completely non-forced. Hard to explain, but I'm leaning a lot more towards town at this point.

Sylencia: anti-town. Has felt very detached from the game all around. It just kind of feels like he has no interest towards solving the game, but towards blending in somehow.

MoosyDoosy: anti-town. Probably. At least his play has been anti-town, and totally unproductive even while posting quite a bit.

Tictock: anti-town(?). It's been difficult to get a grasp on him. At times it seems like he's really thinking about stuff, but then... Mostly I've felt odd about his continuous tunnel on me. It's like it's even too "certain", as in decided beforehand and then just focused on cherry-picking whatever could make me anti-town. It's not "definitely" anti-town, but it's a strong possibility.

Rels: town(?)... It's not as strong as I felt initially, but he's continued push forward good posts. If he's town, he's probably dying during N1/N2 anyway. I see no way to put him as a lynch candidate at least.

GlowingBear: town(?). Not a strong read, he's just seemed all around decent to me. Should take another look though.

Rest: null. Can't say I have a meaningful read either way on anyone else atm. Absolutely no idea about deconduo or gobble... Or really Onegu for that matter. Superbia would need a closer look tomorrow.

- - - - -

Well, looks like I was pretty wrong looking at the kills... I guess there's a lot to re-evaluate. Probably the anti-town factions were searching for other anti-town/blues with those hits, but we were lucky. It's also quite possible that CPR killed MoosyDoosy and one of the other kills was protected against through a role (either town/anti-town).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:07 GMT
#947
I guess it's actually pretty certain that CPR killed MoosyDoosy and 3P kill was prevented since otherwise the 3P Janitor thing should have been in effect.....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:08 GMT
#950
Meh, not really sure who are the anti-towns right now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:10 GMT
#955
Well, that claim seems believable. It's also a lot more risky for anti-towns to fakeclaim when there are multiple factions (you'd be taking all the risks while the other faction takes all the benefits) so I can see the value of massclaim.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:11 GMT
#957
On October 16 2015 08:10 Koshi wrote:
God damn Xatalos you better be mafia or I am sucking donkey balls.


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:11 GMT
#960
On second thoughts, though, it's not really that useful if the blues aren't even in danger.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:12 GMT
#963
On October 16 2015 08:11 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 08:11 Xatalos wrote:
On October 16 2015 08:10 Koshi wrote:
God damn Xatalos you better be mafia or I am sucking donkey balls.


?

Not surprising you don't get it.


What?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:13 GMT
#964
On October 16 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote:
Parity cop never fucking claims today unless there's like hard scum on him. Parity cop is useless until tomorrow.


Yeah, that's true.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:14 GMT
#971
Overall the kills were excellent. Only VT's + people under suspicion. The only better thing would have been anti-town kills but that's not as likely with the protective roles there etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:15 GMT
#973
wot?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:16 GMT
#978
I don't get it, why did he die? Crossfire didn't die yet?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:17 GMT
#981
Hmm...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:19 GMT
#983
I don't see anything in the OP about the Groupie being able to reveal himself though.... And even if he could, why now?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:20 GMT
#984
##Vote gobble

in any case
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:31 GMT
#994
Hmm... It really is a bit unfair for the Crossfire. Maybe it's better to abort? I'm not super-invested in the game anyway atm haha

Well, you should probably ask the Crossfire.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:33 GMT
#1003
Well, it happens. I'd kind of like to see the QT's / roles?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:36 GMT
#1008
CopCake was correct? MoosyDoosy was town though? And it's not like some one-liner gut read has too much meaning :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:37 GMT
#1010
But I guess that means... Rels/GlowingBear anti-town?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:38 GMT
#1017
I've been a bit off yeah... I don't think I've even filter dived anyone really. Well, I hope Koshi was town at least. What was Tictock?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:39 GMT
#1022
Was Slam really anti-town? Whaat
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:40 GMT
#1027
On October 16 2015 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 08:38 Xatalos wrote:
I've been a bit off yeah... I don't think I've even filter dived anyone really. Well, I hope Koshi was town at least. What was Tictock?

Town.

In my opinion TT was the most pro-town player in this game.
hands down. \o/


He mostly pushed me though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:42 GMT
#1030
Well, nicely played by them I guess. No wonder it was hard to find anti-town when my original townreads were pretty much anti-town :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:43 GMT
#1032
I had no idea it would be Slam, slight suspicions towards Rels later on. Onegu/gobble pretty much just were null to me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:44 GMT
#1036
Well, don't kill yourself over this. In fact I'm a bit glad it ended now since I haven't really been able to play well and it might have even ended in my first lynch as town in years.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:47 GMT
#1041
As for me, I think this setup seems pretty fun for anti-town, but not as much for town? Maybe.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:53 GMT
#1052
Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:54 GMT
#1054
On October 16 2015 08:53 Superbia wrote:
Moosy nothing personal but I have no idea what you were doing this game btw.


Haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:59 GMT
#1059
Dunno, I've been a bit tired and not as involved so I don't think it's weird some could suspect me. I'm usually somewhat more spammy and active/focused.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 15 2015 23:59 GMT
#1061
Though I wonder how so many were strongly convinced I'm anti-town based on pretty null things :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 00:01 GMT
#1068
On October 15 2015 21:58 Koshi wrote:
Ok no. nvm. It is too retarded.

HOW CAN YOU KNOW SOMEBODY IS THE GROUPIE AND NOT MAFIA? HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU DECIDE SOMEBODY IS ANTITOWN BUT ISN'T "IMPORTANT" ANTITOWN???????????????????????????????

??????????????????????


YOU ARE EITHER FULLBLOWN BRAINDAMAGED. ORRRRRRR YOU ARE SO FAR UP YOUR ASS BULLSHITTING AS MAFIA YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY SENSE ANYMORE.


Seriously. HOW THE LIVING FUCK CAN YOU IDENTIFY SOMEBODY AS ANTI TOWN BUT YOU JUST KNOW THAT HE ISN'T AN IMPORTANT ROLE??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Then you proceed to call somebody mafia for not understanding how not only you could identify somebody as antitown, you could actually identify his fucking role.


It's like somebody saying "I don't want to lynch X because he is a goon, better lynch Y because he is Roleblocker". OMG you are so fucking mafia because you want to lynch mafia goon and not mafia Roleblocker.


FUCKING BEYOND RETARDED.



Important Disclaimer: In case you are actually town I apologize and will donate to an organisation helping mentally disabled people playing mafia.

Important Disclaimer II: In case you are town and you are actually right about this groupie thing you are still mentally braindamaged for wanting to kill somebody who wants to kill antitown. Instead of proving that he is a groupie without any doubt.


Thanks again for this post btw. I actually laughed while reading it. That doesn't happen often :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 00:04 GMT
#1070
It's not so bad. It was only one day anyways.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 00:04 GMT
#1071
But I guess it would be good to go through the OP before hosting in the future
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 00:05 GMT
#1072
Or warn in the QT about important things like that if they're casually discussing using the Janitor etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 00:06 GMT
#1074
On October 16 2015 09:00 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 08:59 Xatalos wrote:
Though I wonder how so many were strongly convinced I'm anti-town based on pretty null things :D


I mainly wanted to push you and see some emotion.


Oh. Well, maybe you would have gotten it if I was about to be lynched. I kind of didn't want to break my non-lynchable (as town) record of like 10-20 games lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 00:23 GMT
#1082
On October 16 2015 09:21 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2015 09:20 Superbia wrote:
All right. I'm off to sleep. Goodnight all!

gn

(I am already sleeping)


Sleep-posting? >.>
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
October 16 2015 12:36 GMT
#1163
Dunno really, tbh I would probably lynch CopCake again. Not sure why rayn says that I should have realized her alignment as I don't really know her meta too well and her actions were very... impossible to understand for town. I guess it's a point for her that she didn't really even care about her own fate. But she might have been the Groupie or something (meaning that there's not as much danger even if she ended up dying). I've also seen scum do some crazy/risky stuff before (Regy...).

Tictock: yeah that "3 games in a row" thing was probably the worst reason for a read I've ever seen You should note that it's exactly equally likely for someone to roll scum regardless of their previous roles haha... Sorry that I didn't respond to you properly, but I guess I was just a bit annoyed by the constant push and had some doubt about your motivations as well so...

I think I would have been able to do something D2, but this game was just very difficult for me for some reason or another. And Slam... really, I guess I'll never be able to read him. gobble/Onegu were possible lynches for me though so maybe I would have noticed them better during D2. Rels played well too and fooled me initially with the high effort.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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