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On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 18:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
... furthermore if he read the voting thread, he is jsut blantantly lying.
There was NEVER ever time when coolname/scott/rsoultin were "main lynch targets". this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece. Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 18:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i know LS is not the most logical guy, but he gets his stuff somewhere, everyone does. What he says doesn't make any sense. The conclusion definitely did not come from reading the voting thread, that is 100% obvious. If he had skimmed the thread he would know that (1) GB is actually one of the main lynch targets, (2) rsoultin is not, (3) coolTLname is being voted BECAUSE scott claimed. Somehow he conveniently misses those KEY things that lead to the situation we were at the time. I can't see this being possible unless you are like the most unfortunate person on the planet when you skim through the thread. i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7. GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way. Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:mmm like here is why this coolnamedude is scum; 1) says he wants to be lynched over scott -> tries to vote for scott 2) says i am mafia for things that do not make me mafia, calls me a liar -> either just straight out lying or didn't read the thread.. but -> says people who do not read the thread are mafia..  3) calls me/you mafia because we are "cluttering the thread for posting so much" -> says rsoultin is town because she has the biggest filter in the game (yes that is literally his only reason he has managed to ACTUALLY provide). My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch. Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote:On October 01 2015 12:42 Trfel wrote:
I could also probably lynch coolTLname for voting at End of Day and then not posting until 39 minutes later. And then saying that he wanted to get lynched after voting for survival. Like i said earlier, i was busy. To be elaborate i had a therapy session with my dad during the last hour of the game. I actually checked during the session and it seemed clear i would be lynched , until scott revealed at the last minute. I didn't really know what the votes or anything that was going on , but scott seemed suspicious enough to me so i tried to mobile vote him. Unfortunately i was lagging and i cant text for shit, which made my votes not even count, because i missed the deadline, btw. I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now.
alright, rayn, let's break this down really quick
1. he says you're lying because trfel and i were lynch targets. in context you clearly meant that there was no time where scott, cool and i were the main wagons at the same time, however you post doesn't actually say that. this looks like a simple misunderstanding
2. this is certainly untrue. it's also easily explained by seeing the votes after the fact with no timestamps, btw
3. he really did never say anything about wanting to be voted down over scott, so yes, you got that wrong and that would appear to be a lie to him
we all make mistakes of memory/misread things from time to time? just because he believed those were lies, that makes his mistakes make him mafia? i'd say both of you are just wrong on that because i think if you read any player's filter in this game they've misread things and we can't all be scum
are there any "lies" he told that weren't in this post here?
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On October 03 2015 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +1. he says you're lying because trfel and i were lynch targets. in context you clearly meant that there was no time where scott, cool and i were the main wagons at the same time, however you post doesn't actually say that. this looks like a simple misunderstanding Don't be an idiot. The conversation i had, where the post is taken, is ALL ABOUT "scott, cool and rsoultin being the main wagons".... -> not reading the thread. Show nested quote +2. this is certainly untrue. it's also easily explained by seeing the votes after the fact with no timestamps, btw pretty clear shit. Show nested quote +3. he really did never say anything about wanting to be voted down over scott, so yes, you got that wrong and that would appear to be a lie to him oh but he did.
i just read his filter rayn @.@ from top to bottom
quote it or let it go
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please don't call me an idiot. when you're not explicit with what you're saying, rayn, it can be misunderstood and it looks like that's what happened. why would he zero in on that as scum knowing what you meant, either? scum's not going to say the sky is red and expect people to believe them lol ><
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On October 03 2015 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote:
please don't call me an idiot. when you're not explicit with what you're saying, rayn, it can be misunderstood and it looks like that's what happened. why would he zero in on that as scum knowing what you meant, either? scum's not going to say the sky is red and expect people to believe them lol >< Ge read the conversation where the post is taken from. If you have read the conversation, you have no doubts what i am talking about. The post is just taken out of context for no reason.
no i do understand what you were talking about? but i don't see why scum does that, is the point, rayn. even if he is scum, he still probably misunderstood
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On October 03 2015 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:1. he says you're lying because trfel and i were lynch targets. in context you clearly meant that there was no time where scott, cool and i were the main wagons at the same time, however you post doesn't actually say that. this looks like a simple misunderstanding Don't be an idiot. The conversation i had, where the post is taken, is ALL ABOUT "scott, cool and rsoultin being the main wagons".... -> not reading the thread. 2. this is certainly untrue. it's also easily explained by seeing the votes after the fact with no timestamps, btw pretty clear shit. 3. he really did never say anything about wanting to be voted down over scott, so yes, you got that wrong and that would appear to be a lie to him oh but he did. i just read his filter rayn @.@ from top to bottom quote it or let it go He says he wanted to get lynced. That's what he said. Later on he says he didn't want to get lynched over scott (who was the opposing wagon) because he suspected scott. But he never suspected scott. In fact he suspected ME the most, and i was pushing scott's lynch ALL D1. So i find it really hard to believe what he is saying.
okay this is a good point thank you lol >< finally something that makes sense to me to actually scumread him for
you're right; he never mentions scott before this, and he appears to actually be townreading j roc prior to the replacement
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On October 03 2015 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His D1 and N1 is literally devoted to "rayn is mafia because he is lying and not reading the thread". Literally.
Am i supposed to believe he is town when - again - every single thing he says about me during those 72 hours is either lie or him not reading the thread properly?
Like this isn't so hard Tina, why are you making this so hard?
mostly because this isn't really the case...he was talking about other things both d1 and n1, rayn. you have to realize that you're emotionally invested in this read and you focus on tiny things, while i am not and i tend to focus on the big picture. both have their place
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okie dokie moving on i'll bug you guys later if i have anything to bug you about
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On October 03 2015 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 09:58 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
His D1 and N1 is literally devoted to "rayn is mafia because he is lying and not reading the thread". Literally.
Am i supposed to believe he is town when - again - every single thing he says about me during those 72 hours is either lie or him not reading the thread properly?
Like this isn't so hard Tina, why are you making this so hard? mostly because this isn't really the case...he was talking about other things both d1 and n1, rayn. you have to realize that you're emotionally invested in this read and you focus on tiny things, while i am not and i tend to focus on the big picture. both have their place I don't care if he was talking about other things, that's not what i am arguing about. I am arguing about his top scumread -- me.
-flicks- accept the "i get this, rayn"
we'll never agree on every point lol we never have
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btw cool if you're still lurking around here somewhere
what changed from your j roc townread to finding scott suspicious when one of your top scumreads had been pushing him all day?
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On October 03 2015 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would like to hear your case on Trfel Tine, when you have time.
i could give you a rundown of my impressions now, but i'd like to verify them first, and i'm going through everyone systematically at the moment. if it's not done before you go to bed, it'll be waiting for you when you wake up
essentially i don't think he's demonstrated much of an interest in finding scum, of which this "i think cool is town" with no alternative presented is just the latest example
even when he was strapped for time, he'd have a case and a push and a strong opinion, riddled with doubts and disclaimers as his pushes often are lol >< and he flat-out told me that he was joining this game because he had time to play like he used to before he went home for the summer. yet he's not. so. anyway, i wasn't gonna comment much until i double-checked but that's where my head's at fyi
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On October 03 2015 10:26 Damdred wrote:
RS if cool flips scum would that influence your trfel read
yeah i know what you're talking about. it's one of the reasons i was so adamant that you guys show me why you were scumreading cool...i agree that just saying he's town while not doing anything about it is pretty unlikely to come from scumbuddies
tbf the only thing i really see that scummy in cool after reading his filter is the assertion that he found scott suspicious without anything to indicate that this was the case prior to that post
your he's not new thing is kinda obvious you know...i checked the sc2 mafia site to see what sort of mafia games they have going there and it's pretty sparse, more mechanics it seems. as for terminology, well, that being different from site to site makes sense, but i wasn't going to read a whole other game at some other site just to doublecheck on terms lol ><
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also, have you had a chance to review sl yet? i'm horrid at reading him but i'd say town by the sheer level of involvement tbh, even if he makes me want to stab him with sporks for saying i've given no reads since the start of the game lol >< i'll write a pretty list later with
town
mafia
gremlin
or whatever just so it's obvious to people who don't get connotation (tbf, that does require another layer of attention and i should probably just be clearer, but bah! lol)
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On October 03 2015 10:52 coolTLname wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 03 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:1. he says you're lying because trfel and i were lynch targets. in context you clearly meant that there was no time where scott, cool and i were the main wagons at the same time, however you post doesn't actually say that. this looks like a simple misunderstanding Don't be an idiot. The conversation i had, where the post is taken, is ALL ABOUT "scott, cool and rsoultin being the main wagons".... -> not reading the thread. 2. this is certainly untrue. it's also easily explained by seeing the votes after the fact with no timestamps, btw pretty clear shit. 3. he really did never say anything about wanting to be voted down over scott, so yes, you got that wrong and that would appear to be a lie to him oh but he did. i just read his filter rayn @.@ from top to bottom quote it or let it go He says he wanted to get lynced. That's what he said. Later on he says he didn't want to get lynched over scott (who was the opposing wagon) because he suspected scott. But he never suspected scott. In fact he suspected ME the most, and i was pushing scott's lynch ALL D1. So i find it really hard to believe what he is saying. okay this is a good point thank you lol >< finally something that makes sense to me to actually scumread him for you're right; he never mentions scott before this, and he appears to actually be townreading j roc prior to the replacement bc scott played totally different from j roc, when he posted his list of suspicions , the list was just off and he was just super afk, then posted a big list. And i said somewhat suspicious. rayn is just either tunneling hard or yeah i dont really like mafia if u can just spam and be angry to win, thats a really stupid game, where it clearly says in the rules, don't be a dick. Ive caught rayn in numerous lies and hes just tunneling hard on me because hes angry and super narcissistic , so he will never refute his claims.
this isn't about rayn right now. this is about you and me and your read on scott. though honestly i don't think there's any more we can get from this line of questioning because for whatever reason you never actually posted your suspicions of scott until after the lynch -_-
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On October 03 2015 10:54 coolTLname wrote:
Peace, im done seeing another post from him and i doubt ill play another mafia game. stop focusing on me, when we have literally every townie afk they arent gonna bother to change their minds , none of them have even remotely suggested other leads.
or you can try to discuss your reads ^^ you know i'll listen
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On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V?
yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially
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On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 11:15 rsoultin wrote:On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote:
Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e.
I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him.
RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one.
yeah i poked at him for that but it was the ls thing that really solidified it. there was no way in hell he could believe what he was saying
eh
truffle has ninja-voted me before in the vote thread as town and ninja-unvoted me without posting a damn thing, for which i've tunneled him
he's a bit of a dolt that way so i'm not sure it means anything tbh?
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like if we're talking about truffle's read on me departing from his normal town play, it's actually that he often ignores me when he's not sure as town
he clearly wasn't sure this game but somehow managed to leave his vote on me all day through alternating jokes and serious reads
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On October 03 2015 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 10:52 coolTLname wrote:
Ive caught rayn in numerous lies and hes just tunneling hard on me because hes angry and super narcissistic , so he will never refute his claims. Has asked to prove even a a single one. Doesn't. Meanwhile... good night frands
nite :/
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On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote:OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 11:37 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 17:42 Rels wrote:On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:25 rsoultin wrote:
btw truffle nope ^^ i only skimmed it cause yawn lol you can keep your shitty vote Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... @Trfel is this a serious post if it is I find super weird the fact that most posts before and after this one are funny posts OK after I finish catching up I'll do a Trfel's filter dive to check if my feeling is right. But I definitely have the feeling there is a contradiction in tone progression in Trfel's posts, something like funny => one serious => funny => one serious => funny If you think that me alternating between being serious or funny is a sign that I am mafia, then I have no more words for you. To be honest, depending on how that's applied, it's probably the easiest way to read me. Since apparently I wasn't clear: I started out by voting rsoultin as a joke. Then I started being a bit suspicious of rsoultin, but not enough that I wanted to actually push it (at least until I reread things). Before I was able to reread things, rsoultin made some posts that were contrary to the assumptions I had made for some of my suspicions of her, and then I realized a few flaws in my suspicions. So I wasn't very suspicious of her any more). Clear enough? He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things.
tbh i can't remember if he does that or not as scum, shining
he and moosy are last on my list to go through lol >< but i didn't really mean the switch off between joking and serious itself being scummy...him managing to stay on me in one form or fashion all day, alternating between serious and joking, is odd
rayn thinks he's somehow townie for questioning his counterwagon, coming to half-baked wishy washy conclusions that give him the excuse to keep his vote there when it's quite obvious that truffle benefits from not moving his vote from my wagon lol >< but yeah there are a few other things i want to check with him anyway so stand by
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