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Rayn I assume this is the post you refer to in #1?
On September 15 2015 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? what do you even mean by this? i think i have already explained why it's the correct play so the answer should be obvious.
Kus tbh I felt it was kinda scummy that it took you 2 hours to react to his question, yet posted this inbetween.
On September 15 2015 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this game is stupidly slow, can you americans get there already?
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Also since your not ignoring me atm.
On September 16 2015 08:12 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh yeah and geript is totally town. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?
Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. Rayn can you explain why you hardread geript as town?
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On September 16 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote:Fidei can you explain why you say this I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. Why do you find the push to be suspect? Keep in mind people were pushing him as mafia when these were his only 2 posts: On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business! On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Two reasons: 1. (And this is likely to get the Rayn hate, but w/e) I actually understand where LS is coming from on this. I've never played this setup before, and Rayn comes in and says that there is only one correct way to play the martyr. I'm naturally suspicious of those sorts of claims - most roles in Mafia are nuanced enough to have multiple uses. If I'm the martyr here and, say, HTS or some other really strong town is the NK target, I probably think it's worth to sacrifice myself, because then they get another day. Particularly if the martyr honestly assesses themselves as a weak town player. 2. It's LS. Pretty much every game I've been in has had a wagon start on him (or ruxx pretending to be him) for appearing 'naive' or disagreeing with a strong town player. No offence LS, but you're probably the easiest ml out there. Jumping on him for a pretty innocuous question just seems really opportunistic.
Been mulling this over a little. I fail to see why this leads you to the conclusion that mafia was pushing LS.
#1 Sure. If I recall correctly LS, geript, and myself all questioned what benefit there was in having Martyr claim. I think the question itself is pretty null.
#2 If LS is pushed every-game then him being pushed this game shouldn't mean that much. It's weird to me that you looked at this push and seemed to conclude there was mafia involvement.
I kinda thought the open LS made was pretty scummy in it of itself.
An excuse and a townclaim, plus some "getting down to buisness"
The question after was hardly any business.
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On September 16 2015 19:52 Vivax wrote:
I'm here now folks.
Also see rayn it worked ^.^
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On September 16 2015 20:48 Rels wrote:
OK since we're waiting for quite a few people to answer stuff, I want to discuss something
Should people about to get mislynched roleclaim ? I'm thinking they shouldn't.
On the plus side: the town knows a little more about the game and mafia cannot fakeclaim that particular role if we decide to mass claim one day.
On the minus side: the mafia will have infos if they try to role POE.
Not talking about roles that will get revealed anyway, like grandier or crusader.
I'm inclined to say they shouldn't because it gives info to mafia.
Role claiming as a hail-Mary is such a cop-out anyways.
It makes sense, however, to insta-claim in Angel QT.
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Soup: Instead of using the Witch Kill, any member of the Witch's coven can instead drink a cursed Soup. The Witch will take a sip, then name a player and a role, then drink again and repeat the process. - What this means is the witches will match players to roles, as many as they like. Each correctly matched player will die. The Soup kill goes through any protection and cannot be stopped. If the Witch guesses a role incorrectly, the Witch's identity will be revealed, along with the target in this format: "playername the witch tried to kill targetname the [incorrect role] but failed". However, if first the Soup target is incorrect, the witch will not be revealed and the message will instead read "a witch tried to kill targetname the [incorrect role] but failed". The Crusader will not be allowed to make a revenge kill if killed by Soup, and the Martyr will not have an opportunity to save anyone from the Soup kill.
Yea, given the mechanics behind the soup kill I think keeping as much role information from mafia as possible is the best course of action.
Martyr ofc being the exception due to the Necro role.
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On September 16 2015 21:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 19:21 Tictock wrote:Also since your not ignoring me atm. On September 16 2015 08:12 Tictock wrote:On September 15 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh yeah and geript is totally town. On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?
Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. Rayn can you explain why you hardread geript as town? Do you even read the game you are posting in? Like we JUST talked about this for fucking pages....
So your whole read on geript was kus you both thought LS was scummy.
ok
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Ok I'm up. Had a long day at work yesterday and went out with friends after, still recovering from that a bit actually.
I need to catchup and reread some stuff, but if there's any questions for me right off ask away as I wake up and get going here.
From a cursory glance it seems like potential grail holders being discussed are, Damdred, FF, and myself correct?
I noticed Rayn and geript seem to think geript should get it, but I don't recall either of them talking about it.
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For refference this is more or less where I remember being. Might be subject to change as I reread here.
raynpelikoneet
Damdred
Fecalfeast
Bill Murray
The Shining
Vivax
Rels
Half the Sky
LightningStrike
Fidei86
geript
Dandel Ion
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On September 17 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote:
I'm going to vote ff for grail at this point. He's pretty obvious town, rels is pretty obvious town.
I'm sorta short I'll be more active tommorow just doing a major party for work.
This post makes me question giving FF the grail a bit.
I'm thinking FF is town, but the way Damdred lists FF and Rels together as two obvious town is strange to me. I see a few posts in FF's filter that look pretty towny but I wouldn't group him with obviously town Rels.
Plus ofc I'm scum reading Damdred so...
@FF you are scumreading Damdred for similar reasons to me I think.
How does him wanting to give you the grail affect your read on him?
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On September 17 2015 12:25 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm on the latter part of Tictock's filter and honestly finding his filter direction tenuous in general - I'm assuming he's scumreading Fidei for finding the push on LS suspicious but I thought he stressed part of that reason for scumming Tictock was that the read felt a little "safe" in that other people already were doing it. I didn't see Fidei's read as being unreasonable.
Sorta right, I'm not too concerned with Fidei scum reading me kus of my rather flippant post/read on LS at that point. I thought it was odd that he looked at the LS push and went looking for scum pushing LS, also the answers he gave me as to why he thought this were rather poor imo. So I'm scumreading him for looking for easy excuses to call people scum.
Also from about the second half of his filter (from posts 583 to about 609) I am having trouble telling whether he's trying to scumread rayn or just try and understand what he's saying. I know rayn somewhere in there tried to clarify a sequence of events but regardless I'm still pretty unclear where Tictock is going after post 609, the conclusion is really unclear as to where he stands on rayn if he's clarified where his townread on geript is coming from.
I'd be rather surprised to find out Rayn is anything but town, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for him to be scum here. I was more interested why he had such a hard read on geript more than trying check my read. Town!Rayn can give townreads for bad reasons, or scumreads for that matter. Part of it is that I'm pretty null on geript myself so I was wondering if there was something I was missing.
All said and done I got nothing out of that. Geript still seems pretty null to me, and Rayn's reasons for townreading him don't do anything for me.
Also noticed when he asked Dandel how he'd describe his posting and didn't follow up with his response (Dandel had replied "conscious" or something) - not sure if he missed that or just ignored it.
But lack of direction on that end warrants a scumlean. Also not understanding why he finds the Fidei read poor which is easy to trace if you look at the back and forth in his filter.
Dandel's response there made me smile, but doesn't help me read him a whole lot. Still making up my mind about that guy.
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On September 17 2015 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred is basically begging a cop check so i don't think the lynch on him is a good idea. I also think the cop should check him because we either get a red, or we get a really good townie (if he can be trusted to be town).
Humm, this feels like a somewhat sudden shift but I think I can get behind it. It makes sense to me given how the roles play out to rely on a cop check like this.
I'm not sure LS would be my first backup without rechecking his filter though.
Was there anything besides LS suggesting you get the grail rayn that changed your mind on LS?
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On September 17 2015 06:57 Bill Murray wrote:
god i thought i made it right before deadline but we have a whole day dont we...
i feel like an idiot now
This post + the fact BM afked for 10 hours after it makes me want to rethink my townlean on him
Then again his rapid fire posting when he did come back is somewhat towny.
Ehh prob not someone I'd lynch today.
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On September 17 2015 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Dude it's a waste of time to get something out of Dandel, if crusader dies at any point he should just take him down.
I'm reasonably sure we should lynch into BM or damdy today.
Can you explain why you scumread BM?
I don't think the stuff about him ignoring rayn but calling you out, or w/e was very scummy. So wondering if you have more than that.
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On September 17 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I checked Ticktock's filter. Got him null still my main thing that bothers me is his unnatural read progression regarding me. First he called me scum than later he said I was town for some of my reactions yet it doesn't seem natural. His mind seem to change a lot with thread sentiment.
Got it, you only care if I talk about you.
You really can't get anything else out of my filter?
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Rels what do you make of Damdred wanting to give FF the grail?
Having a hard time deciding this one.
I'm not sure I really care to try and make a case for myself getting it, nor do I think I have a chance at convincing enough people. So only option for me seems to be finding someone else to take it.
This also reminded me that I didn't like this post very much
On September 17 2015 09:42 The Shining wrote:
So Damdred comes back with more nothing, while WIFOMing his alignment in not one but two games. Bro, I hate you right now. W.e I'm done, see you guys at deadline.
Don't really care who gets the grail, either. Give it to whoever will be nkd n1 so this slow game can end fast.
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LS if you are still around, who do you think should get the grail?
Or do you still want to give it to rayn?
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On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town
If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.
SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ?
This is actually a really good idea the more I think about it because it prevents Mafia from getting any potential role info from their Demon role.
Demon: Every night you will learn the targets of the Inquisitor and the Oracle. You will not know which target was targeted by whom.
Plus all the stuff Rels already said.
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On September 16 2015 03:33 Bill Murray wrote:
I feel TT and Rels have been buddying and I had a scumread on TT
Humm I thought I had a better idea what BM meant regarding this earlier, which would mean I don't particularly like your case Vivax.
However I'd like to hear from BM what he was thinking at the time when he said this.
For easy refference BM, and to make my question a bit more clear.
What made you think Rels and I were "buddying" in the first 20 pages of the game?
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On September 17 2015 22:50 Rels wrote:
I think you should openly campaign for your election though p:
I'm flattered you have so much faith in me.
Maybe I'll throw something together.
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