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On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote: 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote: 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler + On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired). Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now. Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff. Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion. Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired). Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later. GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh. Rest also IDK. So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town | ||
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##Vote N00bking GB probably mafia too for his - GB thing and defending Breshke trying almost too hard - I have not seen him pour so much into a game - maybe he got laid off - but I have to call him town for now, but tinfoil scary the work he is putting in | ||
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On September 05 2015 11:17 GlowingBear wrote: It's a "reminder" in a fluff. Give this guy a medal. Meh, I'm voting slam. Okay so why are you voting slam? Moosy trying to solve the game - unlike his mafia games - townlean I saw this post at page 21 from Alakaslam - On September 05 2015 12:03 Alakaslam wrote: Please make sure this doesn't turn into simply joining a fray. If they talk past each other, what makes you certain they don't just talk past you? Granted I have no memory of you, so fish mah man Rayn has meta reason as strong as my real reason for being away. Do him no discredit for his read of me, but please see it's prematurity. He is a townread. Yamato another townread. Still reading. And I did not like it - so I filter dived - this post is the only that only is more then one line - On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote: Dude is this your first time being scum? For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about. This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched. Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are. Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me. That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think. Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team. Which says very little and bashing on Rayn who is my top townread at the moment - And now I see GB voting me - but says very little about this On September 05 2015 13:56 Alakaslam wrote: Why If you leave I will suspicious of you agai My thoughts right now - but from what I watched of Slam he wouldn't put himself out here this easily, almost a townlean in a way - not a D1 lynch D1 lynches right now are GB and N00bking and voting n00bking | ||
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On September 05 2015 12:01 CopCake wrote: I am not pocketing anyone, me and rayn are friends already. Pockting would be me trying to seduce a player I dont know. This post screams at me for some reason - what is the town agenda here? It reminds me of VE or others posting "i'm fucking town" - On September 05 2015 12:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + hey slam is not mafia but i still want the mspaint so shhhh....... I could buy this but no HIJOLE or his famous other town words... Slam is actually trying in this game as well though - not a D1 lynch On September 05 2015 13:20 GlowingBear wrote: argh scott again has got a bad post and did nothing right after... I'm kinda lost here tbf On September 05 2015 13:20 GlowingBear wrote: Slam what do you think of moosydoosy? So what is bad about my post? Enlighten me... Page 26 | ||
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n00bKing - mafia - CoughingHydra - null - even posted? CopCake - slight townlean trying to solve Alakaslam - really posty - tinfoil like Breshke - actually want to win or change it up? Fidei86 - null - posts? scott31337 - town Superbia - a little townlean from what I read earlier started well died off GlowingBear - OMGUS smoking crack voting me - mafia lean - not interested in solving boxerfred - no posts? yamato77 - townlean - doing his yamato town "meta" Breshke - townlean - but posting wayyy too much - laid off or changing it up - townlean not D1 lynch raynpelikoneet - town hero as usual - <3 Time to make sure I did not forget anybody | ||
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On September 05 2015 20:23 CoughingHydra wrote: It's not "fair" since some of you can base your conclusions on previous games. Also 20 pages already... But anyway, my thoughts. First there was this convo about GB claiming vigi. I think it should be noted here that start setup is only know by mafia and blue roles (except cop and miller). The discussion went relatively constructive imo. Next, there was some pressuring going on it seems, noob voting ryan and breshke voting slam. After reading through the discussion, I don't know what to think of cake (with his funky posting) and breshke (case vs slam felt shaky and odd), but the rest seem town aligned for now (except for the people that didn't post at all obv). shit post - page 30 On September 06 2015 00:26 CoughingHydra wrote: 1. Fine, thank you! I'm still  , imho this thread is already too much spam : P2. Pardon me, correcting to "with her funky posting" 3. Ah thanks, I did read that somewhere I believe, probably in some guide. I did it because it was a relatively long time span after the discussion and I didn't participate in the said discussion(s). 4. Mostly this post There was no legit case so he maybe tried to push a lynch. Afterwards though he seemed fine. 5. The main thing I don't like with her is she spams to much irrelevant stuff... spam another shit post I see this post from boxer On September 06 2015 00:53 boxerfred wrote: Hello guys, just chiming in to say "yo I'm here". Currently reading up the thread, I got like 1-2 hours time as of now. Are there any questions directed to me in a direct way? Really willing to contribute here but I don't have much time until monday. filter dive Nothing else - could lynch boxerfred as well On September 06 2015 02:10 yamato77 wrote: The amount of bad in this post is over 9000. rayn is really, really obviously town and his reads are pretty reasonable unless you're going to make the asinine case that he and I are mafia together and hard townread each other 2 hours into D1, you should probably stop complaining about his read on me For the record, rayn and I ARE working together, as town is supposed to do. You're the one impeding cooperation, if in fact you are town, by insisting that one of us is reading the other incorrectly (namely by saying that rayn is mafia for his read on me which is laughable) posts like these are actually +town for any given player, in general Yet you've managed only to ruffle feathers this game I'd say you're failing massively in the do anything but piss off rayn department. Notably, your last few posts I've seen before this one are quite meaningless. Fucking LOL pot, kettle, black >______________> I have few townreads, Slam, Rayn, Cop, Breshke Superbia hasn't posted since the start; moosy posts irrelevant things and calls cake mafia for ? reasons; GB votes lurkers and says not much meaningful about the game - all null given their relative activity noobking is pretty scummy given his posting but at least it's consistent. he is ultra wrong tho no one else has done/said anything I find meaningful Good post from yamato - more town love here On September 06 2015 02:21 CopCake wrote: How am I funky? Why does it matter if I dissapeared and it was too early? It was friday night and i am west coast. Ate post - I do not like - -- ... copcake just say it. Another shit post On September 06 2015 02:25 CopCake wrote: Also my gender doesn't matter. ANDDDDDDDDDDD Lol moosy being like what do you think of cake and noobking? then when someone talks about other two people in the next two psots he is like what do you think of gb and alakazam? seriously are you just going to spend the whole game asking for other people reads and don't make your own but like attack me for shitty silly stuff you are also doing? LOL ok. On September 06 2015 02:41 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, yamato is probably town Where do you come up with this - and this probably GB mafia agenda? Yeah - def Scumlean on you and not for OMGUS when Boxer and others have not posted. Why can't we ever be on the same team? On September 06 2015 02:57 GlowingBear wrote: Basically, these are summary with lazy reads. Yamato doing shit = town. That was way too fast and yamato wasn't doing much. He called me drunk/high just to discredit me and then called me null. He calls noobking bad but does not vote him. He gives no reason to call Rayn town. Then he fucks off. Just looks like a Mafia trying to contribute while saying nothing new. Glowingbear just let me know what else you want to know and talk more about. I hear town Palmar talking to me right now - and we both say you are mafia. | ||
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On September 06 2015 02:57 GlowingBear wrote: Basically, these are summary with lazy reads. Yamato doing shit = town. That was way too fast and yamato wasn't doing much. He called me drunk/high just to discredit me and then called me null. He calls noobking bad but does not vote him. He gives no reason to call Rayn town. Then he fucks off. Just looks like a Mafia trying to contribute while saying nothing new. Mafia. | ||
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On September 06 2015 03:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well then enlighten me because you and rayn apparently play with her a lot. Is this what she normally does? Because to an outsider, it looks a hella like a bunch of filler posts/sheeping people/pocketing people. Also, I am in no way obsessed with her right now. If I were I would be pushing for her lynch hard but rayn is holding me back and I'm inclined to believe him. BTW it's easier for town if you don't use pronouns and say you are speaking of, MoosyDoosy when you filter dive when you search. What seems off to you? | ||
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On September 06 2015 03:47 GlowingBear wrote: Scott, wouldn't it be easier if you'd cobsolidate your reads in one post instead of going through the topic and post reads and re-adapt them as you go? Meh, I don't know. I don't like what you're doing, although I think your reads make sense I was posting my townie thoughts along the way and adding my thoughts and quotes up in notepad. Do you have any specific questions for me? Is n00bking toast and you are bussing him now? What about boxerfred, who's only made one post, why do you mention nothing of him? | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?user=CopCake http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?user=GlowingBear http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/493411-newbie-student-mafia-xiv-firefly?user=boxerfred I want GB or n00bking lynches though. | ||
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Right now for me it's GB/N00bking/Boxerfred but that's too easy | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:57 n00bKing wrote: GlowingBear has come out looking Town from virtually every interaction. So if Scott is Town, then he's just about as wrong as he could possibly be, as I like most of what GlowingBear has had to say in the game. You haven't obs enough glowing bear games, don't worry about it, one day you will understand. | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:19 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ok, I could tackle your post about me but i'll just say one thing here. when i asked glowingbear about his opinion on scott, he had said that scott's reads made sense in the post directly before. but glowingbear on scott's directly previous post had said he had made a shit post. so i was looking to catch GB in a trap. if he had said scott looked townie then he was almost certainly mafia in my eyes. instead, he said that he still had him as null/scum for previous shit posts. so GB effectively avoided the trap which prompted my 'mmm...ok' response. he had responded in the best possible way which made me townread him. on the other hand when i try to prompt u (copcake) to help us out, all u seem to want to do is rage at me even though i'm completely willing to listen to other's opinions on you and i am in fact actively searching for such opinions. this can only make me A. hurt and B. suspicious that you're getting so angry over really nothing. even now u seem to be unable to see the traps and the ulterior motives behind my seemingly pointless questions which just makes me more suspicious. HOWEVER, the only reason why i am not pressing on you too hard right now is because both rayn/yamato in my townie circle seem to think ur town. I like the logic and thought here, but GB is actually pretty good at not falling for bat traps tm. | ||
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I like nocturne thought process unlike last game, a townlean for now. Stupid autocrat | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:51 n00bKing wrote: I notice no one has raised the possibility of Hydra having been a Smurf. Based on screen name and post count, it certainly seems to me like it could be. Which would definitely impact how you gauge his exit from the game. Confirmed not reading the thread. | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:59 NocturneMage wrote: Going through Copcake's filter as one of the issues requested - some leans I see from both alignments. mafia - the reads on glowingbear make zero sense. First she asks him how is rayn mafia then there's zero to little follow up on gb until her list post. But there her read still doesn't make sense - if gb doesn't care whether he dies or not shouldn't that make him town? the mafia need to try and survive, at least that's what gb (lol) told me in the mafia qt from my last newbie game. Anyways, also expanding on the useless details might help here - because I saw where he returned a rebuttal on rayn's read on breshke - didn't think that was useless for example. - also post 611 on moosydoosy - if moosydoosy is paying too much attention to her isn't that a towntell if he's pushing her? Or at least not alignment if he has to defend himself? I read around that post and I don't see how moosy is being "antagonistic". - read on slam - alright I don't know either of her or slam so I will ignore meta. But to say that slam is town for not being antagonistic like moosy or n00bking - this is not exclusive to mafia, I just got done finishing observing the personality game and Mr. Nice Guy in Judge Judy carried mafia. Basically this read is a bad reason to read Slam town, I am finding most of his posting nonsensical at best but for the reasons you specified it's a poor reason Those are scumtells, admittedly your read on moosy and you pushing him is a town action, so I'm going to say a null to scum lean on you for now. Also since you mentioned it what do you mean by pocketing? I'm sure I've heard it in my only other game but I forget the meanting now. Town. | ||
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On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote: It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn. I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment. The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full: I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ??? n00b is a scum-read for now. That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other? I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime. One thing I find interesting if you are numbering posts like NM did and I've never seen that before. Who do you want tob lynch today? | ||
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On September 06 2015 14:09 n00bKing wrote: What Mafia games? I thought he was mafia one of his games, am I mistaken? And since you've made several posts since then, but never addressed it, I'll bring this back up: Because he was replaced. | ||
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On September 07 2015 03:43 yamato77 wrote: I absolutely feel that we should be lynching GB today, and we don't have much time to do it. IF ANYONE has objections, please raise them. I've read noob's post on the matter and choose to disagree with it in its entirety. ThIs might be the best plan. Gb has been GiVing me bad vibes all game so far. Noob could be bad town. I think he's put enough to give him a pass for today. Let me finish the that first. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:11 Fidei86 wrote: Does scott have a reason for being on GB other than OMGUS? It's a little more than OMGUS - He calls Rayn mafia for really bad reasons - His reads are basically opposite of mine (except for Noobking, but then he votes me instead) - a lot of one liners for a 6 page filter/etc. | ||
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GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him. GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86 copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town. | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. n00bKing: I didn't like his entrance nor I liked how he is interacting with rayn. Rayn is pretty town in my opinion and i think it's fucking obvious, he is also closed minded with his "oh but a town shouldn't react the way rayn is doing so" Dude if you are town, you should know rayn is town, i have shared the meta when he is mafia and i guess someone else has done it too, you might have your opinion but the fact rayn is attacking you or someone else doesn't make him mafia, why don't you sit, drink some tea and think in a word in which rayn is town, if he is mistaken prove to ALL OF US why you are TOWN but.... but BUT you have been trying to frame rayn all the fucking way, omg that is absolutely a very townie thing to do. Prove yourself and don't blame anyone of your mistakes. You might say "oh but it is exactly what moose is doing with you", it's different, rayn is looking at other places, moose isn't. CoughingHydra replaced by NocturneMage Day 1: I didn't like him, felt odd and now is replacing, will say neutral but i want to see his replacement. CopCake: Town forever Alakaslam: I know some of you have him as a little scum lean earlier but I think he is town. You might say "oh he is faking his meta" or "he sucks at faking" but from my point of view he would try to blend in and pretend to be town if he was mafia. Like if a strong player has a meta on him, wouldn't he try to be the most possible to look as his town meta? He also doesn't feel agressive or like trying to throw dirt unlike noobking and moose. Fidei86: Uh he is like, he exists but at the same time he doesnt. Little scum lean since i doubt the three mafia are active. scott31337: Town so far. Superbia: The few she has made look pretty town so far, she is trying to solve the game and give her perspective. GlowingBear: I don't like how fucking wishy washy he is with his reads and votes, he is also focusing on useless details. It's like he doesn't care who he is voting for. His also "omg i am town vigilante" looks like yeah dude, doesnt care if he dies because if he aint the vig the vig will vig him and if you were the vig you would shut up so mafia wouldn't attack you, you are pretty much an "i dont care lol" this whole game. But with everything you have caused with your claim you should have at least for now try to be serious but you haven't changed, mafia lean. boxerfred: Don't remember him. yamato77: Domo arigato mr yamato is town, I was mafia with him last game, he sucks as mafia. He would also be epic mia. Breshke: Uhhhh nothing has stood up a lot with me with this person. raynpelikoneet: Town. I mean I disagree on a couple (Moosy, Fidei) but this seems like a reasonable list post from a townie. The rest of the filter isn't that great, but not a D1 lynch. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: shit got real. | ||
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Well the Bear thing will sort itself out. Fucking Bear. I'll be back later. | ||
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On September 07 2015 08:00 NocturneMage wrote: rayn, definitely not, scott, do you have something stronger than what you previously posted? Because I don't think his play is mafia exclusive. Without a Doc/Vig/JK/Vet claim I guess I have to believe him, but there's no point claiming before D2 and getting RB'ed anyway. | ||
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Fidei just seems slightly off from his town games - I read his filter and there's a lot of tunnel on MD - what's your thoughts on MD now? | ||
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On September 07 2015 10:34 Breshke wrote: Basically GB is lying. He did not claim vigi to "not get shot". He say's rayn should understand and that I do understand why he claimed vigi. Quick history lesson GB coached me in one of my newbie games and im fairly sure it was there that he told me how he normally opens up the day by saying stuff that will start up some conversation. For example he will say something like "I am town" and colour the word town red. So when GB says I know why he claimed vigi it is because he was doing what i explained above. It doesn't make him town because GB does that first post play as both alignments. What does make him mafia is him claiming that he claimed vigi so he wouldn't get shot by mafia which is basically confirmed bullshit given the post I quoted. Like counterclaim or not I really doubt GB is the doctor considering he is trying to justify his claim with bullshit. So In theory GB's claim will solve itself tomorrow and it's why I personally did not want to drain on it, but makes me curious why want you want to tonight - time zones? Do you think the claim is bullshit? Who else do you think are mafia? | ||
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GB have a drink with me Who are the other two mafia? | ||
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A lot of this will solve itself in a few hours - so I don't want to drain tons of energy on it though - I will D2 if we have to.. | ||
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On September 08 2015 02:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: mmm…ok. by the way if you’re town you’ve broken all records on your meta for actually participating. which brings me to this question. your tone throughout this game is excited which is normally associated with a townie as they feel free more often than not. but it sounds like you like being mafia better here?  might be nothing but i’m covering my bases right now.I haven't rolled mafia in how many games? six or seven? - and from what I've learned, I want to again sometime. | ||
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I really like rayn's and boxer's post - I could sheep them - Fidei's been off and showing his contradictions like that shows. Sounds like a pretty good lynch. Makes me want to re-read slam's filter and see if there is any substance to it or a bunch words. | ||
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thinks GB mafia Super town then reconsider ? ??? What do you think of Breshke and rayn now? Fidei? Yeah I'd be down for a Fidei/Slam lynch | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: um...ok. i'll just ignore this for now because this is blatantly false. You mean we have played terrible? | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:10 Alakaslam wrote: go for it. GlowingBear is the obvious lunch but I need the time anyway. I am no longer going to defend. Superbia may also be scum. the Mighty scott mentions a lynch on you and your gonna keel over? | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:13 GlowingBear wrote: His claim is obviously fake. It's clearly out of rage, wether it's forced or not. It should be 100% fake to you, you'd be the one to know. Very interesting wording here. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NX9sXiQ.jpg) | ||
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On September 08 2015 08:37 Alakaslam wrote: The tinfoil is strong Rayn what do you think of this? Is there some flaw in my logic? Am I too tinfoil? It's the same thing I thought when I read NM's post - since Cop/Doc can be a setup - not too tinfoily, but a "scumslip"? It's maybe a little more to add to their steaming piles, but that's as far as I'd go with it. | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: > cake is mafia because the dude that was lynched believed that yeah is the best case ever get a nobel prize ready already pls. I think GB's case on me was better. | ||
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What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? | ||
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On September 10 2015 01:49 Alakaslam wrote: Ask me Stuff How are your feelings with fidei? Do you think he's town? I think he pays a lot of nai and repeats himself a lot and not posting a lot of information. | ||
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On September 10 2015 02:50 GlowingBear wrote: I tried. I tried to put reason in the human mind. I traveled back and forth to places so I could bring logic to the human brain, and learn from people from everywhere, and all I get is stupidity and betrayal. You are not ready to understand the hidden mysteries of the universe. Glowingbear If you are town, you should leave a last will for your memory. But I'm about 95% sure you are not, so just spill the last two mafia since we will find them anyway <3![[image loading]](http://lowres.cartoonstock.com/sport-quicksand-conceding-golfer-golf-golf_course-ksmn3251_low.jpg) | ||
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Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. | ||
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On September 05 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote: Well, if rayn is really ignoring me just because I made a joke I'm happy where my vote is placed at. I gave my opinion on why I think he is mafia and I invite everyone to read it. I also think MoosyDoosy might be mafia. I think Breshke looks townie. I think Superbia looks townie. I didn't like yamato's opening but I have nothing against his posts. His alignment gets clearer as the game goes by, so I won't worry about it now. I'm drawn to this post for some reason, like two truths and a lie. I bet one of these three names are scum buddies. | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote: If you guys can't see that Rayn's claim is fake, you're mafia. His claim is completely out of place and it's easily retractable by the excuse that he did it out of rage. Then he easily throw his vote on me and let people pile on. It's better to have the doctor lynxhed than killed, right? So just roleblock him and cast suspicions on him. Fidei fits as scum partner of Rayn. His flip on me is too opportunistic. ##vote: Fidei86 So GB still interacts with me through the whole thread, even though he thinks I am mafia. Gb didn't interact for shit with fidei except here (if you call it that) but he tHinks he is mafia also. Hmmm More filter reading. | ||
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Superbia-my #1 Scum right now - very little followup - not voting the right wagons - first vote for n00bking - beyond any magic blue work - want to lynch tomorrow MoosyDoosy - His Night 2 is espically weird - he thinks rayn's claim is fake - gets called out for bluehunting (which I sure thought he was doing as well) and then backpedals quite hard on it. My gut calls him #2 right now. boxerfred-quiet and in the stands - although has some good posts and points - just above null. Breshke-I've like his play n2 with moosy - trying to prod and get answers out of him - bad voting d1. He'd be above boxer. CopCake - I just want this guy to do some more as town if he is - what are your thoughts on everybody? slight townlean, please help Fidei86 - Helped get GB lynched, but just has been a little off - maybe he's overworked like he said in a few messages? townlean Alakaslam - did the super phat bus on GB (voted first on him day 1, never left until he claimed, was suspicious of him all game) or he's town - not lynching anytime soon. raynpelikoneet-Da man - I will keep the town in line and accomplish victory for us in your name! Oh and IRL excuse - I'll be traveling out of town tomorrow/Friday and then a pool party afterwards - so expect very little posting. | ||
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or GB's slip about the setup isn't real (doubtful) or the Doc is a n00b (possible) So I'll start off on the fun - Who's with me? ##Vote Superbia | ||
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On September 11 2015 07:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how no one else noticed how copcake read Cop in rayn's post as a referral to her as well. but no one jumped on that? you have to be kidding me. You mean this? On September 11 2015 02:57 CopCake wrote: Yeah, I'm not the cop. Will bring reads later, I am at work. You went over it for a page and a half, how could Cop cake miss it? This cOuld be about how you talked and talked about it... | ||
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On September 11 2015 08:19 Breshke wrote: Scott does md's rage seem real to you? It's an awkward question to answer I know but yeah. I think it's over the top. Let's Look at his perspective Super mad he's right but town doesn't listen and is vocal about it. Wants to lynch Cop cake, but what if she flips town? Do we lynch moosy then? Who's the other mafia? | ||
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On September 11 2015 11:58 MoosyDoosy wrote: -sigh- I'm going to write up a mini case on CopCake and see if it goes anywhere. Won't bother with quotes because then people just don't read it. I read your case and gave my opinion, so don't just write it off like that. I'm not going to go on each point unless I feel the need or it's on me or something. | ||
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Moosy gets a little town love - He hasn't been not my top lynch and has had some good posting today. I've re-read Superbia's filter and I'm confident of where my vote is right now. The shitfight with Breshke tells me very little - I've just re-read the filter for good quotes and I cannot find any since the modkill one above- On September 11 2015 06:51 Superbia wrote: Posting not to get modkilled. Not mafia. Been too preoccupied with voice mafia lol. Promise to play tomorrow. The only thing I've learned is you believe Boxerfred is town. BoxerFred Lurky d1, which I think is NAI for BF (as I pointed out before his prev game he lurked d1 and he was PR, so it might be a mafia or PR thing)? I didn't really like his push on fidei (didn't really feel like it came from a townie perspective). His read progression on fidei also doesn't really make sense, as fidei was calling md mafia (iirc), which bf registered, but was still iffy about fidei's alignment after bf also started calling md mafia (similar reads???). Calls people null/mafia who have been calling GB mafia. Reads not lining up. Possible mafia. Also throws lots of null-reads around. On September 11 2015 23:37 Superbia wrote: It's probably breshke/moosy. I kinda love that boxerfred post on me lmao. That pocket is very very deep. You have not shown me anything positive to change my vote. ---- Fidei seems tunnelled on the Superbia/Breshke arguement - I still see townie vibes here - Breshke's play has gotten downhill - and the BS above - I doubt he'll keep a vote on Superbia, he tried once. It could be a flail from the scum team - I think they are scared. He hasn't shown me anything positive to town. I'm up for a bit - then sleep and get up before deadline. Moosy gets some decent points for how much he's tried, and when he did calm down - looks more focused at finding scum. Fidei is slightly better. I just don't see the Copcake confirmed town - still on the better fish to fry NM - Way more posting then his last game (as mafia) - like a busy town man - townlean. Boxerfred ... ohhhh On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push? Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible. We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier. So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads. At this point, I have the following town reads: - scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB. Followed by my null reads: - Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy? Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here. He forgets why I am town. (ummmm... wow) Reads Superbia town for his huge case - and - Let's go over that. + Show Spoiler [Boxer Case] + On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote: This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard. rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him. So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. 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CopCake Alakaslam Superbia boxerfred Each tell me your #1 lynch. MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke Breshke (2): Fidei86, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (0): Alakaslam Not Informing (5): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Mafia love to wait on their vote BTW | ||
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On September 13 2015 02:00 Alakaslam wrote: It's the result of me testing to see if I am this town's de facto leader. I am. I say it = thread sentiment? I am leading this town whether people know it or not. Since I am not sure who the scum is, two of my old suspicions are up for lynch. Since I am leading the town via their subconscious, they are experiencing reaction lag. I no longer scum read Superbia or Breshke, but I have scumread them in the past. Therefore town is voting them. The rest (those not experiencing as much lag) are undecided; my current position. Now that I have voted Scott, I expect them to follow. If I stay long enough I expect him to be lynched. Oddly enough he was my strongest townreAd not long ago. But Superbia made a very good point and I want scott to clarify and participate more. When coupled with Superbia's theory, Scott's lurkyness actually looks very bad, like an early bus thing was in fact going on. Often scum teams will FoS each other with bad reasons too- GB fos I ducking told you all I'm going to Tucson for work and then a pool party afterwards and I'll be gone basically all day. Don't try that bull shit lurker crap. Team liquid now isn't worKing on my isp and only my phone, ffs. | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm inclined to vote CopCake or boxerfred. Well you at least answered my question. | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:16 Alakaslam wrote: So you are possibly east of algodones? I recently almost went to Rio Rico. But I am waaaaay west of either of you. "West coast". Pfft desert southwest at best XD People say that to me all the time and I am here seeing my eastern desert brethren claiming to be on the coast (Makes more sense in mex though as there is the Baja gulf) I live in Phoenix - but had to go to Tucson for the job and move some junk back here. I loaded up Tor and signed into that, so I can post on the computer now (yayy) Allright, down to business... Let me catch up | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:30 Superbia wrote: Scott what was your mafia read on GB? He voted Rayn for really bad reasons He was flailing and prodding on whatever he could then he made a shit case on me and I called him out on it and I know I'm town I've obs'ed at least 3-4 of GB's mafia games and it reminded me of the same thing | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:32 CopCake wrote: Ensenada is foggy as fuck. I will vote scott for the "i dont have a read on copcake but she is town" Let me try to explain this a little better - so your voting speaks town - but your talking does not - and it's not because of ESL (English as a second language) - You should just say what's on your mind as town but you don't. You have to be prodded for reads every time and even that does not work. When I posted my townteam - "CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm" it's what I'm feeling at the moment (that's not in order btw, if you want order it'd be like "Scott/Slam/NM/Fidei/CopCake" - You're my weakest townread, but it is one, basically because the others are scummier. Does that make sense? | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:48 Alakaslam wrote: Scott Phoenix is 3 hours and a timezone east of me I am way west of you on 10 I assumed you were somewhere near Yuma'ish with your I-10 washout mafia and the worst california county mafia hehehe | ||
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On September 13 2015 04:02 CopCake wrote: Fuck you because I dont share what's on my mind I am mafia? Lol No, I mean I would bus moosy PRETTY HARD but there is ONE THING holding me to do so. Calm down sson Did I say you were mafia for not posting what's on your mind? No I did not. | ||
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On September 13 2015 04:26 Alakaslam wrote: Based purely on voting analysis, I should be voting Breshke before Superbia Hijole... Decisions decisions Can you help me on this? Is it because he voted for you day 1 - or can you be more specific? + Show Spoiler [Vote Post] + On September 10 2015 07:47 scott31337 wrote: So here's the vote count before GB claims on day 1. Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. | ||
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Breshke (3): Fidei86, NocturneMage, Alakaslam Superbia (1): scott31337 MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred Fidei86 (1): Breshke scott31337 (1):Copcake boxerfred (1):MoosyDoody Not Informing (1): Superbia | ||
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On September 13 2015 04:53 Breshke wrote: So if fidei or nocturne are mafia they are hyper aware that I am very very likely the doctor Do they stil push me like they have? Well from a Mafia perspective it would do two things - It gets you to claim - and then you have to die tomorrow - and they can try to RB who they think is the cop It proves their suspicions correct when they weren't 100% sure you were the doctor (but had enough suspicion to RB you) | ||
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Superbia (3): scott31337, Breshke, Fidei86 Breshke (1): NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred boxerfred (1): MoosyDoosy scott31337 (1): CopCake Fidei86 (1): Alakaslam Not Informing (1): Superbia Advised Action: Bounty Hunters dispatched and expected to arrive in , currently targeting Superbia due to suspicions reported by 3 Informants. Situation is subject to change. Updates should be reported. On September 13 2015 04:59 Alakaslam wrote: I am now so lost I am sheeping Ummm | ||
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On September 13 2015 06:33 NocturneMage wrote: I want to talk about scott's very early game when he started scumreading GB. Does this look like an organic or contrived read to you? The biggest issue I have with this is the "GB thing and defending" line. The stuff after this line (vote on slam, post on 631) makes sense but not this first initial read on gb. Scott posting on GB post 279 - I tried to read around this. So he votes on Rayn who seems to be townie here - and well we know he is townie. GB's vote is pretty bad here. 623 - soft push on gb (this is 17 hours later) I read between 279 and 623 on GB's filter I am not sure what Scott means by GB thing and defending. Scott what did you mean here? He's defending bad issues and is thinking opposite thoughts then I am (It's a GB mafia trait from his games I've read and obs'ed. His only view I agreed at that time was on n00bking. He scums n00bking but votes me anyway) ----------------------------------- Then post 631 - this post looks towny but is the first interaction TMI? GB smoking/drinking is NAI. That sentence doesn't really say anything in post 279. The one liner in 623 has me scratching my head in a did he or didn't he softpush/bus situation, but 623 shows him doing the work to push gb again for voting slam. He crosschecked GB. Post 638 (Scott calling GB's read on him mafia) is NAI for Scott. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The bolded COULD come from a scum Scott (posts 646/649) So far, I'm leaning townish but that VERY first interaction has me scratching my head. Scott if you can answer that that would help. I'd look up some OBS of GB mafia, but I don't have time to do that before deadline. I put in my parts in bold in the quotes above. | ||
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On September 13 2015 07:25 Superbia wrote: Noooooo. I think he's the cop. I disagree, but I don't need to help mafia any more on this subject. | ||
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Breshke please give final thoughts before start of day. I'll be back. | ||
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Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote.[/QUOTE] -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337 Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): | ||
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NM stepped it up quite a bit from his last mafia game if he's mafia Superbia's townier but not this sicklucker confirmed town bullshit I can't stand that | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Vote Count] + On September 13 2015 07:44 scott31337 wrote: Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337 Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): So if what he says is true - Then Fidei, CopCake, or Slam is mafia bussing. Slam could've done the super phat bus from the beginning - I had a tinfoil about that a day ago, and changing up his play - It's not out of the realm. I think Fidei is town. Copcake? I'm honestly not sure - and this is vote #5 with 13 playing - Would they serious do this? I'm doubtful. I think bussing is overthought of - in all my games played - it hasn't happened. There were two I obs'ed (There in the database) that rayn was mafia and bussed starting D1 and bussed his teammmates. He was alive d4/d5 and people caught on why he wasn't dead yet, and lost. Damdred started bussing d2 his teammates- made it to LYLO with Yamato - and won... Beyond those two it's pretty rare - and I've been called out every game I'm in that I bussed also, and it's never happened (and I was town in all those too) I think it's suboptimal unless absolutely necessary. If anyone did, it was Slam - but that's still really tinfoil. | ||
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CopCake - Please just fucking help, frustrating Superbia - think you are town but the "sicklucker confirmed town" shit is bullshit. Stop. Help us out today. MoosyDoosy - He brought a better D3 and gets a few points for sure - I went to a null on him though for unexplained reasons NocturneMage - He's brought his game up tremendously if he's mafia unlike his last game - when he's free he acts town feels town. Alakaslam - Phat magic bus theory or town but You can't ride it forever either. Fidei86 - He's been a little off/overworked but pretty sure he's town Breshke- 99% sure he's the doctor and probably dead with no CC | ||
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You thought CopCake was mafia and it makes sense. Only the GF could CC in theory and that would be a disaster. | ||
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It makes very little sense unless this was a straight up pre-plan, and that's super tinfoil. He came up with the checks almost instantly. It's 98% true. Good job NM!!! We can't get lazy and need to find the Godfather now. | ||
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On September 14 2015 07:49 NocturneMage wrote: You know what I think stinks about Alakaslam? His vote switch back from boxerfred to superbia end of day last cycle. What the fuck was that all about? boxerfred was still lynched but what was he tryign to do? He phone posts a lot as well in his situation - and may not have known the vote count.I just saw his vote when I refreshed and said "Slam hammer" but after 30 seconds I figured out it was 3/3 Boxer voted first. Boxer was VT. If he was anything else it would have been REALLY bad. Now if Copcake is mafia there's only one left and it's just a derp move in my opinion. | ||
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Night 2 - Superbia - green Only ONE can be the GF or they are both town. Girl already tripping I'm spending too much time on mafia this weekend anyway so I'll do some filter diving CopCaker/etc tomorrow. | ||
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Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337 Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Moosy Town Tunnel Copcake] + On September 13 2015 07:44 scott31337 wrote: Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337 Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): | ||
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On September 13 2015 06:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: Town: NocturneMage Alakaslam Breshke Town Lean: Fidei86 Null: Superbia (need to look into) scott31337 (had to be busing hard) Mafia: boxerfred CopCake | ||
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What do my fellow townies think? | ||
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Copcake lynched 5-1 NM shot Day 5 4-1 ML+shot 2-1 LYLO We have two mislynches left. | ||
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On September 15 2015 05:26 NocturneMage wrote: So all d1 superbia struggles with Copcake's alignment. Nearly all of d1. And then out of nowhere, this? Could "scumperbia" just have tried to ease off when the pressure was clearly off? any input? That's a pretty good catch - makes a lot of sense. I saw slam out on the other game so I know his excuse was legit but I didn't want to mention it before he did (OGI) I'm feeling more of a Superbia lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On September 15 2015 10:23 Alakaslam wrote: My apologies for exploding. I will try to meet minimum requirements. I legit do not have any time this week, I will be hard pressed to login. I get busy too - just tell us your thoughts of the CHUPAZI | ||
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On September 10 2015 10:31 Alakaslam wrote: Moosy you see not with the eyes of CHUPAZI Tell me more about this | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Slam/cake] + On September 05 2015 14:47 Alakaslam wrote: GB only voting lurkers lol Srs man, no more scummy than that? No wonder I was under pressure. Still am for that matter, because I am deathbattling which always looks stupid if you are thuu On September 06 2015 07:20 Alakaslam wrote: It matters a little if people think they can psychoanalyst. + Show Spoiler + none of us have that kind of prowess- or we should be curing psychopaths and turning jails around, not playing mafia But I digress. Catching up again On September 05 2015 14:00 Alakaslam wrote: I will say noobking has said some stuff that made me say ighh, I can't remember where Where did CopCake go? It's not that late Unless she is Northeast, then I would say that's not really north but who am I to blow against the wind... I just do not see the Slam/cake or superbia connection + Show Spoiler [GB] + On September 06 2015 18:53 Fidei86 wrote: GB I have thought about this overnight and I don't know if it makes sense for scum n00b to post in the way that he has. Like, the points he makes are *okay* and a lot of them against Rayn I actually made myself. People seem to be scumming him more for his tone, and I agree he has been very obnoxious. But isn't that more likely to come from town than Mafia? Why does Mafia come in and generally make as many enemies as possible? I'm also acutely aware that it's a newbie town error just to lynch the most outspoken player d1. As to GB, I read his filter and nothing really jumped out at me. I agree with Rayn that his thread entry was highly counter-productive, and I do not agree with his outlook on blue roles in general. But anyone who was in the "why are scum winning" thread won't need me to rehash the whole GB fake cop check thing. TL:DR is that town GB makes fake blue claims which do reveal information but which also get him lynched. The whole thing is NAI for now. I've had a few beers and doing a find on many others filters on who interacts with each other (And NM has done it well) + Show Spoiler [Fidei scum reads superbia] + On September 11 2015 07:29 Fidei86 wrote: Okay. I think this game is actually really easy. I think the GB flip gave us a lot of information. TOWN Slam. He's on GB early, he never believes him, he doesn't want to move off him. Rayn. RIP buddy. Scott. I don't see any reason for a scum GB to cast suspicion on scott in a situation where neither of them looked like they were going to be the lynch at all. Scott also posted that he thought the early GB wagon was pure - no reason to confirm that many town as mafia. Fidei. Town Moses. I shall take us to the promised land! MEH MoosyDoosy. I really don't think it's possible to be this dumb and be mafia. Everything he has posted has been so laughably stupid that I think it probably comes from a place of genuine confusion. Cake. Nocturne Mage pointed out that she was early on the GB wagon. IDK about that - GB was one of her top three scum reads. But I think that town Cake likely just borrowed her reads from rayn. She also said some pretty rude things about GB in her list post, which was WAY before the GB wagon started. Boxerfred. He has been so inactive that it's difficult to get a good read on him. Also, he posted he had "no idea" on GB (#1163), which is usually a mafia-esque way to read your mafia buddy. He also made this really weird post at (#1169) where he asked me to give my reads on n00b and Cake, even after I feel like I'd said quite a few times that I didn't like the lynch on either of them. He is super meh. I have no particular reason to scum read him or town read him. NocturneMage. NocturneMage's writing style really grates me. It comes across as quite polished and clipped, but not fluid. His reads are also quite strange. At one point he town-read Bresh, but later said that it would be good for the cop to check him? I didn't like a lot of his posts, but he's clearly putting effort in. Also, he had an early post where he town-read Superbia and Bresh, so I don't see him being on a team with them. SCUM The main reason why I'm "meh" reading all of the above is because I'm pretty sure that the mafia pairing is Bresh and Superbia. Superbia. His early reads on GB are poor. He says "Do you really think GB is mafia here?" (#216) and then he later says "GB is idk". As I said above, this is a classic way for mafia to read mafia. He later says "Don't know about slam/gb. Both are very much on the sidelines." Pretty much all of his early filter are questions, and they don't seem massively pertinent ones either. They're mostly just prodding. On d2, right at the start, he asks for the CC without *any* reasoning whatosever. Then, again, he says at the beginning of N2 that the cop should post their checks EON 2, IN A SITUATION WHERE RAYN IS 99% THE DOCTOR AND WILL GET SHOT. He has a late cake town read that comes out of nowhere. Breshke. This one is easy, IMO. He has an early town read on GB which he doesn't explain, and which he takes back once GB comes under suspicion. He early votes on Slam with little/no justification. However, crucially, he basically rescinds his Slam read, but then LEAVES HIS VOTE ON SLAM TO EOD. He says he slept in. But his Slam vote went in super early. That makes no sense, particularly when he seems to indicate he has a scum read on n00b early on, and n00b is plainly a lynch candidate. Once GB fake claims, mafia know he's dead, so I don't think you get very much/any cred for that. I would say I'm much more certain on Bresh than I am on Superbia, but I still think this is by far the most likely scum team. Reasonable scumread here, makes sense - espicall from what we know now. And his quote on both here - On September 11 2015 07:29 Fidei86 wrote: Okay. I think this game is actually really easy. I think the GB flip gave us a lot of information. TOWN Slam. He's on GB early, he never believes him, he doesn't want to move off him. Rayn. RIP buddy. Scott. I don't see any reason for a scum GB to cast suspicion on scott in a situation where neither of them looked like they were going to be the lynch at all. Scott also posted that he thought the early GB wagon was pure - no reason to confirm that many town as mafia. Fidei. Town Moses. I shall take us to the promised land! MEH MoosyDoosy. I really don't think it's possible to be this dumb and be mafia. Everything he has posted has been so laughably stupid that I think it probably comes from a place of genuine confusion. Cake. Nocturne Mage pointed out that she was early on the GB wagon. IDK about that - GB was one of her top three scum reads. But I think that town Cake likely just borrowed her reads from rayn. She also said some pretty rude things about GB in her list post, which was WAY before the GB wagon started. Boxerfred. He has been so inactive that it's difficult to get a good read on him. Also, he posted he had "no idea" on GB (#1163), which is usually a mafia-esque way to read your mafia buddy. He also made this really weird post at (#1169) where he asked me to give my reads on n00b and Cake, even after I feel like I'd said quite a few times that I didn't like the lynch on either of them. He is super meh. I have no particular reason to scum read him or town read him. NocturneMage. NocturneMage's writing style really grates me. It comes across as quite polished and clipped, but not fluid. His reads are also quite strange. At one point he town-read Bresh, but later said that it would be good for the cop to check him? I didn't like a lot of his posts, but he's clearly putting effort in. Also, he had an early post where he town-read Superbia and Bresh, so I don't see him being on a team with them. SCUM The main reason why I'm "meh" reading all of the above is because I'm pretty sure that the mafia pairing is Bresh and Superbia. Superbia. His early reads on GB are poor. He says "Do you really think GB is mafia here?" (#216) and then he later says "GB is idk". As I said above, this is a classic way for mafia to read mafia. He later says "Don't know about slam/gb. Both are very much on the sidelines." Pretty much all of his early filter are questions, and they don't seem massively pertinent ones either. They're mostly just prodding. On d2, right at the start, he asks for the CC without *any* reasoning whatosever. Then, again, he says at the beginning of N2 that the cop should post their checks EON 2, IN A SITUATION WHERE RAYN IS 99% THE DOCTOR AND WILL GET SHOT. He has a late cake town read that comes out of nowhere. Breshke. This one is easy, IMO. He has an early town read on GB which he doesn't explain, and which he takes back once GB comes under suspicion. He early votes on Slam with little/no justification. However, crucially, he basically rescinds his Slam read, but then LEAVES HIS VOTE ON SLAM TO EOD. He says he slept in. But his Slam vote went in super early. That makes no sense, particularly when he seems to indicate he has a scum read on n00b early on, and n00b is plainly a lynch candidate. Once GB fake claims, mafia know he's dead, so I don't think you get very much/any cred for that. I would say I'm much more certain on Bresh than I am on Superbia, but I still think this is by far the most likely scum team. Good players etc Another call from Fidei On September 12 2015 01:20 Fidei86 wrote: I posted them just before the N2 flip. Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia. On September 12 2015 01:48 Fidei86 wrote: As far as I can see, Superbia has reached the conclusion that he isn't mafia with Bresh or MD, and Bresh has realised he has made a giant mistake. If that is honestly the grand sum of what that fight achieved, then yes, it was a waste of thread space. On September 12 2015 01:48 Fidei86 wrote: As far as I can see, Superbia has reached the conclusion that he isn't mafia with Bresh or MD, and Bresh has realised he has made a giant mistake. If that is honestly the grand sum of what that fight achieved, then yes, it was a waste of thread space. Breshke is the doctor. I thought Fidei was the cop. Fidei's thoughts are townie thru all of this. Fidei didn't know who either were (as did I) until now. Superbia is the last mafia. I'll filter dive some more and do more Ctrl-F, but once you go thru Fidei's filter - it all connects. Had a lot of beers, but just click the filter - click the all button - and do finds (we got two mafia already) Yeah bud Fidei you're town, I thought you were the cop (and I'm glad, mafia didn't know it was NM either so) - looking it all over it's all good. Remember peeps - Once Copcake dies the roleblocker - the rest of us do not have an agenda for anyone else | ||
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Why do you read Superbia town here? On September 06 2015 15:38 Alakaslam wrote: Oh, hi there. I don't think you are understanding CopCake in light of something very important. @CopCake: please read this first before the spoiler. Everyone else can skip straight to the spoiler. Adentro (?), yo - ah, insult?- su Ingles. Lo siento. Por favor, recordar yo es estudiante de Español que no sa- be o ve- bien. Y escuchar malo XD Entonces, primera la enojarsas possible diga me mejor accento en voice mafia, porque mi accento es MUY gringo... + Show Spoiler + English second language sir. I think some meaning is being lost in missing words here and there. English is a really wordy language, oftentimes I find I am misunderstood in written communications because I am busy being my odd self plus a slight latinization of my points. I don't read CopCake as scum at all thus far. She strikes me as frustrated but also kind of relying on Rayn as he is a good communicator who is also ESL. so, when Rayn largely disagrees with you and is being his usual bull-headed self, she strikes you as unreasonable to the point of suspicion. I didn't know Copcake was ESL until later in the thread. On September 07 2015 06:49 Alakaslam wrote: Noobking: not sure, townlean Glowinfbear: mafia CopCake: town So we all know this to be incorrect - but from a mafia standpoint - what makes the most sense? Slam gets quiet for a bit about Copcake until Mafia knows the setup though. Slam is an experienced player that could WIFOM this - ehhh? I thought Moosy was mafia and there is no way from it by his tunnel on Copcake. We know better now. "You were right!" Slam's interactions with Copcake feel more natural from what I've read. Superbia gets lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On September 16 2015 01:03 Superbia wrote: Boxerfred flipping town confirmed me town lmao. I was literally asking people to lynch him over me. ![[image loading]](http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/2/4/1/7/1/2/3/hahaha-no-108566526694.png) Then show how someone is a better choice then you. | ||
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On September 16 2015 07:36 Fidei86 wrote: I think that qualifies as the least exciting flip I've been through in TLM. I really think that town need to kick it back up a notch tonight. There's one mafia left, and we're in serious danger of AFKing through a Slam/Superbia lynch. Not that I don't currently think that that's a bad plan - I absolutely think we should lynch IN THAT ORDER (slam first, no quitters allowed at LYLO plox), but there is still tons of time for them to pick this up and turn it around if they're town. And at least one of them has to be. Anyway, realise that it's scummy to demand action and not take any myself. But really, without Superbia trying to find scum outside of Slam and me (which is useless to me, because I know I'm town and obviously Slam is the other lynch target), or Slam ... you know ... explaining his attempted seppuku, we're kind of stuck. I noticed Slam /out'ed of the other game and I know he was psyched to play that game - so I know he's not going to have much time - I'm glad he mentioned it, so I could. I would rather lynch Superbia, well because of votes - the above - among other things before Alakaslam. Could you elaborate more on it besides the quitting thing? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote: YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. This sounds familiar. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:54 Alakaslam wrote: And I vouch this, doesn't change my opinion on GB however Why not go for the ML? If he's mafia - he knows n00bking is town though - and I am as well. He's going to bus GB the whole time when no one was suspicious of GB so when town actually sees GB's scummyness we'll swap to him on a whim? | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:19 Superbia wrote: Can we be safe and just fucking lynch noobking? We can have a counterclaim and kill him tomorrow. Jesus. Covering for GB (which we know is mafia now) ? On September 07 2015 08:43 NocturneMage wrote: A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon If gb's claim is true, and for now we assume it is - then there's definitely a cop about. And no framer to mess about. I'd recommend to check into breshke/boxer/slam. MD has a 7 page filter which can be sorted out. Pretty slick here <3You played it well NM. On September 07 2015 11:10 scott31337 wrote: So In theory GB's claim will solve itself tomorrow and it's why I personally did not want to drain on it, but makes me curious why want you want to tonight - time zones? Do you think the claim is bullshit? Who else do you think are mafia? Makes a lot of sense now. I'm done reading thru the thread now - read until Day 1 and pointed out the things I found interesting. | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:58 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so I'm going to read GB's filter again. But I'm actually starting to think that one of the mafia might be Superbia. A quick flick through his four page filter gave me very little sense of where he actually stands, despite the fact that he keeps pushing everyone else for their views. He also seems to be on n00b, but he isn't chiming in with a read thereon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? I haven't seen many Superbia reads. Fidei Can you tell me your thought here? On September 07 2015 05:58 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so I'm going to read GB's filter again. But I'm actually starting to think that one of the mafia might be Superbia. A quick flick through his four page filter gave me very little sense of where he actually stands, despite the fact that he keeps pushing everyone else for their views. He also seems to be on n00b, but he isn't chiming in with a read thereon. Wondering if anyone else has any thoughts on this? I haven't seen many Superbia reads. On September 10 2015 09:44 Fidei86 wrote: MD: "Bussing" is thrown around a lot here, but honestly I've seen mafia pile on to plenty of mafia wagons. The thing to look out for is: 1. Does their vote feel organic and well supported by reasoning, or does it seem opportunistic; AND 2. Was their vote early enough that it actually made a difference, either in gaining the lynch momentum or pushing it over the edge? For me, I honestly had a pretty poor read on GB d1. I did post that his reads were all over the place, but it wasn't a hard read or anything. My reasoning for switching onto him was basically "I hate the Cake and the Rayn lynches", and GB seemed like the much better option to me. I was fourth or fifth onto him. So I was either the hammer, or I was near enough. On d1. I think it was fairly obvious that a big wagon was going to build on him (scott, for example, hadn't voted yet but he was scum reading GB), so I get less town cred than otherwise. But yeah, I think I should get a fair bit. I was also the only one making the obvious argument that GB's claim was rubbish and rayn's claim was correct. I get WAY less credit for that, because it was so frikkin' obvious. I've been playing voice all evening, so I'll have to follow-up the filters in the morning. A bit tinfoil - and I know geript is an awesome scum coach who I have I've worked with - but this almost feels like geript here giving advice you are parroting. | ||
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On September 16 2015 14:12 NocturneMage wrote: MoosyDoosy, the tinfoil mafia. Did MD have TMI on n00b? More TMI? The first post I do not see it at all - so help us out there what you are thinking. The second is a possibility though - a lot of wording about GB. Breshke got roleblocked and was guessed correctly by mafia as the doctor n2/d3. Fidei pointed out that the doctor cannot save the same person two nights in a row. Breshke's confirmed doc. Rayn died. Breshke was not faught on his save. I'm like in super tinfoil world here if Fidei is mafia. | ||
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On September 16 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: Eh, I’m pretty sure I’ll die. There’s literally no reason to keep me around unless mafia is trying to force some really hard tinfoil on me. oh yea, NocturneMage, did u ever finish that tinfoil case on me? I was kinda expecting it because I thought it’d be funny.  I disagree with this personally - would you elaborate? | ||
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On September 16 2015 14:15 NocturneMage wrote: If MoosyDoosy is in three man lylo with Superbia and Fidei....oh man. More tinfoil. Help me out here though - You're dead tomorrow. It's me/Scott, Slam, Fidei, MD, and Superbia. Only one mafia and four are town. Only town have partners - mafia does not. Superbia and Slam are sucking right now - I believe Slam's IRL excuse - Superbia has none at the moment. I've checked some tinfoil theories that MD is mafia - and I have to go in the cause that if he is - I give him the game for him on CopCake the WHOLE game. This theory is unreasonable - doesn't fit - doesn't make sense - deserves to win. If Fidei is mafia - yeah - <5% - basically tinfoil - I've read this thread multiple times - He was off on things, but his progression fits. I thought he was the cop but I was incorrect - and mafia didn't know either. It's why I townread him a little more than other people. Md had a decent point about Fidei "assuming" we are going to LYLO though. I've posted Superbia's wishy washyness - and reading the D1 filter on how the GB lynch went down - I'm about 89% sure he's the last mafia - unsure about GB - unsure about Copcake - the claims - I've posted all of this. Should be the lynch tomorrow. Slam did the magic phat bus (I'm claiming those words) on GB the whole game too if he's mafia. He was really posty (and was Breshke) that I feel fits a more town meta. I think I may break out some TL mafia database to back this up. Slam is still #2 and should be lynched next - 15%?. Reasonably, nothing else makes sense. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired). Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now. Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff. Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion. Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired). Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later. GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh. Rest also IDK. So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. I know I linked this post in my filter for a reason. | ||
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On September 15 2015 05:26 NocturneMage wrote: So all d1 superbia struggles with Copcake's alignment. Nearly all of d1. And then out of nowhere, this? Could "scumperbia" just have tried to ease off when the pressure was clearly off? any input? Re-read the bold NM showed here. | ||
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On September 16 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: Eh, I’m pretty sure I’ll die. There’s literally no reason to keep me around unless mafia is trying to force some really hard tinfoil on me. oh yea, NocturneMage, did u ever finish that tinfoil case on me? I was kinda expecting it because I thought it’d be funny. Your confidence here of you dying makes me wonder from my point of view. | ||
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I see Slam's thought process - and I've done a number of "Ctrl F" filter finds this time and posted all of my thoughts. So just to clarify- Slam looked worse until he actually posted his AFK reasoning AND out'ed of the other game that I know he wanted to play in due to who was in the game. I saw the /out - I waited for him to say it in the thread (So I don't get any crap for OGI) and then I replied to it and it all made sense. I re-read Superbia's, Slam's, Fidei's and GB's filter - I came to the conclusion that Superbia was scummier with his voting, interactions with GB/CopCake, the waffle on both - confirmed town posting, etc. Slam looked more natural, but you would be the first one I'd review if the game made it to LYLO and somehow Superbia is town (which is quite doubtful). I'll try to get some more time on later. | ||
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On September 19 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: The only thing that Superbia had of note in his filter was his solid belief that Alakaslam was Mafia. I'd like scott to explain a few things: - his read progression on CopCake - his read progression on me - his thoughts on Fidei/Alakaslam I pretty much went with town sentiment that CopCake was town d1/d2ish and then started being useless so she went downhill - and then the red check confirmation. I was suspicious of you basically the whole game - your d3 showed pretty townie (you stepped it up quite a bit) and with your tunnel on CopCake basically the whole game - after the check you basically have to be town or you did some next level award nomination mafia play. You are my #1 town read. Not much has really changed - I was pretty confident of Superbia being the last mafia - He finally steps it up when he's the lynch which is disappointing. (Work has sucked all week, usually it's been slow, but I've had to put out fires all week basically and haven't had time for the game, I apologize for that) Fidei seems like he's trying to solve the game. It pretty much has to be Alakaslam. | ||
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Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337 Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): Day 4 Votecount CopCake (6): scott31337, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Superbia, Alakaslam, Fidei86 NocturneMage (1):[/b] CopCake Not Voting (0): If CopCake doesn't watch it, they are liable to handelin' the wrong end of a pistol in with 6 votes. Please do not forget to vote. Day 5 Votecount Superbia (3): scott31337, MoosyDoosy, Fidei86 scott31337 (2): Alakaslam, Superbia Not Voting (0): [b]Currently Superbia is set to be fired by the flies. | ||
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So when I made the post a few hours ago - I intentionally wanted to show I was tunnelled on Alakaslam to see what happens in the thread and if I will be killed. I'm really not though - I'm willing to re-read everybody. I'm just trying to get more information. Moosy does deserve the next level mafia award if he's the last one, the tunnel on mafia is just such a crazy play. Yes, I don't mind re-reading, or researching, but that's just my point of view and we were outplayed - I don't believe the energy wasted here is worth it. If moosy dies, I'm really going to look at Fidei. If Fidei dies, I'm re-reading you, the whole fucking thing. Slam has shown some decent play in the last couple of days - although he thinks I'm the last mafia - I'm not though. He started on GB quite early, and I was next after GB - meta - his shit case on me - voting for rayn for bad reasons - I mean he was figured out, and his CC made us waste a lynch, but then he died. I'm thinking this guy is town though. If I die, be really suspicious of him. Fidei is making me the most suspicious at the moment - His interactions with Moosy have been pretty weird, like he's trying to throw some mud here and see what sticks. He tried a little bit with me (not much though) and a little bit with slam as well. I think he thinks I'm going for Slam, and if he is the last mafia - I want him to think this, and shoot Moosy in the next minute (Think's im stuck on Slam, Moosy is the most suspicious of thinking he's the last one, and who would solve the game and would get rid of him) If Slam somehow dies (Which I'm extremely doubtful on, but you never know, I'm not mafia deciding) I have to basically throw ALL this out the window and start from scratch - I just see him being the easiest mislynch at the moment. Stay open minded, re-read the whole fucking game, look at the votes, look at the agendas. We will win this game in the memory of Rayn and Nocturne! | ||
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On September 20 2015 08:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: Oh shoot. Fidei, I mean scott is Mafia here. Ummm, yeah... rofl | ||
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On September 05 2015 09:30 GlowingBear wrote: Well, if rayn is really ignoring me just because I made a joke I'm happy where my vote is placed at. I gave my opinion on why I think he is mafia and I invite everyone to read it. I also think MoosyDoosy might be mafia. I think Breshke looks townie. I think Superbia looks townie. I didn't like yamato's opening but I have nothing against his posts. His alignment gets clearer as the game goes by, so I won't worry about it now. I was wrong here, it's all true. On September 05 2015 14:56 GlowingBear wrote: Slam, he is the scummiest lurker. I have a slight scumread on Moosy doosy. It is for his earlier posts but his latest posts are contentful. I do know what to do out of his answer about noob king tho I have a slight scum read on Rayn, but he is reevaluating stuff like I would expect from a townie and he has been productive. I'm still forming my read on noobking. My problem is: if I admit he is scum, then Rayn is town. They are probably not Mafia together. Now I have scott who posted a bad reads post and pissed off. He played very poorly last game we played together tho. But I don't think I should give him leeway out of that. Where the fuck did his Moosy scumread go? He had no problem voting for me though. On September 06 2015 06:38 CopCake wrote: This honestly looks like you know that noobking is town. Mafia don't like having to lie, because it's easier to keep the story straight. On September 07 2015 05:05 CopCake wrote: noobking, moosy and gb. It was a fat bus the whole fucking game - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia - Damdred would be proud. | ||
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Day 1 Votecount GlowingBear (7): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, Fidei86, CopCake, boxerfred CopCake (3): n00bking, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage n00bking (1): Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): Currently, GlowingBear is fixin' to be jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 1- Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, Yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam CopCake (2): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): Currently, n00bking was jettisoned out the gorram cargo bay with 7 votes. -Final Day 2- Day 2 Votecount GlowingBear (9): raynpelikoneet, Fidei86, scott31337, Breshke, NocturneMage, Alakaslam, boxerfred, CopCake, Superbia CopCake (1): MoosyDoosy raynpelikoneet (1): GlowingBear Not Voting (0): In GlowingBear will be abandoned on the nearest moon with 9 votes. Please do not forget to vote. -Final Day 3- boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337 Superbia (3): Breshke, Fidei86, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): Day 4 Votecount CopCake (6): scott31337, NocturneMage, MoosyDoosy, Superbia, Alakaslam, Fidei86 NocturneMage (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): If CopCake doesn't watch it, they are liable to handelin' the wrong end of a pistol in with 6 votes. Please do not forget to vote. Day 5 Votecount Superbia (3): scott31337, MoosyDoosy, Fidei86 scott31337 (2): Alakaslam, Superbia Not Voting (0): Currently Superbia is set to be fired by the flies. | ||
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On September 20 2015 05:13 Alakaslam wrote: [/b]What does this prove? No matter what, scum have to be involved in a phat bus. And you were much faster leaving flowing bear, and the CopCake lynch is pure NAI obviously. You also voted Superbia, NAI! Me not voting him is just as NAI; as scum it makes more sense to repeat the CopCake lynch so that there is more ambiguity. Then scum can point anywhere; I voted with my belief. I left Bear because he claimed with very little time left. There was no CC. | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:15 Fidei86 wrote: Someone please explain to me how this post comes from anyone other than Mafia. There is 0 reason for town MD to make this post. | ||
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On September 19 2015 22:27 Fidei86 wrote: I'm warning you Moosy, if you're mafia, I *will* read your entire filter. Even if it takes me ALL NIGHT. Please do this tomorrow. | ||
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On September 20 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is Mafia play. Like there is no reason for him to vote for me and I don't even see him reviewing a world where Fidei is Mafia. He's just responding to my vote and case on him without thinking. This is basically tacitly that Fidei is town lol. No, it's not. There's two towns and one mafia. The mafia go after the low hanging fruit and have an agenda for it. There's two towns. One knows exactly what is going on already. The other has to figure out what is happening between the two. The second town may get confused of why the other two are so convinced, because he lacks the information the other already have - and it will almost look scummy why they are so convinced. | ||
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On September 19 2015 22:33 Fidei86 wrote: Need to read his full filter though. Right, time to stop filling up my filter. I will probably not be on until EON or later, as I'm going to watch a rugby match with my Dad in South London. I'm not going to leave a will, because I don't want to let Mafia WIFOM my death. But mak sure if you live you consider EVERYONE. Don't sleep walk into a lynch. Otherwise I will be raging super hard once I solve from obs. Shout out to my town bros. peace. Town. | ||
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On September 20 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote: Please explain to me my Mafia motivation for pushin you. If I'm Mafia, I kill you and then I vote whoever of slam and Scott I like. And I win because slam is basically afk. You must know I'm town. On September 20 2015 02:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: ... I swear to god that Mafia can literally just kill all the sensible townies and leave the crazy ones at the end to rip me apart with their nonsense. Then tell me why Fidei is not mafia MoosyDoosy? | ||
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On September 20 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is Mafia play. Like there is no reason for him to vote for me and I don't even see him reviewing a world where Fidei is Mafia. He's just responding to my vote and case on him without thinking. This is basically tacitly that Fidei is town lol. You fucked up going for me too early in the day- it was your downfall. It's your first mafia game, you did play well though. Lesson learned. | ||
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You went straight after me, so it made it clear in my opinion. I'm the victim - you are the puppetmaster - and Fidei is the puppet. That's how I know he is town. He has to make the right decision - you are trying to convince him of the incorrect one - ie the puppetmaster - and I'm the innocent victim. | ||
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On September 21 2015 09:51 Fidei86 wrote: How did I go ahead of MD in your scum read list Scott? I'm not 100% sure which part you are referring to, but I think you mean from after the lynch to day post to now? From your interaction with MD last night - I mean posts like this - On September 20 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote: Please explain to me my Mafia motivation for pushin you. If I'm Mafia, I kill you and then I vote whoever of slam and Scott I like. And I win because slam is basically afk. You must know I'm town. Are coming from a town perspective - and the other forbidden talk. I was still drinking the kool-aid on Moosy about CopCake, that it was such a bus happy world that it was unrealistic. I was mistaken after Slam died - because in my worlds I just didn't see it happening - -but it makes perfect sense now. I also know you are town by Moosy's actions when you see it from my point of view. I know it may look like "how is he so damn sure I am town unless he's mafia?" - just look at the posts I made earlier - It's how lylo works. I wasn't 100% sure until he voted for me though. | ||
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On September 21 2015 17:24 Fidei86 wrote: Scott that makes no sense though. In my world, the best Mafia play at LyLo is to have the two townies fight it out and then come down on one side. And that's where you seem to have been, until Moosy came onto you. But if you're town then don't you have to consider a world where it's me? I mean, it could be me? To you? It's not. But the fact that MD is voting for you doesn't make him Mafia. That's what I thought at first, and why I made that post just before deadline. What's his other option? Shoot you? That makes him look suspicious. Yes, me and slam can argue it out, but what's even better? The yolo play. I give him props for it. It's guardians all over again. Deja fucking vu. It's also more than the vote - it's how he came to the conclusion, how his beginning of day play was, and then the vote sealed it for me. It's also how he went after me fairly quickly in the day. If he was town he would be playing like you, unsure, rereading, etc. I know I'm town, I got a town pm. He knows I have a town pm. You are the investigator. You are the town's hope. I'll be at work in about an hour, and I'll try to check into the thread when I can. | ||
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On September 20 2015 11:28 scott31337 wrote: I was wrong here, it's all true. Where the fuck did his Moosy scumread go? He had no problem voting for me though. Mafia don't like having to lie, because it's easier to keep the story straight. It was a fat bus the whole fucking game - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/480965-mafia-mini-mafia2-another-miniature-game-of-mafia - Damdred would be proud. I re-read and did Ctrl-F's in Cop's and GB's filters - the whole plan was to just bus the hell out of each other and hope it confuses us town enough to victory. | ||
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On September 22 2015 02:35 Fidei86 wrote: EBWOP: Scott - you'll forgive me if I'm struggling with this a little. It seems to me that your progression is that at EON you had me as your number one scum. Yes, it was weak, but still. You said you were "most suspicious" of me. Or something like that. Anyway, Slam then flips, and all of a sudden you're town reading me. But only after Moosy comes out and says it's I recognise this is very frustrating if you are town, but I really need you to walk me through in as much detail as you can exactly the timeline of the last EON. Use short sentences and simple words if you think it necessary. I'll try my best. I was still believing that Moosy was not bussing because it seemed so next level at the time - that made me more suspicious of you before the day. I spent an hour writing up that last rites and waited for 29 after to post it - I was not thinking Slam would be killed. Day flips - Slam was killed. Your reaction to it (WIFOM) but it was like I wasted that whole hour writing it out for nothing, because it was unexpected and the last thing on my mind. After a few minutes - I thought - which of you two would do this? It's a great pin on Scott - who would get more leverage on their agenda? Moosy would - I posted my gut feeling in the thread - went to the store for some beer, and came back. By that time, moosy posted his Fidei mafia posts - and then his I was confused, It's scott for sure. Now, I don't know if it was because of my gut post - but he went after me fairly quicky - which made me suspicious as all hell. Why would Town!Moosy do this? He'd be like you - Is it Fidei? Is it Scott? is it all WIFOM? Why am I not dead? No, he went right after me, because for the nightkill - to put it on me, and then ML me for the win. His downfall is he did it too early without thinking critically. After his waffle and then on to me - he's locked on. I'm about 99% he's mafia here, trying to get the ML now. When he votes I'm 100% sure - so I vote for him. He doesn't have a townie mindet - he's got a mislynch and win mindset. | ||
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On September 13 2015 07:24 rsoultin wrote: Day 3 Alliance Surveillance Report DO NOT SHARE OR REPRODUCE THIS DOCUMENT! This report is for Alliance eyes only. It details information collected in secret regarding possible Rebel activity in the Outer Sector. Details: Data regarding the ship tagged Serenity is enclosed. Crew Compliment: Last reported at 13 Captain: Malcolm Reynolds, known Independent sympathizer Position: Uncertain Current suspect list and those implicating them: Superbia (3): scott31337, Breshke, Fidei86 boxerfred (3): MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, Alakaslam Fidei86 (1): Superbia MoosyDoosy (1): boxerfred scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Informing (0): Advised Action: Bounty Hunters dispatched and expected to arrive in , currently targeting Superbia due to suspicions reported by 3 Informants. Situation is subject to change. Updates should be reported. Reminder: A player cannot vote for himself. Anyone without a valid vote may be modkilled for not voting. Reporting Channel: tl.net.nsm014 Superbia was starting to put in some effort (just like he did on Day 5 too, but it's too little too late) and with a vote like this, mafia can manipulate it too easily - and Breshke seemed to be AFK. Remember Slam did that vote swap but it didn't change the result? | ||
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On September 22 2015 03:49 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so I think it's scott at the moment. EVERYONE FREAK OUT. Once you stop freaking out, my reasoning is on the Superbia/BF/Slam read progression you had after the Cake lynch. Like, you were hard-core scum reading Superbia, but then you choose to go for BF, when you could have easily hammered Superbia (or, you know, voted for him). Then you start hard scum-reading Superbia for POE reasons, in circumstances where Slam was hard town-reading you. It really came out of nowhere. Then you keep posting that it has to be slam, right up until EOD, when you're all of a sudden totally unsure of him. Now need to go read GB and Cake's filters. FML. "Then you keep posting that it has to be slam, right up until EOD, when you're all of a sudden totally unsure of him." I intentionally did this in the post before - did you read my last rites? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:53 scott31337 wrote: N00b is putting in a lot of posting and got a slight move up, but like what rayn says - he's not pushing anyone - like he's waiting to see what happens - and that makes me worried - He looks worse than the rest in the game - still #2. GB - I went over this already - #1 - voting him now I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him. GlowingBear (5): Alakaslam, scott31337, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, Fidei86 copcake (3): n00bking, moosydoosy, nocturnemage n00bking (3): CopCake, boxerfred, Superbia Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott310337 (1): GlowingBear the GB wagon looks pure and I think every one on him is town. I remember you commenting on this before Fidei, that a mafia would not "confirm" so many townies. Do you disagree with this now? | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: My gigantic case on CopCake. I suggest you read all of it because every bit relates to each other which is important. 1. CopCake gets hung up over inconsequential details and attempts to blow them out of proportion. + Show Spoiler + Cop asks me this pointless question early on which is easily explained and gets hung up over it. Just because I’m able to notice that they’re good friends shows in no way that I’m Mafia. It’s NAI or just shows that I’m perceptive. On September 05 2015 09:46 CopCake wrote: Sorry I am busy and how can Moosy be town? Like he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" Like how the fuck does he has that kind of info that we get along extremely too well? That's why I asked he says he was playing but he got it extremely right. + Show Spoiler + My comment was a joke but she tries to make something out of it. On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l. On September 05 2015 08:42 CopCake wrote: How exactly "rayn calmed down" when I got in? Couldn't he just calmed down on his own? 2. She continuously brings up points that were already addressed in an attempt to fill her arguments with filler. + Show Spoiler + Here I explain how I noticed rayn and her were good friends and she accepts it readily. Then…I’m scum read for it again in this post of hers? On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. + Show Spoiler + My post about rayn calming down once CopCake joined was also more of a joke AND I still explained it for her benefit but she STILL brings it up in the very same post. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said “rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. + Show Spoiler + I’ve already explained half her points but she brings them up again in order to make it look like her argument is compelling and has basis. In fact, she tries to stress it in her next post. On September 06 2015 06:12 CopCake wrote: Omg i wrote the biggest post so far this round. 3. CopCake’s tone. Yes. Tone is part of this case. + Show Spoiler + Her tone is VERY anti-town. Rather than pressuring people, she attempts to demean them which creates a bad town atmosphere. The following posts serve no other purpose in the thread other than to create filler and belittle others. On September 05 2015 10:38 CopCake wrote: someone is FROZEN On September 05 2015 10:55 CopCake wrote: Ok, let me predict the next post of moosy "lol bla bla bla i can't explain it" "insert some eminem song and a joke haha town" On September 05 2015 11:32 CopCake wrote: The fact he doesn't realize STUFF is pretty telling tho << talking about noobking. On September 05 2015 11:57 CopCake wrote: No reasons, how cute. This is like the third time you have been saying that shit. + Show Spoiler + If this was how she posts every time then I would accept it. After all, rayn has a very aggressive tone and isn’t afraid to push his weight around. HOWEVER, CopCake freely admits that her tone is fake. On September 05 2015 11:07 CopCake wrote: 1.- This is a community in which only few people know me. Pretty few people know me and rayn get a long too well and love to play with each other. I missunderstood you and I say sorry. It's pretty ok for me to panic when someone knows details about me and just makes me wonder "how do they know this shit", it's obvious. 2.- I am not nooby, in fact I am bragging a lot. 3.- I am not sheeping rayn, he changed his vote to alakazam and i am on noobking, i even said he is frozen. 4.- Never came in a real conclusion? I didn't like he hasn't come and is fighting me when 5 min ago or less he was being pretty active, he got FROZEN, he doesn't have an answer. This game will be easy. If you go back and read her posts, they are clearly an act. She’s trying to seem confident and tries to throw her weight around and establish thread presence. These are all things Mafia would do to try and pull of mislynches. Here she’s creating bad town atmosphere with me and n00bKing in order to create the thread presence to lynch us. (btw, I didn’t fall for this although n00bKing sadly did) + Show Spoiler + I don’t like to keep bringing this up, but this post just clearly outlines how she’s trying to create bad town atmosphere. On September 06 2015 06:10 CopCake wrote: For the list so far that has been participating: MoosyDoosy: He has an obsessions with my posts and i don't know why. When I arrived he said "rayn calmed down when cake arrived" which is like ???? he claims it is because rayn got happy in the sign up thread but it kinda looked like he was waiting for me. Since then he hasn't fucked stopped. He claims that my posts are "useless" and I beg to differ. He also says that I have been pocketing people (lol the workd pocketing) which is NOT TRUE because I am like, getting my own info on my own way, if I was POCKETING people I have my own ways and I have been doing a bad job pocketing if people have eyes on me, no? Oh the irony, so yeah you also fucking need to stop people to ASK WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND SHARE WHAT THE FUCK YOU THING BESIDES ME if you are fucking town, i don't know why rayn thinks you are town, effort? that's what people is saying so far but you just checking every step i do with a giant glass is what i don't call effort. When you asked glowing bear about what he thinks your answer was just "mmm" I mean it looks like you REALLY TRIED and CARED for his opinnion, I think you are pretending to put effort but you are actually doing nothing, you are just doing a mimic of what a town looks like. "HEY LOOK AT ME I AM ASKING QUESTIONS HEY EMINEM SONG" and guess what? you stopped to share eminem songs or whatever when i called out your bullshit. Besides being full of filler as I already pointed out, this whole thing tries to make it look like I’m making little sense when I’ve already explained away half her arguments. I know I’m focusing a bit on the parts where she interacts with me, but the same goes for n00bKing. She’s trying to create easy mislynches on the the both of us especially since I associate myself so much with n00bKing who everyone is reading as Mafia. + Show Spoiler + I’d also like people to look back carefully at my interaction with CopCake. I ALWAYS make the effort to respond calmly. I ALWAYS make the effort to explain why I’m doing what I’m doing and give reasons for my reads when she asks. But in return all she does is yell at me and get worked up over my calm answers. This is because she’s feeling the pressure from being pointed out as Mafia. A townie would calmly brush away the suspicion but she’s caught and attempts to clear the suspicion through yelling and making it seem like my answers are bad. 4. CopCake tries to pocket. + Show Spoiler + As we all know, rayn doesn’t pull his punches and he has big thread presence. It would make absolute sense for Mafia to cuddle up to him in order to be townread and defended by him. These posts just show that she’s trying to do this where she defends him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to) and tries to lynch the same person as him (for bad reasons which I’ll get to). On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote: Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game. When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote: Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. On September 05 2015 11:54 CopCake wrote: Rayn soneji killed you in the other game. I am laughing so hard. On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote: I don't like noobking for this things: > How he voted you > Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but but the BIG BUT IS > it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia. Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote: Eh ok. Noobking TALK TO ME and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES. look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer. I hope you understand that. 5. CopCake uses terrible reasoning and isn’t clearly reading the thread. + Show Spoiler + As promised, I’ll point out why her defense of rayn is so bad. First is this post: On September 05 2015 11:09 CopCake wrote: Dude there's one thing that makes rayn PRETTY TOWNIE and a fucking OBVIOUS ONE. The whole thing when GB claimed. Pls. This DOES NOT show rayn is town but in fact shows that he is Mafia. Mafia would try and get hung up over little details and blow them out of proportion to force a mislynch. The only reason why rayn would be read as town this early is meta: basically his eagerness to dive into the thread and his standard aggressive townie manner. + Show Spoiler + CopCake’s arguments to vote n00bKing are terrible as well. This is her case against him: On September 05 2015 10:17 CopCake wrote: I don't like noobking for this things: > How he voted you > Then he is like saying you are not using logic. To be fair yeah, sometimes YOU DON'T MAKE LOGIC but to SOME PEOPLE, to some of us we find your arguments pretty good but but the BIG BUT IS > it doesn't matter if you are going in circles or not making "sense" (which is subjective) when you put a lot of effort and are agressive asking is pretty much a big town lean of you so I don't know where he gets you might be mafia. Besides it's pretty obvious for the way you took Glowing bear claim. Point 1 makes no sense. There have been some points stated against rayn (which I’ll go into in the next spoiler) but she brushes them aside. There is no reason to immediately say that rayn is town but she does so almost as if she has TMI. Point 2 makes less sense. It’s not even a point. “You sometimes don’t make logic to some people, but because you make logic to some people which is subjective, so you are town because you are aggressive.” She talks about two different things (logic and rayn’s aggressiveness) and…I’m sorry but I don’t even know. The part after the but makes no sense either. My head hurts trying to read this. + Show Spoiler + Now she asks n00bKing why rayn’s Mafia which has been provided a BUNCH of times. Here’s her question: On September 05 2015 10:35 CopCake wrote: Eh ok. Noobking TALK TO ME and tell me why rayn is mafia in YOUR EYES. look at my post where i say why i consider him town, because i won't accept "analyzing little details" as an answer. I hope you understand that. The points against rayn at that point in the game are as follows. 1. He was using meta reads for Alakaslam when he normally uses harder material. 2. He was using tone reads for yamato77 when he normally uses harder material. 3. He doesn’t seem to question his reads afterwards on both Alakaslam and yamato but easily gives way that Slam is probably town and continues to maintain that yamato is town with no question. 4. He blowed the GlowingBear claim out of proportion when it was a joke. The interesting thing is that CopCake says that rayn normally doesn’t use meta and town reads: On September 05 2015 10:21 CopCake wrote: Besides when rayn is mafia he nip tick pretty shitty things and goes like "oh but i know this person, her tone is this etc" like when he got rsoultin in day 1 in one game. When rayn uses more "tone reads and emotional reads" he tends to be mafia. But here he is CLEARLY doing that but she thinks that he’s town?? Meanwhile she reads both me AND n00bKing as scum for pointing this out. This is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION. This shows she’s not reading the thread and she’s trying hard to force a mislynch. Note that she doesn’t even follow up on this either even though BOTH of us have explained this. 6. She’s now hiding + Show Spoiler + Self-explanatory. Literally non-existent now. Speaks for itself. While rayn and Fidei are hammering at me about not posting a stance on the claims, she gets away with it? I think that rayn is too biased when it comes to her, but Fidei. Okay. Posting case now at Superbia’s request. On September 08 2015 10:15 scott31337 wrote: The case is okay - not great - Seems to be quite a bit of confirmation bias in it though. What if I said that #4 feels more like that you know rayn is town? Remember when I said this and when I read your case, this stuck out at me - that #4 you know Rayn is town from TMI. Can you explain this for me? | ||
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On September 22 2015 04:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: I don't have more to say. scott is Mafia here. I was looking to see who scum read me or not and then posted my test case to see scott's reaction. He responded how Mafia would and spewed you town in the process. His reads don't add up. I went from town to scum and you from scum to town. Other things like how he forgot how he read me. Also how he immediately finds it acceptable to think I would have been busing when he made a large post about how busing is not likely. It's 2-1 LYLO - you use the information in the thread to pull up information on what's scummy, what are the agendas of people, etc. I was in the dark until you killed Alakaslam - and now I see the light. I didn't come from Day 5 and play the tunnel game, or kept my reads static - I thought of what the mafia agenda was - and I reversed my read. Looking back, I should've waffled more (I knew what was going on in Guardians, and it could be my downfall here as well) - but it's only my second LYLO as town - I'll get experience and learn. | ||
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#2 - His reluctance for GB and voting CopCake since he knew they were both Mafia but he comes out like roses after the red check (or when if/when we finally lynch them) #3 - His Blue hunting on N2 and not believing Rayn's fakeclaim after we lynched GB and flipped Mafia - There was no town agenda here. | ||
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On September 10 2015 10:14 Fidei86 wrote: Like, what even is this post? You've been scum reading Cake all game, and I feel like you've been softing me for a while. Then you come out after Rayn says he thinks we're both town (idk how doctor would even confirm someone when the night kill went through n1), and basically say "oh cool, I've been wrong all game, but happy to take your word for it!" And then you include yourself in the possible scum list?!? ... Ugh. If you're town, you're playing such a weird game, I don't even know. I thought you were too dumb to be Mafia, but you're testing that read now. | ||
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On September 10 2015 11:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: the rest is self explanatory but since gb let it slip we have a doc, that means we also have a cop. and i was saying and agreeing with you that the cop shouldn't claim in order to have 2 more nights. I see this as a partial it On September 10 2015 11:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all you ahev absolutely no idea what would "fit my character" or what does not. Second, if you were town and you believed you are right here (that i am fakeclaiming), you would be happy about it and shut up, because that would result in mafia shooting me (as NOONE except you in this game believes this is the case) and the real doctor doccing me. So yeah, what you are saying here doesn't make a single bit of sense from town perspective. Third, i have never implied i think Cake is the cop. I don't bluehunt when i am town. When a blue flips or outs i see if it makes sense or not. | ||
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On September 10 2015 10:31 scott31337 wrote: So GB still interacts with me through the whole thread, even though he thinks I am mafia. Gb didn't interact for shit with fidei except here (if you call it that) but he tHinks he is mafia also. Hmmm More filter reading. Remember when I made this post? | ||
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On September 10 2015 11:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok. i already provided reasoning early on as to why your claim would have been false which apparently also falls into your whole timeline of GB convincing me about you. like sure if you want to think that lol. it’s completely in your character to do a fake claim in order to force a lynch that you’re positive in whether you think that of yourself or not. -shrugs- if this was your case i’m kind of disappointed. all it provides is: “lynch these people and then do this based on the results” i’d also like your reasoning as to why you think copcake is the cop? Like this crap too... | ||
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I need help in LYLO - was I too quick on Moosy after I knew he was mafia? I think being too convinced is my downfall here and in Guardians, because the Puppet doesn't know why the mafia and the innocent child are so convinced. | ||
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And I saw you post in the OBS QT - http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/Bg6tHmUyTug9 SCOTT TAKE MY ENERGY I thought it might spark something there reposting. I didn't want to link the game so Moosy could use it against me. GG - I just need to be less scummy in LYLO. Fidei play me again | ||
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omgus? hehe | ||
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On September 23 2015 20:44 Fidei86 wrote: Why won't this thread die and let my shame die with with:-( It's for a learning experience, not a shame fest. Don't take it that way, bud. Gg | ||
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