Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly

On August 26 2015 11:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
/in

On September 04 2015 03:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I like this line up. Especially the first two sign ups.

By the way, I will try and stick true to my Day 1 meta folks so get ready for a roller coaster ride.

On September 05 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
Of all the people in the game, I have the least reasons to like GB's posting.

On September 05 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GlowingBear final anwer, are you claiming a vigilante or not?

On September 05 2015 08:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I feel like it's NAI. It's probably a mix of pun and an observation. If yo uboth are town then you both are going to show something for it. and if u don't then it's an easy way to make some reads off of making an inner circle early on yeah? just some thoughts

On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Of course we are. The reason i am reading yamato town is because i talked with him on TS last night and he has rolled mafia for like 5 games in a row or something and i told him "hey let's wreck mafia if we are both town, it would be nice to play with you when you are actually town and play".

He basically promised to play in his first post, because he seems interested in the game and happy. If it's a fake post then i will 100% figure it out based on his play AFTERWARDS, but as per now there is zero reason to think yamato is mafia.

I don't really get what you are saying here. Like are you suggesting posts that do not make any sense and do not help town find mafia are not scummy? Because in my opinion they are. Again there was no reason for him to make the post from town perspective, hell he himself clarified that already. Like obviously he is not 100% mafia, which is why i am not voting for him, but that was a HUGE red flag for me. So if Breshke is town he better shape up, because he is actually a decent player when he plays, and i expect everyone who is town to play. What he did so far is far from decent.

Superbia can go to townpile aswell.

On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't care i stopped reading his posts.
I hope a vigilante shoots him.

On September 05 2015 08:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
i like how rayn immediately becomes less angry when copcake entered the thread. we need to keep her alive to calm him down l0l.

On September 05 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing n00bKing. Just a question: Are you mafia?

On September 05 2015 09:05 Breshke wrote:


I still disagree. I don't think GB was being serious.Can i ask why you needed clarification in the first place? Why did it matter to you if GB was vigi or not?

On September 05 2015 08:59 GlowingBear wrote:

This is some of the worst reasons to read yamato. You're basically saying he is town because he promised to play. And you're assuming he is fulfilling his promise because he had an opening.

I find hard to believe such retarded reasoning could come from such a good player as you.

Breshke is mafia because he posted just to post on the very first hour of the game

I am mafia because I refuse to clarify a claim and you SHOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M DOING BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS CLAIM COP AT THE BEGINNING OF EVERY GAME

Yamato is town because he had a happy opening.

Everything you're saying here is bullshit

On September 05 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Really? I actually thought that most of what GlowingBear wrote was garbage. But then again, I do tone reads and I like rayn's tone. Although I did think that it was weird that he's basing some of his reads on tone when he normally relies on more substantive stuff.

On September 05 2015 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:

and no im not saying what ur saying doesn't make sense. what i AM saying is that ur nitpicking over a post. because i actually thought that u and yamato associating with each other was a bit strange and i was looking to see what u guys did further.

On September 05 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:
This was Breshke's post. In this his tone is sarcastic which matches his general acerbic posting.

On September 05 2015 09:49 n00bKing wrote:

There's no need to be trying to press someone for reads at this point. Allow CopCake to participate in the way that he/she is comfortable doing, instead of giving him/her an excuse to make some worthless list post and then clam up or leave.

On September 05 2015 09:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:

aight let's back off a bit folks. i don't need u 2 fighting rite now when im townreading u both.

On September 05 2015 09:54 Breshke wrote:
Im confused. Which post are people asking if it was sarcastic? The yamato/rayn one?

IDK if i would call it sarcasm it was more a joke im not sure if it is exactly sarcasm though because if rayn and yamato are town and both want to try hard this game then I believe they can very likely get us scum lynches.

On September 05 2015 10:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It is an attitude thing. I have played on VS where people tended to post nothing important on D1 before i started playing there. You can usually tell if people are just "hanging around" and most likely town, or mafia who try to say something even semi-game related.

I thought that was what Breshke was doing (the latter), but i was probably wrong.
I don't see anything wrong in Moosy's early posting.

If you have something you feel like i should re-look in a different light please let me know.

On September 05 2015 11:21 GlowingBear wrote:
noob what do you think of moosy doosy? what are your reads other than rayn?

On September 05 2015 10:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:

mmm...I consider myself the best person in this game to read n00bKing rite now so i know what im doing sir. and everything else i've been doing actually does make sense too.

btw have u listened to Eminem - Mockingbird? it's so sad but gr8 m8. kinda funny because the bird got its name for sounding like its mocking people when it's actually not.

On September 05 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:

im guessing this was the question.

1. eminem doesn't like u.
2. i already said this but n00bKing is town. he's acting like his town game rite now although it would help if u guys stopped antagonizing him. like don't worry he's probably working on a big case right now because that's what he does. he asks a bunch of questions then writes a big case. the reason why rayn probably doesn't know this is because he was in the game where n00bKing was scum and didn't do this.
3. also, the point of me asking him was to set a rapport. the biggest tell in n00bking's scum game is how he posts. he posts more friendly/has more rapport as a scum. however, what he did was respond and then got to business straight away. this leads me to believe him as a town as he focused straight away after acknowledging me. and it's natural for him to acknowledge me because i've been in all of his past games and we've done some good work together.

On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God.

n00bKing wrote:having so much crossover in the player lists for the Newbie games is making it feel more like a "community" I guess. In the first game, I didn't know anyone so there wasn't anything to do but get down to business. I am also in a lighter mood because my move is finished (whereas it was in-progress during the first game, and I was busy unpacking all the time during the second game) and because my birthday is this weekend. w00t!

On September 05 2015 11:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

OK I DON'T LIKE COPCAKE RITE NOW.

On September 05 2015 10:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
so ur basically just sheeping rayn, copcake?

On September 05 2015 12:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:

that was the most obvious attempt at pocketing. copcake is playing up the noob/buddy ante really hard rite now.

On September 06 2015 01:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
n00bKing. For one moment, say that you believe that rayn is town. Who would you look at next if that was the case?

On September 06 2015 02:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:
rayn were u harboring legit suspicions on Alakaslam earlier?

On September 05 2015 14:23 n00bKing wrote:

Agree.

On September 06 2015 02:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:


ohhhkay, then i actually think slam is town because of this:

On September 05 2015 13:35 GlowingBear wrote:


He looks pretty young to me.

There is a bear in the cage. Just FYI

Slam, rayn did not cast suspicions on you so he could catch lazy mafia trying to lynch town slam. Otherwise, he would be on Breshke's and mine skin before you.

It looked like a pressure vote.

On September 05 2015 13:35 Breshke wrote:


How did it throw me off? You are just creating a narrative that fits your world.

On September 06 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia said he's gonna be afk for saturday so i don't think that means anything.

On September 06 2015 02:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:

basically slam said that u were suspecting him but was pushing n00bKing more:



looking thru ur filter that looked to be the case, altho u did drop suspicion on slam rather quickly in this post.


but ur response makes sense because i tone read slam as happy and mafia people are mostly sad so i don't think this is important.

in the quote where i said slam was town, breshke/n00bking were saying that slam was stating that rayn was using him to catch lazy mafia. but as both of u said, ur suspicion on slam was real, so what both of them were saying was false. agreeing with breshke/n00bking would have been the easy way out as he was coming off as town read from the interaction anyway, but he actually stuck to his story.

-shrugs- the reasoning is a bit convoluted but it works out if u look at it in context. either way, slam is town from both tone reads and thread proof.

On September 06 2015 03:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Well then enlighten me because you and rayn apparently play with her a lot. Is this what she normally does?

Because to an outsider, it looks a hella like a bunch of filler posts/sheeping people/pocketing people.

Also, I am in no way obsessed with her right now. If I were I would be pushing for her lynch hard but rayn is holding me back and I'm inclined to believe him.

On September 06 2015 03:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, where is scott for you? null, mafia lean, or town lean?

On September 05 2015 14:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Moist could be marshy, if I am actually hitting the nail on the head.

Which would explain things, and would make him (probably?) town

On July 24 2015 10:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On that note n00bKing you seem a lot more friendly in this game than in others. At least you're posting a lot more fluff here and responding to more stuff than going down to business like you normally would. Any particular reason why?

On July 24 2015 07:29 n00bKing wrote:

Meh, I don't get people's reluctance to play as Scum. Granted, this is only my third game here, but I think it'll be exciting, whenever I finally get a chance to kill some of you people. Blue role? Sure, cool, I'll take that. But I'd rather be Scum than VT (maybe I'll feel differently once it actually happens.)

On July 24 2015 04:53 n00bKing wrote:
The snow glows white on the mountain tonight, not a footprint to be seen...

On July 27 2015 06:44 n00bKing wrote:
Dear Bad Guys,

I know that the Mafia attacked me on Night 1 of Newbie 11, and that they attacked me on Night 2 of Newbie 12. So maybe you are thinking of attacking me tonight, too. But don't do it!



Don't kill me on my birthday, you dicks!

On September 05 2015 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Moosy i see a certain difference in his play (and in the last game) here and in his play on those games.
He as mafia picks a target and pushes it into oblivion.
He as town, well see my last post and turn it around. He actually listens to other people.

On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote:
Also hi replacement.

On September 06 2015 06:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
yamato will you agree to this gamble as well?

On September 06 2015 06:34 Superbia wrote:


I kind of hate this.

On September 06 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I am fairly sure n00bKing's town. When he was Mafia, he was stirring up all sorts of chaos during the game without giving any definitive reads. Here, he's still willing to participate and he gave reads on several people. His tone is all business unlike his Mafia game.

Granted he is overreacting that TL Mafia sucks and that his ego was hurt, but those are all actually n00bKing town tells as well.

On September 06 2015 06:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

ok like what's the point of this post. ur not even refuting anything just saying something that a mafia could easily say and then trying to attack me personally. rather than doing that you can try and be productive so that rayn's magic town read of you comes true in my eyes. because right now u are super scummy to me.

On September 06 2015 06:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Ok, I could tackle your post about me but i'll just say one thing here.

when i asked glowingbear about his opinion on scott, he had said that scott's reads made sense in the post directly before. but glowingbear on scott's directly previous post had said he had made a shit post. so i was looking to catch GB in a trap. if he had said scott looked townie then he was almost certainly mafia in my eyes. instead, he said that he still had him as null/scum for previous shit posts.

so GB effectively avoided the trap which prompted my 'mmm...ok' response. he had responded in the best possible way which made me townread him.

on the other hand when i try to prompt u (copcake) to help us out, all u seem to want to do is rage at me even though i'm completely willing to listen to other's opinions on you and i am in fact actively searching for such opinions. this can only make me A. hurt and B. suspicious that you're getting so angry over really nothing. even now u seem to be unable to see the traps and the ulterior motives behind my seemingly pointless questions which just makes me more suspicious.

HOWEVER, the only reason why i am not pressing on you too hard right now is because both rayn/yamato in my townie circle seem to think ur town.

On September 06 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:

you clearly. but im actually waiting for NocturneMage to finish his reads and get his opinion on the matter.

On September 06 2015 09:03 Fidei86 wrote:

Okay, so this post. WTF.

I started off by running through all the reads one by one, but the thing that really sticks out here is that MD's previous five pages of filter are basically just a defence of n00b. MD goes as far as to say that he has the best read on n00b of everyone in the game, and that he is basically SURE that this is n00b's town meta. But now that there's a wagon picking up on n00b, he's trying to walk that back? Huh? MD you really need to explain this read for me, because at the moment it really stinks.

On September 06 2015 08:47 Fidei86 wrote:
It seems to me like the most important event today so far is the shit-fight between rayn and n00b. Rayn looks pretty obviously town to me. This is exactly the same as his town meta in voice-mafia, he tries to lead the discussion right from the front, ask questions, point things out and generally just be loud. I do think that a couple of his pushes have been a little questionable - the whole Breshke "yamato/rayn magic" thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion, and I think people were right to point this out. But, yeah, that's what I would have expected from town rayn.

I hate n00b's style of posting, because there's really no reason to be so rude. I get it, you think that you're better than us all. That's fine, you might well be. But you can't honestly be surprised to find people don't like arrogant, superior people. And you're doing both in spades. If you're town, you're just digging your own grave at the moment.

The post I most disliked from n00bking was #801. I think it's worth me quoting it in full:



I'm sitting here reading this post, and I just keep asking myself "why does a town n00b make this post?". The only reason to call people's posts bad, without following with a read on the poster, is if you're trying to stop momentum on a wagon you think is wrong. Otherwise, you're just soft-scumming the poster. I would say probably half of n00b's filter up to now is his fight with rayn. And through all of that, he hasn't actually formed a read on him yet? How does that even make sense? If n00b is town, I don't get why he essentially causes the entirety of d1 to be about his fight with rayn, someone he doesn't even seem to have a scum read on ???

n00b is a scum-read for now.

That said, there are a ton of other interesting things about this fight that are worth pondering. Yamato's thread is one I think is worth parsing a little more. He again seems to have been swept up in the fight, and is taking lots of swings at n00b. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to Yamato on TS, and I would say off the bat that his posts sound like him. But at the same time, he's a strong player and his absolute focus on n00b this early seems a little off. I'm also not sure that his post #598 makes a ton of sense. Rayn's read on Yamato is flimsy, at best. Even rayn would surely have to admit that trying to discern someone's alignment from how excited they are in their first post is pretty difficult. For two people who only know each other over the internet, it would be basically impossible. So why is yamato so keen to emphasise that he and rayn are hard town-reading each other?

I think I will read Moosy and GB's filters, then head to bed. Any questions, fire away in the meantime.

On September 06 2015 01:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

there's no way to read you when you've literally done nothing so far. but i am interested in knowing what your thoughts on CopCake and n00bKing are.

On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:
But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways.

On September 07 2015 07:20 n00bKing wrote:

If you claim Vigilante in a ruleset where you're the Doctor, the Cop would know you are lying.

On September 07 2015 07:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

im not up for this. gb's thought process makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. why would he think cop would check him unless he's godfather???

On September 07 2015 07:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:

he is playing like trash then lol

On September 07 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:

-.- this is very true. and this is indicative of ur scum play tbh n00bKing.

On September 07 2015 07:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:

rayn don't lynch n00bKing. he is like my strongest town read besides you.

On September 07 2015 07:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:

ugh rayn i told u n00bking was town

On September 07 2015 07:44 Superbia wrote:
Also Fidei86's switch to some random wagon was pretty scummy.

On September 07 2015 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:

what do u want for this/?

On September 05 2015 11:17 GlowingBear wrote:


It's a "reminder" in a fluff.

Give this guy a medal.

Meh, I'm voting slam.

On September 05 2015 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:

Please make sure this doesn't turn into simply joining a fray.

If they talk past each other, what makes you certain they don't just talk past you?

Granted I have no memory of you, so fish mah man

Rayn has meta reason as strong as my real reason for being away. Do him no discredit for his read of me, but please see it's prematurity.

He is a townread. Yamato another townread. Still reading.

On September 05 2015 13:21 Alakaslam wrote:

Dude is this your first time being scum?

For your next game: you skimmed the thread and picked up on the general few people weakly agreeing with what Rayn mentioned all the time in passing and made a few strong key statements about.

This made you think there was good reason and thread sentiment there to get me lynched.

Rayn has been dissonant In a way the people at smashboards think is a tell (I am a little surprised none of the newbies except NK picked up on it) because they aren't so good as they think they are.

Rayn has talked about me in a post saying I am just shy of confirmed scum and then voted someone else. He was pushing me hard, saying a good bit about NK, and then BAM- votes NK, not me.

That's usually considered scummy, but I know what he is doing and besides it isn't actually as scummy as people think.

Regardless, it threw you off but set you up with an excuse to vote me. This is also why k am hoping GB is on your team.

On September 05 2015 13:56 Alakaslam wrote:

Why

If you leave I will suspicious of you agai

On September 08 2015 02:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

mmm…ok. by the way if you’re town you’ve broken all records on your meta for actually participating.

which brings me to this question.

your tone throughout this game is excited which is normally associated with a townie as they feel free more often than not. but it sounds like you like being mafia better here?

might be nothing but i’m covering my bases right now.

On September 08 2015 03:36 MoosyDoosy wrote:

? what's your smashboards id?

On September 08 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote:

um...ok. i'll just ignore this for now because this is blatantly false.

On September 08 2015 08:13 GlowingBear wrote:


His claim is obviously fake. It's clearly out of rage, wether it's forced or not.

On September 08 2015 08:37 Alakaslam wrote:
The tinfoil is strong

Rayn what do you think of this? Is there some flaw in my logic? Am I too tinfoil?

On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this.

On September 08 2015 08:58 MoosyDoosy wrote:
eh. i still think it's copcake + fidei with someone else but i might be getting too tunneled. fidei comes off looking worse from this.

On September 08 2015 09:05 Fidei86 wrote:

BEFORE I GO TO BED I WANT TO POINT OUT IN ALL CAPITALS THAT MOOSY HAS NEITHER OF THE CLAIMED F****** DOCTORS IN HIS F****** SCUM LIST. LIKE IT MIGHT NOT BE EITHER OF THEM?

Are you kidding me with this shit?

On September 08 2015 09:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:

rayn counterclaims because he's angry and thinks gb is bad at the game.
i still think gb claim is BS.

On September 08 2015 09:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:

no this can be false because i think you are angry as you are right now and that you're putting enough faith into your gb read to try and kill him.

On September 08 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:

if rayn is willing to calm down and listen i will provide why she is mafia.

On September 08 2015 09:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:

c00l one mo im adding one little bit at the end.

...rayn are you willing to at least read through the whole thing please?