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holy fucking shit
i want to know why trfel changed his read in between with such basic ls answers
you have turned it into 2 pages of useless shit and you don't even know the answer
fuck off
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On July 07 2015 09:04 Holyflare wrote:
like if you're going to blindly defend him again then just don't even bother with your sarcastic "you should just read" crap when it doesn't answer my questions at all, either answer on behalf of him or don't interject at all?
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just get out seriously
you said you'd leave and you're perpetuating useless theatrics for no reason, I want answers and you're prohibiting them.
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On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS. However On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then? Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims? I don't have a read on him. Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his? I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky. I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike. hts saw the questioning why are you so blind, hf? QUESTIONING QUESTIONING what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him none of those are answers
quite clearly questions
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On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.
You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.
no shit i'd absolutely love to I just want answers from people and she makes it literally impossible
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On July 07 2015 09:38 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
holy fucking shit
i want to know why trfel changed his read in between with such basic ls answers
you have turned it into 2 pages of useless shit and you don't even know the answer
fuck off Wouldn't call her perspective "useless shit" tbh, if you're scumreading someone or looking close at someone you probably want to see for yourself whether what they are saying could make sense...
I mean the response of "it should be obvious are you blind" is clearly not helpful in response to the question "why are you scum reading ls for no change in ls' posting"
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there are many questions in my filter, pointing out something does not = sniping and who cares, sniping means nothing
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also geript i don't know about the meta so i can't really comment on it's accuracy so it's kind of a giant wall of text right now, trfel's new post is like wtf since he scum reads ls for something his town read and I have said is town indicative from LS and if he was reading the thread there's no way he misses that
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Original Message From Trfel: Hopefully we can someday! Probably will, since you play so much, haha. Show nested quote +Original Message From Holyflare: well at least I knew what you were saying and that's all that matters! If you were in a game with me we would just wreck! Original Message From Trfel: My play was abrasive, and I didn't give everyone a fair chance. Plus, I was lazy with my posting style and made excessively long posts without remembering to cut down and format them to be easy to read. Basically, the vast majority of my content ended up in poorly formatted posts, while surrounded in unimportant content. So most players weren't willing/able to find out what I was actually getting at. Original Message From Holyflare: nah dude it wasn't garbage at all, you played really well, sometimes things just go badly! It's exceptionally hard when you're in a newbie game (like 10x harder than a normal) since newbies do such scummy things all the time Original Message From Trfel: My play was absolute garbage. It wasn't mafia play, it was just bad play. I think I figured out what the errors were, the hard part is correcting them. Maybe next time. Original Message From Holyflare: i would have never have thought you were mafia by the way Original Message From Trfel: Good game. I tried. Original Message From Holyflare: gg 
i will never forget this and in comparison this game is F- tier, no way
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On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask.
On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too 
1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread
2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people
3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different
When you wake up care to give me your thoughts?
When you are caught up can I have your reads please?
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On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too 1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different
also NONE OF THIS CONTAINS ANY RESPONSE ABOUT LS' READ ON RITOKY LOL
so, trfel's case is based on everything earlier and what did he say earlier?
On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more.
everything after does not change because of his response to ritoky, nothing is different
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On July 07 2015 10:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 10:35 Holyflare wrote:
also geript i don't know about the meta so i can't really comment on it's accuracy so it's kind of a giant wall of text right now, trfel's new post is like wtf since he scum reads ls for something his town read and I have said is town indicative from LS and if he was reading the thread there's no way he misses that Ok. IDK wtf to do w/ trfel. He's weird. I actually find the whole trfel-rso-ls triangle pretty weird to be honest.
i'll look into oats probably so hold onto that and yeh this whole game is just people playing weirdly i don't get it
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where on earth did everyone go and why aren't you all voting trfel
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did you read what i've been writing?
all of his start of the game is indicative of someone burnt out from playing mafia twice in a row, he's never played like this ever as town at the start of the game
all of his questions when he did start asking questions were circular and could do nothing with the response
his reads don't make sense and aren't ever elaborated on, he scum reads me etc as well as ls and only ever explained ls
he's trolling through the thread
he switched his stance on ls from not scum to scum based on him asking questions about ritoky but that never featured in his case on LS which means those questions were irrelevant to his stance change which means his original post on not scum reading LS any more was bs
just read my filter it's full of stuff
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if he has read this thread he couldn't really make 1/3 of the points that he made on LS since we mentioned that those points made LS towny
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wtf is unconvincing about it?!??!?!?!?!
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On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote:
How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote.
because I have played a lot of mafia and he just played a super try hard game as mafia in his last game, he can be tired but that does not make him play badly for the entirety of the game especially when asked to play better, trfel is not a troll you can just look at his past games (sure he posts trolly things sometimes) regardless this is now a sub point in this game
"many people have unexplained reads", sure and many people give reasons when asked and those reasons I can see coming from a town perspective of someone reading the thread and thinking critically. Trfel's reads seem to bypass the thread entirely and talk around it and then he interjects with random questions sometimes that don't effect anything at all. Just because he calls me scum that is not the reason I am scum reading him at all.
I don't understand how this point is ONLY convincing if LS is mafia either at all. If a player has a read that says that a player is town and then he changes it to a player is scum based on no new information that has been gained, why do you think that happens? If he then reveals the information he is scum reading a player on and it contains things that have been said to be town reads for LS why has he not acknowledged those points? It seems like Trfel is simply:
On July 07 2015 01:47 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:39 Holyflare wrote: From my own meta/experience with him, he's town. I am also aware he's recently had scum success though, so I would think he's going to be smart enough to replicate his town game as much as possible. Am I making sense now? On July 07 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
I just don't get it hts, none of what I said is to do with afking in the slightest. That was just a cursory pressure post at the start of the game. Everything is to do with his return which is a more than prominent feature in this thread if you read through it since BH had to make a public announcement about the shit I was wading through.
Since i've never seen him do it in any of his town games and nobody has corrected me to say otherwise, I simply have no idea how you and rsoul can say the exact same thing that his meta and tone reads point to him being town. Alright, my experience/meta does not cover the game where Trfel helped carry mafia (NSM11) as I did not actually play in that game. My understanding of that game is that he won the game based on how he filter dove people and spun his arguments. If your problem is with the way he's deflecting and posting what you seem to be scumreading him for, I can tell you he did the same thing in Down Under 2. He made several posts about music composition and whatnot and then actually cased the hosts in lylo. And he was town that game. Please tell me I am making more sense than I have done before?
On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though. lol wow you really don't get it, do you? truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out therebut keep barking about it
playing his mafia meta to a tee. Furthermore, his read on LightningStrike doesn't make any sense in the context either. Why would he pick out LightningStrike as mafia after saying he's no longer a scum read? Why is it only LightningStrike? Where is the thought process? There is 0 thought process.
I am not sure I understand how you can defend this person (you're probably mafia)
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On July 07 2015 11:50 rsoultin wrote:
hey hf
humor me for a second yeah?
assassination, guardians, carol, and even aperture (though obv reasons why this isn't as relevant) to a lesser extent
what do they all have in common?
and you played in every single one of these, too
like i agree that case on ls was meeeeeeeh and doesn't make much sense given the former stuff, but all of these were large themed just like this one. all had a low-activity truffle and the one he contributed in most (arguably) was the one he rolled 3p in, at least in terms of actually posting worthwhile things early
you just kind of decided that the reason he's low-activity is because of rolling scum twice instead of considering that this is actually normal for him in large games?
i have a toneread on him. i know that's not something you give a shit about, but this toneread is practically ironclad, and a lot stronger than a double-mafia roll theory. like i don't want to lynch a townread >< maybe you really believe this theory of yours but are you willing to at least consider the fact that it's actually normal for him to barely post in large themed games?
it doesn't matter, all of his games have purpose and push and direction, I've not seen a single game where he isn't inquisitive or pushing something or trying to solve things or point things out not a single one
I was proud enough of his play that I sent him a PM because I saw him in general and liked his playstyle and how he pushed logical things and he was getting down about being wrong so I thought I'd send him one (it's on the last page) and this is nothing like i've ever seen in any game of his. This isn't a themed game at all it's a normal game.
The questions he's asked in this game have no sense behind them, no purpose. All of the questions he has actually asked have seemingly led to what? His rekindling of his LS read that doesn't make sense and a scum read on me when he hasn't asked a single question about me? Sure, that makes no sense whatsoever.
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On July 07 2015 11:57 milo109 wrote:
I defended him because you and I were the only ones on and you were attempting to sway my vote. I simply stated why that won't happen. I might be wrong on trfel, and I might be wrong on you. Do you always call people who disagree with you mafia?
I call people that disagree with me mafia when they haven't reasoned out their response for disagreeing with me because they are likely defending a town player because they don't know better. I am not simply trying to "sway" anyone, although if you want to simplify it totally then yes I want people to vote on the person I think is mafia, sure. I want an active discussion on what people think of the points I've raised and why they disagree with them and why they think the opposite.
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