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On July 12 2015 13:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:49 Trfel wrote:
I'll try to start playing this game more seriously on Monday.... (no, this isn't a request to not be lynched until then, it's just information, and also a way to avoid getting modkilled for inactivity...) well at least you're honest about it? lol >< do you have an unserious off-the-top-of-your-head thing while you're here, at least? We're having a European student over for the weekend. He's planning in majoring in music, and he spends like 6 hours a day at music school.....
I can't imagine going through that 
And I guess you guys are right about LightningStrike, I guess I forgot that mafia can't have a gunsmith themselves.
And I still want to lynch Holyflare.
##vote Holyflare
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On July 12 2015 13:54 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 13:49 Trfel wrote:
I'll try to start playing this game more seriously on Monday.... (no, this isn't a request to not be lynched until then, it's just information, and also a way to avoid getting modkilled for inactivity...) You're aware there's several looking to lynch you right? There's a bit of a stagnation issue trying to find scum so if you are town, we are really going to need your help. Even if it's just 30 minutes to spend on one of the below issues. I'm not sure I want to know how many pages you are behind but a good place to start is the critical issues 1 where you see the rasputin/hf/ruxxar sphere - who's the scum in that 2 your opinion on KSC (some are reconsidering his townread) 3 lot of nulls or players not making an impact as cited by others (scott/vivax/bf/wos, etc), you're in this category obv for most if not all people Rsoultin is town, Holyflare is scum, ruXxar is... town lean, I guess? I'm fairly confident on the first two, anyway.
No clue about KelsierSC. I'll read his filter if I get a chance.
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On July 12 2015 14:15 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2015 14:03 Trfel wrote:
And I still want to lynch Holyflare.
##vote Holyflare Is your read changing at all based on anything he's posted lately? Or is it simply reinforced? I've been scumreading him for most of the game.
I haven't really seen what Holyflare's been doing recently, but I've seen a little of what other people said about him, which does support my scumread.
Furthermore, he wanted to lynch milo109 yesterday instead of Damdred. This makes me more reluctant to lynch milo109 and makes me really want to lynch Holyflare.
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On July 12 2015 14:41 Half the Sky wrote:
I just glossed through Damdred's filter - he's hardpushing Trfel (how does that make him look bad???) and the ONE interaction he has with BF is NAI on BF.
Quicksearch on OWS in his filter shows jack all. What on earth are you talking about? He's talking about what I said to Damdred, I suppose.
The nice thing about having a short filter and always spelling people's names correctly is that you can easily find every time I mention a person. I liked Damdred's early scumread of LightningStrike, and didn't want to lynch him Day 1 (voted for ritoky instead).
I thought you were going to sleep now? 
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KelsierSC
He seems like at least a town lean. Other than not posting for ~2 days, I don't see what's wrong with him. He had a scumread on Damdred for quite some time, for good reasons. He did the work on the xP analysis for rsoultin. And he was very active (to his disappearance).
scott31337
I still feel that scott31337's early posting was somewhat suspicious.
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +On July 06 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote:
My first normal, this will be fun!!
HF can we be friends? Unless maybe there's some history between scott31337 and Holyflare, maybe Student Mafia 7 (I forget the number, could be off by one)? On July 06 2015 07:31 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:29 Vivax wrote:On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. Must be a lot of mafia in this game when you catch them while less than half the game didn't even post. There's five, did you read the OP or just being Vivax? It's pretty hard to miss Vivax's intention here... On July 06 2015 08:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p You need to let it go... Meta can be an amazing tool and on Day 1 with out votes it's quite helpful... Just like voting for BM since he rolls scum 80%+ Pointless post, but also seems to be serious.... On July 06 2015 08:13 scott31337 wrote:Although I didn't really care for his AFK post, he has proven he can be a big poster as mafia (like his last game) I'm not on the trfel train yet - or was this sarcastic? Didn't even ask ruXxar what his reasons for his scumread are? I'm pretty sure that ruXxar hadn't explaind this at the time. This is the most suspicious of the bunch.
The amount that scott31337 "buddied" (normal word usage, not necessarily mafia usage, as I don't think Holyflare is susceptible to buddying) is also suspicious (regardless of Holyflare's alignment. See this post.
On July 06 2015 09:36 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:27 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 09:25 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 09:03 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm what? What are you unsure of? I didn't care for his vote, although he does explain it decently here - On July 06 2015 09:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
oh hey dis guy too..... What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm This seems like a major overreaction tbh. Why are you so pissy about my vote? Honestly marv doesn't really look like anything, but Hf calling him out when nothing has happened seems a bit out of the ordinary. I'd imagine town!Hf wouldn't even care about Marv at all considering what an easily-resolved player he is. And I'm not pissy - I just called it a shit vote because, well, it is.  On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote:
scptt fuck you ![[image loading]](http://oilersnation.com/uploads/Image/wrong.jpg) i don't remember you dont like hf but uou like ,marv? ??? Expand No, you misunderstood here. Marv usually does a bit more as town then his one post - he's probably waiting for his buddy Palmar - they love to interact - I'm not caring for Marv. HF has a slight townlean for now, I liked his first post (although it could have been pre-made, I had a mindmeld with it) Here's his Holyflare read actually explained. The first post was already argued by many to be a weak reason, but scott31337 isn't interested in discussing this. Furthermore, if this is what he thought at the start of the game (as implied by the mind meld), why did he ask Holyflare if they could be friends, instead of just saying that Holyflare is town? Why didn't he comment on Clarity_nl's posts about the early VT claim? Why did he claim VT now, and not earlier?
This doesn't make sense regardless of Holyflare's alignment.
Furthermore, he says that Oatsmaster's case (the xP case) on rsoultin is a good case, and that he could sheep it, but he didn't give a read on Oatsmaster (in his list post, the only thing he said about Oatsmaster was that he was scumreading WaveofShadow and Clarity_nl). Then he says he isn't townreading Oatsmaster.
He keeps asking to lynch rsoultin, without ever really talking about rsoultin. In his list post, his reasoning for this is really poor (and includes paranoia as a reason).
He seems like a fair chance at scum.
Power Roles
How many claimed power roles did we have going into Night 2, and how many of them claimed results? Basically, can we use this to find if scum has two roleblockers or not?
I guess I'm maybe thinking that scum might only have one roleblocker, and milo109 is scum after all? But I'm really not sure...
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Hopefully milo109 is scum, I guess...
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Holyflare and scott31337 both need to die.
I said I will play today, and I will. However, I am one of the most western people on TL, and I also stay up really late... And I don't think that reading the entire thread is practical.
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On July 14 2015 07:18 ruXxar wrote:
Shooting HF is a terrible idea.
If HF is mafia we can deal with him later. No, this is false.
Holyflare posts a ton and sounds very convincing. Lynching him is nearly impossible, and almost never happens.
However, he's scum. Shooting him is a good way to kill him. This is a case where someone needs to take initiative and kill a high risk, high reward target where town doesn't have the confidence to lynch him otherwise.
Holyflare is a very good shot.
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On July 14 2015 07:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote:On July 14 2015 07:18 ruXxar wrote:
Shooting HF is a terrible idea.
If HF is mafia we can deal with him later. No, this is false. Holyflare posts a ton and sounds very convincing. Lynching him is nearly impossible, and almost never happens. However, he's scum. Shooting him is a good way to kill him. This is a case where someone needs to take initiative and kill a high risk, high reward target where town doesn't have the confidence to lynch him otherwise. Holyflare is a very good shot. You haven't read the game though and your reads are all based on the first pages of people's filters. You are intentionally misrepresenting the entire game and are obviously mafia.
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Ok, fine. I'll (re)read the entire game.
Just, when I finish (and/or flip), you guys had better listen to me.
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Adding ruXxar to the scum pool.
+ Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear.
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On July 14 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:Adding ruXxar to the scum pool. + Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear. + Show Spoiler [EBWOP] +I must add, while in the early parts of the game, ruXxar seemed very focused on only one scumread at a time without actually pushing that scumread, he seems to branch out a bit more in the next few pages. But the delay feels suspicious, and despite his fairly large post count, it doesn't feel like he's paying much attention to the thread.
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On July 14 2015 09:56 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote:Adding ruXxar to the scum pool. + Show Spoiler [Reasons, if you're interested in…] +He scumread me (Trfel) without explaining his reasoning. He seemed to really want to lynch me (enough to repeat himself without prompting about it), but not enough to clearly state why, for people who hadn't read Student Mafia 11. Furthermore, his scumread on me was posted well after my opening post, and his vote was made even after that. This doesn't feel like a town mindset.
The first main push in the thread was Damdred's push on LightningStrike. RuXxar was one of the people who didn't say anything about the push. However, a few pages later, RuXxar seemed accepting of the push (asked LightningStrike what he was trying to say with his list of scott31337's games). He didn't mention LightningStrike again for a while, though. His interest in LightningStrike doesn't feel very high at all, which is strange, especially since he townread Damdred. If he didn't like the push, he should have said so; as it is, he gave himself room to jump on it later, while largely avoiding it.
His townread of Damdred and scott31337 seems to be for a trap, which made no sense whatsoever. Making a post that contains no relevant information or reads generally isn't a reason for someone to be town.
RuXxar switching his main scumread from me to Clarity_nl has several problems. First, it shows he wasn't really reading the game clearly, or he would have thought of this at the start, not only when someone mentioned something that had been said many times already. Second, why did he scumread and vote Clarity_nl and completely ignore Holyflare, while scumreading Clarity_nl for an association with Holyflare early on? His interest in Holyflare is nonexistant.
Then, instead of discussing his scumreads, he just says that everyone questioning or being suspicious of Clarity_nl is towny.
Yes, this is different from how he played last game (as mafia). But it's also very different from how he played as town. Having done well as scum last game, I can see him excited to play scum again (especially if it's with Holyflare again, as I suspect). And his early play is very, very hard to see from a town perspective, while the mafia motivation seems clear. can you explain the damdred, scott thing to me On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p On July 06 2015 08:05 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p Don't be bad meta is excellent especially with someone you know very well. Io think I've called ls alignment the past 9 games 100%. This early it's an excellent tool ls is acting scum,and had to be prompted to do his normal thing. I'm pretty sure he rolled,scum Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:03 scott31337 wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 ruXxar wrote:
Damdred if you start with tone reads and meta then I'm just done with you :p You need to let it go... Meta can be an amazing tool and on Day 1 with out votes it's quite helpful... Just like voting for BM since he rolls scum 80%+ y so serious? I love meta. #meta #meta #meta. (look at the spoilered quotes)On July 06 2015 08:12 ruXxar wrote:
Top town at this point is damdred and Scott.
#BatTraps.
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Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more.
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On July 14 2015 10:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more. i dont get your scott damdred case so can you explain that RuXxar townread scott31337 and Damdred for a nonexistent reason (or at least a nonsensical one, that or I'm completely missing it). It's not as important as the other things that scott31337 did, though.
On July 14 2015 10:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 10:27 Trfel wrote:
Seriously, someone please give me actual reasons why I'm wrong about Holyflare/scott31337/ruXxar. If I'm wrongly confirmation biasing against them, I need to know why before I read more. yeah, is there any reason why you feel like your stuff isnt getting traction? Other than everyone thinking you are mafia. Does this comment have a purpose, or are you just taking a potshot at me for no reason?
Assuming the former, it's obvious that if people are reading my posts, they don't care to actually respond. Before, I didn't mind so much. Now, I mind much more.
You CANNOT scumread me until you explain why I am wrong. "You are mafia" and "you didn't read the game" do not qualify.
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Does no one else understand it?
RuXxar changed his top scumread from me (which he was pretty confident in) to Clarity_nl on the basis that Clarity_nl's opening post about Holyflare being town and them not being scum together looked planned ahead of time. Thus, they both have to be scum. This is the only reason for his scumread on Clarity_nl.
But, ruXxar wasn't scumreading Holyflare, and didn't seem at all interested in Holyflare's alignment. He only asked Holyflare one question and didn't state any read on him. But ruXxar's top scum read, Clarity_nl, who he was voting, only applied as long as Holyflare was also scum.
I have a ton of trouble seeing this come from town. Even if Holyflare is town.
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On July 06 2015 08:28 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? Mmmm, seems like this was clearly pre-planned #scumlean. On July 06 2015 08:32 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
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I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.
trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times
Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on. If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"?What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me. If i was mafia etc etc, sounds like you actually thought about this beforehand. I'm changing my top scumread. ##Vote clarity. On July 06 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I like kelsier, geript and rsoul for going after clarity.
++townlean. On July 06 2015 09:33 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 09:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 09:29 Holyflare wrote:
bla bla chess On July 06 2015 09:25 ruXxar wrote:@HF. What do you think about Clarity not wanting to lynch you? On July 06 2015 08:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
That's fine, just don't lynch HF or myself today and reevaluate tomorrow. Moving on.
WoS gave me a townread for being tryhard, whereas there's 3 people somewhat leaning towards me or whatever.
So is WoS just better than you guys, or is he scum? it doesn't bother me and i'm undecided about clarity because his question on wave is what i thought looking at wave's post hence why he's half mafia and half town time will tell Oki thanks And the last post is all he says about Holyflare.
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I don't buy the mason explanation. He didn't move his vote, and Holyflare's answer says nothing at all useful about this, but ruXxar was content to drop the line of questioning anyway.
On July 06 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote:The way that he hard defended holy fire and then used "but a mafia wouldn't do this" to excuse his actions. I think that sounds pre-planned. I got a scum vibe off that. After ruXxar got his answer from Holyflare, he still said this.
RuXxar did something that does not fit a town mindset at all, and has mafia motivation. Then, he explained it with an explanation that is very hard to believe.
RuXxar is mafia, I'm extremely confident in it.
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On July 14 2015 15:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I am not enjoying this game. Is there something that I missed in my analysis?
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