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On July 16 2015 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote:
eh, truffle, oats was pulling a bats and thinking he could find scum via a pm...that everyone knew, but still lol >< he thought he caught geript because geript's response made it rather clear that he wasn't vt
yeah, i realize i'm being hypocritical and am going to stop grilling you for the time-being hf and let you do your thing, too scumslipping via not having a town pm is a thing, but its a lot less often now because pms are in OP.
lol yeah i know that's why i found it funny that was the tack you were taking ^^ were you just doing it to see his reaction or something?
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On July 16 2015 12:18 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:Let's look at oats scumslip accusations: On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.
Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.
Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up. To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less  ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.
Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit I kinda wrote this off because i thought it was dumb. Like the last quote chain especially im not sure what interaction oats was looking for with geript. I found it weird but not alignment indicative weird more like i dont get this weird. I thought it was fairly clear that geript ment that the word investigator shouldn't mean anything to anyone because the pms are listen in the OP. I do understand the logic though that oats seemed fairly certain it meant geript was not VT so if he was mafia he would have likely pushed for that nightkill. This is a good reason to townread oats. On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town? Okay i see how that doesn't really apply but can you look at this post please. On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game.
In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player.
There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game.
1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.
2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well.
That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much.
3) He's re-evaluating his stance.
You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people.
This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions.
That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea.
If anything, shoot Rsoul. Do you think these reasons could make him have such a strong townread that he doesn't really seem to second guess it. I think all of these things are entirely possible for you to do as town. Number 1 is the best reason i find but it still shouldn't make his read so concrete. He speaks with such authority like he knows your play so well and hey maybe he does but i find it really hard to believe coming from someone who has played what? 1 game with you? Also if anything the second reason concerning the BM lynch I wouldn't really say is townie since we know it was town v town and this was posted after the MZ flip but he doesn't even take this into account in his read. I have read your obi stuff but i don't really remember it, i will definitely go back and take a look at it sometime soon like this phase though. That post described why I had been reading him as town up until that point. What solidified his town position for me and why he's currently my strongest townread, I outlined in this post: Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:
eh prob that you take ages to answer any question directed at you ruxx lol >< i've generally been chalking it up to not being a native english speaker, but it could be easily construed as either avoiding the question or being too careful with your wording
you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person)
like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"? How am I avoiding questions when I'm answering them? I know I take a long reason answering questions and there's a good reason for that. I don't want to say stupid stuff that's going to come back to bite me in the ass later and get me mis-lynched. What good does it serve me if I have to go back and explain all the errors I made in my statements when I can just get it right the first time? It's a waste of my time and does not help us get anywhere. I don't town-read HF any less for his martyring, but I dislike martyring strongly. In honor of the spirit of the game you should never quit and go against your win condition. I know it's easy to take the high road here, but I don't see how you can play this game and not expect to have to deal with hardships. What pisses me off especially about HF is how I KNOW that he is good at defending himself if he wants to. I was mafia with him last game, I've seen first hand what he's capable of. I was expecting more out of him, but I don't read it as scummy behavior. In fact, I think it makes him even more towny. I think that if HF was scum he would feel an obligation to his mafia team to never give up. From playing and talking with him last game that is what my gut tells me that HF would do. Just look at how he fought against the tides with the red-check on him for such a long time when people kept bringing up the same logic over and over against him. I don't see mafia HF giving up this easily. I saw how HF was struggling so hard as mafia against all odds last game, and it was a miracle that we won. I refuse to believe that HF would give up as mafia when he has an obligation to his team, and also his pride on the line as the best scum player on TL. Like, he was attack from all fronts and I even bussed him super hard and he still didn't give up. Yes my meta read is based on that one game together, but I believe strongly that HF would not give up as scum. If you show me a game where he did give up as scum then sure, my townread on him might dip a little, but that doesn't nullify the other things I'm townreading him for.
why do you think he's more likely to "give up" as town than scum? like i'm not gonna lie, the way you two are treating each other this game has my hackles raised
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He quite clearly just explained why, don't you think? I mean his whole post you just quoted explains it. Also, obi's reads are the most bs reads I've seen in a long long time and I am surprised nobody has called him out for it at all. Rsoul is town because.... Activity? Which is obviously not a metric to read rsoultin by and ruxxar is town because.... Activity...?what the fuck?
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you cant teach an old dog new tricks. everyone is doing it so its not just mafia members unfortunately. even after kelsier flips and shows them that reading people day 1 is trash people are still set on day 1 townreads of obi and others ^^
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Then his scum read on clarity magically vanishes because again, activity even though every post towards clarity looks like it should be ladled with a mafia read.
Then his scum read is on the most active person in the entire game  no hesitancy at being wronf even though the first thing i posted on my return should pander straight to obi's scum senses on clarity.
Not a word about it.
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Well as long as i stick with va and oats I'm sure this game will be fine. Will never lynch.
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Rsoultin I understand you think you've done something and keep complaining to people about ruxxar being mafia but he is your only push this entire game since day 1. I would appreciate if you looked elsewhere since I do not think you get so focused on just one player as town ever. You have skirted around this obi thing for a good while and you don't need to look at his filter to comment on my posts or see his posts at all.
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On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse.
er there are 3 mafia
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On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia
I am aware.
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On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware.
so whos the other one?
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On July 16 2015 13:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware. so whos the other one?
Dnu. Working on it.
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On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware.
Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va?
Why do you scum read va btw?
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On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware. Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw?
I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me.
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On July 16 2015 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware. Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw? I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me.
this is the reason he scumreads me and then he goes back and calls me scummy when he keeps doing, its pretty funny.
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On July 16 2015 13:10 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware. Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw? I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me. this is the reason he scumreads me and then he goes back and calls me scummy when he keeps doing, its pretty funny.
You know you guys are reaching when every other player in the game says that you're not explaining things.
I know you're trying really hard to save your scummate Hf but it's just not going to work when you try to push things that don't exist, nor will it fly when everyone in the game already thinks you're mafia.
Keep trying though. When Hf flips scum, you're next. Count on it.
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On July 16 2015 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware. Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw? I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me.
And why is that? Previously before I posted you were throwing out remarks like you knew I was town and finding an excuse to be elsewhere. Then I return and post something that is actually pretty logical, that your scum read on clarity vanished out of nowhere and all your posts scream that you should be scum reading him but you don't and suddenly you don't want to respond to a single question?
What's so hard about answering it? You have nothing to hide if you are town right?
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On July 16 2015 13:00 Holyflare wrote:
Rsoultin I understand you think you've done something and keep complaining to people about ruxxar being mafia but he is your only push this entire game since day 1. I would appreciate if you looked elsewhere since I do not think you get so focused on just one player as town ever. You have skirted around this obi thing for a good while and you don't need to look at his filter to comment on my posts or see his posts at all.
?? i have commented on obi quite a bit this game? just as i brought damdy to people's attention, and i know you haven't forgotten my pushing you, milo or scott. it's certainly irritating that you keep saying i'm not doing things when i have been...i brought scott to your attention multiple times before you started pushing him yourself, and yeah, i was wrong, but saying i'm not doing anything is blatantly false
but tbh i'm actually still not paying attention to this game fully...i already mentioned that not pushing you when you were up for lynch was strange and ows' excuse even stranger
^ this is why i'm really certain you're not actually reading my posts, btw
i'll take a look at the clarity thing...lol eventually >< which means before the end of the night. as for his townreads based on activity, i agree that for ruxx and myself that's nai...ruxx was plenty active last scumgame and anyone who has seen one of my scumgames knows i can post just as much as a scum hf xP
in all honesty, if we were going by activity levels, i probably have a lower activity/pg ratio than almost any of my games as either alignment this game -shrugs- though again, it's not something i keep close enough track of to know for sure
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On July 16 2015 13:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:10 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:On July 16 2015 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia? Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. er there are 3 mafia I am aware. Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw? I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me. this is the reason he scumreads me and then he goes back and calls me scummy when he keeps doing, its pretty funny. You know you guys are reaching when every other player in the game says that you're not explaining things. I know you're trying really hard to save your scummate Hf but it's just not going to work when you try to push things that don't exist, nor will it fly when everyone in the game already thinks you're mafia. Keep trying though. When Hf flips scum, you're next. Count on it.
Yes, exactly but how is this DIFFERENT to VA in every other game where he doesn't do anything? How does it suddenly make him mafia??
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On July 16 2015 13:20 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 13:00 Holyflare wrote:
Rsoultin I understand you think you've done something and keep complaining to people about ruxxar being mafia but he is your only push this entire game since day 1. I would appreciate if you looked elsewhere since I do not think you get so focused on just one player as town ever. You have skirted around this obi thing for a good while and you don't need to look at his filter to comment on my posts or see his posts at all. ?? i have commented on obi quite a bit this game? just as i brought damdy to people's attention, and i know you haven't forgotten my pushing you, milo or scott. it's certainly irritating that you keep saying i'm not doing things when i have been...i brought scott to your attention multiple times before you started pushing him yourself, and yeah, i was wrong, but saying i'm not doing anything is blatantly false but tbh i'm actually still not paying attention to this game fully...i already mentioned that not pushing you when you were up for lynch was strange and ows' excuse even stranger ^ this is why i'm really certain you're not actually reading my posts, btw i'll take a look at the clarity thing...lol eventually >< which means before the end of the night. as for his townreads based on activity, i agree that for ruxx and myself that's nai...ruxx was plenty active last scumgame and anyone who has seen one of my scumgames knows i can post just as much as a scum hf xP in all honesty, if we were going by activity levels, i probably have a lower activity/pg ratio than almost any of my games as either alignment this game -shrugs- though again, it's not something i keep close enough track of to know for sure
Yes yes ok, you're a good player. This wasn't the answer I'm looking for though it's so wishy washy and doesn't say anything about obi. I KNOW his reads based on activity mean nothing but why do you tell me what i already know instead of what it means foefor obi?
I mean... You just don't seem inquisitive and it's scummy and i can't get past it.
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