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On July 16 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Well it's quite a simple question that deserves an honest answer. Not an argument or anything, if you're town then I am simply wrong on you and I have actually read your filter to get to that comment. I feel like my statement is correct. If you think the opposite can you please just tell me what you think you have pushed and what you have achieved in the past 3 cycles?
I'm just going to repaste this because I cannot be more civil than I am already being. If you are town then it would be more than helpful to stop me calling you mafia and perhaps help me to look in other directions if you were just to succinctly paraphrase your play to me in a few sentences such as:
- I have done x yesterday
- when y happened I thought this and pushed it!
I am in no way being antagonistic here. I have read your filter and yes, you are at the forefront of everything but then so am I and people are calling me mafia. Why does that matter at all? The simple answer is that it's easy for high activity players to be at the forefront of everything because all they have to do is comment on things. I think you have done a LOT of commenting and not a lot of anything else (namely pushing scum reads). That is shown by today how you have defaulted to my lynch while calling me town but have not concluded who the mafia team are or are doing any intuitive digging like I would expect you to be doing as town, in fact it looks like your mafia play where you get lazy and just comment on things and I think this has been indicative of your play for the past few cycles.
So, in the interest of fairness I would like you to evaluate your own play to ME simply because I am interested to hear it. Please.
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In the interest of openness I can show you how my read on you has actually never disappeared and I just kept it on the down-lo to appease people and not shit up the thread, which proved meaningless anyway because I was in a bad mood but alas, here I am anyway.
On July 14 2015 06:04 Holyflare wrote:
If trfel flips mafia maybe you guys will believe the rsoul read, yay!
I also felt the same way last cycle about you:
On July 14 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote:
Scott posting in newbie game and not here so not bad shot. Trfel is playing the most abysmal game ever. Not bad shot. Rsoul not done anything past 2 cycles. Good shot. Ebh lying about events pretty good shot. Wouldn't be surprised if mafia in oats/obi
On July 14 2015 22:15 Holyflare wrote:I mean i understand you guys are mad jelly over my milo reading skills. It's understandable. Anyway I'm just gonna call rsoul town forever and if she's in lylo kill her  makes poeing easier too
^ is where I started trying to appease people
So so far it's probably scott/ebh/obi/+x (rsoul, kelsier, bf most likely).
^ yet still have you in my list
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On July 16 2015 00:25 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Not sure why I ever dropped my scumread on breshke lower he clearly has no reason to solve the game.
so he townreads the entire game and then has his one "whacky" read of scumreading ruxxar and then just leaves off all the low content posters generically. The ruxxar read is simply to seem as if he is somehow engaged to the game, this is textbook mafia.
if only I had any pull this game...
This takes me post fairly out of context and is half bullshit
I townread 6 people which isn't even half of the game. it also wasn't even a reads list. Saying I had ruxxar as scum was actually a direct response to clarity. The townreads were there because it is my platform to work off of and I wanted to see if anyone disagreed because I have been so wrong this game. As an aside if OWS is actually mafia and you are town EBH you are probably the biggest hindrance to town since you arn't even trying to convince people. Like OWS is me least sure townread so i ask you to explain your read and you just ignore it, it's reallt frustrating
Trfel is right about BF pplaying dumb his first game but I think this dumbtell is different because its less of playing dumb and more of just purely misunderstanding something. I'm not sure how to explain this but i think clarity has done so already. Add BF to my townlist.
Leaves me with 3 scum in
24) Holyflare (filter)
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter)
19) Oatsmaster (filter)
5) ruXxar (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
which i will be looking through today
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I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town)
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I also NEVER said lynching damdred over milo would be bad i said it didnt matter at the time WHO we lynched because i was under the assumption there was 1 RB and they were BOTH mafia. In wich case the two claimed investigative roles who had claimed a the time that i believed were never getting a cheack off no matter who we lynched.
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On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town)
genuinely thankyou for this.
Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from?
Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
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On July 16 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Well it's quite a simple question that deserves an honest answer. Not an argument or anything, if you're town then I am simply wrong on you and I have actually read your filter to get to that comment. I feel like my statement is correct. If you think the opposite can you please just tell me what you think you have pushed and what you have achieved in the past 3 cycles? I'm just going to repaste this because I cannot be more civil than I am already being. If you are town then it would be more than helpful to stop me calling you mafia and perhaps help me to look in other directions if you were just to succinctly paraphrase your play to me in a few sentences such as: - I have done x yesterday
- when y happened I thought this and pushed it!
I am in no way being antagonistic here. I have read your filter and yes, you are at the forefront of everything but then so am I and people are calling me mafia. Why does that matter at all? The simple answer is that it's easy for high activity players to be at the forefront of everything because all they have to do is comment on things. I think you have done a LOT of commenting and not a lot of anything else (namely pushing scum reads). That is shown by today how you have defaulted to my lynch while calling me town but have not concluded who the mafia team are or are doing any intuitive digging like I would expect you to be doing as town, in fact it looks like your mafia play where you get lazy and just comment on things and I think this has been indicative of your play for the past few cycles. So, in the interest of fairness I would like you to evaluate your own play to ME simply because I am interested to hear it. Please.
eh -_- i may or may not (i of course cannot confirm or deny) have been told to play nice
look. i told y'all at the beginning of the night cycle that i wouldn't have time for this game until after my exam today. whether you want to accept that or not is your prerogative but it's not like i haven't been open about it. there's a reason i got so far behind last week and it didn't suddenly disappear this week
despite that i have still been pushing ruxx, and dove ebh. it's not a lot but it's not nothing, either. you can accuse me of only commenting on others' thoughts, and you'd be mostly right ^^ but i haven't had the time to look at anything yet which, btw, everyone knew
so as soon as i start talking about looking into things now that my exam's over, you come in and start calling me mafia? seems pretty opportunistic to me, frankly
i do not think and have not implied that you are town. i was trying to give you a chance to prove yourself which should have been very obvious with how i handled your martyring, which you are conveniently choosing to ignore
i like how you try to pass it off as me not doing anything for three cycles ^^ but when you ask you talk specifically about "yesterday". so why don't you do me a favor and leave me alone, unless you actually plan on trying to lynch me today. i don't care to put up with your sniping and it will not do anything to make me want to look more into this game, if you're town and that's what you're thinking
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
so much this, hf
also, why am i scumreading ruxxar after playing with him and you're not? and none of this "he's not playing like he did last game" cause the preachy saying things without really getting anywhere stuff is exactly like he was playing when he was actually bothering to interact with people last game
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right?
On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you?
On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip
It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later:
On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:Let's look at oats scumslip accusations: On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game.
On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.
Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.
Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up.
To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less  ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.
Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit
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On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate?
Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway.
Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town?
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On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town?
i've attempted multiple times, hf, to get you to actually look into ruxx, which you refuse to do. it's not "pretty bad" for me to call it weird. if you know this is a weakness of yours, why are you blatantly ignoring it?
why are you ignoring that ruxx should be more wary of your game after playing scum with you, not less?
why are you ignoring all the people saying this doesn't look like his town game, and did you ever go back to the days i asked you to? or just ignored that, too?
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I've ignored everything you have said to me for the past few cycles, it's as simple as that. I did not want to start any more nonsense. I don't think his game play was anything alike to his last game at the start of the game. I made that abundantly clear to you. Marv also agreed and so did Vivax. I have not ignored it in the slightest. I think he took the correct stance on you day 1 and upon re-reading my filter along with his, his push was indeed a good one on you because I was far better looking than I originally thought.
I have not read his filter in the past cycle or two, no, but being lazy/not at a computer for a week and a combination of my early town read based on his play made me avoid him.
Sure, he might be mafia and I certainly haven't put him in my town list like you are implying I am doing. I literally just said I do not have a read on him to Breshke while you attack me for something completely opposite.
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Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at?
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anyway, yeah, i'm gonna just do my thing, now (and yes, actually look into that OWS case), but i do expect an answer to that at some point; it wasn't rhetorical
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Also, Holyflare, did you have any reasons for possibly suspecting Harkon of being mafia?
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On July 16 2015 10:07 Holyflare wrote:
I've ignored everything you have said to me for the past few cycles, it's as simple as that. I did not want to start any more nonsense. I don't think his game play was anything alike to his last game at the start of the game. I made that abundantly clear to you. Marv also agreed and so did Vivax. I have not ignored it in the slightest. I think he took the correct stance on you day 1 and upon re-reading my filter along with his, his push was indeed a good one on you because I was far better looking than I originally thought.
I have not read his filter in the past cycle or two, no, but being lazy/not at a computer for a week and a combination of my early town read based on his play made me avoid him.
Sure, he might be mafia and I certainly haven't put him in my town list like you are implying I am doing. I literally just said I do not have a read on him to Breshke while you attack me for something completely opposite.
lol and you accuse me of doing nothing while blatantly ignoring what i post ^^ good job
btw if you're into rereading your filter for "towniness", perhaps you should reread your case and see why i think you're deliberately misrepresenting me, or does that not fit into your agenda?
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On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at?
Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it.
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On July 16 2015 10:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at? Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it. Okay, I think I get what you are saying.
But why would mafia not want to push a blue role? At best, you force them to claim. At worst, they adequately defend themselves. Is the towncredit for townreading a flipped blue really worth it?
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On July 16 2015 10:10 Trfel wrote:
Also, Holyflare, did you have any reasons for possibly suspecting Harkon of being mafia?
Yes, everytime I pushed something or said something he was there repeatedly to discredit me at every occasion. The milo push on n1, he was telling me alternatives to dissuade me from it. He was also shutting down every explanation I gave for my OWN thought process in regards to the MZ/BM lynch day 1 and bypassing it all and just calling me scum repeatedly instead as if I didn't know what my own thought process was. When I was scum reading you and dissecting your case on me and saying how you could possibly not believe it he was at the forefront of the anti-holyflare brigade shouting "defence, defence! scummy defence!" instead of talking through the points like a rational person (clarity also did this too). When I was starting to think Milo was town he was just afking and randomly interjecting with "HF stop questioning him!" instead of trying to solve the game or think about Milo's alignment at all. When I asked people to stop scum reading me for a bit/a cycle so I could post cases and see if I could get people to town read me again after the first case I posted he decided to say all my posts were shit and I was definitely mafia and instead of talking through my points like a normal person was he was just dismissive and said "no" repeatedly, even to clarity asking for my meta. I thought at one point that my wifom scenario of JAT claiming the KP would allow him to live for quite a while all while shutting down all these things and proclaiming himself as "confirmed town" to confuse the poe for a long time. It was a massive tin foil theory though and that's the reason it's tin foil because it's so "out there"
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eh, truffle, oats was pulling a bats and thinking he could find scum via a pm...that everyone knew, but still lol >< he thought he caught geript because geript's response made it rather clear that he wasn't vt
yeah, i realize i'm being hypocritical and am going to stop grilling you for the time-being hf and let you do your thing, too
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