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On July 16 2015 10:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 10:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at? Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it. Okay, I think I get what you are saying. But why would mafia not want to push a blue role? At best, you force them to claim. At worst, they adequately defend themselves. Is the towncredit for townreading a flipped blue really worth it?
What do you mean town credit? I'm just saying that if Oats was mafia he would know Geript was blue and would tell his team and geript would be dead in the night instead of random afk palmar and JAT. Especially as Geript was onto Damdred for a LOT of the game not only would it be good to relieve pressure from someone town read but also a blue shot.
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Talking about that wall of Obiwan text I just posted would be nice..... everyone has avoided it like the plague?
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Okay, thank you.
I will look more closely at the ObiWanShinobi scumread later tonight, but I need to head out for a while, so...
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Going to bed for now anyway, probably will post tomorrow. Maybe. I'll decide later.
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On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:Let's look at oats scumslip accusations: On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.
Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.
Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up. To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less  ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.
Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit
I kinda wrote this off because i thought it was dumb. Like the last quote chain especially im not sure what interaction oats was looking for with geript. I found it weird but not alignment indicative weird more like i dont get this weird. I thought it was fairly clear that geript ment that the word investigator shouldn't mean anything to anyone because the pms are listen in the OP. I do understand the logic though that oats seemed fairly certain it meant geript was not VT so if he was mafia he would have likely pushed for that nightkill. This is a good reason to townread oats.
On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town?
Okay i see how that doesn't really apply but can you look at this post please.
On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game.
In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player.
There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game.
1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.
2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well.
That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much.
3) He's re-evaluating his stance.
You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people.
This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions.
That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea.
If anything, shoot Rsoul.
Do you think these reasons could make him have such a strong townread that he doesn't really seem to second guess it. I think all of these things are entirely possible for you to do as town. Number 1 is the best reason i find but it still shouldn't make his read so concrete. He speaks with such authority like he knows your play so well and hey maybe he does but i find it really hard to believe coming from someone who has played what? 1 game with you?
Also if anything the second reason concerning the BM lynch I wouldn't really say is townie since we know it was town v town and this was posted after the MZ flip but he doesn't even take this into account in his read.
I have read your obi stuff but i don't really remember it, i will definitely go back and take a look at it sometime soon like this phase though.
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On July 16 2015 10:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 10:16 Trfel wrote:On July 16 2015 10:12 Holyflare wrote:On July 16 2015 10:08 Trfel wrote:
Holyflare, I don't understand what you're saying about Oatsmaster and geript?
Geript acknowledged in that very post that he knew that "investigator" was part of the VT name by saying that roles are listed in the OP. Oatsmaster claiming VT, with or without the flavor name, doesn't say anything about his alignment.
What are you getting at? Oatsmaster claimed to have caught geript in a scum slip. This line of thinking I don't think comes from a mafia Oats. You may argue that it does but I don't think it does. Regardless, geript further explains that he thinks there are only 2 investigators. Oat's takes this to be another slip that Geript does not know that VT's are named investigators instead of there being 2 investigator named roles in the OP. Oat's pushes that Geript must be mafia because of this. If oats was mafia then he would be assuming that Geript is in fact a blue role since he would either be blue or mafia based on this knowledge. This aside, I like the abundance of what Oats has posted on day 1. His pushes were inquisitive, his thoughts aligned with mine and I agree with pretty much everything he said. If an Oats says a lot of things I'm thinking and has similar reads to me, I take that as a good sign that he's town. Much like I did with Scott before you all talked me out of it. Okay, I think I get what you are saying. But why would mafia not want to push a blue role? At best, you force them to claim. At worst, they adequately defend themselves. Is the towncredit for townreading a flipped blue really worth it? What do you mean town credit? I'm just saying that if Oats was mafia he would know Geript was blue and would tell his team and geript would be dead in the night instead of random afk palmar and JAT. Especially as Geript was onto Damdred for a LOT of the game not only would it be good to relieve pressure from someone town read but also a blue shot. Oh, that makes sense. Got it.
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Also i forgot to add that im townreading OWs for his early play when he was posting stuff I was thinking it felt like we were along the same lines. I said recently that he was my least sure townread and thats because i had the same feelings about KSC and kinda damdred super early so i could very well be wrong.
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Oh, Hf is still pushing this nonsense.
Okay.
##vote hf
That makes this easy I guess.
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If anybody feels like talking to me, go ahead. I can talk about stuff.
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What your current thoughts on rux and rsoultin?
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Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town.
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On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town.
Can you explain the reasoning why they are what they are?
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Obi can you explain how your read on clarity evolved from scumreading him to whatever it is now?
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On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town.
lol so whos mafia?
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On July 16 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote:
eh, truffle, oats was pulling a bats and thinking he could find scum via a pm...that everyone knew, but still lol >< he thought he caught geript because geript's response made it rather clear that he wasn't vt
yeah, i realize i'm being hypocritical and am going to stop grilling you for the time-being hf and let you do your thing, too
scumslipping via not having a town pm is a thing, but its a lot less often now because pms are in OP.
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On July 16 2015 11:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. Can you explain the reasoning why they are what they are?
Rso is playing to her town meta. It's a hard thing for me to quantify but I feel relatively confident in it just due to the fact that she's active and she comments on every little thing in the thread. I do feel like she's taking a directive in establishing thread presence and I feel as if she's taking the right approaches in regards to certain things (aka the me/HF fight) and I don't think she would be this active as mafia.
Rux is town because he's active. I cba reading him thoroughly right now because I've got two pretty strong scumreads ahead of him and I try to avoid killing active players when I can.
(Plus, there's always the added benefit of townies being far more active than mafia in almost every game ever so that's probably fine.)
@Breshke: the same reasoning I applied to rux can be applied to clarity. I simply don't want him lynched because he's an active force in the thread + I already have two scumreads I want lynched over them.
Plus, I liked the way that he responded to my pressure early on in the game and then went RIGHT back to scumhunting.
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On July 16 2015 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso is town.
Rux is also likely town. lol so whos mafia?
Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh.
Stop being obtuse.
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On July 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 16 2015 09:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Well, oats pushed geript for his "scum slip" thing all of day one right? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip It genuinely looks like Oats is a VT and "caught" out geript in his scum slip thing and besides that he had actual logical reasons to scum read geript too, he elaborated more on it later: Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:59 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 01:55 Harkon wrote:Let's look at oats scumslip accusations: On July 07 2015 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:16 geript wrote:On July 07 2015 00:11 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:03 geript wrote:
Ten pages and more people dumbly think oats is town. Fun. Do the words "investigator" mean anything to you? First off, that's one word dumbass. Second the word investigator means nothing to me. It shouldn't to anyone. It's fucking stupid. Roles are listed in the op. scumslip This is extremely stupid since geript says in the very same post that roles (for example the VT role investigator) are listed in the OP. On July 07 2015 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 07 2015 00:22 geript wrote:
I think he's trying to say he scumslipped and was just following what HF did early not realizing there are two investigators. scumslip x2 This is weird because geript doesn't connect the investigator to the VT role like I just said. I also already pointed that out when it happened. The 2 investigators comment itself is perfectly fine. except geript isnt referring to the VT role pm when he says "roles", hes referring to the blue roles available in the game. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:11 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:04 geript wrote:On June 19 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:
DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.
Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 1.
Very hard to read the OP. Much tough. Very braindead. So why didnt you say something referring investigator to vt? Why would I need to? because thats clearly what I was talking about if you had gotten the vt role pm. But you didnt, so you messed up. To oats, it was obvious that geript did not get the VT pm and he spent ages tunneling on it (I actually really like all of his posts d1 and maybe I should ignore oats less ) so if he was mafia he'd know that geript was actually blue.
Vivax is a bit hard to quantify but i'll try in a bit I kinda wrote this off because i thought it was dumb. Like the last quote chain especially im not sure what interaction oats was looking for with geript. I found it weird but not alignment indicative weird more like i dont get this weird. I thought it was fairly clear that geript ment that the word investigator shouldn't mean anything to anyone because the pms are listen in the OP. I do understand the logic though that oats seemed fairly certain it meant geript was not VT so if he was mafia he would have likely pushed for that nightkill. This is a good reason to townread oats. On July 16 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 09:38 Breshke wrote:On July 16 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote:
I think oats is town because his play on day 1 basically only comes from someone who knows about being a VT and if he was mafia he would directly understand that geript was a blue instead and yet geript wasn't shot at all. I think besides that his play has been relatively active/intuitive and towny.
I also think Vivax is town because of activity and yes his posts have been weird but I have town feels from them and he seems to be pushing his ideas which are more in line with a town vivax than anything.
Wave is purely meta and a geript read so it could be completely wrong.
I realise that PoE's me but I am not mafia either, I also kind of like VA's posting and yeh it looks like he's "too right" but VA isn't that bad and his posts haven't been awful and have been in line with what i'm thinking most of the time (obi, kelsier etc) I realise that like.... literally leaves just me and ruxxar but I don't really have a read on ruxxar and i'm town so that pretty much means your PoE is very likely wrong (mayyybeeee not on VA and ruxxar but i think VA is probably town) genuinely thankyou for this. Can you explain the "comes from someone who knows about being a VT" bit about oats and also elaborate or show me what posts from vivax you egt townfeels from? Also you have a problem with some people for townreading you when they have no buisness town reading you. Why do you not apply this to ruxxar aswell? Do you find the reasons for his townread on you to be legitimate? Nah, I just explained I don't have a read on ruxxar. His situation is also a bit different because he JUST played in a mafia game with me together so I expected him to have a different insight into things than Clarity for example who keeps denying anything being told to him. Ruxxar's read is based on his anecdotal facts and own point of view and Clarity's is based purely on.... who knows and when you don't really know a player and everyone is screaming in your face otherwise and you still keep that read then it's pretty fucking scummy to me. Yeh, I do have a weakness for people defending me too and rsoultin should know that because she did exactly the same to me in another game so saying it's weird is pretty bad for her anyway. Did you read my stuff on Obi Breshke? Both the night posts and post I just made now? Why do you have him as town? Okay i see how that doesn't really apply but can you look at this post please. On July 14 2015 01:29 ruXxar wrote:
I was scum with HF last game, and I have a townlean on him this game.
In general I find HF hard to read, he doesn't conform to the stereotypic mafia player.
There are however small nuances that I think makes him town this game, compared to last game.
1) He's actually pushing logical targets. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his reasoning, as compared to just trying to tunnel people to death with weak arguments and a play on emotions.
Last game he tried to lynch people by ridiculing them and their arguments and being over the top and shouting at them. Blowing things out of proportions and trying to make them look stupid.
I'm seeing a relatively more "calm" and reasoning HF this game. More serious and down to business.
2) He's more wishy washy. This doesn't mean that he IS wishy washy in a general sense, but in a relative sense compared to last game. Especially the night when were lynched BM he seemed a bit all over the place, uncertain where to go. You see that he sometimes have a hard time picking a target to lynch, I can relate to that very well.
That isn't the scum HF I played with last game. He mainly picked one target and stuck with it, and didn't waver much.
3) He's re-evaluating his stance.
You can see multiple times throughout the game that he's re-evaluating his stance on people.
This is apparent in how he's re-evaluating his stance on both trfel, hts, milo and others continuously, jumping from towny to scummy based on their actions/reactions.
That's my opinion on HF so far this game, I don't agree that shooting him is a good idea.
If anything, shoot Rsoul. Do you think these reasons could make him have such a strong townread that he doesn't really seem to second guess it. I think all of these things are entirely possible for you to do as town. Number 1 is the best reason i find but it still shouldn't make his read so concrete. He speaks with such authority like he knows your play so well and hey maybe he does but i find it really hard to believe coming from someone who has played what? 1 game with you? Also if anything the second reason concerning the BM lynch I wouldn't really say is townie since we know it was town v town and this was posted after the MZ flip but he doesn't even take this into account in his read. I have read your obi stuff but i don't really remember it, i will definitely go back and take a look at it sometime soon like this phase though.
That post described why I had been reading him as town up until that point.
What solidified his town position for me and why he's currently my strongest townread, I outlined in this post:
On July 15 2015 22:36 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 22:06 rsoultin wrote:
eh prob that you take ages to answer any question directed at you ruxx lol >< i've generally been chalking it up to not being a native english speaker, but it could be easily construed as either avoiding the question or being too careful with your wording
you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person)
like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"? How am I avoiding questions when I'm answering them? I know I take a long reason answering questions and there's a good reason for that. I don't want to say stupid stuff that's going to come back to bite me in the ass later and get me mis-lynched. What good does it serve me if I have to go back and explain all the errors I made in my statements when I can just get it right the first time? It's a waste of my time and does not help us get anywhere. I don't town-read HF any less for his martyring, but I dislike martyring strongly. In honor of the spirit of the game you should never quit and go against your win condition. I know it's easy to take the high road here, but I don't see how you can play this game and not expect to have to deal with hardships. What pisses me off especially about HF is how I KNOW that he is good at defending himself if he wants to. I was mafia with him last game, I've seen first hand what he's capable of. I was expecting more out of him, but I don't read it as scummy behavior. In fact, I think it makes him even more towny. I think that if HF was scum he would feel an obligation to his mafia team to never give up. From playing and talking with him last game that is what my gut tells me that HF would do. Just look at how he fought against the tides with the red-check on him for such a long time when people kept bringing up the same logic over and over against him. I don't see mafia HF giving up this easily.
I saw how HF was struggling so hard as mafia against all odds last game, and it was a miracle that we won.
I refuse to believe that HF would give up as mafia when he has an obligation to his team, and also his pride on the line as the best scum player on TL.
Like, he was attack from all fronts and I even bussed him super hard and he still didn't give up.
Yes my meta read is based on that one game together, but I believe strongly that HF would not give up as scum.
If you show me a game where he did give up as scum then sure, my townread on him might dip a little, but that doesn't nullify the other things I'm townreading him for.
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