Mafia in the Himalayas - Page 33

Holyflare

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June 29 2015 03:00 GMT

#4409

On June 29 2015 11:59 NydusHerMain wrote:
Like I said, I started giving less of a fuck when we weren't in danger of losing because not only did I townread gb, he had a red check and if you came up miller we could lynch someone scummy anyways. I felt no pressure to really try to solve the ga,e because there were certainties laid out. Same as last day. Mig is confirmed mafia, that's it. Period.

but if you read what I was writing then you should have been contemplating other scenarios? rolecops showing millers, gb checking ls despite saying he town read him etc etc, me flipping miller may have cleared him unnecessarily and you wouldn't even have noticed because you didn't read a word i said?

Holyflare

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June 29 2015 03:10 GMT

#4411

On June 25 2015 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 23 2015 14:45 NydusHerMain wrote:

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If HF is mafia I think this is a very interesting post. He assumes that boxerfred or VA are getting replaced and boxerfred ended up being town so maybe he says this knowing his mafia team mates aren't being up for being replaced and only chose who he sees as lurky town. I would think that this might make VA more likely to be town. Also in a further quote:

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Which makes it sound like he slipped as scum by forgetting his lurky scum partners and decided to overcompensate and panic talked about them when he realized he forgot his partners.

by the way nydus on re-reading your filter, that list is clearly a list of people I think might be mafia, the person getting replaced was between bill murray and mig because combined they had a total of 0 posts, the remaining 3 were mafia reads or people i would just be fine lynching

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have you finished yet? it's been a while and it seems like you're just content ignoring the goings on for about 2 cycles now. I know your play was pretty towny day 1 but in the situation where i am a miller and gb is mafia and there is a role cop you'll be entirely fucked if you're town because you're complacent just lynching me and trusting that that means gb is cop if i'm a miller

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Holyflare

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June 29 2015 03:19 GMT

#4413

On June 29 2015 12:17 NydusHerMain wrote:

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On June 29 2015 12:10 Holyflare wrote:

On June 25 2015 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 23 2015 14:45 NydusHerMain wrote:

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Which makes it sound like he slipped as scum by forgetting his lurky scum partners and decided to overcompensate and panic talked about them when he realized he forgot his partners.

On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:

On June 25 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:
why would you not read everything i wrote before coming to a conclusion? i think the things i've written are pretty damning anyway, for GB and Damdred at least

You looked bored

so I gave a quick post before reading

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At that point I probably wasn't done reading. If gb was mafia fake claiming, and he got a fake red check on a miller by luck, then he deserved the win ... Horrible thing to say as town but that's what I was thinking. It was just such an unlikely scenario that I was willing to Occam's razor it.

mmm I was saying that he could have checked my role because of what he was saying day 1 that I was playing to survive so he could have thought I was a blue and used the role cop ability to find out i'm a miller and fake the red check

but anyway not important anymore, where the hell is everyone else?

Holyflare

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June 29 2015 14:13 GMT

#4421

Let's do a little exercise called actually playing the game of mafia.

If there were no such thing as a cop or red check in a normal game and everything you see points to someone being town and you think he is towny and has a lot of content then why on earth would you ever contemplate lynching that guy? The simple fact of the matter is that you wouldn't. This red check is clouding your actual judgement and making you forget how to play the game.

It's triple lylo and I'm not just going to sit back and let you get away with stuff like this. If I get lynched then we lose and it's on YOU. I absolutely will not accept the excuse post game that you got lazy and followed the red check despite thinking I was towny. I will look down on you as a player if that's how you play this game.

Nobody is interacting with me about nydus or any of the points or anything I'm raising (apart from nydus looool) and it's pathetic.

Holyflare

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June 29 2015 19:15 GMT

#4437

On June 30 2015 03:05 Damdred wrote:

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This logic is bad, VA was more than likely RB if they have one, its impossible for us to know though. But likely to a degree

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You know that this is wrong HF idk why you would say something like this exactly.

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On June 29 2015 11:28 Holyflare wrote:

On June 29 2015 11:12 NydusHerMain wrote:

On June 29 2015 11:08 Holyflare wrote:

On June 29 2015 11:05 NydusHerMain wrote:

On June 29 2015 11:01 Holyflare wrote:

On June 29 2015 10:55 NydusHerMain wrote:

On June 29 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote:

On June 29 2015 10:44 NydusHerMain wrote:
She wanted to lynch MiG at the end and she wanted to lynch you quickly after. It's weird for her to finally die when she's been leading a shit ton of mislynches? Also, I'm not mafia so I'm just going to defend myself like you've been doing for the last couple of days. "ermahgerd I'm not mafia so like ya'll are dum dums"

Anyways, check MiG's filter peeps. Damdred is like his tunnelled scum for a while. I don't think Damdred should be on the table today for lynching. He also only talks about HF when asked to by RS.

This bolded is quite a misrepresentation. I haven't been defending myself like you're insinuating and I find it unlikely that you can say that having said that you are reading the thread.

On June 25 2015 02:51 NydusHerMain wrote:

You looked bored

so I gave a quick post before reading

On June 25 2015 08:25 NydusHerMain wrote:

On June 25 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote:
problem is i don't flip red

I think that you trying so hard near the end makes you leaning town. What I'm thinking is that if MiG made that claim, he had to have been talking to his partners about it in mafia QT. Why would you be trying so hard as if you're the lynch if you're scum partners with MiG and know that he's about to fake claim? It's kinda awkward. I dunno. We'll see later on since this game is about to get into crazy LyLo and I'm unconfirmed so gonna make it til the end (hopefully).

I find it hard how you can say the first bolded after making your stance on me clear the day before (above)

Did you run out of mislynches to push? Nothing has changed since then other than rsoultin relentlessly tunneling on situations that didn't make sense and me correcting her. If you'd like a thorough explanation on why I'll be happy to provide it. Keep on keeping on with your scummy stance changes for no reason though!

What the fuck? You think that if I'm mafia, you're the mislynch I try to land on? You think I'm going to run out of scummy people? Dude, if I'm scum, at least one of damdred, onegu, shockey is town. I can push damdred on inactivity, I can push onegu on inactivity and his LS push, I can push shockey for being scummy overall. Oh wait, I have been pushing on almost all of them this entire game. Everyone who's alive today? I've pushed on except for you until now.

I think you are pushing a logical fallacy "what mafia must have done so you must be mafia" in order to get a towny lynched when you have displayed quite clearly that you think the opposite to what you are pushing today. It's also quite a big stretch that you've been afk for almost 3 cycles now and when it becomes a triple lylo where people have to be pushed for actual logic you disregard it and focus on mafia wifom and nk speculation and the fact that there's a red check while flinging accusations my way. None of what you're saying is based on people's actual play and it's quite scummy.

Perhaps you should read the alive players' filters and decide who is mafia, it would be a lot more helpful and easier to determine whether you're just super misguided or not.

If I've been afk that long, my filter shouldn't be that hard to go through. I've pushed on onegu and shockey for a while now. When I called you town, it was a heat of the moment thing. I called you town in that exact moment because you were trying so hard but if you think about it, there's a chance that MiG decided to claim randomly instead of (what I was more leaning towards) him having gotten a claim ready since the beginning. You as scum partners with MiG fight really hard that day when you're red checked, then suddenly, the votes start turning onto MiG so he decides to claim. Otherwise, a lot of things I have started to think about have lead to you being scum over town. It's called reevaluation.

So what was his play as mafia on the spur of the moment? lynch gb and then gb flips cop and he sacrifices 2 mafia people for gb since the red check is revealed as true??

His play outted the jailer and town sentiment was to lynch you regardless.

No, actually. Town sentiment was overwhelmingly that I was town. I was the only one pushing that I should die purely for the information. So, knowing that I was town read and since you say that the sentiment was going to a Mig lynch. You are saying he claimed tracker on the spur of the moment to reveal the jk and lynch gb. If this was the case then he automatically undoes everything that I was doing the entire day and getting town read just to associate him with me? That was his plan? "hey my buddy hf is doing pretty well at getting town read, let's fuck him over!"

I don't think that's a thing that happens. You're also forgoing my d2 play where the entire day was me getting into a shit fight with GB because me and rsoultin were calling Mig mafia the entire day and Glowingbear was defending him the entire day:

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very likely Mig for doing his shitty switch. BF's post wasn't even bad and I'm pretty sure multiple people had the same reaction as me that it seemed pretty open and honest and Mig had a massive scum read on you (his second post was a case on you) but was very easily switched off of you onto BF

No, it's actually nothing to do with association. If you are town then Mig switched his vote onto a boxerfred whom was not awful looking while having a massive scum read on you all of the game for a really tedious reason. If you flip town it's still scummy because it causes the great confusion we are in today.

On June 21 2015 05:24 Holyflare wrote:
Shockey has been posting his entire thought process. I've been quizzing him endlessly, I'm still not even sure on him. Mig is nowhere in site, he had no reason to switch at all. Absolutely nowhere did he site the reasons "gb is playing and bf isn't even though bf said he couldn't play"

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Like I said previously, he said everything that you were doing was mafia orientated. My point still stands.

You are still intentionally prolonging this exchange because you know it's what you need to survive.

bla bla there's an endless list of me attacking mig and gb doing shit defences of him

Regardless, on another note you keep saying how you've "pushed" shockey and Onegu but outline how some of those people are easy mislynches if you're mafia. Why do you keep mentioning that like it's a point in your favour?

Actually HF this kinda brings a question to mind. I know you did push MIG d2 which isn't really alignment indicative to a point is a slight plus for you I think. However why did you believe migs claim over GB? Was it just a survival type deal to save yourself that day or did you think GB was the scummier of the two at that point? Just take me through your thought process here.

And also people, stop being lazy fucks and look at other people besides HF. There are 2 more mafia besides him, we won't lose the game if we lynch them before we decide if hf is mafia.... Like ignore the red check and look at other people for gods sake.

I don't see how the logic is bad and "I should know it" in the slightest. He's was simply trying to sheep dead players reads when that players reads had been wrong and it didn't make sense to begin with. Not to mention rsoultin wasn't really calling me mafia and if she was it was purely because I was disagreeing with her bad logic.

Either way, if you have to ask me why I believed Mig's claim over GB I'm afraid that 100% means you didn't particularly read day 3 at all. I spent the whole day planning out eventualities for my flip and then decided that even if I did flip miller Glowingbear was very likely scum (had some wild role cop theory too). His lying, his checks not aligning with what he had said at night, his non-reevaluation of players like Onegu when he learnt new information (onegu not being a mason) and his "check" on me being red when his new list of scum reads d3 were the same list I made day 2 and he had called awful and bad. None of what he did made sense + I had like 100+ hours of tunnel on him. It just made "sense" to me that he wasn't the cop and confirmation bias or whatever i just saw red as soon as Mig claimed. (My vote was already on GB beforehand because I wasn't allowed to vote for myself).

The only reason I did not lynch GB day 2 was because his defence of Mig aligned with his check. It eliminated the majority of what I thought about him. Then I learned about the fact it was fake when me and Rsoultin were pushing mig and he literally MADE me tunnel harder on him for no fucking reason whatsoever!? I was like ----- I'm pushing someone you inevitably don't know about and you used a "fake check lie" to get more info about instead of just lynching him. It didn't make the slightest bit of sense.

What makes it worse is that nobody even talked to me for the entirety of the day 3 cycle. Not one person. Rsoultin ignored everything I wrote and just said I was towny and that the point I brought up re:GB's check on ls not making sense was cool and then wanted to vote Mig, ignored everything else. Nydus just didn't even give a shit about what I was writing and ignored it, fidei was just sheeping rsoul, ls/onegy/shockey/ruxxar??????????????????? don't remember them doing anything. Then when the whole thing goes down THE ENTIRE GAME BECAME ACTIVE AGAIN!??!?!?! All of these scummy people came out of the woodwork. LS I can see as being honest here but Onegu's intentions make the LEAST bit of sense. There were 2 confirmed town on Mig. Mig was considered scummy and the 2 confirmed town were pushing for his lynch but he wanted to consolidate with what? The cc and the red check without saying a word and not alluding to having read any of the thread or anything.

On June 25 2015 06:56 Fecalfeast wrote:

Day 3 Vote Count

Holyflare (2): ~~rsoultin~~, GlowingBear, ~~LightningStrike~~, ~~Onegu~~, ~~ruXxar~~, ~~Fidei86~~, NydusHerMain
GlowingBear (5): VayneAuthority, Mig, Holyflare, LightningStrike, Onegu
Mig (3): ruXxar, rsoultin, Fidei86
Damdred (0): ~~Holyflare~~
rsoultin (0): ~~Onegu~~

Not voted (2): ShoCkeyy, Damdred

Clinging to the ledge, GlowingBear hangs over the abyss.
Day 3 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.

If I had to base the game off of just this one vote + based on what people have said their intentions were later, I'd say that Nydus is probably lazy town and LS is just mistaken. That leaves Onegu/rxxa/Shockey/Damdred. Ruxxar voted on Mig but I'll have to look into it to see what he was saying at the lynch, or even whether he was here because I don't remember that well -------------------------watch this space------------------------------------, Shockeyy and Damdred were just flat out afk doing nothing. If I had to base it solely on this lynch + actions throughout the game I'd say it was shockey/damdred/onegu as the remaining mafia. It's a bit more complicated than that though and damdred DOES look a bit more towny sooo /complicatedbrb

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 19:15 GMT

#4438

I mean if you want me to quote the entirety of my posts day 3 on GB i'd be more than happy to, it's quite evident what i thought about him

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 19:29 GMT

#4439

And also people, stop being lazy fucks and look at other people besides HF. There are 2 more mafia besides him, we won't lose the game if we lynch them before we decide if hf is mafia.... Like ignore the red check and look at other people for gods sake.

Also this is EXTREMELY true (apart from the fact I'm not mafia so there is actually 3 people to get). I'm the person that won triple lylo for town in game of thrones. Mafia will probably have to shoot me or get royally fucked for leaving me alive in the next coming days. I've also been known to not try and solve the game as mafia in lylo and there's a lot of lylos so you should be giving me a chance to prove myself repeatedly. I haven't seen people giving legitimate reads in this game for a long while, it's all been based on night action and blue wifom. You shouldn't be doing that.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 19:30 GMT

#4440

Also don't forget that we MUST all be unanimously lynching someone today (not me). You absolutely cannot be spreading votes out because that can enable mafia to all vote switch and win.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 19:42 GMT

#4441

If you still think the red check is real, I implore you to read as many games of mine as you can (there are a loooot and they are all in my profile) and get a better idea of how i play as each alignment.

If you still don't believe it then you should listen to rsoultin's initial reads on me day 1 and 2 when she didn't get super stubborn and tunneled on wifom if you are so inclined.

Holyflare - lol so...apparently not being able to play like i normally do and only getting snapshots of people's play is really hurting my ability to read the more spammy players like hf. this is not his scum play which is rather lackluster (at least to me) ... sorry! town, obviously

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 19:53 GMT

#4442

On June 19 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Like tomorrow I'm going to build a little fort. Its going to have me,hf,ritoky and breshke.

And I'm going to lock all the crazy outside of it.

Were going to lynch ls/shockey, drink squash and play cards.

Then once that's over we can figure out the game.

But no one else is allowed in until then.

On June 19 2015 08:11 ritoky wrote:
bugs and shockeyy are mafia together. will say it again. LS's crap read flop on shockeyy makes me want to lynch him again. don't know why we didn't in the first place.

hf is probably town regardless of gb's alignment. doctor protect him, and not me this time.

damdred wifom me this, had you been here would your vote have stood?

also mig might not be mafia cuz reasons.

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Why?

Also I'm not saying a check on me would be omgus and I also think checking someone who was under heavy suspicion not great because of the possibility of a framer but that's meh logic

I'm not really buying this to be honest but could still see myself lynching Yamato today to see how it plays out

Since a lot of you seem to be saying that you like sheeping dead people's reads anyway, these are the people that were shot by mafia. You are assuming that A) I didn't shoot super obvious claimed mason's rsoul and fidei but instead shot people that were town reading me and scum reading gb?? (Also if you are saying ruxxar/bugs was town then i also would have shot another person town reading me and going after gb??) and on the next day I would have shot ritoky and breshke both of who were town reading me and going after gb's claim like it was still a fake claim.

Now yeh, this is MASSIVE wifom I get it. If you discredit this post though you are hereby denying your future use of nk wifom to scum read me any further.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 20:10 GMT

#4444

It was a facetious attempt to stoop down to their levels

Holyflare

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June 29 2015 20:16 GMT

#4447

On June 30 2015 05:14 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm suspecting that those were role bullets because they didn't know for sure that masons existed but at that point on, they KNEW there was a medic/roleblocker

um any mafia that didn't know rsoultin and fidei were masons after day 1 is playing extremely poorly lol, she blindly defended him from everyone's scum reads all of that day

but yeh, you could be correct about the read flips on day 2

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 20:55 GMT

#4452

not particularly and it's far more effort than just reading the dudes filter and making your own decision lol, like i said the nk wifom is so so so meaningless/far down the meaning charts

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 21:12 GMT

#4453

this is pretty demotivating tbh because even if i put a shit tonne of effort in and shit more town rainbows than i've been doing for the past million cycles then people are still just going to afk and ignore it ~_~

Holyflare

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June 29 2015 21:42 GMT

#4460

On June 27 2015 06:31 ruXxar wrote:
On June 27 2015 04:04 Holyflare wrote:
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On June 26 2015 23:12 ruXxar wrote:

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HF, I'd be happy if you'd read the post I made about you here, and responded to it.

Take it all into consideration and try to imagine it from my point of view.
The chance that you aren't mafia is so small that I can't see a reason to believe that you aren't.
Of course you're going to say that you're town if you're mafia. Anything else would just lose you the game.
Like tell me, if you were a betting man, would you put money on you being mafia or not?

Your reasons are silly and tunneled. I am clearly a miller or framed, stop judging by scenarios and judge by my actual play! Where have i pushed mafia things? I've only pushed what i believe to be the case. Gb said he checked lightningstrike but town read him on n1. He then checks me when he said all of my mafia reads that i had been pushing were his mafia reads? Then mig reveals he's tracker. I believed the sensible option and was wrong. See how that works? The most obvious is not always the case. I was supremely tunneled on gb being mafia and my vote was already on gb before mig claimed tracker.

Like you said. Mig claiming gets a free cop death or ends in his death anyway. Gb said he had to go to school and then mig claimed without the resistance. It's not hard to reason that mig took that chance. Onegu could be mafia anyway and he didn't "need" mafia to do it and i'm not sure why you say mafia must be on it when the majority of the wagon was town. You yourself even started to believe the claim, are you saying you are mafia too?

None of your reasons point to me being mafia. If i'm a tunneled towny and see the person i call mafia all game promote the shittiest reads and checks with bad reasons amd then i see something to convince me I'm right what would i do in that situation? The exact same thing.

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On June 24 2015 06:42 Holyflare wrote:
it doesn't matter, i'll flip vt or miller and then you make sense of his claim later

really don't think mafia would frame me in this case

On June 24 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote:
like seriously this is mafia's thought process if you think i was framed and gb is town:

"yeh gb is fake cop or whatever cz that mig check totally bad, who should we frame guys since he's not the cop? OH that guy that looks pretty towny and shit and will probably never ever get checked?????????"

On June 25 2015 00:21 Holyflare wrote:
If you believe mig is mafia and GB didn't get rb'd or killed because they thought he was fake claiming, then they would never ever in their life frame me since GB is the only one that would ever check me.

On June 25 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote:
but this doesn't matter, they'll see my flip and go straight for you

btw to everyone else, if he ever ever ever claims that i must be framed, do NOT believe that bull shit

Clearly you were not framed. So the *only* reason you were redchecked is that you're a miller.

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I agree that this didn't make much sense.

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The only reason there was so many town people on that wagon was because VA outed himself. If VA didn't confirm that he went to bugs, I doubt very few town people would've actually switched to GB. I know I would never even have considered it if it wasn't for VA.
There is *no way* that mig could've expected that "support" from VA.
Hence he needed support from other mafioso to even have a shot. Otherwise he would've just let you die.
I already showed you why mig wasn't in danger.

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Everything else aside, you want me to take the 1/13 chance that you are the miller? That is a 8% chance.
I'm not taking those odds.

You've made several posts like these where you use extra knowledge that doesn't quite make sense. You declare that mafia must be on the wagon with Mig because mafia must need to support him. IF YOU BELIEVE THIS SCENARIO then it's almost IMPOSSIBLE for me to be mafia unless you think the mafia plan was to destroy 2 of their team. It's been laid out several times. You ignore all of this logic. You declare wild statements that mafia needed to do something but then never follow it up with what happens if i'm town or any other situation that could possibly happen. You ignore onegu being mafia (yes yes you scum read him at other points) but use the logic that mafia must have needed to support him to paint ME as mafia and NOT Onegu. It doesn't make a single bit of sense.

You think i'm a good player, great, you think that I look towny and everyone has been town reading me but the only reason at the end of the day you think i'm mafia is because of a red check and THAT doesn't make sense when there is countless information to suggest the opposite.

On June 28 2015 09:33 ruXxar wrote:

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Correct.

I've heard multiple times that you are *the* best scum player on TL.
It's not hard for me to imagine the best scum player on the site shitting town rainbows everywhere.

You call the red-check arbitrary, but you can't just erase the fact that it happened.

I'll give you props for playing well no matter what alignment you are.
I'm not blaming you for being a good player.

I'll be more pissed at the person we end up lynching if he turns out to be town, and he just didn't bother to actually play the game.

On June 30 2015 06:23 ruXxar wrote:

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How is my logic weird?
I'm trying to win the game, not hand out brownie points for appearing towny.
Yes it sucks that town people look scummier than you, doesn't mean they are scum, just means you are better at appearing towny than they are.

Also I did not change my stance on you.

I don't believe that a person that wants to win the game like you claim would stick to the red check when it's been proven that:

a) it doesn't make any sense for me to be mafia with Mig unless he decided to be a dick and kill his team mate for no reason
b) it's been said a million times by people more experienced with my play that i'm town
c) you've even suggested you would do other things than flat out believe i was mafia from a red check and have failed to do so:

On June 28 2015 08:15 ruXxar wrote:

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Could you explain this sentence? I know that it's possible to be framed or miller, but still that's a pretty low chance.

According to your logic I would be voting for Onegu / shockey. Most likely Onegu. Which wouldn't feel bad at all to me.

I guess since there are 3 mafia left and we *have* to lynch correctly every day, we should go for the safest option first. If we get even 1 incorrectly we lose and the game is over.

Then it's really up for discussion though what you would consider as the scummiest player.
Can having a redcheck on you be considered scummy? I think it could be argued that it is, but it seems I'm pretty lonley in that view.

On June 28 2015 09:09 ruXxar wrote:

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Sigh... the more everyone doubts the redcheck the less certain I become myself.
If everyone has a different opinion than me, it's more likely that I'm in the wrong.
You all have more experience than me, so maybe I'm reading the situation wrong.

In the end it doesn't matter since we have to catch all 3 mafia anyway to win.

I'll put HF away for a bit and try a different approach.
I'll see if I can find any associations with mig now that he's flipped.

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On June 29 2015 23:11 ruXxar wrote:
##Vote holyflare

you sure look like someone trying to solve the game and not someone trying to push a mislynch on me!

On June 30 2015 06:33 ruXxar wrote:

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Why shouldn't RS die over VA?
VA hadn't outed the fact that he was jailkeeper at that point.

I really like your point about keeping RS alive if HF is town and let her get the ML going.

and I KNOW you can't believe this post (not to mention the timeline is wrong) if you think I am mafia at all. Kelsier/ritoky/breshke all looking at GB negatively and I nk'd them all as mafia but you don't bat an eyelid to that information but as soon as something implicates me in 0 ways (you know... you totally ignore the part where rsoultin was posting and va hasn't said shit all game) you jump on it like a hooker jumps on a guys dick for money.

Also, you can't possibly believe what you say in the second point if you didn't think VA had outed as JK because rsoul was a claimed blue and playing the game, who else would die? You seem to be just grabbing anything that paints me in a scummy light and never letting go.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 29 2015 21:45 GMT

#4462

On June 24 2015 06:17 ruXxar wrote:
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On June 24 2015 06:03 rsoultin wrote:

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-flicks- not true. i'm just opinionated lol >< being confirmed town is hella nice though

okay let me break this down for people in an easy-to-follow format

1. We need to determine whether or not we believe Glowingbear's claim now as opposed to later. It's common sense, but if you're the real cop here and we're lynching GB's red check, you claim.

2. We need to determine whether or not we believe the red check is real. What I mean by this, is do we think Holyflare is actually scum? There is the potential for millers and a MAFIA FRAMER in the game, which means that GB's could be real but his results are still false. THE FLIP TO DETERMINE ALIGNMENT IS A BAD IDEA. SCUM CAN BUSS AND CLAIM A FAKE CHECK. THERE COULD BE A FRAMER. STOP BEING LAZY.

Everyone needs to address these two questions separate of the check.

Here's how I see it:

This is the order of events:

- GB claims DT.
- GB claims greencheck on mig.
- Night 1 ends.
- GB does *not* die.

This means that mig should be confirmed mafia since the mafia would KNOW the greencheck was false and not kill GB since they thought the claim was fake.

This makes me think it's better to actually lynch mig first, since we have the strongest evidence for him being mafia.
The check on HF could, as you said be either a framer or a miller, so it's better to go with the sure option first.

Until someone CC's I'll believe GB's claim.

##Vote mig

What changed from here to now? Lot's of evidence to suggest i'm town but now you need my mislynch because the poe is running out.

Holyflare

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June 30 2015 00:18 GMT

#4481

GB makes a play that reveals that Mig is mafia. Mig would have definitely died that day instead of me, especially when the 2 masons were on him and pushing for his lynch over mine. If he didn't die that day and I died (free mislynch for mafia) mafia then need to kill the cop/the jk/2 masons and whatever else there is there.

Look at this from a mafia perspective.

Mig does not counter claim and I get mislynched. Mig would die if I flipped miller the next day without a doubt in my mind.

1 mislynch, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 4 blue roles with 1kp each night, don't know who jk is either

Mig does not counter claim and he dies. Mig dies, GB needs to be killed at night but might get saved, I get mislynched the next day, mafia don't have a role cop to find out who the jker is.

1 POTENTIAL mislynch, mig 100% dies, need to kill 4 blue roles and they don't know who jker is

If mig counter claims, GB dies - 3 blues needed to be killed with 1kp each night - Mig 100% dies the next day, cop is revealed as true and holyflare gets lynched because of it as ANOTHER mislynch

2 mislynches, mig 100% dies, mafia need to kill 3 blue roles with 1kp each night, mybe jk claims and they know who it is

If both me and mig are mafia and he cc's gb

1 POTENTIAL mislynch, BOTH ME AND MIG DIE when gb flips cop since mig is revealed from trap and i have been red checked, 3 more blues to find and potentially a jker outs or doesn't out

1 POTENTIAL mislynch, -2 mafia, potentially find out who jker is if they out themselves or use role cop
1 mislynch, -1 mafia, gb confirmed cop and maybe doesn't die and they need to medic dodge +1 confirmed
1 POTENTIAL mislynch
2 mislynches, -1 mafia, only 3 blues to kill and jker found

which one do you think mafia takes? the one where they kill 2 of their team mates for 1 potential mislynch play on gb or the one where they get 2 mislynches in both me and gb and perhaps out the jker? I think it's quite obvious I would not allow the shit play to happen 10/10 times if I was mafia because it's fucking dumb

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 30 2015 00:20 GMT

#4483

On June 30 2015 08:49 ruXxar wrote:

Show nested quote +

Hmm.. didn't think of that. good point.

The post you criticised me in had that exact line in it -.- -.- -.-

On June 30 2015 04:30 Holyflare wrote:
Also don't forget that we MUST all be unanimously lynching someone today (not me). You absolutely cannot be spreading votes out because that can enable mafia to all vote switch and win.

I'm really finding it hard to believe you're actually thinking logically about this game at all when you nitpick individual points and try and turn it into me being scummy instead.

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 30 2015 00:34 GMT

#4485

i.... did that pretty much all game!?!??!?!??!?!?!

onegu/shockey/(you/damd/nydus, probably not nydus and maybe damd, leaning towards you for ignoring the gameplay and sticking to a red check since people have been red checked as millers in many games before and people seem quite capable of overlooking that and judging them on their play and making the right decision instead) a red check is the easiest bs to push right now

will continue to do stuff though

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

June 30 2015 04:38 GMT

#4499

You realise the whole point of the JK is to save people right and later in the game maybe roleblock offensively? I don't think mafia would look out for people scum reading the person, especially if they originally thought that person was towny enough to save. If anything it would be the opposite.

You seem to post that the person who did the saving knows the alignment of bugs/ruxxar. Also mafia would know if he was saved because one of their kp would be missing on the target they chose (in this case bugs/ruxxar). I think it's a pretty futile attempt looking at why mafia kill people.

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