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On June 15 2015 23:21 ruXxar wrote:
Im changing my My read on sulfur to town.
I'll explain further when I get home.
Here's my reasoning on sulfur:
1. Sulfur under pressure of getting lynched tries to accuse townread trfel of being mafia, and hard defends Rels.
This play is so bad that I don't even think a bad mafia would make this play, but still it's possible.
2. After n00bking's epitaph where he recommended to lynch sulfur as #1, moosy went of the offensive.
On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary.
Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name.
On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum?
On June 15 2015 07:47 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? Bussing is a known thing friend. That is why you are last in the line.
On June 15 2015 07:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:42 ruXxar wrote:
Gaaah, my head hurts real bad right now.
I can't understand sulfurs logic at all.
Why would he defend rels so hard yet make such a terrible play to not become a lynch target.
It makes no sense to me.
His actions are so inconsistent.
On one hand he hard defends rel for god knows what reason,
Then he makes a terrible play that I don't think a mafia would do.
I want some second opinions in this. Sulfurus is just plain scum lol. He's trying to play like he usually does but the role of a Mafia teammate is interfering with his play. Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 07:45 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 07:35 Kickstart wrote:
Maybe me being suspicious of all of them early day 1 will buy me some town cred???? I need some after being afk so long. Don't worry. It looks like Rels -> Sulfurus right now. If both are right, I'm pretty sure we'll have to vote to kill ruXxar and we always have cop to check if necessary. I'm sorry, why would you vote me out when I agree they are scum? You have no choice but to agree looking at how everyone is voting against them and there's too much evidence against them.
3. I then push really hard on sulfur to get his thoughts on Rels. He STILL didn't want to change his view on Rels and vote for him.
If he was mafia scum, and the #1 suspect by n00bking. Would he not also vote for rels to try to clear his name? Any sane mafia person would.
4. If I were mafia together with with sulfur, and our only chance of winning was to bus Rels as the first lynch target, would I not instruct my mafia teammate to also vote on Rels?
I can only conclude that Sulfurus is Town
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On June 16 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:First of all, I don't know if you're trying to accuse me of Mafia or trying to clear Sulfurus. It seems like you're doing both which doesn't matter in any case because I disagree with both. 1. Sulfurus is trying to bring Trfel under the light which is a huge mistake. It makes no sense in any way whatsoever. It's either a very bad play or a weak attempt as Mafia to avoid being lynched. There is actually no way to excuse this attempt. No mafia in my mind can be that stupid.
If it's a mafia playing to win he made 2 huge mistakes.
-He selected a terrible target as lynch target.
-He tied himself very closely to Rels, which people already suspected was mafia.
Sulfurus was already about to be voted out.
Then trelf accused rels and some people switched over.
If he was a mafia playing to win and he got lynched with the 5 votes he had at that point, then the immediate next target would've been rels.
If it wasn't for bats tell on geript, then town would've lynched sulfurus and then automatically we would've lynched rels next.
Why would he tie himself to Rels and not just let himself die in silence.
That is such a terrible play that I think no mafia would ever do.2. The reason I went on the offensive was to clarify n00bKing's suspicions that you might have been Mafia which you inadequately defended yourself on btw. - I first asked you whether you thought Rels and Sulfurus were scum. You said they were.I thought there was an association between Rels and sulfurus, moreso from Rels side than from Sulfurus side.
I already expressed why I evaluated that way here:
Post 1
Post 2
Which both batsnacks and you later sheeped in your arguments.
Bat
Moosy
Later I expressed my confusion about Sulfurus move, which I actually thought about before n00bking mentioned it, but I didn't tell anyone here about it.
Link
- I then pointed out that this might be a case of busing. You pretended or really didn't know what we were talking about.What I said is that your busing argument made no logical sense at all, considering that according to n00bking me rels and sulfur were already the top 3 suspects.
And you even said that I was the top lynch target.Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:Busing means that you're sacrificing your Mafia teammate to buy more time for yourself to convince others that you're not Mafia. A good way to do this would be to play dumb or find someone else to lynch.  ruXxar, feel glad. Although n00bKing is probably rolling in his grave right now, the reason I wanted the order of lynching to be Rels, Sulfurus, and then you is because I still think that you could be a townie.If we had it completely n00bKing's way, you would be the first lynch. Which you only corrected after I pointed it out, which means you actually used that as your logic when you made that statement.Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 08:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 08:13 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not buying that crap.
Nowhere does n00b say in his last post that he wants to lynch me first.
Please try again. First lynch after Sulfurus.* - I then pointed out that there's no reason for you to listen to Sulfurus's argument as you just said he was scum. For some reason, you kept on associating yourself with someone you said was scum and tried to listen to the basis of an argument that was unsound from the start. At this point you decided to leave and never replied.Why would you NOT want to hear people defend themselves? This is totally backwards logic and no town would say such a thing.
I also said I was going to sleep. How is that deciding to leave and never reply?
It was 3 am when i made that statement and I had to get up at 7.
Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 10:19 ruXxar wrote:
I'm going to bed now and then to work in the morning.
I'll catch up with you all after that.
I hope that sulfur has answered my question by then or im going to be really disappointed.
- I won't even mention the fact that you're always following one wagon or another as I'm sure people will be able to look through your filter and see how you were always agreeing with almost every case out there.I was one of the first people to suspect bats, and I stuck to bats even after a lot of people changed votes.
I would've voted for bats 100% if he didn't pull his "patented bat trap™"
3. Both Sulfurus and Rels were under fire. If they immediately began attempting to bus each other, it would most certainly be an assertion that they were Mafia. The only thing that they can do at this point is try and defend each other the best that they can. This point is weak. Adressed this above4. No because both Sulfurus and Rels were primary suspects and are after n00bKing's post. The only reason why you would be able to get away with busing is because mostly everyone thought that you were town and it would be simplest for you to disassociate yourself from them. Which, I'd like to point out, you do by jumping on the n00bKing wagon immediately. Even now you're only revoking your argument because Rels is here and making a case for Sulfurus. I cast doubt on the votes on sulfurus as far back as Page 35 when noone else was.
Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:03 ruXxar wrote:
I'm trying to figure out why people are scumreading sulfurus.
I read through his filter and I found nothing to make me read him as either alignment.
I don't see why you're so scared to make a stand for yourself and persist in wagoning off of other people's arguments.I've made my stand, you're next
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On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
He's a shitty town.
That doesn't make him mafia.
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On June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me.
I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game.
That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh).
After reading Rels posts:.
Who are your top town reads.
Who are your top scum?
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On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.
How so?
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On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.
Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on.
And why won't you read rels posts?!....
As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible.
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On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.
Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on. And why won't you read rels posts?!.... As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible. Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly. Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things?
It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them.
We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him.
What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing.
That's not a very towny perspective now is it?
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On June 16 2015 05:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.
Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on. And why won't you read rels posts?!.... As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible. Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly. Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things? It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them. We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him. What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing. That's not a very towny perspective now is it? Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched.
I see you're at it again with you "Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs."
We all saw how that worked out with geript.
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Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
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On June 16 2015 05:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:31 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've already said I haven't read much of Rels' posts.
Top scum is still absolutely Sulf. If the only reason to not lynch him is because 'oh well he did this shit in another game,' then that's not nearly enough.
Not much else has changed to be honest, other than the fact that I'd probably bump Rels up on my list to that muddle of 'null' players.
Other two are more than likely amongst Damdred/you(ruxxar)/Rels/Scott/Kickstart. I think Oats re-gets a townread for feels and you move down slightly because I dunno how you could be voting moosy and calling Sulf town without some shenanigans going on. And why won't you read rels posts?!.... As a town it's your duty to stay informed so you can make a judgement based on as much information as possible. Because they're long, boring, and mostly useless clearly. Can you explain to me what makes them particularly important in the grand scheme of things? It gives us a window into how he thinks, who he suspects, why he suspects them. We can use them to see if he's making good or bad reads, if his alignment is the same as ours, and to better judge him. What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather he had said nothing. That's not a very towny perspective now is it? Yeah I'd be happier if sulfur is lynched but I'd be happier if ruxxar was lynched. I see you're at it again with you "Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs." We all saw how that worked out with geript. I'm not sure what bats said has anything to do with geript's supposed scumslip.
He's nitpicking on a word that was supposedly a "slip" from me.
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On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment.
I made a compelling argument for why he wouldn't be mafia.
Why don't you refute that instead.
I'm a newb playing mafia for the first time, and even I thought that move was so bad it was cringeworthy.
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On June 16 2015 05:51 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. I made a compelling argument for why he wouldn't be mafia. Why don't you refute that instead. I'm a newb playing mafia for the first time, and even I thought that move was so bad it was cringeworthy.
It actually reminds me of the same play I made when I called out Moosy's supposed blue role earlier.
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On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount?How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless.
Ok so here's a thought.
You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes?
If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town?
I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game.
Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense?
Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN?
Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him?
Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia.
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On June 16 2015 06:03 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:00 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 05:55 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:53 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 16 2015 05:48 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 05:44 ruXxar wrote:
Just to make it clear to everyone.
I wouldn't mind if Sulfur was lynched for his complete lack of contribution.
However, I would much rather try to lynch a mafia than a shitty town any day of the week.
Wanna know the easiest way to tell the difference between mafia and shitty town? Be mafia. Like seriously there is no way you should be able to tell the difference as town given what sulfur has provided, unless you are mafia and you actually know sulfur's alignment. Well except that this would belie that Sulf is actually town and Ruxxar's case is a simple case of TMI, and I have a very hard time believing that Sulf is town. Associations aside I still don't know if I'd lynch Ruxxar first, but I think at this point I'd do it over Rels. Votecount?How many people are still on him actually, because that may be some interesting info too considering how quickly the wagon started at the beginning of the day. If ruxxar and sulfur are both mafia I don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar is defending his scum mate who has all but left their team to fend for themselves. I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that ruxxar's case is TMI. So sulfur's alignment doesn't matter, ruxxar is scummy regardless. Ok so here's a thought. You're a mafia. It's an exciting role yes? If you rolled mafia would you not be more inclined to actually stay alive and win than if you were town? I can understand the IDGAF attitude if you roll vanilla town, but as mafia I would be way more interested in the game. Why would sulfurus STILL not even ATTEMPT to mount some sort of defense? Is he breaking the rules of the mafia game and not playing to WIN? Does he honestly think that I alone am going to be able to save him? Not in a million years when I'm already suspect as mafia. This works both ways. Why would sulfur not attempt to mount some sort of defense as town if his win condition is to keep town alive and lynch mafia? So no this is not a reason to townread sulfur.
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
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If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read.
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On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this?
Please quote the post where I said this:
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On June 16 2015 06:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. Ruxxar do you know what TMI means?
In mafia speak, no.
In daily speak : Too much information?
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On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? Please quote the post where I said this: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
You misunderstood completely.
That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him.
Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red.
I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy.
As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before.
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On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? Please quote the post where I said this: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
Me saying I'm confident in my read on sulfurus being town has nothing to do with me being mafia together with him.
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On June 16 2015 06:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 06:21 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2015 06:10 batsnacks wrote:On June 16 2015 06:09 ruXxar wrote:
If for any reason sulfurus flips and he's red, you can lynch me next night 100%, I won't even be mad.
I'm that confident in my read. 1 post ago you just explained that sulfurus flipping red makes you town. Even though you were wrong wtf even is this? Please quote the post where I said this: ARE YOU SERIOUS??? On June 16 2015 06:05 ruXxar wrote:
Because if he's mafia and i'm mafia and I still try to protect him despite the fact that he has given up then I'm an idiot no?
Basically what wave said.
You misunderstood completely. That sentence says that if he's a mafia given up the game, and I'm also a mafia, then I'm idiot for defending him. Ergo only an idiot mafia would defend sulfurus if he's red. I'd like to think I'm better than that so I would've bussed sulfur a long time ago if I actually was his mafia buddy. As for why sulfur isn't mafia in an isolated scope, I've already made that argument before. You're right about the earlier stuff, and it isn't all that convincing, but I've already explained why your case for Sulf being town is pretty worthless. The more convincing argument is actually the TMI, and even though I have a hard time believing you're right, it still makes you look scummy either in which case the play would be to lynch you first. I'm going to hold off for now and let some other people comment on this because it's been beaten to death. Damdred and Scott I'm particularly interested in what you two have to say.
Are you going to explain what TMI is in the context of mafia?
I did not find any reference acronym in the mafiascum wiki.
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