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Trfel
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On June 14 2015 05:56 geript wrote: Wow, what a compelling argument. Guys, I guess geript is town after all.I've really been trying to be much nicer when I play, but there's a serious lack a brain cells if that argument catches on. | ||
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On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote: We should definitely not talk about this.I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. Let the blue roles decide how to use their abilities. Talking about it openly only gives scum more information, which can be extremely valuable. | ||
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I think I've only lynched scum on Day 1 once before. And never in a newbie game. | ||
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I'll take a look at geript's filter tonight, and re-evaluate. I'm just frustrated that after all that, we ended up lynching town. I really thought we were looking good. Batsnacks is still probably town. | ||
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WaveofShadow, I don't understand how a player of your caliber can just vanish before the lynch and come back after it. You even came back after the later deadline. Can you please explain this? | ||
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On June 14 2015 10:40 WaveofShadow wrote: You know enough to be around at the deadline. If you can't be around at the deadline, I expect you to say so in advance, or have a really good reason.What the fuck does 'a player of my calibre' have to do with being present in thread, even IF 'a player of my calibre' even meant anything? While I wish that even the newest players would be around for the deadline, I have different standards for newbies and for veterans. | ||
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I still feel like Rels is pretty scummy. Sulfurus is starting to look a bit worse as well. I'm having some trouble with scott31337, and Kickstart's absence is starting to be a little concerning. Damdred might also be scum. n00bKing, WaveofShadow, both are almost certainly town. MoosyDoosy is probably town. Argh, EON too fast. | ||
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The best part is that n00bKing left a very detailed legacy post. I'll make sure to read through his filter when I get a chance. | ||
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I should be able to fully catch up by tonight at the latest. | ||
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On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote: This makes no sense to me given this post here.So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote: Please explain. I'm more interested in this than the case on MoosyDoosy that follows.Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks ##Vote geript MoosyDoosy, I know you've explained this a few times already, but I'm not sure I understand. On June 14 2015 07:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: You made this post without knowing that geript flipped his alignment. My impression is that you are less convinced that geript is scum, and your worry for him actually being town caused you to be less convinced that Sulfurus and Rels were scum? Is this correct?Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason. Either way, I think that everyone should look over everything again. On June 15 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: How can you conclude that ruXxar is town based on this? If he's town, it's a bad play to bring it up because it draws attention to it. If he's scum, it's a bad play to bring it up because he would want to keep it secret and just shoot you. And I don't see anything in his tone that gives me a good read.^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar. On June 15 2015 01:39 ruXxar wrote: It was a strange change in behavior. However, using Bat Traps is an indicator of batsnacks being town. Batsnacks looks significantly better after that geript push, despite the result.Actually, I think there should be more discussion in general around the batsnacks trap case. Was I the only one that found it a strange change in behavior from him? Also, wow. Those points that batsnacks raised about Rels are really strong. Rels certainly has a lot to say for himself. ##vote Rels On June 15 2015 05:50 ruXxar wrote: Teams are randomized. Plus, it's best to go one lynch at a time.Here's some food for thought. So far we have scum reads on 2 mafia, Rels and Sulfu. Both are newbies. How likely do you think that all 3 mafia are in the newbie group? Would it not make sense that at least 1 mafia is part of the veteran group? People who have played previous newbie games, what is usually the distribution of mafia on newbie/veteran side? On June 15 2015 06:59 n00bKing wrote: This part of n00bKing's post is rather ironic. But I need to disagree here. N00bKing's lynch theory was hardly the most important contribution he's made to the thread, and I see no reason to believe it. There are several reasons for lynching him, one of them being that he's townread by most everyone in the game and is rather active. This is shown by people being suspicious of him during the night, and that suspicion went nowhere fast. N00bKing was almost certainly not going to be lynched this game.I don't particularly expect to be killed tonight. But just in case that happens, here's where my thoughts are at. Briefly, let's consider what it means if I do get killed. There was one post I made that I backreferenced twice, and is probably the post that would be most strongly associated with me. It was this one: I didn't have any luck whatsoever trying to get geript out of the noose, and some players (like damdred and batsnacks) have been saying that a lot of my posts can just be safely ignored. Based on all that, I don't think the scum players would kill me, to make it look like they were trying to silence me, to FRAME one of Sulfurus/batsnacks, if they were both actually town. Rather, the scum team would only kill me if my Theory was indeed correct, and one of Sulfurus/batsnacks IS scum. So remember, if the scum team kills me, the Theory is correct. We already know that I still think the Theory is correct, and I've mentioned some possible teammates for batsnacks (damdred, Moosy) if he is the bad guy in this scenario. And I said that I also had some ideas in mind about who could be possible teammates for Sulfurus, if he is the bad guy in this scenario. So here goes. The association case that n00bKing presents is very interesting, but I generally don't like association cases. I have various levels of suspicions about the people that he suspected, though. On June 14 2015 13:08 Sulfurus wrote: This read makes no sense. I didn't scumread Rels for changing his position a lot. I created a list of Rels' reads and used that as a basis for the arguments presented below, leaving the initial work there for people to check the evidence themselves. Please read more carefully.You basically said Rels his scum for changing his position a lot which isn't even alignment indicative. Like if you like at way rels changes his vote he actually does it in a very townie way giving good logic every time he's done. You on the other hand changed your vote to Geript sporadically (without even giving a read on him at any previous point in the thread) simply because Bats found a 'slip'. On June 15 2015 08:45 Sulfurus wrote: Catching ONE scum is enough of a challenge for me, much less catching multiple. If I can find someone who looks really scummy to lynch, that's about as much as I can hope for. I've been asking questions and pushing my suspicions, so I don't really understand how you can say that I've only been pushing one person.Can someone besides trfel explain to me why he is being so universally town read? I admit looking back his tunnel on rels is better then I thought but that's it. He has spent all his time on this one player and doesn't have good reads on anyone else yet multiple players have put him at the top of their townlists. On June 15 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote: Posts like this are useless, and give me the feeling that Kickstart isn't invested in this game. He got townread, and then left for a long time. This isn't alignment indicative, but now that he's back, he isn't pushing the thread, or asking questions (which I really would expect, given how much he missed), but he's lurking and only responding when someone called for a cop check on him (right at the start of the day). Why doesn't he simply prove himself through his actions, or find scum?Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves. This is a huge contrast to the Kickstart at the start of the game, and the Kickstart I have seen before. And I don't like it one bit. On June 15 2015 11:18 Kickstart wrote: Wait, MORE of this? I don't understand why town!Kickstart would make these posts that don't provide any content and don't help town at all. Pure excuses, no scumhunting whatsoever.Of course me coming back after being afk looks bad, good job pointing out the obvious. Would you prefer I stayed afk? I don't need to make excuses cause it comes down to real life stuff which isn't anyone's business. Deal with it or don't. Me apologizing is because I don't think it is fair to everyone that I was afk when I am normally much more active. I should just ignore people commenting on me coming back but it annoyed me. On June 15 2015 11:38 WaveofShadow wrote: What is the mafia incentive for pushing Rels hard at times, and at other times going with other wagons? That's a lousy way to go about a bus, and if I'm scum and Rels is town, why would I keep jumping around between flipped town geript, likely town batsnacks, and assumed town Rels?Trfel - First to jump on the wake of Bat's 'discovery.' Eh. On looking through I thought he was on Rels all day and then dropped his amazing case instantly in favor of even after this post: But he was onto batsnacks as well at one point. It does kinda look as though he almost doesn't believe his own case at times because of his initial dropoff from Rels onto bats, then as bats lost ground back onto rels again and onto Geript. He does put a LOT of effort into his rels push when he is on him though so at the same time it seems doubtful that this is a half-assed push where he was just looking for an out. Not sold either on this one. Also liked his activity around the lynch and his first post after flip. Given the lackluster way geript was playing, I was suspicious of him. I didn't want to lynch him for that alone, though, because of the weekend and because of the potential risk. However, when batsnacks caught what I thought was a scumslip, this new information convinced me to lynch geript. If I didn't re-evaluate based on new information, that would be more telling. WaveofShadow, with your geript wagon analysis in mind, what do you think about ruXxar, given that you were townreading him earlier? + Show Spoiler [Quote] + On June 15 2015 11:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol also this moosy vs ruxxar business. I gotta say moosy you're scaring me a little because if I'm going to get burned by one of you it looks like you'd be the one. I can visibly see you improving in the middle of this game and part of me wonders if it's because you were sandbagging all along. Rels is looking pretty bad, the evidence presented by batsnacks pushes it over the top. Rels hasn't seemed at all interested in defending himself. I'm more than happy to lynch him. Kickstart is also looking quite bad. I just don't understand how a townie can be gone for many important events, then come back and only post saying that "being afk isn't alignment indicative". No scumhunting, no questions, no analysis, just excuses. I just don't know about Sulfurus any more. For scumreading me, he seems uninterested in pushing it, but he's so inactive that I'm not sure if this even applies. I just really hope that power roles or associations sort this out. Would like to see a response from Sulfurus about the flaws I've pointed out in his scumread of me. Damdred still feels off. I can't quite put my finger on it, though, beyond a few tells that are best kept to myself for now. I need to take a careful look at his filter in the near future. Also need to look more closely at MoosyDoosy, ruXxar, and Oatsmaster. | ||
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On June 16 2015 00:46 ruXxar wrote: Wait.... what???Moosy and kick then both HARD agree that I have to bus rels and sulfur as the only chance to clear my name. The amount of content that Rels put out is just insane.... and while I don't like all of his points, he does raise some good points (particularly some of the ones against scott31337). I don't really like his response to batsnacks' case, but if he is scum, it's really impressive that he would go through all that work when he seemed to be completely doomed. ##unvote | ||
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On June 16 2015 03:35 batsnacks wrote: I need to look into that some more.You should read that thing I said about ruxxar being mafia because he voted me for 99% of d1 only to sheep me hard at the last second on a town wagon for reasons that he considers bad and a mistake. Then you should vote ruxxar because he's probably the best lynch. And I'm also thinking about lynching Kickstart or scott31337. But I have some work to do now, so I can't filter dive for at least another hour or two. And I don't really like Rels' case on MoosyDoosy at all. I'm reasonably confident that MoosyDoosy is town, and Rels' reasons weren't terribly compelling. | ||
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On June 16 2015 08:03 Damdred wrote: Have you bothered to look at the order in which these events happened.Sure got busy at work. Super large bulky posts with little activity besides that. Has good posts on rel, has the lynch ready to be pushed through. Instead of pushing counterwagon jumps off instantly on bats slip case on Geript. Someone who trfel had previously scum read. Start of today immediately was like bats case good sheep. Keeps mentioning worried about me without actually doing anything. Ie basically is soft pushing. Lack of scum hunting reliance on huge posts most won't read. Looks like trfel is doing lots when,isn't.~ Batsnacks' play was getting more towny before he caught geript in the supposed scumslip. Furthermore, the fact that he pointed this out was a pretty big indicator that he was town, also showing that he used Bat Traps (was talking with scott31337 about this in hidden text that this is an indicator of him being town that was previously missing. As for long posts, give me a break. If people don't want to read my posts, then they don't deserve to hear what I have to say... I've taken care to make them readable, and there's no reason why spreading my thoughts over several posts is any better than using a single post. Admittedly my play is more sporadic than normal, and this is because I'm home from college now. Family takes precedence over mafia games. This is the second mafia game I've played in the month and a half since I came home, and the first one was on a smurf (I smurfed in an attempt to not play to the same activity and standard that I normally do). While back at school, I had the freedom to play whenever I wanted. If you want to lynch me, come up with some actual reasons, please. | ||
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On June 13 2015 02:08 scott31337 wrote: So, geript is good as scum, but is playing worse than his mafia capabilities (and also therefore worse than his town capabilities, assuming he helps town at least a little more when he's town than when he's mafia). It's simply not alignment indicative, but scott31337 uses this as an excuse to not do anything about his geript read.Geript has four posts and very little content. I know he's good as mafia - but on the scum side of null for now. On June 13 2015 07:29 scott31337 wrote: In addition to the (at the time) easy target (MoosyDoosy), he said he could lynch everyone who could be a lynch target for the day, everyone that everyone else had been suspecting. He could be credited with leaving Rels out of the "could lynch" category, but then:Who I'm liking so far - Wave Trfel n00bKing Damdred Oats Probably wouldn't lynch today - Rels Kickstart Could Lynch - Batsnacks Geript MoosyDoosy Sulfurus RuXxar On June 14 2015 05:13 scott31337 wrote: So, nope.I can get aboard this and feeling better then a Sulf lynch - you pulled a lot of work Trfel. You the man! Reading through his filter, he only twice provided analysis on a player that is longer than one sentence. Combine that with how unoriginal he's been and how he's been willing to lynch everyone who might possibly be lynched, and he looks pretty scummy. I'm used to scott31337 being much more willing to go his own way and explain why. I feel like I kind of got pocketed when he pointed out the Bat Traps thing to me in url code earlier. It was a good point, but he never acted on it. I wish I had noticed sooner. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Kickstart 1. Early posts don't attempt to provide reads + Show Spoiler + (first post in thread excluded as it obviously couldn't contain a read) On June 12 2015 08:14 Kickstart wrote: Liers means if you say you are going to do something but don't when it comes to forum mafia. Also good job breaking one of my rules, you answered a question directed at me! On June 12 2015 08:15 Kickstart wrote: But I might give you points for answering it correctly. Maybe. Probably not. On June 12 2015 08:16 Kickstart wrote: Also lol@ruxxar not finding the jokey first posts 'genuine enough'. You so silly. or scum. Ill let you decide which it is. On June 12 2015 08:17 Kickstart wrote: Oh also, dont forget that you have to 'actually' vote in the other thread. Generally you still say it here as well though so that people are sure to read it. On June 12 2015 08:19 Kickstart wrote: Day1 just at game start association cases are bad. Especially when I'm not scum. On June 12 2015 08:21 Kickstart wrote: And there are 3 mafia, 10 town. There are probably blue roles and possibly mafia roles but this we do not know, only the possibility that there is. On June 12 2015 08:29 Kickstart wrote: I'm joking with him it means nothing. His statement was silly and scummy, I said I would let him decide which one he wants us to classify it as. (hint: I think it is mildly scummy). On June 12 2015 10:08 Kickstart wrote: I've explained the no lying thing, read please. If you say you will do something do it - that is what is generally meant in forum mafia about lying. If you say " I will give my reads at such and such time", then you better do it, etc etc. On June 12 2015 10:09 Kickstart wrote: And town shouldn't really lie anyways. I don't know how ruxxar got in his mind that this game is about lying all over the place. Towns job is to not lie and be open and honest, only people that need to be thinking about lying this early are scum, save for some rare situations. On June 12 2015 10:17 Kickstart wrote: What case. The only case is that ruxxar misunderstood everything I said. Just an fyi, I will tunnel people to hell and back who willfully misrepresent what I say. Ask Oats. Whenever he decides to show up that is. On June 12 2015 10:18 Kickstart wrote: Look at how long it takes him to really start providing reads. For a very long time he's commenting but not going the next step of taking a stance on someone's alignment. So while he is posting, he actually isn't doing anything to move the game forward. It's best to make reads to at least get the game startedRuxxar is looking most scummy and sulfurus needlessly hoping on me as well is suspicious. Especially when he cites a non existent case as the reason. It's possible that he is simply holding some reads back, but simply scumreading ruXxar and Sulfurus suggests the opposite to me. He doesn't seem all that interested in scumreading, especially for his large volume of posts. 2. Terrible behavior since his return + Show Spoiler + Excuses, complaining, responding whenever someone scumreads him with "inactivity isn't alignment indicative". But no scumhunting, no questions, no content. He's willing to read the thread and say "this scumread of me is stupid" but not scumhunt. On June 16 2015 09:25 MoosyDoosy wrote: I have expectations for scott31337, and expectations for Kickstart. And neither of them are meeting these expectations.I feel it's similar to behavior from Sulfurus and Kickstart. All three promise to post more and provide more content on some level but always give little content, end up on wagons, and disappear for some lengths of time unless directly referred to. | ||
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On June 16 2015 09:28 batsnacks wrote: He just asked me what I thought about the fact that you hadn't used Bat Traps in this game. I responded saying that you generally only use Bat Traps as town, and that this was a good find.I cba to go looking through scott's filter for URL code could you maybe just paste all his secrets in the thread? I feel like that's an important part of what I'm trying to understand. | ||
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