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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
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WaveofShadow
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SO many things are impossible to come from a scum mindset, never mind a NEWBIE scum mindset. a) That kinda useless PoE 'corss two lists' thing he did yesterday. b) On June 20 2015 06:34 Rels wrote: Hello back (= Looks like scott gave up. Just have to wait for deadline then Scum would NEVER post something like this in thread. Would we way too paranoid about looking like shit. Also goes for other shit like this: On June 13 2015 07:16 Rels wrote: Re everyone. Welcome Dam and scott then! scott - I hated the only post of your predecessor, so I will probably push you super easily. Your posts atm are alright. Hard to be re-evaluating when not present. Don't know really, I just felt like this post would be super hard to fake. On June 17 2015 04:55 Rels wrote: Cant post much since I'm with my GF. The only people I'll agree to switch is scott. Sulfu is town and ruxxar is an easy mislynch I feel. c) Hard defense of sulf and scum read of Moosy when nobody was doing either. Sheer suicide and I don't see Rels being ballsy enough as a new player to be willing to fight the entire thread unless it was something he truly believes. d) Just been doing a shit ton of work in gerenal. While I don't always understand his thought processes (which is a minor red flag) I tack that on to newbie player. The only, ONLY thing I can see as being an issue is his need to announce to us absolutely everything he does which can on one hand be seen as a 'HEY GUYS LOOK AT ALL THIS AWESOME ANALYSIS IM DOING I MUST BE TOWN' or he's simply newbie town and all gung-ho about doing shit he deems useful. Second option still seems more likely here. Kickstart what did you say you had on him again? Scum between Oats/Trfel/Ruxxar ezpz. 66% chance boyysssss | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 21 2015 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I was reading waves filter and he is totally mafia. I can't quite write why, but his actions after geript got lynched are weird. He said he tried to get the lynch off geript? Nope. And he didn't even repeat his sulph scum read until day 2 when sulph made a horrific post. This reads a lot to me like wave asking his teammate to buck it up but then sulph just can't so he bussed. You've been making shit up about me all game and now you continue. Show me where I said I tried to get the lynch off geript? And what do you mean I didn't repeat my scum read on Sulf until D2? You mean as opposed to N1 where we can't vote? lol Oats. Just fucking lol. I truly can't decide if too shit to be scum here. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Oatsmaster
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During the night you posted quite a lot of stuff but nothing reiterating your read on sulph. Other than your lis post, which I don't count. Then day 2, you only vote for him after you quoted a post which implies that you voted for him because of that post. And your read on sulph is nothing more than "shit posts, must be mafia." I dont know why you are angry with me for trying to play the game lol. In fact, it's too much. Like you are dismissing my read because I'm bad, not because the read is wrong. And where have I made up shit about you before. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On June 21 2015 14:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Right now wave, if you are town, you should be trying to convince me that you aren't mafia, rather than dismissing my shit just cause it's aimed at you. LOL In what world is that what I need to be doing as town? On June 21 2015 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: I can't quote, takes forever. It was the first post after the flip. During the night you posted quite a lot of stuff but nothing reiterating your read on sulph. Other than your lis post, which I don't count. Then day 2, you only vote for him after you quoted a post which implies that you voted for him because of that post. And your read on sulph is nothing more than "shit posts, must be mafia." I dont know why you are angry with me for trying to play the game lol. In fact, it's too much. Like you are dismissing my read because I'm bad, not because the read is wrong. And where have I made up shit about you before. Find the quote Oats. You don't just get to throw unsubstantiated shit and me and get away with it. As for making shit up about me, you're right I just remember getting frustrated with you earlier because it was about me---it wasn't--- it was just you spouting nonsense and one misunderstanding of posts. AND, I haven't looked through Ruxxar yet. He may not be scum at all, but by PoE he has a 66% chance of flipping red. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 21 2015 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I really don't understand why you are so mad wave, unless you know I'm town. Because if you ARE town you're playing like balls and will likely lose us this game. | ||
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Trfel
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On June 21 2015 07:09 Trfel wrote: Here are all of the possibilities I can think of for the night kill.I know I said I'd talk about this if I survived, but I think I need to clear my head. Be back later. 1. WaveofShadow is mafia and killed batsnacks to try and avoid suspicion 2. Attempt at WIFOM on WaveofShadow and/or Damdred 3. Batsnacks was one of few universal townreads left, and he was never going to be lynched 4. Batsnacks was being very active, and is an experienced player To me, it feels like the reasons for the night kill were three-fold. Batsnacks was unlynchable, universally townread, and dangerous to scum. This game, batsnacks was very active and he was reading critically. He was always willing to share his thoughts, no matter how controversial they were. Several times this game, he got everyone to sheep him. He certainly threatened to catch the mafia team single-handedly. The WIFOM (both about who didn't die) and the WIFOM suspicion on Damdred/WaveofShadow were just bonuses. On June 21 2015 08:09 ruXxar wrote: How does TL+ help you search the thread faster? (not accusing, just wondering)I'm really tempted to buy TL+ just so I can search the thread much faster jesus. On June 21 2015 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote: You mean, cases and analysis like the one that made you drop your repeated defense of Kickstart and vote for him over your scumread Sulfurus?All trfel has done this game is post cases and analysis of people which actually isn't great. WaveofShadow raised some good points about Rels, but I still can see him as scum for the reasons I mentioned. But I need to take a much more careful look at his filter. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Wave, if you are so concerned then quote the post and destroy me because I'm talking shit If not, me and everyone else will assume that I'm not talking shit and lynch your scummy ass. Also wave, I have been playing like balls,, I'm not playing like balls now. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 14 2015 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah only thing I'll say about this but I feel like Geript was going down regardless of any errors. I certainly wasn't around to shout anything. As far as the lynch itself, I know I thought he was slipping earlier but that was one of the reasons I was attempting to re-evaluate him. Slips just aren't likely most of the time. I agree with this but I think there was also a decent chance Geript was scum outside of the supposed 'slip' and you could see that people were attempting to coordinate or starting to rally around the idea before Batsnacks' post. The question is, did scum see an easy out once he posted and jump on or ignore it entirely? At this point I'd go with the easy out option. I still see absolutely no reason why Sulfurus isn't scum here. AND him and Rels still looked scummier than Geript at the end of the day so some close evaluation is necessary. This is the Geript I was expecting to see throughout the day but he didn't show up. We listen to him I think. Also something really stood out to me reading over EOD as well and that's th stupid conversation between Noob and Ruxxar that everyone ignored. I ignored it too up until this point. Completely useless and irrelevant posting for pages, then ruxxar jumps in with this. I know everyone else jumped on as well but read through this and tell me it doesn't look like shit. Just ass-kissing of the worst degree, over emphasis on how his read developed and how bats was 'redeemed' when plenty of us found him townier way earlier. It looks like another case where he was just looking for a way to get off bats because keeping his vote there wasn't going to look so good with Rels/Sulf on the block. Go ahead Oats. Show me how I said I tried to get the lynch off Geript. | ||
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Trfel
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Rels 1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler + 1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote: And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little.OK I finally found a mafia. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler + Fake)Plants only had one post. Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote: Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post.Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote: Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337 (referring to Fake)Plants) I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript (who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment. On June 14 2015 04:56 Trfel wrote: Rels' Read Progression
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] + Criticizing MoosyDoosy's opening post (geript already did this) Suspicious of batsnacks (common suspicion), geript (WaveofShadow already said this), and MoosyDoosy (geript) Agrees with the suspicion I voiced on MoosyDoosy Immediately asked geript for his reason for being suspicious of scott31337, suddenly is more suspicious of him himself (see my previous post) It seems like Rels is like a leaf in the wind, following thread sentiment, jumping on whatever works. He townreads people who are being townread already, he scumreads people who are being scumread, and only changes when the thread sentiment shifts. The one major departure from this trend is when he townreads batsnacks. He did this before Damdred jumped in. This is a pretty big change in his read, and against the thread sentiment. However, I think that the way that Rels jumps on whatever suspicion is available every other time in the thread is quite telling. On June 15 2015 05:12 batsnacks wrote: Alright Rels is mafia. His read progression on sulfurus goes like this:
Chronological order: + Show Spoiler + On June 13 2015 09:00 Rels wrote: If it was any other person I would have agree with you about voting opportunistically. But Sulfu played exactly like that last game. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote: Town lean Trfel Sulfu Oats ruxxar On June 13 2015 09:11 Rels wrote: Yeah I would have agreed if someone else voted you like that. But Sulfu did that day 1 last game. On Breshke and SL. On June 13 2015 18:33 Rels wrote: I agree. But quality is not the reason I'm unvoting him. No idea who I want to lynch. Two of my three town reads are voting sulfurus. I'm suspicious of Sulfu for two reasons: - The "case" on KS on his first post doesn't exist - The vote on BS is opportunist On June 13 2015 20:59 Rels wrote: If nobody changes vote and I have to choose between the two wagons I'll vote Sulfu. ##Vote geript These were some of the suspicions raised on Rels through Day 1 and the start of Day 2. They are quite strong, and Rels didn't answer in a way that alleviated the suspicions. What he did do, though was an incredible burst of activity that made everyone read him as town. Furthermore, the Day 2 voting shows that he scumread Kickstart over Sulfurus. When Rels started going through all of the filters, his reads were as follows: + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2015 21:20 Rels wrote: Now it's time for some analyzis. I will read the filters of each players in the game and post an analyzis of him. For fun here is my mind before doing the filter diving: Town Sulfurus Trfel WaveofShadow Town lean ruxxar Damdred Oatsmaster batsnacks Scum lean Kickstart Scum moosy scott Gonna afk 30 minutes to eat, then the analyzis will start. We'll see after that if the list has changed. He analyzed Kickstart first. And he concluded that Kickstart is mafia. His scumread of Kickstart seems to be strengthened a bit by this filter dive. He scumread scott31337 as well. Then he townread Sulfurus, me (Trfel), and WaveofShadow. And a town lean on ruXxar. He arrived at a mafia lean on MoosyDoosy, and he's less certain of him than when he started. Null read on batsnacks. Null on Damdred. Town lean on Oatsmaster due to a clear train of thought and lots of comments. So, all of this analysis resulted in him moving Damdred and batsnacks from town lean to null, moving Kickstart from scum lean to scum, and moving MoosyDoosy from scum to scum lean. This isn't terribly impressive for the work that went into it. The advantage is that he now has cases and explanations for all of his thoughts. From here, I'll record his major pushes and read changes. Yes, this is somewhat subjective.
It feels like there are three separate sections to Rels' filter. The first part, where he wasn't posting all that much and there were several cases posted on him. The second part, where he reread the thread and then analyzed all of the filters. And the third part, his play since then. In the third part, he's posted far more frequently than the first one, but I haven't noticed a large amount of analysis. He's being active, but he feels almost like he's only doing enough work to scrape by. Probably the best example of this is how his mega analysis resulted in a lot of things to follow up on (his null reads and his scum reads), but all he did was continue to push Kickstart. I don't understand the complete lack of attention he was giving to everyone but Kickstart through this time. The large voting records that he created are another example of this. While they were certainly a lot of work, I'm not sure what they accomplished, really. He said that he wanted to do it to investigate ruXxar's alignment, but the analysis that he provided could have been obtained far easier just from reading ruXxar's filter. I'm not sure why he did this, and it feels like it's just to look towny. It sort of feels like he just stepped up his work when he needed to get townread, and he's been doing work more with the motivation to seem active rather than truly solving the game. Note: this post is one-sided, the other side was presented by WaveofShadow previously. | ||
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Trfel
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I'd really appreciate people's thoughts on the above post about Rels. See you tomorrow. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Wave, I'm gonna tell something you aren't going to like. The problem I have with that post is not that you said you defended geirpt, it is that you were gonna defend geirpt if you could. And the post you quoted was geript talking about scumslips not existing. How does that make him town?? Also you never answered the accusation that you never actually mention sulph other than in your list post on n1, and you only vote for sulph after he posts another horrible post. This makes you mafia because you wanted to try and save sulph but he messed up. | ||
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Rels
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Two things I thought when reading the thread: - Trfel's big post of me contains things that are all true, so no distorsion of reality. But Trfel, if you think I'm not very commited to my reads, what do you think of ruxxar ? - Oatsmaster has now attacked everyone to defend himself ... To quote a WOS post without looking for it, he's "throwing mud everywhere to see where it sticks". If deadline was now my vote would be on him. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On June 21 2015 16:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey trfel, where did the whole thread sheep bats other than ontthe geirpt lynch? Wave, I'm gonna tell something you aren't going to like. The problem I have with that post is not that you said you defended geirpt, it is that you were gonna defend geirpt if you could. And the post you quoted was geript talking about scumslips not existing. How does that make him town?? Also you never answered the accusation that you never actually mention sulph other than in your list post on n1, and you only vote for sulph after he posts another horrible post. This makes you mafia because you wanted to try and save sulph but he messed up. It doesn't make him town, all I said was I wanted to look into him again but I didn't get the chance. And apparently the only thing that wouldn't have made me scum is to vote Sulf and talk about nothing but him right off the bat of D2? I talked about Sulfurus plenty up until that point, and pushed him as well. If I didn't decide to vote him until his terrible posting triggered me to remember to do so, then that's my prerogative and there is nothing even remotely scummy about it. The fact that it doesn't fit into whatever convoluted timeline you're attempting to come up with is meaningless. You are twisting anything and everything you can possibly find in your desperation but all it serves to do is make you look worse. You are grasping at the thinnest of straws to escape your fate, and why you have chosen me to latch on to I have no fucking clue. You would have had better chances with Rels or something. I'm going to tell you something you're not going to like. I'm done with you. I don't see how a town Oats could possibly play THIS horribly. Even for you. It reeks of scummy desperation and a bad choice of mislynch. ##vote: Oatsmaster Trfel/Ruxxar you're next. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On June 21 2015 17:03 Rels wrote: Yo pals, as I said like last weekend, won't be available today, with family + fête de la musique. Will have much more time tomorrow. Two things I thought when reading the thread: - Trfel's big post of me contains things that are all true, so no distorsion of reality. But Trfel, if you think I'm not very commited to my reads, what do you think of ruxxar ? - Oatsmaster has now attacked everyone to defend himself ... To quote a WOS post without looking for it, he's "throwing mud everywhere to see where it sticks". If deadline was now my vote would be on him. I havent attacked you. Or kickstart. Why are you saying that im throwing mud everywhere when Im only throwing it on like 3 people? its like trfel/wos/rux. | ||
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