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On June 10 2015 07:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
god damn
it's hard to tell whether FF/bats just have cold feet/legitimately believe what they are saying or whether one or both of them is scum here
I prefer bats' approach but FF's response seems fishy
Dude your last <large number> posts are just repeating the same thing and flinging scum on anyone who disagrees with you. Your case on LS is much weaker than everything yamato said. If anyone is voting LS for anything you said then they are voting for bad reasons. You need to check yourself out of the confirmation bias mode.
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On June 10 2015 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.
Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats?
I don't know what you're talking about here you will have explain better if this isn't just some weird rhetoric.
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On June 10 2015 07:46 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:45 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.
Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats? I don't know what you're talking about here you will have explain better if this isn't just some weird rhetoric. that's not weird rhetoric. It's actually very logical.
Okay but I don't know what it means because I can't read good. 
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On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong.
Even if I'm wrong I am your greatest ally because I am HARD DEFENDING him with reckless abandon and willing to lynch ANYONE in his place.
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On June 10 2015 07:51 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:45 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
also at various points in this game I have disagreed with basically everyone. In particular, Kickstart.
Yet, I don't think he is scum. How do you explain that, bats? I don't know what you're talking about here you will have explain better if this isn't just some weird rhetoric. Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:39 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 07:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
god damn
it's hard to tell whether FF/bats just have cold feet/legitimately believe what they are saying or whether one or both of them is scum here
I prefer bats' approach but FF's response seems fishy Dude your last <large number> posts are just repeating the same thing and flinging scum on anyone who disagrees with you. Your case on LS is much weaker than everything yamato said. If anyone is voting LS for anything you said then they are voting for bad reasons. You need to check yourself out of the confirmation bias mode.
Oh that, yeah, I was just being dramatic.
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On June 10 2015 07:53 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:51 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 07:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
obviously your only choice is to take my opinion at face value, because I could certainly be under the effects of confirmation bias, especially since I knew his roles going into reading those posts. However I think the differences in tone, emotion, style, and specificity are enough for me to be confident that this is not his town game, even if he did get mislynched for what you think is a similar style. Sorry, but you're most likely just wrong. Even if I'm wrong I am your greatest ally because I am HARD DEFENDING him with reckless abandon and willing to lynch ANYONE in his place. I agree that your thought process leads me to think you are town. The fact that you are willing to lynch anyone else is a pretty dumb thing to say though
Nah you'll thank me later especially if LS flips scum.
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On June 10 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote:
Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers. scum get a vote to pick powers too dude
lol that dumbtell so strong
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IT'S NOT TOO LATE 5 WHOLE MINUTES!
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What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.
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On June 10 2015 09:11 Kickstart wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 09:09 Bill Murray wrote:
i havent really done much to prove my innocence honestly Indeed. While you have simultaneously done quite a few things that are scummy. See your dilemma if you are town?
He had a pretty strong dumbtell at eod.
On June 10 2015 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:52 Kickstart wrote:
Obvious no, but I am still of the opinion you shouldn't tell who you voted to get powers. Of course you could be scum and just making shit up cause scum don't actually vote for ppl to get powers. scum get a vote to pick powers too dude
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If my vote change at the last minute is irrelevant than why does it make me scummy? 
Also my bat-senses are telling me that tube is mafia.
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On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme
If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest what? It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest. I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot. I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum. Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle. In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage. Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks. DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters.
On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left.
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On June 10 2015 09:33 Breshke wrote:
By the way bats you have the same misunderstanding as me. A power can't be chosen more than once so all three cant morph
nah
Morph (up to 3 witches may use this per night) - Veteran, does not stop Silver Bullets
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On June 10 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme
If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest what? It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest. I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot. I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum. Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle. In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage. Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks. DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters. On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left. If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better. My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot. I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead.
If all 3 morph we lose at most 1 blue and at most 1 townie no matter what, and the townies that survive are probably strong. Any other course of action it is possible to lose up to 2 blues and 2 strong townies.
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On June 10 2015 09:40 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 09:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 09:30 batsnacks wrote:On June 10 2015 09:25 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 09:21 Breshke wrote:On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme
If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest what? It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest. I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot. I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info this is not a contest. I am a crap townie and I'm pretty decent at scum, which is why I am very confident in the situation I described to you, but I was not very confident in the end that LS would flip scum. Even if the bullet gets refunded you are potentially keeping a townie alive for another cycle at least because a silver bullet during a half cycle results in a flip (if it is successful) at the end of said half cycle. In other words if you RB the witch hunter successfully the target ends up living for the next day to push lynches with you. That's almost equivalent to saving them as a medic/JK. The only difference is that the RB can actually directly stop normal KP delivery, which in this game is incredibly useful because a JK on a good townie can actually prevent a blue usage. Now of course saving that townie is more valuable than the blue usage but it's better to have more townies alive for longer than it is to rely on things like DT checks. DT is only good in best case scenario. RB is good even in not so good scenario, simply because the number of scummers is so low. Remember a green DT check doesn't mean shit, it's only the red one that matters. On June 10 2015 09:03 batsnacks wrote:
What if all 3 morph? That seems really good considering 1 silver bullet left. If scum attempt to blue snipe then morph is useless. Morph gets better after the silver bullet is definitely used, so if two townies die or if a townie flips at the end of a day without getting lynched then morph becomes better. My problem with morph probably stems from my own style of play because it's a relatively complacent thing to do unless you are really really sure you will eat the scum KP for some reason. At least if you are JK or RB you have a chance of stopping something else if you get blue sniped, which is fairly likely for someone who thinks they are townie enough to get shot. I personally as scum would blue snipe the person I think is the top townread in the thread simply because it is so overwhelmingly likely that they are blue. The only thing that saves them at that point is an RB on the witch hunter, which again is not possible if people morph instead. If all 3 morph we lose at most 1 blue and at most 1 townie no matter what, and the townies that survive are probably strong. Any other course of action it is possible to lose up to 2 blues and 2 strong townies. why couldn't you lose two townies? Scum could choose to kill someone who they think is not likely to be blue. Of course that's not necessarily an optimal shot but you don't need to kill the best townies to win as scum. In fact a lot of the time you can turn townies on each other just because you leave some good ones who have the wrong reads alive.
Yeah I misworded that. At most 1 blue dies at most 2 townies die then mafia powers are gone. I think 3 morph is strong. Town is ahead, 3 morph protects town from worst case scenarios.
I think 3 morph is a lot weaker with 2 witchhunters alive and wouldn't recommend it if that were the case.
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On June 10 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote:
I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e
BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it
It's a vet not a vest if scum shoots you they die.
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On June 10 2015 17:41 Tubesock wrote:
I think bats is town for how he behaved at the lynch. I also agree with his "dumbtell" idea that BM did, but I also think BM is town and have for awhile.
I liked ShoCkeys last few posts.
I do not have a 3rd scumspect just yet. But I have 2.5 days to find it before I get lynched.
If BM is town it's definitely not because of the "dumb tell" lol
BAT TRAPS(TM) snare another mafia
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Tube I think your theory sucks. Town has tons of powers this game. Sacrificing a mafia vig for town points is nonsense. Bugs had plenty of opportunities to back out of that lynch, I gave him plenty.
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If bugs is mafia why doesn't he just switch wagons when presented the opportunity and then bus tomorrow after LS can use his shot?
"this guy just found and lynched mafia... he must be mafia!" Is not a sensible way for town to scum hunt it doesn't matter if something vaguely similar happened and succeeded in the past.
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