[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1

On June 01 2015 09:33 Kickstart wrote:


To be fair most people should be offended. Just saying you are busy is fine, but implying no one interesting (aka good enough to be worth playing with) is on the player list is a pretty salty thing to do and just needlessly rude. I just don't care either way because I don't know any of the signed up players either and I'ts been 2 1/2 years since I played mafia on here.

On June 01 2015 09:59 ritoky wrote:


I am a newbie smurf who is unenticing and smells funny. Will you teach me how to play senpai? Also, how does one thesis?

On June 01 2015 10:46 ritoky wrote:


Okay! Can I have a coach?!?!?!?!

Also hard work and dedication sounds hard, is there not some ponzi scheme for becoming good at mafia?

On June 03 2015 06:08 Kickstart wrote:
It seems some of you already know each other well, at least I gather that from the Tictock banter. Anyone care to give me some background? Who has played with each other before, who is good, why are there 2 votes immediatly on TT?

On June 03 2015 06:10 Tictock wrote:
@ Kick

It has always been my policy to deal with inactives by reading their actual posts that much harder.

The idea is that if they are only willing to share a small amount of thoughts or thinking then we should take those posts even more literally/seriously.

On June 03 2015 06:27 ritoky wrote:


say that to my winning streak nerd

On June 03 2015 06:29 ritoky wrote:


It was a long post made immediately after the day post, which means it was planned and probably planned regardless of alignment. It says nothing about your alignment and only about some bs intentions you plan to traffic cop about to appear like you're doing shit for the game. I don't really care about reading more than a paragraph because it won't teach me anything about your alignment. I will continue to post pictures, deal with it.

On June 03 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:


someone doesn't know history. why is trolling mafia indicative? and what is the proper amount of trolling?

On June 03 2015 06:33 Kickstart wrote:
Well, those that have played with ritoky, is he always like this? I suppose if he always does this he has to keep up his 'meta', however annoying and unhelpful it happens to be.

Also, I could of had time after roles were sent to write up that post, but I will be honest and admit I didn't =]. I had to edit it a bit though because there was quite a bit going on before and while the game started.

@ milo
Can you explain why you threw a vote on ritoky? You posted these posts:




While I also expressed my concern with his posting style, I have been trying to find out if this is his usual style of play. My concern with the way you went about this situation is that you didn't like his posting style (which to be fair it seems many people don't either) and seem to have voted solely based on the fact that you don't like his posting style without bothering to see if he always does this. TO be more concise, the goal is to find players who are acting scummy; if, as you self proclaimed, you haven't played with him before, and you do not know if this is his usual style, you have no information to tell you if this style from him is suspicious or not. So I think your vote on him is suspect in that you made the vote because you read him as annoying, not because you read him as scummy. Thus, I would like to hear more on you about your vote.

On June 03 2015 06:24 Tictock wrote:
@ ritoky

Ok, I'll bite

##Vote ritoky

For spamming graphics and one liners. Not even trying to push people yet, such scum.

On June 03 2015 07:07 ritoky wrote:


why are you worried about people accusing you of being on a wagon if you think he is scum? wat?

On June 03 2015 06:38 ritoky wrote:


someone doesn't know history. why is trolling mafia indicative? and what is the proper amount of trolling?

On June 03 2015 06:53 milo109 wrote:

Pretty sure I explained above. I'm not comfortable reading people scummy yet, due to that lack of information. I am certainly not convinced that ritoky is town from the way he has played. I see no reason not to pressure him.

On June 03 2015 07:28 ritoky wrote:


nope, this is my reason for voting you:



and the contradiction is very clear.

1 question: why make this post?

On June 03 2015 07:58 Kickstart wrote:

That makes sense I guess. I would still like you to explain why you stated you would be fine voting ritocky just because you don't like his posting. I find it scummy that you stated you don't care if ritocky is town or scum but that you would be happy having him gone either way, so I would still like you to expand on this...

On June 03 2015 07:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi guys! I've read most of the game so far and I don't like most of the reasons people are tossing around for calling others mafia. I don't think it makes the people giving them mafia though, so I'm not gonna name any names. Suffice to say: before you post that something makes someone else mafia, consider if they'd do it as town before you get your tunnel on.

This has been a public service announcement by VisceraEyes.

So far the person that sticks out the most to me is Chocolate.



Aside from a vote, this is his only post in the game. Does "weirdly cheery" make ticktock mafia? Without context, this post just looks like he's trying to be seen in the thread, which is consistent with mafia trying to hide in plain sight. Why does a townie Chocolate even make this post? Further, in his vote post he wants tick to "1v1 me mate"....which if the lynch is boiled down to Chocolate/ticktock then I'm lynching Chocolate 100 times out of 100 based on what's in the thread right now....if he's town and wants ticktock to interact with him, then why does he disappear?

On June 03 2015 08:05 ritoky wrote:
people str8 disrespecting me all over the thread.

On June 03 2015 07:18 milo109 wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how to defend myself here. I decided to vote because I didn't like ritoky's play style. I made it clear that it was not for reasons of reads. I cannot justify my vote in terms of reads, as I've already said. If you lynch me for that, it's fine. Actual reads so far that I can justify:
I don't like the use of the word 'Unfortunately' in Kickstart's accusation of me. It seems to be an attempt to come from the point of view of a paternal town, who only sadly pronounces judgement. It's possible that he actually feels that way, but it feels scummy to me.
I'll read Damdred town for now just based off his questioning of me. He caught my mistake of logic, while Ritoky and Kickstart both seem to just dislike my vote.
Ritoky is still null for me. Still don't like the playstyle. Still keeping my vote.
No idea on the others.

On June 03 2015 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:

This is fine, and I'm in no position to dispute it's validity - but I will say that you SAID you were going to check something out, not that you were grabbing dinner. DID you go check to see if you'd played with anyone else?

On June 03 2015 08:06 ritoky wrote:


what discussion were you hoping to stir with that comment?

On June 03 2015 08:33 ritoky wrote:


What specifically about scott's play thus far has made him suspicious to you?

On June 03 2015 10:56 Kickstart wrote:
Also I don't want to speak for VE, but milo saying you afk was weird. At the time I didnt point it out because he did but since then I did say a bit about it. For one we can't be sure you are afk because you said you were going to go through stuff (but then went to eat dinner, which is fine, you just stated you were doing otherwise as the reason for your inactivity at the time). What I found most odd was the "he cant defend himself", because to me that makes no sense at all, even if you were afk, its forum mafia, you just come back and read it and respond :/.

But mostly I would like for you to expand on why your vote is on VE!

Whatever it's fine. Expand on your VE read if you please - I've been just exploding town all over this thread. You say there's been a lack of reads out of me. I say that doesn't make me mafia. I say that I've contributed at least one mafia read, and that's the person I want to lynch, and now I'm also willing to lynch you.

On June 03 2015 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

You've conceded SEVERAL points to me this game so far milo. I've had to correct SEVERAL mistakes in your posts. Why are you saying that I'M the one who needs to use logic? There's no illusion, there are facts in the thread. A timeline of actual events. That's my proof. What's yours?

On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.

I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).

My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point.

On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia.

On June 04 2015 01:50 Fidei86 wrote:
Damdred - I think our posts might have crossed?

On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:


do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads.

On June 04 2015 08:59 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so a lot of people have come out and said that they think what I'm saying is devoid of content. With that in mind, I've gone back over all the pages of the game and put together the below. Apologies for the wall of text, but I put it together as I was reading through, so it's going to be a bit stream-of-consciousness-y.

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@Kickstart - You said on your post on page 13 that you found some things scummy, but you were going to wait and see whether they changed. Can you now say what you were talking about?

@Damdred - In your post on page 14 you said that ritoky shouldn't be lynched and that you would "revisit him during the night to make sure". Am I missing a rule here, or did you just come out as the cop? Is it possible that there is even a cop, since Onegu has claimed VT (I assume that's veteran?)?

@Ritoky - You asked me a question on page 15 which I missed, I think. I got a poor read from your initial posts. My (admittedly newbie) view is that a mafia member wouldn't paint themselves all over the first two pages of a thread, especially with things as banal as you did. However, the obvious "next-level" play is to do it as mafia, relying upon everyone thinking that it would be far too weird a play for a non-mafia to make. One thing that struck me was that Kickstart changed his view on you when he said your posting style had improved, even though it hadn't by that point. That was strange to me. You were still posting gifs and one-liners, and I don't think you had really contributed anything of merit. It's not a lot to go on, but it all strikes me as a possible attempt for you to get yourself established as the harmless town clown, which naturally sucks all of the venom out of your accusers. Then again, later on I've already said earlier in the thread that Kickstarter's opening post was not to my taste. If I had to say, I'd say I have you both as slight-mafia reads. As to your question about VE and Chocolate, I think I answered that later. Sorry for not spotting your question until now.

@Onegu - Can you explain to me why you would claim the special town role (VT) so early on? Doesn't that just make you an easy take-out for the mafia, since nobody (except Damdred?) has counter-claimed you?

Having seen more of milo's posts, I'm leaning back towards null. We honestly didn't have that much to go on at the start, and I think his reference to being okay with lynching was probably just a slip. His recent posts strike me as the most genuinely typed things (ie don't read as being written with an agenda).

I've made a list of all of the positive and negative things that people have said so far, and the person I come out most closely aligned to is Nydus, which I guess would make him my biggest town read. Specifically, Nydus has voiced suspicions on Kickstart and ritoky, which I share. He has also been suspicious of Damdred, and I have to agree with that. Whereas Kickstarter is coming across more as a traffic cop, I think Damdred seems too keen to infuse his posts with a sense of "I am town, no arguing", which seems off to me. VE's posts have the same tone to me. When Damdred got pushed on page 28, he reacted very viciously ("this is shit!"), which doesn't read to me as frustration (which a townie would have), but more like faux-righteous anger (which is more scummy). I also, as I stated before, generally agree with Chocolate as well, which puts him more towards town for me.

However, after all of that, I see on page 27 that Kickstarter has the same view of Nydus as me, and also seems similarly critical of Damdred. So now I'm not sure what to believe.

On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town

On June 03 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:


oh your not going to get along with ritoky and onegu....

On June 03 2015 06:30 sicklucker wrote:


oh you wont like tictock...

On June 04 2015 06:20 sicklucker wrote:
Sorry for not posting. A stressing game ended and im enjoying not being the center of attention for once. probably gonna keep relaxin

On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:


I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow,

On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.

In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.

On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.

First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...

2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....

On June 03 2015 23:42 Chocolate wrote:
General inactivity
His only contribution of note was to call a very active player town which seems way too conservative

On June 03 2015 11:07 Chocolate wrote:

"it was only after I had said I was away that milo said I was away"

it doesn't make sense to me either. But to be fair I think he was giving me too much shit for posting and going away for a bit and that being scummy.

I think he is scum because:
He hasn't changed positions on anyone
His only interactions of substance have been with me and milo
I think he is taking a misinterpretation of what someone else said too far as a "scum-slip"
His posts have a dismissive tone







Which really bothers me
I see no reason to tunnel someone so hard out of the blue

I don't think he's scum because:
He's posting a lot
While I get a scum feeling from dogging someone so early, it's something that would at the same time be dumb to do as a mafia player
milo's post does look like a slip

On June 04 2015 11:06 ritoky wrote:



????????????????????????????? what the hell is that scott read??????????

and you're saying templar's reads are weak LOL.

i think me and this guy are reading separate games.

On June 04 2015 12:09 ritoky wrote:


yeah you're not even reading the game.



that's literally the answer to your question not even 3 pages ago. but hey, largest filter in the game, probably most reads given of anyone...0 reads given...you got it bro.

On June 04 2015 00:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Town:
Nydus
sicklucker
Milo89
Fideu86


Mafia:
Kickstark
Tictock

On June 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote:
i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.

On June 05 2015 03:24 ritoky wrote:
i find it very unlikely that a scum templar comes to the thread with 3-4 hours before the deadline, leading by a substantial margin and basically calls the alternative wagon dumpster and tries to push his own, while also failing @ voting in the voting thread.

On June 03 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote:


^ same

On June 04 2015 15:36 scott31337 wrote:
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?

On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:
VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?

that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind....

On June 05 2015 04:13 ritoky wrote:
also @TT do you know what the chez rule is?

On June 04 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:


I would rather not be misrepresented. I don't think templar looks that scummy. He is pretty much null. I think your last point about how his town reads changed a lot w/o explanation seems like a good point of pressure. However the rest of your case is meh. Like I said I don't mind a lot of what templar said and the particular posts he keyed in on.

Also kickstart, can you give a town read on someone. The big issue I am having getting a solid read on you is you seem to be OMGUSing everything that walks.

On June 05 2015 04:25 ritoky wrote:


Basically when people haven't met or don't know Chezinu and they experience the Chezinu experience for the first time they tend to think he is a giant troll who is completely useless. This usually results in someone saying something along the lines of "fuck this guy ##vote" and such sentiments. The first person who does this to Chezinu has demonstrated a % of being mafia near 90% or more. It is actually pretty ridiculous. The initial basis of Templar's scum read on you is based on this rule. He is saying that this game I was acting as Chezinu at the start of the game, and that you were the first person to effectively say "fuck this trollzy guy ##vote". Scott was trying to say you were playing the role of Chezinu, but I don't really see that.

On June 03 2015 06:32 Tictock wrote:


Crap, and I was like about ready to make that sure fire case on you too...

##Unvote

Even if the post was premade and is NAI, the content was at least good. Or do you have a different opinion about inactives ritoky?

On June 05 2015 04:54 ritoky wrote:


is SL not an option? why so?

On June 05 2015 05:23 ritoky wrote:
fuck me i really need to get this right....templar looks like he is gonna novote and make me pissed for the 2nd game in a row about no-voters...i would really rather not lose 2 town day 1.

On June 05 2015 04:45 Kickstart wrote:
I can see there is a push to try and move on me, I already asked for your concerns about me so I can address them. Now that there is seeming support from ritocky, can you two (and whoever else has concerns) present them so I can address them?

On June 05 2015 04:00 ritoky wrote:
but yes he was kinda on me when it was fashionable, then on milo when it was fashionable, then on templar when it is fashionable. he never seems to lead from the front of a lynch despite being the 2nd loudest person in the game, which is why he is in my null zone. coupled w/ the weird nydus thing and some other shit i can't remember off the top of my head.

On June 05 2015 05:53 ritoky wrote:
i think that if chocolate is mafia, he is likely with templar, so a mafia will die today regardless.

On June 06 2015 04:02 ritoky wrote:
i think your 1gu read is flavored by the vote being on you. i don't think SL's vote colors him better. i have parked a vote on a teammate or rando really early for a shitty/trolly reason and left it there all phase before as mafia. and i have seen many others do it too. palmar likes to make pinatas out of people who do that. so dunno where the SL looks best comes from.

i think i have come to the realization that i am going to have to trust some1 else's read on nydus all game. i won't be getting one any time soon.

and of course i am town, you'll know for certain in a couple hours when the mafia shoots me in the face and i flip town.