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Well crap.. GG was just bad town.
I suppose that means I'm very likely to be lynched tomorrow then... I'll just take that as a challenge to find actual scum so I don't get mislynched tomorrow.
@ Fidei
I did forget to respond to your post about Scott and I from your look at ritoky's reads. I had intended to last night, but was failing to put together coherent thoughts. I'll reread it and respond here in a bit.
I do think it was good advice to be wary of assuming why Mafia killed someone though. I can't image people often get NK'd due to their reads, least that's my experience based off my last 2 games. Far as I can tell scum tries to get rid of the most attentive, persuasive, and towniest of Town to make their lives easier later in the game. Really though, there is no way to know who is going to be NK unless there are blue roles left, which there aren't this game.
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Least I know I'm surviving till D3!
No way does scum kill me tonight, lol.
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On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote:
You said that there were at least two scum on Templars right? IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good.
Why DO you think I could be scum?
Honestly atm, I only understand Fidei's reasons for voting me. I guess I understand GG's reasons too, I just found them to be shit.
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@Scott
Yea I'll get on that. Will need some time to read what I missed what at work.
Initial reactions... Most of the votes looked like sheep who correctly read GG as town. Fidei is the only person who voted me who clearly had his own reasons.
As such I'll be focusing on his posts first.
After I finish my dinner and get settled in for the night. Lurking while I eat.
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On June 08 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 09:13 Tictock wrote:On June 08 2015 09:08 milo109 wrote:On June 08 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote:
You said that there were at least two scum on Templars right? IF ticktock is scum. Which I'm not certain about, though the votes on him look pretty good. Why DO you think I could be scum? Honestly atm, I only understand Fidei's reasons for voting me. I guess I understand GG's reasons too, I just found them to be shit. Damdred then VE then maybe you then maybe Onegu then maybe Scott then maybe Shendel
Yea... uh not really what I asked for...
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Ok, so reread this post from Fidei.
First off, I have a hard time believing mafia would NK someone for scumreading them. It would cause that persons reads to be that much more powerful since Town can now look at them knowing they come from a fellow town. Basically exactly what Fidei is doing here.
Second, your ignoring the fact that it is a Scum TEAM, not just one/two scum right now. So the only way that someone would be targeted for their reads is if they managed to call out the correct scumteam. Even then it's a stretch because of the same reasons as before.
Anyways you are correct that Ritoky was very distrusting of me D1 and really didn't like my reads. His N1 reads also do have me as clearly the only person he really suspected, though he was not 100% on me. So yes, I think it is safe to assume that ritoky would have been pushing me one again D2 if he were alive.
Here is the problem though. Just because ritoky is confirmed town, it doesn't make his reads correct. You can read his thoughts and know they were coming from a town perspective, but that doesn't make him infallible. He might be right, and if I were an outsider here I would 100% be looking into that Tictock dude. However, since I know that I am town this game I can only take ritoky's reads with a grain of salt
Later on you mention that I've criticized your posts. If you are talking about this
On June 04 2015 19:03 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 18:59 Fidei86 wrote:
@ritoky - Could you give an explanation for why you have changed up your play-style so much from the start, where you were posting images and generally appearing to be something of a troll, to now where you are asking good questions and giving good analysis. It's confusing to me, and I'd be very interested in your reasoning / thought-process. This is a pretty useless post to be honest. I'm far more interested in what his change of style makes you think about him...
I explained when you asked me why I called it useless...
I found your post useless because the question was so open ended. It looked very passive and more like an effort to look active without actually doing anything.
Only other time I've critisized your posting was here
On June 05 2015 23:10 Tictock wrote:
Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways.
Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there.
I stand by both those points, actually. In fact I think the post I'm responding to here is a lot of WIFOM. Your assuming ritoky was killed for his reads and your assuming his reads were correct.
In fact I think you posted a much better explanation as to why ritoky was the NK
Ritoky seemed like he was a really strong player
I'd figure that a strong, well townread player is much more frightening to a mafia team, than a player with correct reads. After all, reads can change...
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So even having just gone into Fidei's filter to read stuff, I'm having a hard time getting a solid read on him.
Fidei spends a lot of time going into WIFOM starting here. Least that's all I can make out of it. 5+ posts talking about why this team makes sense, these people are confirmed, correcting earlier posts... etc is rather hard to follow. I'm not sure there can actually be that many conclusions based on a D1 mislynch...
He does the same thing in his other big post I quoted i my response to it. Lots of WIFOM and mostly just pushing ritoky's thinking, not his own. He even starts saying that he's been told that this sort of anylysis is too likely to lead to WIFOM to be useful.
I'm tempted to say this could be scum pretending to be a new townie getting suck in bad thinking, however Fidei does make a few posts that suggest he's town to me.
There is this post which is really just a bunch of questions. However I notice that Fidei has noted the pages of note related to his questions, which suggests to me that he is putting in decent work and reading to support his questions.
Then there was this post
On June 04 2015 19:40 Fidei86 wrote:
@Ticktock The issue I have is that, since this is my first game, I have no prior experience on which "tells" or types of behaviour are suspicious and which aren't. People earlier on in the thread seemed to just move past the change, but I think on any measure it has been pretty drastic. My read is that ritoky wanted to put himself out there straight away at the start and draw lots of attention to himself, on the basis that everyone would assume that the mafia wouldn't be so stupid so as to put themselves front and centre of the thread in a very memorable fashion. At best, I think it's quite a weak town play, because it created a lot of distraction at the start, which plays into mafia flying under the radar.
As to the change, it could be because he realised that if he kept going, people might want to vote him off anyway for being annoying / cluttering the thread (I think several people mentioned that they would 'policy' vote him), and that he can now transition into sounding like a good town, but having had all the suspicion sucked out of his play right at the start.
For me, that is very suspicious. I have read and liked a lot of the stuff he has posted subsequently, and has left me not knowing what to think, hence why I asked the question. Answers to 'difficult' questions can often be quite telling, and at worst all I've done is waste a little bit of forum space.
Which was the first time I felt like Fidei was really sharing his thinking process. It sounds like pretty good town thinking to me.
I'd bet that Fidei is just a newbie based on his posting.
I could see him being Mafia and just using that as a cover though as well... Fidei was the hammer vote on Kick which doesn't look so good...
Ugh he's still pretty null to me I guess. Maybe a slight scum lean given his D1 vote...
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On June 08 2015 10:41 Shendelzare wrote:
I'm looking at the votes. I am seeing a problem with NHM.
NHM - scumreads Chocolate and Tictock, and is willing to lynch the former. I ask a bit too late to get people to vote Chocolate at the end of day. She says she'd have voted him but she was the solo voter.
I pushed chocolate like crazy, but I don't think she pushed him much at all honestly.
Then...
SHE VOTES WITH CHOCOLATE ON TICTOCK.
Am I the only one that sees something wrong with this?
Dam shen, all sorts of good catches from you today...
Something felt off to me about Nydus' votes EoD there, I just haven't had the chance to look at her closely enough...
I did say before that I thought we prob have at least one lurker scum and was thinking it was between Fidei, Choco, and Nydus...
With that odd vote switch from Nydus, my last post/read on Fidei, and the fact that Choco has been pretty scummy this whole game.. could that be the scumteam?
I'm likely way jumping the gun here, but an Iso on Nydus was def in my plans for tonight... I think it just got bumped to the top of my list.
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On June 08 2015 11:19 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 10:44 Shendelzare wrote:On June 08 2015 10:12 Damdred wrote:
Explain your reads then chocolate +1. I haven't seen much in the way of reasoning on any of your reads. Besides OMGUS. Now I'm out. I am going to post a decent amount tomorrow via phone because I have a very long car ride. Next day I will probably be pretty active
Am I having deja-vu?
Pretty sure we've heard that one before...
Hope you keep the promise this time.
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Ok going through Nydus' filter. These are more or less my thoughts as I go through it. Focusing on reads and posts I find noteworthy.
Starts off scumming Kickstart and ritoky !
Moved on to townread Milo.
A fair few moot posts that dont say much. Then there was this statement which I found interesting
Oh, really quick thing, since no one asked and I'm about to leave for dinner, the way I play is I try to give as much content as I can, and I try to leave out fence reads unless I haven't been keeping up with the posts and have nothing to really talk about. If I'm paying a lot of attention to the game, you'll see me giving town reads and scum reads only. Also, if I'm slightly leaning town on someone, I'll call them a town read (and same for scum) even if it's only slight so don't be too offended if I call you mafia and don't feel too safe if you're mafia and I call you town.
Adds GG to scum list. Also weakly townreads VE and starts leaning town on ritoky.
There was this post too which was called out by a few people earlier, it def sticks out as odd but I suppose there was a lot of focus elsewhere and Nydus felt he was being ignored. Still given that there wasn't much to pay attention to in his filter it still sounds odd...
On June 04 2015 14:14 NydusHerMain wrote:
am I invisible?
Leaves his vote on GG D1, claims to have forgotten/misread/something deadline.
N1 gives out the first real set of reads in this post.
-Read on GG flips (flops?) and is suddenlt town to Nydus. No real reasons given, just kus their reads matchup
-Scums Choco, mostly for not trying to save Kick after his claim. Might have a decent point here (or I like it kus Choco still seems scummy to me)
-Scums Onegu & Damdred for "reasons"
- Scums Me, for my reaction to EoD1
-VE and Milo are only townreads here
This post is interesting...
On June 05 2015 23:23 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 23:10 Tictock wrote:
Looks like not much has happened since i left thread anyways.
Just see GG chanting my name and Fidei looking like he mighta gotten lost in WIFOM over there.
I was tempted to try and look at the votes and whatnot, but it seems like a silly thing to do when no scum got lynched. Either I'm right about scum pushing for that lynch or they just had a grand old time sitting around watching town...
Not sure if we should look at the outlier votes or not. There's not much to go on for either Nydus or Onegu...
I'll prob just leave things at this case on Damdred for now, I'm really tempted to look at him and Choco being a possible team now though... I felt like I mighta noticed something when digging through his filter, but I could also just be tunneled and reacting to what Kick said EoD. I'll get back to that thought if it's still pertinent D2. FYI for anyone trying to read me based on my EoD, I wasn't aware of the EoD (sorry I'll be more careful next time) but had I been able to choose someone to vote on before the jailkeeper claim and it had to be on chocolate on kickstart, it would've been on kickstart so read that how you will. Getting kind of boring reading "outlier votes can go either way."
Admitting he would have voted Kick if he hadn't messed up the timing of EoD... seems like something scum would avoid doing.
This is another odd post, but is more scum leaning...
On June 06 2015 07:36 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm back for like 1 minute and I have to go back to work. While I'm gone, are we supposed to try to talk about why the nk landed on the person?
Why is Nydus suggesting that people talk about this while he is gone?
Another good post... not sure if this is alignment indicative though... prob more a town thing to say
On June 07 2015 07:47 NydusHerMain wrote:
Also before I go back to work, what stops scum from like bussing each other for town cred in a game with no blues? Happens tons in video mafia...
Posts this fairly long decent post pushing Choco as scum.
Mentions a scum read on Onegu, but not why. Questions my town read of him, and makes a little fun @ the Onegu rule.
Here is the last post of note,
On June 08 2015 05:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
Templar is town. Chocolate is a much better vote by 10000 times but I'm going to vote on TickTock just incase -_-. You guys are dumb for voting on templar just because you think he might be salty town? If you don't kill him maybe he won't be as salty. He isn't even as cancerous as damdred is saying. I think damdred is just trying to justify voting on templar after townreading him. He's even covering his tracks with "omg templar still feels like town" BS.
##Vote: Ticktock
Sticks to GG being town, REALLY wants to kill Choco, but votes me (even though Choco is on me too). Also throws out Damdred being scummy still.
Actually that's not as bad as Shen made me think earlier. I read this post at work and found it unsettleing, but I guess it was just kus of the vote on me. It actually makes sense to me, that Nydus who says GG is town would go ahead and throw her vote on the only other wagon of note (also happens to be a scum read of hers) even though her real scum read is Choco.
@Shen
Was there something i missed about this vote? I don't think it looks so bad.
So, overall I find Nydus to be pretty null to me, however I want to quote this post one more time...
Oh, really quick thing, since no one asked and I'm about to leave for dinner, the way I play is I try to give as much content as I can, and I try to leave out fence reads unless I haven't been keeping up with the posts and have nothing to really talk about. If I'm paying a lot of attention to the game, you'll see me giving town reads and scum reads only. Also, if I'm slightly leaning town on someone, I'll call them a town read (and same for scum) even if it's only slight so don't be too offended if I call you mafia and don't feel too safe if you're mafia and I call you town.
Has anyone found the bolded statements to be true? I sure wouldn't say so. I'm not sure, but Nydus could very well be scum here.
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I think I want to filter dive Damdred next, as I found his play shifted a lot in style today. I do agree with everything he said about GG, though maybe it was a bit odd to see him sheep VE.
Idk, given how this game has gone I'm tempted to think we either have a scum team that is mostly lurking and letting town fight amongst town + Show Spoiler +which is why I suggested we start looking at lurkers more seriously
I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).
@ Scott
Is it just me of does Fidei's play look pretty similar to BF's last game? Not sure it makes him scum, I just found the similarity unsettling once I noticed it.
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Prob going to bed pretty soon, I'll have a few more posts before EoN.
I'll give a more updated reads list then, right now I'd still be willing to lynch Choco tomorrow but I should prob give another look at his D2 posts, though I don't recall anything standing out before.
Maybe I need to reread scott too, I've never played a game without him getting lynched D1. I don't really know how to read the guy well, but I have gotten decent townvibes from his posts.
..Truth be told I should prob reread everyone who is still alive just in case... Ugh I'll do that in Day phase... I should have another day off coming up before D3 will be over.
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On June 08 2015 16:15 Fidei86 wrote:
I'll admit that I'm pretty heavily tunnelled on TT and Scott, but did anyone else feel like their last set of interactions sound like a guy talking to his sock puppet? TT makes a big post about why I'm null/newbie town, then Scott says I'm Mafia, then TT agrees with him, all the while they're directing questions only at each other, or mostly at each other.
If your main reason for thinking I'm Mafia is because of the EOD1 lynch vote, then surely that only makes sense if Chocolate is town. I honestly can't see why I, as a Mafia player, especially a new Mafia player, would come off one town wagon onto another town wagon, when I already had a perfectly acceptable policy lynch vote already. obviously my KS vote was disastrous, and I was the first to admit that. I've shown far more remorse than Damdred has for leading two town lynches.
So, I dedicated one whole post to respond to your criticisms of me.+ Show Spoiler + In it I tried to explain why I felt you were possibly being blinded by making too many assumptions. Your EoD vote was one thing I mentioned, not the main thing. I also made sure to point out what posts you had made that have me leaning slightly town for you.
I spent another whole post in response to the point that Shen pointed out about Nydus' vote D2 landing on me which meant Nydus sided with Choco, his main scum read. I didn't quote every post, but I assure you I went through everything in that filter.
Yet you focus in on the one post where I ask scott a question. You want to know why I asked that question?
I was also trying to figure out why I didn't like the tone of Fidei's posts (the WIFOM stuff and the large series of posts changing his thinking. I randomly figured it out while going through Nydus' filter. He looks a lot like one of the newbie scum in NSM X. That guy spent a lot of the early game asking basic noob questions & looking like he didn't know what he was doing and then spent lots of posts "lost in thought" discussing things others told him were best left along (role hunting/suggesting).
I tried to be clear what I was thinking. Scott was scum the game I'm referring to, I've even given the exact game if people would like to know what I'm talking about, I'll do you one better and link it for ya. I felt he might have a better perspective since the player I'm referring to was on Scotts team that game. It wasn't me going "scott, he looks pretty scummy like this guy was scum huh?" though since your seeing me in red I get why you think that, it WAS me going "hey scott, am I crazy or do these 2 things look alike?"
So, yea I think you are probably too tunneled on me. I'm not angry with you for it, I honestly get it really well. I'll explain in detail but I'm leaving those thoughts in spoilers, kus I don't want to fill up the thread with my thoughts from a different game.
Thoughts from last game:
+ Show Spoiler +So I just thought I'd share why I earned the nickname "Tunneltoc" last game, and also why scott has brought up me and tunnels a lot.
Last game we had a Town player by the name of plotspot. It was his 2nd game here I believe and his newness showed. He hardly posted or contributed D1 but spent hours working on spreadsheets detailing everyones time of posting and style of post. In addition he set up a numerical system for looking at how people interacted. The effort was real, but the idea fell flat. The time investment to do all that charting proved far too great and it never helped plots find mafia.
As it turned out plots was actually the town RB that game. Guess how many scum he blocked... 0. In fact he managed to convince himself the best person to block N1 was actually the mafia NK, then N3 AFTER he had claimed cop plots blocked our Cop, also a NK. His other 2 blocks were on town, but was never able to give more than a few words as to why he thought blocking them was a good idea.
Between all those terrible blocks, and the wasted effort D1 (he gave up on the charts after D1, and didn't even use the charts to explain why he used his N1 action like he did), plus the fact that this particular game had a funky setup. I became convinced that plots claim as RB was fake. I spent the next 3-4 phases (that's close to a week) 100% convinced that plots was scum faking a claim. It took plots being the NK on the last night of the game before I finally accepted I was wrong.
Even now I think I had great reasons to think plots was scum that game and I was only further driven down that tunnel since nobody could explain to my why his blocks made any sense, or matched up with his playstyle. I had a whole butt load of reasons to think what I did, and after awhile nobody even cared to talk me down anymore.
So, yea. Tunnels are bad, I prob would have gotten myself lynched over that tunnel if I hadn't been masons that game and was able to use my partner flipping to prove myself town.
This is why I've been doing my best this game to stay out of getting tunneled. I came close to tunneling Damdred N1, but he gave me reasoning and thinking back so I decided to back off and cool my thinking down. My question to scott was similar. I wasn't sure I trusted my own thinking, and so asked someone I'm fairly certain is town for their opinion instead of barreling down some weird meta game association stuff.
Fidei I think you are one of the few people who voted me that actually did their own thinking. Hence why I'm even bothering to respond to you about that thinking. Just please don't fall into the same trap that GG did and not forget to look at the WHOLE game. There are 3 scum left, if you are sure I'm one of them then there are still 2 others that need to be found.
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On June 08 2015 16:29 Onegu wrote:
We are lynching Damdred tomorrow BTW. You all will sheep me.
Sorry but I won't.
I might end up voting with you though if I find enough good reasons to when I look through his filter.
Honestly though it might be wasted effort. Unless Damdred is mafia I'd guess that he is high up on the scum's "To Kill" list.
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@ Onegu
I'm just wondering, you listed 3 players who broke your rule.
Damdred
Shen
Nydus
Why is all your focus on Damdred?
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@Fidei
Humm, decent point. I thought Damdred looked pretty strong D1, but I suppose he did slack off D2... and he led the lynch on Kick. Yea, you are probably right.
Actually I'm being rather hypocritical trying to guess NK's while telling you not to read into them too much, huh?
I'll just go back to reading then...
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EBWOP:
On June 08 2015 17:51 Tictock wrote:
@Fidei
Humm, decent point. I thought Damdred looked pretty strongly reasoned & able to lead town D1, but I suppose he did slack off D2... and he led the lynch on Kick. Yea, you are probably right.
Actually I'm being rather hypocritical trying to guess NK's while telling you not to read into them too much, huh?
I'll just go back to reading then...
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I'm not sure if I've actually looked at VE's filter, so keep that in mind.
My honest gut read on him based on what I recall. He's town. I didn't see anything he did today suggest scum to me and he was one of the strongest pushers for Choco D1.
He might get OMGUS a little too much but he did a good job on his case on GG. He responded to GG and kept pushing since GG's responses were lacking. I would be interested to hear where VE sits on this game now though.
@VE
Care to chime in on that when you are around?
Got slightly sidetracked about GG not being a bad lynch, didn't seem too important on proofreading so I'll leave it spoilered.
+ Show Spoiler +Honestly I don't think it was a bad call for us to have lynched GG. It sucks he was town, but honestly given how he was playing I doubt he would have been an asset in solving this game. I mean claiming he has 99% solved the game and listing 5 players as scum is a pretty poor thing to say. Maybe he will be laughing at us all post-game, but personally I'd bet he pinged out 1... maybe 2 scum at best.
I kinda get why you compare VE and Damdred though especially off of the play going on D1. It might even seem weird that I read VE so strongly Town without much evidence, yet am suspect of Damdred.
To me Damdred's push on Kick looked odd due to it's timing, and also some of the language he used to push it. It wasn't that Damdred made a push & eventual wagon that had (I suppose still has...) me thinking he might be scum here it was how he did it. VE has been consistent with his reads and pushes throughout the Day phases. Any changes in thinking were pretty clearly explained as well.
I'll also remind you that Damdred's play was much different D2 than D1. I recall you scumming ritoky D1 for a shift in his play, what do you make of the shift in Damdred's play D1 to D2?
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Ok finally my look into Damdred's filter. I'll admit I ended up just focusing on his play after D1.
I was actually overstating the shift I had thought I saw in Damdred's play. I has felt he took on a much more lurky/backseat role D2 but I think I mainly thought this since a lot of his posts D2 were short and Damdred wasn't pushing his own thinking as much, but still was to an extent. Damdred's scum reads were really all over the place though.
Just to get it out of the way, I want to remind everyone of not only the case I made against Damdred N1 (which was mostly me looking at EoD) but also of his reply. Looking back, it wasn't a very strong case and Damdred's reply to it was solid.
Shortly after that Damdred posted this which gives this rather interesting read on Nydus.
NydusHerMain is scum I believe. Reading through his filter he gives little to no actual thoughts to the thread overall, he is a bit sideline for me hes never directly involved in any confrontation. He states people are scummy (ie., he says ritoky is scummy) but never really does anything with it, he throws the thought into the thread and just sort of morphs back into the aether to post again another day. He asks at one point if he is invisible, yes, yes he is probably one of the most invisible players in the game. He pushes very little and stays under the radar his read post that he posted during the night was pretty bad to me, his scum reads weren't fleshed out and lacked any depth and also the scum team he propposd just didn't make sense with us triple bussing each other when we had two town up for lynch? It just feels fake to me.
After those reads Damdred seems to go back to the style of play he was doing D1 but at a reduced capacity imo. It could be that he is taking a more defensive stance as I was pushing him N1, and scott & onegu also start scum reading Damdred.
After VE makes his case on GG Damdred sheeps it (stays on this sheep all day, though he later gives his own reasoning why it's a good lynch)
On June 07 2015 02:56 Damdred wrote:
Damdred sheeps VE cause reasons
I'm not sure why Damdred suddenly dislikes Shen, I didn't check super thoroughly maybe this was before Shen was caught up...
On June 07 2015 22:22 Damdred wrote:
How about we lynch sls slot or nydus, literally nydus still has no reads (well has some just that chocolate wagon all town rest of game scum).
Kinda meh even about lynching the Sl slot though
He says he's pretty sure Nydus is scum over me, gets kinda pissed off at scott, and moved to Nydus and Onegu as his top scum.
He gives out this, his player pool he thinks could be scum.
On June 07 2015 22:55 Damdred wrote:
And I'm not trying to be disrespectful to shen by saying Sl slot. Like I don't actually think shen is the commonest player by far but the Scum,team I feel like is in
Oneg(highly unlikely now)
Shen
Fi
GG
Chocolate
Nylus
Those are the commonest players to me atm. Shen is still in a weird place due to Sl. However I think shen has a fair chance to be town because of effort and looking at past games so I'd probably remove him.
To also answer a previous question oneg tries harder as suck than town but that doesn't mean he lurks less as Scum. It seems contradictory but it's just sorta how he does it.
And I really don't want to lynch oneg today so,it's in between 4 people. Even Fi I'd be ok with not lynching, chocolate has been even less here than I have it feels like, Nylus hasn't tried anything today and is just trying to fit in. GG is weird and not actually looking at the,game anymore.
Damdred does some pushing on GG and ends up deciding that GG is a perfectly fine lynch since GG stopped trying to re-evaluate the game and was giving very poor logic.
EoD Damdred seems to shift back and forth between Choco and GG. These quotes show his thinking moving between the two.
On June 08 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote:
Ehhh I kinda want to lynch nydas or chocolate today.
And you are just bad or scum oneg.
Anyway Gg attitude makes me hesitate here no survival really going on bah.
On June 08 2015 00:59 Damdred wrote:
Yeah I really don't care if we lynch Gg and he's town he is a cancer to the thread.
I really doubt he is mafia but I won't cry if he dies. He says he reevaluated but you haven't. You have funneled on tick and have barely interacted with him. His activity push on you actually looks good. Plus his willingness to look at people again and again looks good. He could be Scum I suppose having an amazing game foe him,but he isn't the lynch today.
So let's talk about something else whoever is here.
Shen tell me why you hate chocolate at eod so,much.
On June 08 2015 03:14 Damdred wrote:Honestly this is the first time someone has said this so far this game. I disagree obviously I'm a bit aware of,my meta so it's not as strong. But when I bus I take a much more assertive tone and don't jump all over the place. However I still don't know exactly why I'm Scum to people. This weird generic/middle of,the road complaint. Which I personally don't thunk is right considering I have given out multiple reads when people were using this. Also IDK why someone said 've isn't saying anything...when he is. I would lynch chocolate or Gg today. Also I'm not sure shen, I need another night to look at him unless we kill me today obviously.
On June 08 2015 05:09 Damdred wrote:
I Hobestly want to lynch chocolate for trying to skirt the rules. That's really crappy
On June 08 2015 06:08 Damdred wrote:
Yeah actually Gg is being that bad, has a cancerous attitude that makes it generally unpleasant to talk to that isn't really helpful to the game so idc if he's town or Scum. However 've is pretty sure he's Scum so I trust him.
I don't have an issue with Damdred keeping his vote on GG, I think his reasons for doing so (well besides sheeping VE for "reasons") were good. It does strike me as odd that Damdred never really pushed Chocolate though, even when he was scumming him most of the Day.
Overall Damdreds reads D2 seemed to be pretty all over the place. That is what strikes me between his D1 and D2 play. He seems to not be as sure of himself now and while I see him push Nydus a lot early on in the day I never quite understood why he drops that pressure. Something feels off about his read progressions D2.
I'm thinking that it could be scum!Damdred trying to see where town is willing to lynch into and testing the waters with the early day reads and pushes, then later joining the pack as they gather around one or two people. This also adds up with my concerns about his playstyle I had in my N1 case on Damdred.
It is also possible this is town!Damdred having a hard time with this game, and having lost some confidence with his D1 lynch going so sour.
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I'm getting some odd lag in my internet connection (like it takes more than a min or two to load a page) so I'm prob done reading filters tonight.
I'll leave you guys with my current reads since I'm not sure if I'll be back before EoN. At this point null is probably more like scum leaning, I'm fairly confident of my town reads. Also order means nothing, I'm just going down the player list.
Town
Onegu
VisceraEyes
Shendelzare (I haven't mentioned, her play today has me fairly swayed she is town)
milo109 (his posting has been weak, but it's hard to see him being scum off that EoD1)
scott31337
Null
NydusHerMain
Fidei86
Damdred
Scum
Chocolate
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