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On June 11 2015 17:07 scott31337 wrote:
I looked how you colored green in the past (loaded your filter Tictock, view source, search for green - view-source:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?user=Tictock&view=all ) and that green Shen in your past post seems just completely out of the ordinary- just that seems so out of place compared to the rest of your posting.
Brainstorming thoughts
Lol brainstorm away, pretty sure it was just some random impulse to throw that in for emphasis against the Onegu Rule, but then I was too lazy to do it anywhere else.
Honestly I'm not even sure I'm a fan of doing the colored stuff that much, I've thrown it in a few posts just to see if I like it or not.
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On June 11 2015 18:12 Onegu wrote:
First off my reads havent changed.
Also I realized GG didnt violate the onegu a bit before we lynched him. And NHM did qualify so scum is at least those 2.
3rd scum. I need to think about I will filter dive tonight. I promise.
Also I didnt think I would be the NK last game but I was because I R AWESOME.
Ok will make effort after a dota game.
So these 2 bolded lines here either make no sense or are completely unrelated to this game...
I've never played with Onegu before so I have no idea what his meta is like, but I'd have to assume he'd at least be trying to make sense as Mafia here so that there was as little chance of him getting lynched. So in my mind this makes hime town this game.
It is possibly scum just doesn't give a shit anymore this game, after all they just need to force one more mislynch and given how town has been going this game that is probably pretty easy...
@ Damdred
Care to expand on why you think those posts from VE make him town? I'm less angry with him now that he has at least shown up again, but I'm only seeing him defend himself atm which could be coming from either scum or town VE as far as I know.
I'm 100% digging through Scotts filter later today if both me and him survive the night. His posts last night felt strange and that like conditional voting post thing was rather odd as well. Can't tell if he was just frustrated last night and possibly a little drunk, or if he was just uncomfortable & flailing since Damdred started to suspect him as scum and was trying to pocket me...
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@VE
Since it looks like your around, who do you think is scum out of our now depleted list of players?
Also who are you most sure is town right now as well?
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I want to respond to both VE and Fidei, but I thought we should wait for the next Day post?
No offense (I know it's a thankless job) but Hosts have been dropping the ball a decent bit this game...
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On June 12 2015 06:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 06:31 Fidei86 wrote:
If I die before I can post my "this is why Scott is Mafia" bible post, I'm going to be frustrated. This tube ride has lasted forever. Thank god for the wifi at stations though. Made this shit bearable. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
Guys please stop posting. Wait for day post it sucks but don't want to get mod killed A) The timing of this post is hilarious considering, and B) The rules don't say anything about anyone getting modkilled because the hosts didn't make the daypost in time.
As far as I can tell this is accurate, there is the statement that this game follows standard TL Mafia rules, which upon review only specify the game being halted at EoD... not EoN.
So I suppose I'll return to posting? Would kinda like a confirmation though... though since it's an hour late I have to assume no hosts are around.
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@ Fidei
I assume you were referring to this post?
On June 12 2015 05:01 NydusHerMain wrote:
I'm the easiest push at the moment since a lot of people have called me scummy and I agree I haven't been playing particular towny this game. Ticktock has had the opportunity to call me scum and to push hard on me and if he's mafia, a lot of people has said that he was town to the point where someone like Scott even said that he'd sheep ticktock' read. I'm literally a free ml right now so call me pocketed but he has no incentive to really feign trying to figure out my alignment. All he has to do is jump on the easy bandwagon of calling me scum. He's town for me today.
Onegu is kind of a read in a similar vein. He has this insane tunnel on damdred and has had it since day 1. I wanted him dead for a good 2 days now I believe but thinking of it, there's a lynch nhm train going on and he's still going on damdred instead of me. What's his plan here? He already has me and damdred as part of his scum team. What's his incentive to keep pushing on damdred instead of taking the opportunity to bw on me and say "omg he's mafia onegu rule?"
Scott I need to quote but it was somewhere along day 2 or 3 the way he was talking really felt like he was genuinely trying to figure out my alignment rather than just giving me a town or scum read randomly.
I'd hunt for scum but I'm more concerned about my town reads because I think I'm a good town hunter. I pretty much mislynched chocolate and would've voted on ks before his claim if I didn't miss the eod so I don't trust my scum hunting capabilities this games. If you think I'm scummy for lurking, read my past tl mafia game. I got mled day 2 for not being as active as I should've but I was right on all of my town and had the entire mafia team as either null or leaning mafia by the end.
I'm a little torn, but I overall don't mind Nydus' post here. The overall logic and reasoning here is actually pretty good, however the assumption is that Nydus is a mislynch here which obv is false if he is in fact Mafia. I'm not sure why Mafia would point to themselves and say "I'm a pretty easy lynch atm" so I'm included to think Nydus is in fact town after that. Also I had done a filter dive on Nydus last Day phase and didn't find anything that struck me as scummy.
I'm def open to discussion about Nydus, but I'm actually trying to decide where I sit with Onegu first then look at Scott and Nydus again.
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@ VE
I apologize if I missed/ignored some of your posts, though some of what you quoted in that last big post was written while or after I was writing my post you are responding too.
I overslept today and saw I only had like 45min to put out anymore thoughts in case I was NK'd. So I just quickly read/skimmed what had happened since I went to sleep and responded to that.
These were the last few posts from you I had read and is why I said I felt you were mostly being defensive.
On June 12 2015 03:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 02:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay so I misread your post. And maybe you misread mine? I wasn't calling you scum for leading on GGT, I was calling you scum because you abandoned your push on Chocolate to lead one on GGT, only after GGT started pushing on TT (who is also my top scum read). And also because I find it extremely disconcerting that you have said some version of "I'm town" basically every other post. I didn't so much abandon my push on Chocolate as I widened my search, and I thought I nabbed GG. It's really not complicated - I was giving him a chance to come in and PROVE that he's town through action or posting or something, and GG was (from my perspective) claiming mafia with every post. So it was a thing where I became MORE certain about GG than Chocolate, so that's where my push went. You'll see though that as the day progressed and he did nothing, my scumread on Chocolate made its way back into my filter. Saying "I'm town" is not alignment indicative, I get that you don't like it or whatever, but I do it as town and mafia in equal portions. You have to look at my play, and my pushes, and my reasoning to determine my alignment. This game I think it should be pretty obvious, and that's why I say it.
On June 12 2015 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ritoky's reads also played into it, because he died. Like, I was suspicious of Chocolate and Ritoky made a note that if Chocolate is mafia then GGT is probably mafia with him. That's what made me start scrutinizing GGT in the first place, and ultimately scumread him based on our interactions. Look at how he goes from having NO read on me and chocolate to suddenly having a scumread on me after I scumread him for (what I perceive to be) good reasons. That CEMENTED my read of GGT - he started using things that had happened D1 to say I'm mafia when NOT EVEN HOURS BEFORE had said that he filtered me and nothing stood out as suspicious. He was fabricating reasoning to be suspicious of me, in spite of the fact that he was town, and that made me scumread him.
It IS (generally speaking) all in my filter. And my filter isn't inconsiderable, all things considered.
On June 12 2015 04:10 Damdred wrote:
Ve looks towny in his last few posts hrm.
This is a hard game.
2 Posts from VE that are mostly justifying his actions in the past days (which as I said I could see coming from VE as either alignment) and then Damdred saying he felt those posts made him think VE is town, which made little sense to me based on the posts I had read. It makes more sense now.
Sorry if i was reading stuff out of context. I asked you both questions just to make sure I was clear on where you two were coming from here.
Looking over the post you made I actually like a lot of the posts from you that I missed. So long as you don't abandon the game again I'll have no further issues with you.
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Sorry Artanis >.<
and, WTH Fidei was the NK? Dammit I did not see that one coming...
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Well. I know where Onegu's head is at this game...
I'm not sure Onegu is town, but I think I've come to the conclusion that he is a terrible lynch today. I'm not willing to end this game on a coinflip.
So the question is then, does he have a solid read on Damdred? I'm tempted to say No, but having looked through his filter I can see his suspicions of Damdred started before he went off about his Onegu Rule, which just seemed to solidify his read.
I think I'll stick with reading through Scotts filter, then maybe I'll recheck Damdred. I've been liking Damdred's bigger posts where he tries to go through some voting logic, and have him as town because of it... But I've been wrong most of this game so I think he deserves a revisit.
I'm back to being pretty sure VE is town here.
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@ Damdred
I know you gave your thinking about Scott earlier, and I'm planning to read through his filter here soon to check stuff myself. However can you please put together a decent case or something so I can be sure I'm following your thinking?
I'm really unsure of Scott based on my interactions with him last night... but that's not enough for me to lynch the guy today.
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When I read through Onegu's filter in this post I noticed he started thinking you were scum and voted you D1, long before he ever brought up his RNG'ing you or Onegu rule.
I'm not saying he has much reasons to vote you right now, but I have a suspicion he has better reasons than he lets on...
+ Show Spoiler +Well that, or he's just a crazy "old" coot...
Who sometimes have a way of seeing things that others don't
Overall Onegu comes off as just a random irrelevant poster, but he has his moments where he makes decent sense...
Damdred writes this in his big post. This is after I voted him for no reason. Like if you read my post it just says reasons. Like when ritoky asked me for a filter to read I wrote I rng'd damdred. How does he think I was pushing his lynch at all. Then the only reason he scum reads me is because I didnt push his lynch but voted him. He knows I do this shit all the time. Damdreds reason for scum reading me is complete BS.
Course then his "case" on you is pretty shit...
On June 11 2015 02:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:01 scott31337 wrote:
How about at least a baby case Onegu on Damdred? I've already said it. His quick flip read on me. Plus town damdred doesn't just stop playing. He has stopped playing. Plus my gut reads are strong. Gut read says damdred scum. He was to quick to claim himself town for lynching our blue day 1 also
I'm not buying Onegu's logic, but there is enough there to suggest that you are worth another look.
Also in regards to your case on scott, does his posting more recently have you more sure he is scum?
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So Damdred, you go from this right before EoD..
On June 11 2015 05:32 Damdred wrote:
Like I really feel like ve and tick are town as well as with oneg. Its a feeling on oneg rather than actual context on tick and 've. Might be wrong but it's how I feel.
Scott feels townish(?) With a hint of paranoia.
The others are weird.... so so weird
To this
I actually read back through some of scotts past games and one thing I noticed is a completely different tone here. When he was town in his last game he sounded really jubilant and wasn't giving huge walls of texts at all everything was clear and concise and when he started to think he was wrong or might be he initially apologized to the people and then tried to work with them.
Here hes not really like that, to me at points he sounds angry and hes much wordier than he was in his latest town game, and the posts look more like his scum games. He blends in pretty well I think without pushing a lot of the thread forward himself. Also I pointed it out in one of my posts earlier about how crappy acting he was towards me, its just a horribly angry attitude and is vastly different then his last town game as well.
Also the most important thing about this vote and scott I think is that when he went to vote his first thought was Damdred is bussing rather than, my scum read damdred is onboard with this lynch what should this mean to me?
Also he says hes going to vote Fideli during the night. But never mentions him ends up on chocolate last night, well he does mention him that he looks better. But after he said if i'm alive i'm going to be on fideli etc. he doesn't really mention him during the day or try to pressure him.
He also has that weird onegu is town read that he has went towards and backed off of.
I'm kinda convinced that scott is scum here.
TLDR: First scum read is scott
His tone is different from his last town game.
Really angry sounding and confrontational
Rather than working with people and trying to see how he is wrong
Sometimes forgets reads or goes back on them at a moments notice when almost nothing has changed (oneg)
Votes with his scum read but just says it must be a bus rather than looking at the alternatives
Based on one post where you basically just say "Yep, Fidei is probably town"
I played with Scott in both his last games, there is literally nothing to go on based on a meta... He died both games D1 and his scum game he lost internet access so was unable to even post for ~30 hours. I have a hard time believing you got that good of a tone read on him.
Really angry sounding and confrontational
Rather than working with people and trying to see how he is wrong
Those points also applied pretty well when we were lynching GG, yet it turned out he was in fact town as well. How are you so sure they make Scott scum if it wasn't also true for GG?
Sometimes forgets reads or goes back on them at a moments notice when almost nothing has changed (oneg)
I could say the same of you. N1 you made this fairly impressive looking post that suggested you were highly considering Nydus and Choco as scum. However come day phase you never really bring up these reads and instead you do this...
On June 07 2015 02:56 Damdred wrote:
Damdred sheeps VE cause reasons
And end up on the GG wagon...
So, yea, I think there are good reasons to double check my town read on you if that's your best case on Scott.
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On June 12 2015 08:52 Damdred wrote:
Sweeping a town read isn't crummy try again. Palmar makes several excellent posts about this in other games like Linux mafia and a few others.
And it's still one of the reasons I really town read 've. He totally believed what he was saying put in 10x the effort that he had to,and his case wasn't bad at all. It still isn't, it was wrong not,bad.
So no problems in my eyes sleeping him.
Also everyone who is town think about this, tt said during the night I was most likely town and now he's laying the ground work to vote me when he clearly should of had these problems then.
Actually he's starting to play really strangely at this juncture(?).
Anyway I think Scott is scum. Tt might be but I need more time to think,about it.
Also if you are town and are thinking of voting me answer this what is the point of me only killing people that town read me. That's stupid.
Ah ok, I see my confusion there. It is ok when YOU swap on a town read, but when I do it it's scummy. And all I ever said was that I wanted to rethink my position on you... Like I've done for practically everybody at this point!
And why is it so important to you that the NK's were townreading you? Is that the only value they had to you?
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I'm still in the process of reading Damdred's filter (I decided to do that first before Scott's)
@ Scott
You seem to be oddly unphased by Damdred making a case on you and voting you. So far you've stated that you kinda just want to sheep me today, however you also posted this
If Fidei dies
Onegu/
Are you still thinking we should lynch Onegu today?
What if I told you I'm finding that Damdred is absolutely town and that I've decided to sheep his case on you?
Who would you like to lynch today?
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@ Damdred
Man why were you even worried? I poured over your filter and you have been one towny mother*%&$#^#$ this game.
I'm salty that you started a wagon that got Kick lynched, and something about your tone does suggest this "playing all sides" attitude to me at times. However I have to admit that you've generally had good reads, made great points, and while you seem to shine most after EoD your reads have all been consistent and I can actually see how they change by looking through your posts carefully.
On June 12 2015 14:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like everyone go look at Onegu's filter in Carnival Cruise. You'll notice that his filter size is about the same, but the content is WILDLY different. He actually gives reasons for his suspicions and references posts and explains what he's thinking. In this game it's just been a blind Damdred push all game long, mostly for no reason other than his "Onegu Rule" which doesn't even make any sense.
I think he's probably mafia this game, and I think that's why Fidei died. Because he was suspicious of scott and Onegu.
From what others have said I thought his lack of interest would suggest that he is town... Now that i think about that I'm pretty sure it was Scott who said that though. Honestly I've been kinda relying on other peoples reads on him, plus his occasional coherent posts to support my idea of him being town. At this point all I know for sure about Onegu is that he is a terrible lynch today because he is more or less a coinflip.
I've spent a lot of time now convincing myself that Damdred and VE are town this game so for the moment I am going to sheep this scott wagon. I will do my own due-diligence just like i have been doing and go through scotts filter tomorrow.
Damdred and VE... if you two are in fact both scum this game and I'm just walking right into another mislynch... I'll be very cross with you post game.
##Vote: Scott
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Thats kinda a funny question VE...
In terms of posting I'd actually say I find them both to be pretty scummy. Neither really seems to care about the game state and just want to push their own reads/ideas. Kinda similar to GG actually...
The only thing that makes Milo stand out there is his D1 unvote off of Kick. I've made a post D3 where I tried to see his logic doing that if he was scum, it didn't make much sense unless Choco was also scum... so no I have a really hard time seeing Milo as scum.... but i hate that it's only for the one reason.
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Just poking me head in to apologize and make an excuse for my general inactivity today.
I woke up to find that my basement is flooded with several inches of water & have been dealing with that all morning. Hopefully I can get the situation resolved today.
I'm really sorry, but I also REALLY need to deal with this.
I'll try and keep up with reading and should have time later on tonight to do the filter dive on Scott that I keep promising.
The more I've thought about it the more I like VE's suggestion that Scott, Onegu, and Nydus are the scum team here.
I'm very certain that VE and Damdred are town, I know I am town, and while Milo is an outlier he is probably just bad town.
I implore everyone voting Damdred (at least one of you is town) to take a look at his filter and see for yourselves if you really think he could be Mafia this game.
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On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote:VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me  But if that's the case, there's a mafia on me and can last minute switch anyway and it's over. I've always had mixed emotions about yourself.
Sure I went after you.
Has nothing to do with me trying to follow Onegu's thinking about Damdred. Reading Damdred's filter and coming to my own conclusion that he is town.
Also has nothing to do with how you claimed you want to sheep me after I made these two posts. Which since you now bring up that I was on multiple (2 btw) mislynches seems like an odd thing to want to do. Unless it was an attempt to pocket me. I has been reading Onegu as town most of this game as well as made a case on Damdred early on when he irked me after EoD. You prob figured I'd fall in line and lynch him next.
Also this post, where you are almost conditionally voting based on the night kill... wth was that?
You say we should dismiss those posts kus you were messing around while drinking... sounds to me more like your trying to cover up your drunken slips since you felt like you had this game won.
I'm gunna have to find some of those fabled Town Rainbows in your filter for me to reconsider my vote.
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Ok Scott I just got up + Show Spoiler +Basement shit took most of my time today, plus I missed work kus i had to be around to let the plumber in. More shit from there... I ended up passing out early due to frustration and exhaustion. Trying to get out ~6 inches of standing water from your basement sucks, and there's still the bit were I have to sort through all my shit and pick out the things not completely ruined by this.
End Rant
I'm taking your bolded points to be the main arguments you are making here.
On June 13 2015 12:38 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 15:40 scott31337 wrote:
11:30pm - thoughts
One of VE/Damred/Ritoky is mafia, maybe two. VE pocketed me early, a little too early. I'm suspicious of him.
Ritoky is playing really well if he is mafia, better then what I have read. I really want to town read him, but, see above.
Onegu is a meta town read - Needs to show up D2/D3 - which he normally does.
GG Is a town read, and maybe ritoky is throwing my chain, but I got lynched in Newbie X D1 for the same reasons. Keep an eye out - like I mentioned, when Day three comes and they are not dead, start to worry.
Chocolate I have not liked since the start - and maybe mafia moved their votes to protect their guy - It's too early to tell. I still do not like him - still scummy
Ritoky - I really like his thoughts and I want him to be town so we can win - I have seen his play before as well though confusing us - and Kickstart saw it a little bit as well - Another D3 worry - I want to like him though.
Fidei86 - crap.
Milo - crap.
TicTock - He improved his game a lot if he rolled scum this time. We talked back and forth and I think he's town. Day 4 then be worried. Look, It's day four, and I'm worried that town is going to lose. I must be a fucking magician. Do you think I would keep him or Damdred alive this long if I were mafia?---- I WAS TOWNREAD BY ALMOST EVERYBODY UNTIL TODAY!
I'm not impressed that you had already stated that by D4 you would be willing to lynch me. In fact I find this to be very poor town thinking in general. You don't give players X amount of time before you lynch them. You take the posts that that player has made and update your reads as the game develops, or you use their filter to see if you missed something or if things make more sense later. Saying "Welp, it's D4 and he ain't dead yet, time to kill off TT" is pure nonsense when we are in LyLo. The fact that you keep trying to push this logic as your "read on me" is both insulting and clearly scummy thinking.
In regards to your two points here (I find them oddly interrelated) well I did some digging through our departed Townies reads (well the NK's at least) and noticed that they did all have something in common, and I think we can take a guess as to why Fidei may have been the last NK.
On June 06 2015 03:11 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 03:05 Damdred wrote:
Like I want to say tickyock is the scum on chocolate fid is the scum on Ks and games solved because that seems right. But something is just weird right now LOL my spreadsheet right now: ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/faef889d9d5d77922d3772d7b90c7902.png)
Ritoky isn't easily townreading you. In fact he has you, Onegu, and Nydus as null reads. Sure I'm his main scumread (or at least he still heavily suspects me) there but if you clear out the rest of the confirmed towns from his list there, that just leaves Scott, Onegu, and Nydus. Interesting...
On June 08 2015 22:52 Shendelzare wrote:
I'm extremely busy at work. Once I get off work though, I'll look into Damdred/VE/NHM given the concerns I'm reading.
I'm pretty sure Scott is okay but will probably give his filter a runthrough to make sure I'm not missing anything.
Milo is making me a little nervous as a lurker, NHM for that and the reads day two.
Shen only had one full cycle to spend on this game and she was mostly looking into chocolate. She did say this about you late into her last Night. Ok it's not much, but its another person who says them want to look into you a little deeper. AND Shen was proving herself to be quite capable at catching little details.
WIFOM spoilered! Read with Caution!
+ Show Spoiler +I've actually wondered a fair bit about why Shen would have been killed off. I'm fairly convinced it was because she was an unknown element and did a lot of work to overturn the reputation that SL left the slot in. Compared to Myself (who was almost lynched D2) and Damdred (who had gotten a fair bit of flack about his style as well as the KS lynch) and VE who up to that point was on the completely wrong track, I think Shen was clearly a greater threat to the scumteam and a much more difficult Mislynch as she was gaining support.
Then there was Fidei...
On June 12 2015 05:56 Fidei86 wrote:
I just don't think it's possible for anyone to read Onegu as town. I also don't understand the Scott read. Scott hasn't led anything. He hasn't stuck his neck out once. He also reacted super badly to me calling him scum the first time. He was actually very rude ("your heart is going faster now, isn't it?") - I found that actually a little intimidating, and I don't know why a townie would say it.
Of course, NHM could just be misguided town. But I hate the read.
Oh thats right, Fidei didn't like Scott did he? He also clearly had some issues with Onegu as well...
He also was clearly working on a case against Scott
On June 12 2015 06:31 Fidei86 wrote:
If I die before I can post my "this is why Scott is Mafia" bible post, I'm going to be frustrated. This tube ride has lasted forever. Thank god for the wifi at stations though. Made this shit bearable.
On June 12 2015 06:41 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay first thing then look back at his day 1 and see how he gets on the chocolate wagon. He gave no reasons. In fact, he said several times that he thought both wagons were town. He did exactly the same on the GGT wagon - saying several times he thought GGT was town, but keeping his vote there anyway. There's tons more but given the impending NK I just want to get it out there.
Besides the fact that Fidei was one of the most townread people comeing into today this seems like a great reason Scott and the team would have wanted Fidei gone.
I'd point out that GG was also scumming Scott, but honestly I dont see much reason to trust his reads. Still just another person who wasn't townreading Scott.
So the idea that you have only been townread this game is clearly false. Also by looking through the NK's I can find statements by each of them saying they think you are worth a closer look. Then of course there was Fidei who was clearly working on a case against Scott. I'd wager than Scum really wanted to kill off either Damdred, VE or Myself N3 but they settled with Fidei since he was a hard person to push for Mislynch today and he clearly was onto something with Scott.
And with that I'm off to read your filter Scott, though tbh I think I'd be perfectly happy just sheeping Damdred at this point. Both because I'm willing to stake the game on Damdred being town at this point and you've given me plenty of reasons to think you are scum today besides his Case on you.
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Sorry about all the spoilers, it was the only way I could put in everything I was finding without this post ballooning into Enormity. I used some links for posts that I felt I could restate the main points.
Scott starts off this game with a bit of filler, some weak townreads, posting old games (of other people), and some easy advice posts ("There is a voting thread" type stuff). Pretty NAI stuff.
This is scotts first post with any real opinions. He is mostly scumming Fidei in this post and is suspicions of Damdred and VE.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so.
Yet in his very next post his top scum are GG and Choco...
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:11 scott31337 wrote:I'm back now - On June 03 2015 17:49 Fidei86 wrote:
Hey guys I'm back online.
I have to admit, I'm a little blown away by how much back and forth there was. I guess there's no other way to do forum mafia, but still, it's tough. I sort of feel like I should print out all of your names on a big A3 page and then draw lines between each of you representing defences and accusations. In fact, if anyone has the time to do that, I think it would be helpful (especially later in the game, when nobody can be bothered to go through a bazillion pages of text).
My only reads, and I admit they are very weak, are on Kickstarter and Viscera. I thought that both have taken a somewhat 'holier-than-thou' tone in their posts. Kickstarter started off with a very lecture-y post which felt to me like an attempt to stake out his town credentials before the mud began to fly. Then again, maybe that's just how he is as town, I dunno. Viscera has similarly been very confident in his/her posts, which is suspicious to me because I'm just not sure about anything at this point. I do not like this post. It really does not say much and have any conclusions - although he shares the same ideas with VE as I do - On June 04 2015 01:42 Fidei86 wrote:
VE - in particular, I agree with his read on scott and GG, and also on KS. I also think he has a point about the way you entered the thread (and this is something I've said before as well). None of that is to say that I have a strong read on him either way, I just don't agree that anything he has said or done obviously makes him mafia. I'm going to keep an eye on him for now. Damdred never did reply to my meta question and has magic meta townreads, but we wait until Day 2 unless something comes up. VE is noting Chocolate is trying to get a easy ML on me, I like where he's going with this - and I don't think it's a VE pocket, although I've seen him play like that either way. From how Milo defended himself I believe he is town. I still like Kickstart although the thread consensus seems to be the opposite. I'll reread a few pages of the thread I was pretty blitzed last night when I did so. do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well.
Skipping past more filler posts... Then spends a lot of time/effort explaining Chezinu rule, some questions to KS, moves Choco to possible town, so his scum is Fidei and GG, Votes GG.
This post struck me as a bit odd, Scott is just being nitpicky but it's reading almost like a weak attempt to solidify his vote on GG.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2015 15:25 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 00:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Town:
Nydus
sicklucker
Milo89
Fideu86
Mafia:
Kickstark
Tictock I can understand a Nydus town read, but SL? Do you see SL as townie? I see a null at the moment and unsure how to pull a townie read from SL's filter. He cannot even get Milo's or Fidei86's name spelled right. Fail on one maybe, but two? You have townreads and haven't read enough to get their name right? I can understand a "Palmar/Palmer" thing, you know what I mean? Just seems weird to me. I've explained how I feel on Kickstart (another misname) already Does any of this strike you as suspicious or am I over-reading things? Like he's throwing a shit list out and going poof?
Then there is the quote that Scott says I townread him for + Show Spoiler +On June 04 2015 15:36 scott31337 wrote:
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?
Here is another odd post... I had stated my conerns that Scott was so far looking pretty similar to his scum game, this post is a weird way to reply to that. It's more confrontational and inflamitory (like he is stirring up trouble) than trying to help show me he is town.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2015 15:54 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.
GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...
I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.
I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here. What do you think so far Tictock? Has your opinion changed on me? You are being scumread by a few people as well - ![[image loading]](http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003133139/5747562267_21410032_answer_1_xlarge.png)
Here is another post that on the surface looks good (like the question I mentioned before) but if you look closely he is just mimicking ritoky's own opinion back at him. It's actually brilliant because it deflects the suspicions ritoky is stating while refocusing him on GG.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2015 16:01 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote:
i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.
Could this be how you feel about GGTemplar as well? I see very little resistance so I'm starting to get that mislynch him mafia doesn't care.
This post is also interesting, Scott is throwing out suspicions on Milo and myself, but not really doing much about it. He also just restates this "I'm not sure about GG, nobody is defending him" logic. I'm not even sold that this thinking has much value, + Show Spoiler +it's interesting but fails when scum buss their partners. I could see Scum defending a town mislynch, or Town trying to defend Scum who they don't think is so bad. A scum up for lynch (with partners that buss them) would have few defenders and a town playing really bad could easily get lynched without anyone bothering to step in to stop it.
I think I liked this post when I first read it because I kinda understood where Scott was coming from on his opinion on Onegu. Looking at it now though I find it weird that Scott is scumming Fidei for wanting to lynch Onegu when he himself says that Onegu isn't playing great. It's also interesting Scott keeps saying we should keep Onegu around since he will improve later on, I find it rather interesting Scott promises this FOR Onegu.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 03:09 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 00:59 Fidei86 wrote:On June 05 2015 00:36 Chocolate wrote:
It's a really hard choice, honestly since i'm not really sold on anyone being 100% mafia I would just get rid of Onegu/SL as my first choice because
1. it's easy to hide as mafia if you never contribute
2. even if they are town they aren't very helpful
unless someone makes a very good case for someone else or wants to vote one of these people with me I'll probably just leave my vote on VE because it looks like he isn't going to get lynched and (I think) we need to vote for at least somebody I really agree with what Chocolate said about Onegu, save that the lurking is so obvious (and lurking is such a classic mafia play, as I understand anyway) that he would be mad to play like this if he were actually mafia. Still, I'm leaning towards voting for him just because I don't think there's any totally slam-dunk targets today and if we mislynch on him, at least we won't be losing anyone who is being a useful townie. Obviously I'm not saying that I want a mislynch, just saying that statistically the likelihood is quite high that we will, so we should take town-contribution into account as well when voting. Some people sort of defended him earlier, saying that this was just his usual play style when he was town. Can we hear from those people again, just to get their read now we're going into the first night? Bad post - seems to look like trying to go for an Onegu Mislynch in my opinion, try to start a bandwagon. Is this from a town who doesn't like Onegu or a scum trying a wagon away from GG or Chocolate? I know Onegu isn't playing great, but he will shine his moments when need be or we can worry about him tomorrow. I don't want to lynch him today. Onegu thinks Chocolate and Milo are town though. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 01:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I would like Scott's thoughts on my analysis of why the 'Chezinu rule' which he spent a great deal of thought on this game applies and points to 'Tictock' as scum pushing on Ritoky-Chezinu, not myself as scum pushing on Tictock-Chezinu. I didn't spend a whole lot of thought, I copy/pasted most of what it was about from another thread. Your vote (and you never did really vote) was fairly early and seemed to be of starting a wagon going early. Do you know what I mean? Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote:
If we policy lynch id rather lynch SL than oneg though because oneg has tl family things I would agree because I do not see SL being re-motivated, but I'd rather not vote him today either unless you aren't seeing bigger fish.
More promises of Onegu's great scum finding abilities as Town and a meta read as to why Onegu isn't Scum.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 03:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:11 Fidei86 wrote:
@Scott - could you explain what you mean by "he will shine his moments when need be"? Have you played with him before? He's really good at finding mafia when he's town, but he doesn't build cases very well. I've observed probably at least five of his games. He likes to roll mafia and enjoys it more. As town he's usually pretty meh the first day until he's got votes and such to look at - and that's why I want him for at least another day. If day two still sucks we can go after him.
This post adds nothing at all and is a pretty clear attempt to pocket ritoky.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 04:16 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:05 ritoky wrote:
VE, do you know what i find to be the most compelling reason to stay on chocolate at the moment is?
that you or i are pretty much every single player in the game's #1 town read and yet we are the only 2 on this vote lol. that shit is blowing my mind.... I've been thinking about this quite a bit actually, just haven't put it in the thread. Let's do it!
Next few posts add little to Push for Choco as a lynch D1 or as a Defense of KS, Scott is just riding the EoD storm... exactly where I would imagine scum to be when both lynchs are on town that day. He even makes this post saying he thinks both wagons are town. However still says "Get on Chocolate!" after Kick claims. Easy moves for scum to make to show that they did not want to lynch either of the townies D1, and scum actually doesn't care if KS gets lynched, they can always NK him that night.
That is just up through D1... I may split these up if I keep finding this much stuff... or I'll stop after D2 and just leave my vote on Scott. I'm actually ready to do just that after re-reading his D1.
Scott posts this after his initial reactions to EoD. I'm noticing a pattern where Scott likes to make big posts with lots of quotes, but with very little of his own thoughts posted in between... seems like a scum strat to posting.
Scott responds to Nydus' massive N1 post here and he is oddly focused on formatting stuff? I don't get why he says the Gree/Red text is a waste of time...
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 14:50 scott31337 wrote:
Nydus can you give us a list of your scum to town? You wasted time with the green/red, and I know that takes time to do so, so this won't ask for much.
Here we see that Scott has once again switched up his scumreads without a ton of reasons. GG has dissapeared, Choco is back up there, Damdred is now a scum lean, and even though they both scum Damdred Scott thinks Milo rounds out this team?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 15:00 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia
I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.
Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.
Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.
Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.
Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.
I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.
The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.
Maybe - Chocolate town? EZPZ read - scum don't like scumming anybody. Rit super town? No, he's a light town. I see Fidei's ideas of "if this one mafia, etc" but he could be coached that as well, do not see any of it. ## Chocolate / Milo / (one of my pocketed vets, Ritoky/VE/Damdred) with a lean on Damdred. Damdred is playing his shit game, at least Onegu is pulling more off. I'm about 85% sure one of these are mafia, a slight lean on two. Ritoky looks a lot better then the other two, but worry when none of them die Day 3, check them out again.
Then another post related to Nydus' coloring of names? A claim that Scott will have the game solved in a day or two...
This post is actually REALLY telling.
On June 05 2015 15:40 scott31337 wrote:
11:30pm - thoughts
One of VE/Damred/Ritoky is mafia, maybe two. VE pocketed me early, a little too early. I'm suspicious of him.
Ritoky is playing really well if he is mafia, better then what I have read. I really want to town read him, but, see above.
Onegu is a meta town read - Needs to show up D2/D3 - which he normally does.
GG Is a town read, and maybe ritoky is throwing my chain, but I got lynched in Newbie X D1 for the same reasons. Keep an eye out - like I mentioned, when Day three comes and they are not dead, start to worry.
Chocolate I have not liked since the start - and maybe mafia moved their votes to protect their guy - It's too early to tell. I still do not like him - still scummy
Ritoky - I really like his thoughts and I want him to be town so we can win - I have seen his play before as well though confusing us - and Kickstart saw it a little bit as well - Another D3 worry - I want to like him though.
Fidei86 - crap.
Milo - crap.
TicTock - He improved his game a lot if he rolled scum this time. We talked back and forth and I think he's town. Day 4 then be worried.
Notice how almost everyone is scum? Either Scott doesn't like them currently, or they have one of these arbitrary timers next to their name "D4, be worried!". I can't help but notice Nydus isn't on this list either... Onegu was a topic of discussion but why list Nydus if he is a scum partner who isn't under much suspicion?
And then just more, Well they could be town but be scared if they are mafia posting
On June 05 2015 16:03 scott31337 wrote:
Damdred posts a lot of null/blah shit when he's mafia (or town) and it's hard to distinguish which side he's on. He's more of a busser (votes for his mafia peeps) - And doesn't want to take a stance so it'll mess up his "meta" for future games.
VE is a little more aggressive as town but to be honest he's a tough one to read as well. He has more of a hard-on as mafia. I do not see that as of yet.
Ok I actually need to stop there. This post is already massive and I'm only on page 3 of Scott's filter.
I'm going to stop doing post by post analysis from here and just continue reading on my own. I'll update if my opinion changes, but honestly I'm amazed at how much I have found rather scummy in Scotts filter and have barely scratched the surface... I'm rather disappointed in myself for holding off reading his filter for so long.
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