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Milo -
On June 03 2015 09:22 milo109 wrote:
Sure.
I don't like VE. He's obviously a strong player, and I don't think he's contributed as many reads as he should have.
Sicklucker is an another possibility, but with people who still haven't posted, I don't think I need to find a third scum yet.
This looks like a "I solved the game" post which can come from either alignment, although unsure how serious he is. I saw Shining do this and got scummed for it hard when he was town though.
Unless this is a smurf, I do not see this read coming so early by his posts.
On June 03 2015 09:34 milo109 wrote:
GRR. This is frustrating me. I'm fine being read as scum for my own problems, but not for assuming that someone who hadn't posted was unable to defend themselves. HE WASN'T POSTING. THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T DIRECTLY RESPOND TO YOUR ACCUSATION.
Showing anger and emotion - Mafia 101?
On June 04 2015 09:28 milo109 wrote:
I'm back. Fidei's post is ... interesting. That's one that will hard decide his alignment depending on whether he is genuine or not.
He doesn't quote the interesting Fidei's post but he quotes every other post from his filter above and below this. hmmm
On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here.
This looks like a really wishy washy reply about Milo- And i'm not town-reading Tictock yet.
I had Milo townread yesterday by his defense to the pressure though.
Still worries me no one defending GG much.
Going to sleep now I think.
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On June 04 2015 15:36 scott31337 wrote:
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?
milo and SL, did mention my issues with chocolate before and it seems he is getting a lot of heat atm, will see that happens there.
My "willing to lynch" list is going to be quite long, not sure if that is good or bad D:.
GGT, milo, SL, chocolate, and possibly damdred but it all depends on what he posts before the end of the day. That is probably the order I would choose as well, SL and chocolate kind of the same in the order though, SL for the reasons I stated earlier and for now just afking and chocolate because I had already been suspicious of him and it seems that the two people I think are town (ritocky and VE) are both going on him.
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@ scott
My read on you had changed even before you posted your little quote + picture thing. Your a weak town lean for me atm.
My initial read on you was actually kinda null. I mentioned you might be scum since I was noticing a similarity in your posts this game to last game where you were mafia. The whole thing was a pretty weak meta read tbh. In fact having reviewed some of the post game stuff from NSM X I see that you went inactive that game due to internet issues, not anything to do with alignment.
Given that, I do need to give you a fresh read, so here I go.
First I notice you've mentioned this a couple times...
Still worries me no one defending GG much.
I kinda like your thought process here. Your saying that since nobody is even trying to defend him it suggests to you that he is Town yes?
I see one flaw in that thinking and would like to use last game as evidence. Whats to stop scum from bussing their partner? That's what your team did last game when you fell under suspicion and were not around to defend yourself.
Besides, there is one person who has been pretty outspoken about defending GG, and you just spent the last page interacting with him. Not sure how you missed ritoky saying this...
As for what I like, look at his filter. To me he highlights all but maybe 1 or 2 of what I thought were the most important posts in the first 20 pages and gives an opinion/read on them. He comments on kickstart's opening, he comments on SL/TT interactions, he properly reads me town, he comments on kickstart being bullish, he comments on nydus' entry, and then he addresses the questions posed to him after he catches up. It just reads as town reading the thread and commenting on stuff he finds relevant.
The bolded part is just me picking at Nits again. I find it odd that ritoky throws in a subtle "I'm town" in the middle of his read on GG. Still his overall points aren't too bad, and even has me rethinking my own position a little.
I'd still like to hear from GG himself though. It really does bug me that he'd scum me early on then ignore my reactions to it. Him asking me to restate my response didn't help, kus it also tells me that he isn't willing to do his own reading + Show Spoiler +this is a trend I've noticed in this community that REALLY bugs me. Reading is super important in forum based Mafia, if you can't be bothered to do it, imho, you shouldn't be here. It looks like GG might be new here, so maybe I'm overreacting.
This has me questioning just how much you yourself are paying attn to this game. I'm not going to scum you for not having 100% perfect reading retention or comprehension though.
Actually the whole interaction I saw between you and ritoky looked pretty good. This question to Kick was great,
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?
That tells me that even though you're scumming GG you are looking beyond him as well. That is great town thinking imo, scum would just focus w/e target they pick and try to get others to do the same no?
I also like how you pointed out that my "read" on milo there was kinda bad. I don't really like the term "wishy washy" I think it's one of those political terms that attacks indecisiveness, but w/e you have a point. I was giving milo some benefit of the doubt for being new here and was mostly saying I need to see more from him to get a solid read.
Thus far I'm not super impressed with him. He's a slight scum lean to me. I poked him a little when I was interacting with ritoky to see what he would do. Mostly I saw him deflecting and not wanting to get pulled into the discussion there. I did find it interesting how me mentions that he doesn't agree with GG being a good lynch.
Actually...
@milo
Care to expand on your thoughts on GG?
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Bah, excuse my wandering thoughts last post. I woke up middle of the night because it's too hot and muggy where I am, prob should go take a shower or something to fully wake up and keep myself from just posting a stream of thought.
Scott, I think your a pretty strong town lean right now. Honestly I'm not sure I would have voted for you today anyways. I'd feel terrible seeing you lynched D1 3 games in a row... lol.
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Even after cooling off nothing new is sticking out to me. My current top scum list looks like:
GG
Choco
milo
SL
SL might actually be higher up than milo, he's lurking too much for my tastes this game.
Onegu should prob be on that list as well, there was something about his tone I liked though. Need to see more out of him before I have a solid read though.
There's a few other players I'm not paying much attn to atm, Nydus & Fidei most notably I think. I'll be around before and through EoD so I'll reassess then.
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So my son has a doctors appointment tomorrow at 2PM EST and I am not sure if I will be around for deadline.
So I need to find someone to vote...
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Didnt I already tell you Milo and Chocolate are town. I am fairly certain I posted that...
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On June 04 2015 18:39 Onegu wrote:
Didnt I already tell you Milo and Chocolate are town. I am fairly certain I posted that...
And what if I told you I prefer Vanilla...
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On June 04 2015 18:43 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 18:39 Onegu wrote:
Didnt I already tell you Milo and Chocolate are town. I am fairly certain I posted that... And what if I told you I prefer Vanilla...
heretic, chocolate is clearly superior to vanilla. Anyways I am going to attempt to sleep as well, see you guys later.
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@ritoky - Could you give an explanation for why you have changed up your play-style so much from the start, where you were posting images and generally appearing to be something of a troll, to now where you are asking good questions and giving good analysis. It's confusing to me, and I'd be very interested in your reasoning / thought-process.
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On June 04 2015 18:59 Fidei86 wrote:
@ritoky - Could you give an explanation for why you have changed up your play-style so much from the start, where you were posting images and generally appearing to be something of a troll, to now where you are asking good questions and giving good analysis. It's confusing to me, and I'd be very interested in your reasoning / thought-process.
This is a pretty useless post to be honest.
I'm far more interested in what his change of style makes you think about him...
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Not that I should be commenting about useless posts atm >.<
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@ Fidei
Sorry let me be clear.
I'm far more interested to hear what YOU make of ritoky's change in style, than to see you post that and wait for his response
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@Ticktock The issue I have is that, since this is my first game, I have no prior experience on which "tells" or types of behaviour are suspicious and which aren't. People earlier on in the thread seemed to just move past the change, but I think on any measure it has been pretty drastic. My read is that ritoky wanted to put himself out there straight away at the start and draw lots of attention to himself, on the basis that everyone would assume that the mafia wouldn't be so stupid so as to put themselves front and centre of the thread in a very memorable fashion. At best, I think it's quite a weak town play, because it created a lot of distraction at the start, which plays into mafia flying under the radar.
As to the change, it could be because he realised that if he kept going, people might want to vote him off anyway for being annoying / cluttering the thread (I think several people mentioned that they would 'policy' vote him), and that he can now transition into sounding like a good town, but having had all the suspicion sucked out of his play right at the start.
For me, that is very suspicious. I have read and liked a lot of the stuff he has posted subsequently, and has left me not knowing what to think, hence why I asked the question. Answers to 'difficult' questions can often be quite telling, and at worst all I've done is waste a little bit of forum space.
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@ticktock also, why do you think it was a useless post? Did I miss an earlier discussion on this point (which I accept is possible)? Do you not think his behaviour is at all suspicious?
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On June 04 2015 19:45 Fidei86 wrote:
@ticktock also, why do you think it was a useless post? Did I miss an earlier discussion on this point (which I accept is possible)? Do you not think his behaviour is at all suspicious?
No, I'm leaning town on ritoky. A transition from trolly posting to more serious discussion is exactly what I expect D1.
I like your response though. Even though I disagree that this shift in behavior is indicative of anything. Your thinking isn't bad there either, I like you questioning a noticeable shift in a players attitude.
I thought this post from ritoky felt like a decent tone shift given then surrounding conversation
On June 04 2015 12:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2015 12:19 Tictock wrote:On June 04 2015 12:09 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 11:37 Tictock wrote:On June 04 2015 11:06 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 10:58 Tictock wrote:Scott is looking better given his posts today. I'm holding him to this post in particular, but I don't want to lynch him today. On June 04 2015 04:47 scott31337 wrote:On June 04 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote:On June 04 2015 04:27 scott31337 wrote:On June 04 2015 04:16 ritoky wrote:
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do you have any scum reads? all i got from this was you think milo is town and kickstart is town. i will take more of any kind of reads, but more interested in your scum reads. GGTemplar and Chocolate would be at the top of my scum list. I could sheep Kickstart's case on GG, It brings up fairly good points. I was awaiting a response before I voted, and we got another whole day as well. When I played with you in that student thing I remember you asking a whole lot more questions as town. Why are you much less inquisitive this game? I have friends from out of state with me right now and they leave later today so I'm not spending a whole lot of time on the game at the moment. I'll pick it up later today/tomorrow, Onegu posts are pretty underwhelming this far... but his intro post and this one gave me a decent laugh. On June 04 2015 04:15 Onegu wrote:
So here we go.
In Thailand Milo is Chocolate powder. So that means Chocolate and Milo must be on the same team. Since chocolate is so tasty they must both be town.
I recall doing a similar "read" on 27nb last game D1. On May 22 2015 09:56 Tictock wrote:
See his whole case doesn't make sense.
First 27 is clearly a better number than 26. Ends in a prime, multiple of nine AND 3...
2nd the 27 is CLEARLY attached to ninja more than bunnies, yet BM is asserting that there is too little Ninja. When is there ever too little Ninja? I mean the very absence of Ninja IS Ninja....
I guess I have to admit that he's really pretty null thus far, but I like his tone. Idk just a gut thing I guess... ????????????????????????????? what the hell is that scott read?????????? and you're saying templar's reads are weak LOL. i think me and this guy are reading separate games. You know what ritoky. I'm starting to rethink you this game as well. So far you seem to like to shit on other peoples reads, but I don't see you giving any of your own. What are your reads atm? Who do you think is the best lynch for today? yeah you're not even reading the game. On June 04 2015 08:08 ritoky wrote:
well his nydus read makes no sense. but i can't tell whether that makes him scum making up a read or just some guy who generally posts what immediately comes to mind before considering it. regardless it makes me less prone to trust the reads he is giving regardless of his alignment.
i have my worries about nydus cuz he disagrees with me on everything and got some super easy town reads for minimal stuff. but maybe that's just cuz he keeps calling me mafia.
i have some worries about scott which may legit be irl stuff like he said, but he is less pro-active and inquisitive this game. seems to be more concerned with fitting in and not being lynched which is pretty meh. but lots of people don't like scott...in fact no1 does. which might make him town.
chocolate might be mafia cuz VE says so and cuz he wants to policy lynch inactives over someone he developed a scum read on and i don't understand why.
last is probably ticktock but i couldn't tell you why. that one post i pointed out and couldn't explain it...dunno, it really bugged me and i haven't gotten over it LOL. that's literally the answer to your question not even 3 pages ago. but hey, largest filter in the game, probably most reads given of anyone...0 reads given...you got it bro. Those were your reads? Those all look pretty null to me. You have a lot of "worries" about people, and are unsure of me because of something you dont even get yourself... Here, maybe you can understand my point if I try to speak your language... ![[image loading]](https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5133/13953783092_54352f67f8_o.jpg) i am going to stop responding to you now. i will start saying very rude things rather than do anything worth while. needless to say i have a very low value of your opinion at this point. you could very well be mafia, and at best a donkey town. my reads are good. you should start listening to them at some point.
His next post detailed out his thoughts a little better so I gave it a pass at first. Since you are bringing up shifts in play I recalled this small oddity. Also, this "donkey town" comment is a weird insult I've seen from a few people over several games. I take it to mean I'm being a stubborn ass?
I found your post useless because the question was so open ended. It looked very passive and more like an effort to look active without actually doing anything.
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I came out of hibernation to give a ride or die townread on scott. Good job buddy.
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Here's where I'm sitting currently:
Town:
ritoky
scott
Nydus
Kickstart
Fidei
Ticktock
Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason:
Damdred
Onegu
People I'd probably lynch in spite of them probably being spewed town:
sicklucker
People I'm looking at filters right now to decide if I think they are the lynch today instead of Chocolate:
GGTemplar
People I'd lynch remorselessly:
Chocolate
milo
People I'll worry about later:
Everyone else.
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Ahh, so the bandwagon begins
ritoky I don't why you're so interested in an early vote that obviously would eventually be changed
most votes in the beginning of the game are just to make people talk
if I do end up getting lynched I will post a final will and testament (if I have time)
for now I will vote VE in the official thread
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