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Onegu
United States9697 Posts
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
yeh sorry i wasn't going back to check my facts, you are correct you shouldnt lynch me because i am town... lynching me is against townies' win condition i wanted to see how long i could get away with doing nothing... but i figured i needed to come back in time to share my thoughts for the d1 lynch, cuz thats kinda important so here i am im not a good player, but once in a while i can help a little and if i have to afk again (idk why i would?) i'll be sure to let you know ^^ as for the shocky thing... i dont see his posts as suspicious. his 2nd real post gets into his association between palmar and gb, and then he keeps talking about gb because that's sensible (1. gb is talking to him/questioning him, 2. you generally talk about active players in the thread more cuz there is more info about them) so yeah i dont really think its suspicious @onegu, ya i see it, but compare to your posts from recent games? On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote: Big difference between " Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit...  " and this.....@everyone i think that onegu is the best lynch today ##vote onegu "lead me, follow me, or get out of my way" - General George Patton | ||
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Onegu
United States9697 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote: Qwerty! | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
For some reason I don't really feel like lynching Qwerty either. The person I think I really want to lynch is Obi.. but gah I just need to convince myself. I'll probably make a post on him and would love some thoughts on it. | ||
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
On May 19 2015 16:41 sciberbia wrote: how long do i gotta wait? cuz im sleepy and kinda just want to go to sleepI really don't want to lynch Onegu. Interesting to track all his opening posts, but I don't think he is scum based off that. For some reason I don't really feel like lynching Qwerty either. The person I think I really want to lynch is Obi.. but gah I just need to convince myself. I'll probably make a post on him and would love some thoughts on it. ive never rly had much success reading obi... ill check his filter tho | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 19 2015 16:44 Qwerty! wrote: how long do i gotta wait? cuz im sleepy and kinda just want to go to sleep ive never rly had much success reading obi... ill check his filter tho Give me 30 mintues? | ||
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
i'll see what i can do, no guarantees tho idk i guess i dont really mind obis filter so far, i think? yeah he's been lazy, but lazy isnt always scum (i cite myself as example) his early (apparently) joke scumread on damdred seems a bit off, but he isnt caring at all about what people say about him it seems | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Not that these are all hard town reads, but I don't want to lynch anyone in this list today: GlowingBear, Onegu, Stutters, Shining, Damdred, Oats, Zealos, Qwerty(?) This leaves: Vivax, Palmar, Shockey, Obiwan No doubt about it, Vivax and Palmar are being lurky, lazy, and making this game harder than it needs to be for us. I think I'm OK with lynching either of them today if they do not contribute more. They would be mostly policy lynches: I cannot pretend to see much in their filters that is scummy. Shockey is baffling. I think he could be mafia. I think he could be town. I'm not too sure. Obi could be town, but I've been suspicious of him for quite a while, and I have given him every chance to remedy his lurkiness, and with 12 hours to the deadline he seems content to not do anything. I wish I felt more confident, but I think he currently has the greatest chance of flipping scum. I will explain why shortly. | ||
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
On May 19 2015 16:55 sciberbia wrote: i would prefer to lynch palmar over vivax by a considerable bit... (vivax seems carefree and somewhat useful, while palmar completely vanishing after making an unexplained push on damdred feels off... town palmar will make unexplained pushes on people for days straight, but generally pops in once in a while to ask for his desired lynch, or just does nothing at all)OK here's where I'm at. Not that these are all hard town reads, but I don't want to lynch anyone in this list today: GlowingBear, Onegu, Stutters, Shining, Damdred, Oats, Zealos, Qwerty(?) This leaves: Vivax, Palmar, Shockey, Obiwan No doubt about it, Vivax and Palmar are being lurky, lazy, and making this game harder than it needs to be for us. I think I'm OK with lynching either of them today if they do not contribute more. They would be mostly policy lynches: I cannot pretend to see much in their filters that is scummy. Shockey is baffling. I think he could be mafia. I think he could be town. I'm not too sure. Obi could be town, but I've been suspicious of him for quite a while, and I have given him every chance to remedy his lurkiness, and with 12 hours to the deadline he seems content to not do anything. I wish I felt more confident, but I think he currently has the greatest chance of flipping scum. I will explain why shortly. i'm really interested in seeing what others think about an onegu lynch... | ||
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
1) His attitude toward Damdred in the middle of the day is extremely suspicious. First, I will give some background. + Show Spoiler [sheeping Palmar] + + Show Spoiler [calling Damdred mafia] + On May 18 2015 11:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred is confirmed mafia for thinking that I'm mafia. During the first eight hours of the game, Obi floated around in the thread without really doing anything. He sheeped Palmar's vote onto Damdred, and called Damdred mafia. + Show Spoiler [doesn't feel like doing anything] + On May 18 2015 12:45 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I felt like it. I don't really feel like doing anything until tomorrow so I'm gonna chill unless something catches my interest. + Show Spoiler [vote on Damdred was not serious] + He later explained his behavior by saying that he did not feel like doing anything on the first real-life day of the game, and that his vote on Damdred was basically just a joke with no real reasoning behind it. While this is not exactly model town play so far, I could overlook it. Townies can be lazy and troll too. But now Obi goes to sleep, wakes up, and comes back to the thread. We are now on page 16. The game is in full swing. It is time for Obi to start playing seriously. Let's see what Obi's first two posts are upon his return to the thread. + Show Spoiler [why not vote damdred] + + Show Spoiler [damdred 'plausibly' town] + On May 19 2015 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's plausible that Damdred could be town but I'm too preoccupied with important business to fix it until later tonight. I think these two posts might only be able to come from a mafia Obi. The context of the thread is very important to consider here. There is a ton of pressure on Damdred coming from every angle. In fact, here is the vote count at the time: damdred (4): palmar, obiwan, zealos, glowingbear shining (1): stutters zealos (1): sciberbia Damdred is being piled on. It looks like he might even be lynched. This seems far past the time when Obi should be joking about Damdred being mafia. It's time to get serious. If you truly have nothing against Damdred, why are you adding fuel to the fire? The first post I think has possible townie explanations. Maybe Obi just wanted to know why Stutters would not lynch Damdred. But the second post, where he calls damdred 'plausibly town' is imo very alarming. Stutters replied to Obi and explained why Damdred looks townie. Then Obi says it is plausible that Damdred could be town, but does not want to resolve the issue at present. The tone of this sentence implies Damdred is still a likely contender for mafia, but Obi could see how Damdred might be town. This is inconsistent with what Obi says later about him never really having anything against Damdred at all. It doesn't fit. I hope I'm explaining this well. It's like he stuck his vote on Damdred, a bunch of more votes piled on, and then he just awkwardly justifies leaving his vote on Damdred. WHY ARE YOU JUSTIFYING LEAVING YOUR VOTE ON DAMDRED? IT WAS A TROLL VOTE: THERE IS NOTHING TO JUSTIFY. This is by far the most concerning thing about Obi. 2) He is content to do nothing while there is no pressure on him Look at his next post. On May 19 2015 03:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really want Palmar to do something because I feel like we need a sense of direction, and Damdred's sense of direction involves killing everyone that scumreads him which isn't going to help us. Why don't YOU provide some sense of direction mate? At this point Obi is obviously not trolling anymore, but he's not doing anything else either. He has not given one serious scumread or townread, and he is complaining that Palmar is not giving a sense of direction? Rather hypocritical. He has not gotten any votes on him, and he has not come out of his lurking. Scum often lurk until you give them a reason not to, and Obi fits this profile. 3) He has no sense of urgency, does not seem to care about the lynch, and does not justify his vote at all I have been suspicious of Obi, but I wanted to give him the chance to redeem himself while there was no pressure on him. But let's see how he doesn't contribute to the lynch. I ask him about his actual scumreads and he replies with this: + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2015 13:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Eh. I think I'd prefer killing a lurky person at this point like Vivax or smthn. Vivax is the least prone to lurking/being unproductive when he's town and I feel like he'd be trying harder to make this work if he was. If he isn't still purposefully trying to sink his towngames just so his scumgame is better, that is. + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2015 13:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's nothing stopping me from putting both Shocky and Vivax on my scumlist, actually. I might roll with that instead. He says he is suspicious of Vivax and Shocky and leave it at that. It is just so lacking. Where is your vote? Where is you trying to convince other people? The lynch is 12 hours away! His play is completely reactionary and not proactive at all. He mostly only says things when people ask him stuff. For example, I go out of my way to prod him to vote. If I had not, I suspect his vote would still be on Damdred (who he supposedly does not even read as scum). He voted for ShoCkeyy in the voting thread in response to my prodding. Here is the full list of everything Obi has said about ShoCkeyy in this game: + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Btw it's really obvious that Shockeyy didn't really read Palmar's post. On May 19 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Shockey have you played elsewhere before? On May 19 2015 11:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: @Shockey: No lol, I haven't. I'll go look for it. On May 19 2015 12:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I couldn't the answer to the question I asked Shocky. On May 19 2015 13:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's nothing stopping me from putting both Shocky and Vivax on my scumlist, actually. I might roll with that instead. This is unacceptable for a townie. You cannot vote for someone and never mention what makes them scummy to you. This is hopping on the bandwaggon and providing no justification in the extreme. ##unvote ##vote: ObiWanShinobi | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 19 2015 14:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: iirc he totally has the capability to be lurky and useless as town. I dont remember which game, but he said that his favourite day is day 1. | ||
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Onegu
United States9697 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Can you please respond to this post: + Show Spoiler [me] + On May 19 2015 15:25 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler [Oats] + On May 19 2015 13:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar scum. Yup. [b]##vote Palmar[b] Also zealos is scum. Vivax maybe, useless posts. and 'risk''? why does that even mean man. meh, the only thing stopping me is assassination was similar in terms of activity. @Oats Why is Zealos scum? And what happened to me and damdred being scummy? P.S. please put your vote in the voting thread Also what do you think of Obi? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
Hmm, that means one of my scumreads is wrong. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 19 2015 17:57 Onegu wrote: OMFG Sciberia is reminding of BttB mafia. Chills... Well I'll just take that as a complement to my scum play I guess (I was scum in BttB). Thanks Onegu. Anyway, what do you think of what I wrote about Obi? On May 19 2015 18:02 Palmar wrote: Yeah sciberbia is mafia but we'll never lynch him cause his scumgame is a+ so it's fine. Might as well assume I'm town then and hope for the best  You're currently a vote-leader fyi. If we lynch you and you flip town I'm going to win extra hard in my next scum game, so please dazzle us with analysis. One-sentence reads are not going to convince anyone you are town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
GB is town for this: On May 18 2015 05:04 GlowingBear wrote: ##Vote: Damdred Mafia-ish opening. Does anyone know how to turn back to mobile mode? I turned website mode again, and AGAIN I can't find the reverse button. On May 18 2015 05:24 GlowingBear wrote: I'm saying that instead of coming to the thread and make a generic opening, you took the easiest step, which is commenting his opening without making anything from it. Like, what do you make of his opening? It's early aggression and it should absolutely buy him time for today. I don't want to lynch him. Shining is town because of this: On May 18 2015 05:57 The Shining wrote: Every game, someone dislikes my posting style. Congratulations, you're that person. I didn't think calling a non-vote a lie was THAT cryptic. MY BAD. And I said you were trying to draw conclusions with those questions, not that you had drawn conclusions. You delved really hard into a rather simple post. In the future, ask me what I mean if you'd like to know rather than wrongly interpret it. Or better yet, don't tell me how to play and I won't tell you how to play. Painting my cake statement as intentionally communicating poorly is an attempt to attack my credibility. This one post makes him my #1 townread. He looks like he's really annoyed at sciberbia and actually cares about his credibility. Vivax is mafia because of this: On May 18 2015 07:25 Vivax wrote: Well I read my role PM now so I'm sure I can post this: This is a question that looks like it's coming from scum Obi. On May 18 2015 07:30 Vivax wrote: I don't like what Palmar is doing, seems more like something mafia Palmar would do. On May 18 2015 07:31 Vivax wrote: Sort of wary of Onegu as well In 7 minutes he makes 4 scumleans just 3? pages into the game. And it's complete bullshit. Nothing in my filter or Onegu's filter is actually alignment indicative at that point, and the point on Obi is just as bad. On May 18 2015 07:40 Vivax wrote: Zealos is town, any objections? Followed by a really quick townread. Vivax isn't good enough to throw reads out like this. So I kinda think he can be mafia. | ||
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