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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 16:54 GMT
#1801
@ Bara
I didn't believe plots RB claim long before I thought you could be his scum partner.

I'm staying true to what I posted here.
On May 29 2015 18:58 Tictock wrote:
So Town has about 17hours left to reach a conclusion for today.

The most important thing for Town to keep in mind: Scum needs Town to Mislynch 3 times to Win

Right now there are votes on 3 people

Sulfurus
27ninjabunnies
plotspot

At this point I can't imagine anyone holding onto a case on somebody not in that list. So Town needs to really think and consider, which of these 3 players is most likely scum?

While some speculation on setup is fine, we should avoid trying to assume too much. We have a solid clue to the setup, one Scum RB, and one Mason have been flipped. Then we have 3 more blue roles for town being claimed today; 2nd Mason, Town RB, and Cop. Focus on these claims. The balance of the setup is a secondary concern here.

Leaving my own Opinion like this, because I think what I said above is so much more important than my opinion.
+ Show Spoiler +

Personally I am fine lynching either plotspot or 27nb today.

Plotspot is my top choice because everything he has done today has caused confusion and his logic in suggesting people matches with scum goals.

First I find his assertion that town has all 3 is odd. A setup like he suggests COULD be possible, but it doesn't really make sense when you break it down like Dis did here. Even considering this setup, it means that the cop checks are suspect due to the high likelyhood of GF on the mafia team. Yet plots reaches the same conclusion that Sul is scum regardless of the cop checks being possibly invalidated.

Plots reads on Bara are important to his claim as Town RB. We also only have his word, and his post-morteum scum read on Rels to backup his first claim as RB. Neither of these hold up his claim on RB in my opinion. Thus I can only conclude that this is a fake claim.

He is also consistently offering plans of action that involve 2 kills. He says,
If Sulfurus flips green feel free to lynch me next, because obviously then I haven't got the game solved and wasted all your time. Do we have a deal?
then he says
Looking at this do you still think I am Mafia RB? only possible if Barakos is GF.

He also only swaps to these tactics after his attempted, whatever the hell, on me fails and he can't push Sulf and I as a scum team.
This type of thinking lines up with scum goals, trying to get a mislynch any way he can.

27nb had a full day phase of pressure to answer the questions and concerns people had about her. She showed up about 8 Hours before EoD and offered up BM as a better target. She has since stayed reclusive and not weighed in, not voted yet today. Her vote D1 was not on the wagon that got us one Scum RB, D2 her vote was to save her own skin. Now it looks like D3 she wants to wait till EoD again.

27nb is also doing the same thing as plots, offering no real plan of action or very well reasoned vote. She seems to be happy just randomly lynching her lowest 4 town reads.
On May 28 2015 13:53 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People We are not lynching:
Ticktock
Bats
Barakos
MAybe SL?
Me

People we lynch
Everyone else.

GG Town wins


Regardless of if they are a team or not. Plots and 27nb are Easily my top 2 scum. We should at least lynch one of them today and re-evaluate tomorrow.

Sul just doesn't seem to care. I don't like it, he might be scum for it... but that was also the line of thought that lead to the BM lynch. I have better reasons to lynch either plots or 27nb today.

I could be wrong about plots, honestly his stuff is like way over the top and draws so much attention to it. If he is scum the whole thing is pretty Yolo swag and is based on the idea that town would never lynch someone claiming a blue role. To me the notion of him being Town RB doesn't make much sense, it doesn't sound like a balanced setup for town to have Masons, Cop, and RB. Plots claim also looks pretty flimsy when you start poking at it. I really tried to poke at the guy to get good reasoning why he would have RB'd Bara, at the time of this post he has only explained it here.

In the world where plots is town, I have no choice but to return my vote to 27nb. While I believe bats claim, if the setup is how plots claims then GF is def a possibility and the greencheck on bunnies is not confirmed.

I can take that responsibility.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2015 16:57 GMT
#1802
Tiktok have you been smoking the weed again? You can confirm plots alignment without lynching him. You don't need to risk killing one of the best town roles to prove your insane theory.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
May 29 2015 16:59 GMT
#1803
@Tictock please please please don't vote on Plots today. Obviously Batsnacks dies tonight but on the next night Mafia has to kill him since at this point he is a superior medic (he can prevent a KP regardless of who it is on and he confirms a mafia) so there is no point in doing mafia's job for them. This is what I was trying to say with my previous post so hopefully this gets through to you this time.

Right now my POE list is NinjaBunnies, Sicklucker, BoxerFred, and Disformation (no offense to the town on the list, I just think Barakos is townier) so we should lynch one of those names, preferably Bunnies.

And yes if a VT ever gets NK before a blue feel free to go ham on Plots.
plotspot
Profile Joined October 2014
800 Posts
May 29 2015 17:00 GMT
#1804
Guys this is a case about myself. With the best interest in town. It's like purely logical and technical, nothing about liking or disliking or guessing in it

Case 1: If you believe me. I am Town RB.

Case 2: If I lied. Then I am Mafia RB/Mafia Goon/GF together with Barokos as Godfather. Why? Because Barakos would have to lie about being roleblocked, because we RBed Breshke in case I am RB or we didn't RB Breshke because I am Goon/GF. The thing about Barakos is that he is surely GF if he is Mafia because he also received green-checks from Bats.

What happens if you don't vote for me?

Case 1: Extreme high chance of winning with me as RB and Bats as cop remaining.

Case 2: Sure fire victory after D4 and D5. If you find out there is a RB or not depending on whether I am RB or Goon or GF.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 29 2015 17:06 GMT
#1805
On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.

I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.

##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.


if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass...
pretty disappointed so far.
do you have anything else?
your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...


but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing...

tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p

also phone post. will be at home in 30min


Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know.

How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read.

I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.

I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 29 2015 17:08 GMT
#1806
Honestly town can do whatever it wants.

I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.

I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying.
I can take that responsibility.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
May 29 2015 17:11 GMT
#1807
Lol, I care. It's just been a long week. Haha, and I shouldn't have /in on two games. Keeping up with both is super tough.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
May 29 2015 17:20 GMT
#1808
@TicTock If your vote is still on Plots can you please switch it.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 29 2015 17:20 GMT
#1809
How likely is it to have only one mason in the setup? Tictok's tunneling way too hard IMHO. However I still think he's the second mason but I want to point out every possibility.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 17:21 GMT
#1810
On May 30 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote:
Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him.

Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town.

##unvote ##vote Disformation


kay. whatevs.
Have you at least read my answer to your question?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=86#1716

Also:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
May 29 2015 17:23 GMT
#1811
On May 30 2015 02:08 Tictock wrote:
Honestly town can do whatever it wants.

I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.

I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying.


So push SL or disinfo or barakos... Here's a good place to start: SL likes to drop off in activity once he's safe as mafia.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 17:24 GMT
#1812
SO lets see here im a little behind because I think we have auto
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 17:25 GMT
#1813
On May 30 2015 02:23 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 02:08 Tictock wrote:
Honestly town can do whatever it wants.

I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.

I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying.


So push SL or disinfo or barakos... Here's a good place to start: SL likes to drop off in activity once he's safe as mafia.


Which he clearly did D2, after most votes where off him. Also haven't seen him at all today...
He also didn't answer the question from my wall post.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 29 2015 17:25 GMT
#1814
"So push SL..."
*summoning of sicklucker succesful*
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#1815
On May 30 2015 02:06 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 00:12 disformation wrote:
On May 29 2015 22:55 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So I actually Wa,t to lynch Sulfurus.

I filter dived, and when I reached the surface I came back up with nothing. Sulf later play has lacked highly. The day 1 was ok, but not enough for a town read.

##Vote:Sulfurus
I'm posti,g from my,phone but I can't really quote anything atm.


if you are town you are making this game a lot harder. that is not very original and looks a lot like sheeping to save your ass...
pretty disappointed so far.
do you have anything else?
your play D1 was way better... getting the feeling you lost interest after scott flipped...


but yeah i dont think we can lynch plotspot today, without finding something amazing...

tunneltoc and waffleboy (thats me in case someone doesnt get it) best team :p

also phone post. will be at home in 30min


Lol, i dont care about the scott flip. Scott did nthing to help us find the other two mafia. We have no reads based on that except for voting and probably high bussing. Im going off of what i know.

How is that not original? I was reading Sulfurus town day 1. Many people have been calling me scummy for this, but i am reevaluating my read.

I gave what I have already. I said we dont lynch any of the claimed roles, and we dont lynch the greenchecks. The greencheck on the other person that was checked could very well be real, and i know the greencheck on me is real because i am town.




yes i do his filter confirmed me/bm and plots. Then you guys went and lynched bm
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 17:26 GMT
#1816
On May 30 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
How likely is it to have only one mason in the setup? Tictok's tunneling way too hard IMHO. However I still think he's the second mason but I want to point out every possibility.


breske would have let us no 0% chance theres only 1 mason
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#1817
On May 30 2015 02:21 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 01:48 boxerfred wrote:
On May 30 2015 01:35 batsnacks wrote:
Tiktok don't vote plot. Even if he is the mafia rb he has to do what we say now. We can just make him rb whoever we want and if he doesn't listen we can lynch him.

Good point. Next up on my list would be 27nb or dis. Still saying Sulf is probably town.

##unvote ##vote Disformation


kay. whatevs.
Have you at least read my answer to your question?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=86#1716

Also:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Yes. You still did not answer my question. I was not asking how you came down to that list, I was asking how you said "There is a godfather" and "bunnies is greenchecked and thus a confirmed townie". I can get point one. I can get point two. If you say both at the same time, you create a paradox.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
May 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#1818
On May 30 2015 02:26 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 02:20 boxerfred wrote:
How likely is it to have only one mason in the setup? Tictok's tunneling way too hard IMHO. However I still think he's the second mason but I want to point out every possibility.


breske would have let us no 0% chance theres only 1 mason

i don't get this answer. mind to explain?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 17:27 GMT
#1819
On May 30 2015 02:23 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2015 02:08 Tictock wrote:
Honestly town can do whatever it wants.

I'm not sheeping this weak as hell case on Sul. I'm more convinced 27nb just doesn't care at this point.

I could be way out in WIFOM land but at least I'm trying.


So push SL or disinfo or barakos... Here's a good place to start: SL likes to drop off in activity once he's safe as mafia.


this is true. BUt I also do it when my two scum reads that are out of my poe list are the people with votes ;p

(bunnies sulf)
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 29 2015 17:30 GMT
#1820
Poe list if bats is cop

Me
Bats
Tictock
plots?
barakos?

We need 5. putting both plots and barkos in the same list might be risky because there never less likely the same alignment because one roleblocked the other
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