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Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal.
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On April 28 2015 05:20 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 05:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Please let me know what you find because the discussion leading up to the lynch today is pretty abysmal. I will do so. Are you going to stick around until the lynch? Because it would be great to have someone to discuss things with, I haven't really interacted with people for a while in this game.
I'm probably mostly going to be around.
On April 28 2015 05:22 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, help me out?
How does one going about catching you, if you are mafia?
I could give you a list of things but it'd all be self-meta and/or be considered WIFOM so I'm afraid you'd have to do the work yourself.
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On April 28 2015 05:50 Trfel wrote:Do you think there is anything to the inconsistency between WaveofShadow's claim that he never uses meta and that he actually uses meta a noticeable amount? And how he uses meta for some ( for example, Palmar), but refuses to use meta for others? Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
And there's still yamato who's done mostly shit all but be belligerent with me lately. (I'd call him town because his current not caring about the game currently is extremely town yamato but meta so fuck that)
I don't think these kinds of inconsistencies are alignment indicative.
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I kind of favour waiting another day as well with both Wave and a large number of other players basically being afk for the whole of today. I also want to make sure wave replies rather than getting lynched whilst afk. On that note:
##Unvote
Trfel, can you talk to me about people other than Wave too? It's neat that you don't want to lynch me but I'm curious as to the why. You asked me how to find out if I were scum. Did you do any research on your own after that?
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Why aren't you checking into wave right now Rso?
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On April 28 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why aren't you checking into wave right now Rso? other game + not lynching him today if we're lynching him anyway + cba atm
That actually encapsulates my feelings on Breshke quite well.
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On April 28 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote:
we have to consolidate.
Honestly, i'm kind of feeling like Art has been towny this day to a certain extent
Please be more specific dear.
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On April 28 2015 07:22 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 07:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 28 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote:On April 28 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why aren't you checking into wave right now Rso? other game + not lynching him today if we're lynching him anyway + cba atm That actually encapsulates my feelings on Breshke quite well. um what does this have to do with breshke? breshke has had ample time to amp up his play, address my read on him the wave push just started while he was gone bad artie -_- like i don't really expect a lynch at this point with all the laziness in the thread but they're clearly different situations
The Wave push has been ongoing since the start of the game.
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On April 28 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:
o.0
um no it hasn't?
Did you miss that Palmar has pushed him since the start?
On April 28 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote:
Artanis is mafia too, but that doesn't change the fact Wave is.
That is factually incorrect. I can prove it with my role PM.
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On April 28 2015 07:34 rsoultin wrote:
lol
>> he hasn't been a realistic lynch until today
that you definitely can't argue
but i guess breshke hasn't either, technically, cause no one wants to lynch him with me -_-
That is pretty much my point.
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Searching my posts for Breshke Tone netted me this from an absolutely amazing player:
On March 27 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:That's fair. I just find the difference in tone between his mafia and town games very stark. I'll bring up a few examples. Here's Breshke as scum: + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 06:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:02 IAmRobik wrote:Palmar, was she being honest whens he said she didn't like her role and you think she did that as mafia? + Show Spoiler +I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons. Well, you're now lynch target #1. Your time to shine bro, find a new #1. I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game. I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out. On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:
Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town. Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. On December 17 2014 06:36 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:
Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town.
Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. The bolded is at best stupid. Why First of all calling it fakeclaiming VT is a little weird for me. Theoretically every player in this game should be claiming VT. I also don't get "that early". Why do you think he wouldn't claim VT as mafia? At what point in time do you think he does? I said if scum ls fakeclaims VT did you read the entire sentence? In the theoretical world of LS being scum him claiming VT would indeed be a fakeclaim. I don't think he claims VT this early because it shuts down a lot of his options for the rest of the game in terms of role claiming. I think as mafia he claims VT D1 when votes are piling against him and closer to EoD. He had 0 votes on him and it has been what under 3 hours since the game started. as mafia i think he would try talk his way out first. On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:12 sicklucker wrote:
Well if anyone should get semi lynched on the basis that there useless its kush. Ive played with him four times and hes been utterly useless in everygame for whatever team hes on. People keep saying that he sometimes trys as town but I just dont see it. Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? On January 07 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 11:42 liancourt wrote:
Wheres the voting thread cos i found scum What happend to the game being hard? still havnt explained why the game would be hard. (I find this one interesting because I feel like it shows Breshke putting attention to things that aren't really important which gives your point some credence) On January 08 2015 07:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
oh and Ls admitted he claimed day 1 in EVERYGAME which ddefends me and makes me obvious town to anyone with a brain can you stop with this shit loo at the context of some of his claims. Of course he is going to claim cop when he gets lynched and that carol game hardly counts either because wasn't his role useless or something? He also didn't claim in his mafia game so stop saying every game like you are trying to justify your scummy actions. Now what is your read on LS. Are you now saying you arn't null on him? If you are explain how it went from scum to null. On January 08 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote:On January 08 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote:On January 08 2015 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:On January 07 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote:Being fully caught up why do you direct questions to three other people yet not me who you think is scum Also lian did answer eventually On January 07 2015 12:25 liancourt wrote:On January 07 2015 12:20 Breshke wrote:
It was a bit less active at the start than i am used to but i have no reason to think this game will be harder than any other nor did i say it would be. Thats why im interested in why you think it will be harder? More or less what u think And the fact that there is no clear vet to lead town this game. More defensive players than aggresive players Not sure what was gotten out of delaying the answer so long and getting me to answer first though. Oh, no. I noticed his answer, and I wholeheartedly agree that him answering was a complete delay. Also, I was gonna follow up with a question on him on why he cared what you think, and why the information on how the game will be harder is even relevant in terms of finding scum. I'm also disappointed in the fact that I was gone for 9 hours, and we only have one page of posts since. Now Breshke. What is your view on Lian? Do you agree with some of the cases that have been thrown around? Meh, most of the cases on Lian are that he is acting differently to how he normally does and i have no idea if this is true or what it means because im too lazy to read past games. I don't understand why he is purposly acting like a dick because if he is town i don't think that's the way to go about getting people to listen to you but being a dick doesn't equal mafia. I do think he is town though because even though his case is shit on LS he seems to actually want people to comment on it and that feels town motivated to me. I am intrested to see what happens when he comes back to the thread though. So i also think bunnies is town because the questions she has been asking while may not be like scum hunting are obviously there to get conversation flowing which is obviously something this game needs so im happy to call her town for now. I was also liking Eden because he seemed to be on the same thought process as me about sicklucker but has seemingly flipped now for reasons that i feel are really weak. Also sicklucker could you explain how you went from scum to null on LS (I've included your posts and the only one he made in between in the spoiler tag.+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2015 01:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I town reading Oats and Lian since Oats seemed much more like himself from Student Mafia IV and Lian posts being genuine about his stuff on me. I finding that sicklucker early town read kind of questionable because I not done anything townie yet he giving me a very early town read. Unless he's basing off of meta he should have no reason to town read me this early. I dont read you town man. Infact im scum reading you now for ignoring my qeustion On January 08 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:25 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 10:41 Breshke wrote:On January 07 2015 10:21 sicklucker wrote:
I see a big leak in his town game. I roll town its a good time to fix that and increase my chances of winning If I roll scum I dont want him to know.
Its not tmi your over thinking it. There is like probably 11/14 chance hes town. Thats really good odds
He claimed his role in everyone of his 4 or 5 games. Its a very bad thing to do im trying to lead town to victory!
So lets go to bed and get fresh heads and not graph at straws. Goodnight You can go to bed its fine don't feel like you need to stay here and interact theres plenty of time left but i have more to say. On January 07 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 07:01 sicklucker wrote:
You always out your role on game one, like in literally everygame. So please keep that to a mini Lmum its not good for town I only soft claimed on Carol on Day 1 then Day 2 I hard claimed. First game you claimed cop day1 second game you were mafia third game you claimed a role on day 1. You were like barely a role fourth game you claimed vt on day 1 (metal) fifth game ......... your 6th game please dont do it thanks. Coaching towns to victorys Here you clearly say he doesn't claim in his second game and his claim in his first was completely justified because he was getting and still got lynched. So he hasn't claimed his role in every one of his games. To me it looks like you tried to enter the thread by looking helpful with a warning to LS about something he most likely knows already. At not one point have you tried to work out alignments except saying ls has a 11/14 chance of being town . Even when i call you out you just call me terrible, am i terrible town or terrible mafia? Hey Ls I know you dont know this so can you verify this is new information to you? Also the one game he didnt claim day 1 he was mafia. He claimed in 4/4 games as town on day 1. So ya I have good reasons to ask him not too. Yes game 1 was not his fault but it was 4/4 The only time I didn't claimed yes was I was scum but it because we killed both power roles in the first 36 hours of the game. Game 1 it was sort for telling them it was Detective not Cop but it was because I got the role pm saying it was Detective and I was getting lynched and had to claim. Yes I claimed 4/4 I soft claimed at Carol on Day 1 but my role wouldn't matter though as kush claimed Scrooge Day 1 and made me useless even if I wasn't roleblocked -_-. On January 08 2015 01:49 sicklucker wrote:
Ok thats a good answer by Ls. back to null. Everyone thinking I townread ls is funny. All I did was coach him to not do a mistake he just admitted to doing in EVERYONE of his town games.
I dont know wtf he is but since im town I dont want him screwing up this one too if hes town. He went a reread stuff and gave his usual cute defend everyone answer. But he did defend a confirmed mafia so your right it might be a bad read You flipflop in this post. How was he defending everyone? In the only post between your two posts where you change your read he only defends himself. Also how would you know if he reread stuff or not? On January 08 2015 09:39 Breshke wrote:
Saying i have a scumread for the sole reason someone ignored one of your posts and then ignoring one of mine is so convincing keep going you are doing great looking town!
On January 09 2015 05:04 Breshke wrote:
Im unvoting sicklucker.
I also think the HTS and VA wagons are both bad Breshke as Town: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy On January 18 2015 15:30 Breshke wrote:So not sure how I missed it but GB has given scum reads + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. xP Lol, sure. Cause it wasn't at all straight up mimicking him or anything to make a point.  GB, how much do I really need to do to look contributive? You may want to finish reading the thread before you start making judgments. Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them. This makes you contributive. AAAAAND I'm done catching up. Trfel is definetely town DP may be town Rasputin may be town LS may be scum Cool TL name may be scum jar jar may be scum Damdred you'll have to puke green this game. On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive. Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads. So GB is leaning scum for now On January 20 2015 13:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:08 geript wrote:
@Breshke. I want you to do vote analysis Pre-switch, pre claim. I'm actually interested in what you think there. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Currently, GlowingBear is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. I assume this is the vote you mean geript So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched. This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed. On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
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LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently Also something I'm noting whilst going through this game is that Breshke interacts a LOT with his townreads and barely with his scumreads as town. On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. On January 25 2015 17:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 11:50 geript wrote:
It's really odd the Breshke isn't flipping the fuck out our anything. Like he was literally 1 vote off of getting lynched. It's like business as usual. That's really funky. Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched. I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down. For DP + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote:
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead. Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed. Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it. On January 27 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:
Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him.
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote:On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.
Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.
Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.
I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin. Eh, messy. Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions. GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time. If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it >< Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then? This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum? It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town. I also scrolled through Horn of Africa and Breshke was much the same in it though I haven't copied any posts from it. Breshke acted much the same except his posts were much shorter. What I got out of this is that as scum, Breshke is a lot more certain on what he thinks. He calls people scum without hesitation, and his tone is also a lot harsher, calling other people useless, and in general being a lot more aggressive. As town he's more subdued, interacts a lot with his townreads and tries to figure the game out that way, but is never certain of being right. He also spends a decent amount of time trying to figure the game out through different kinds of means in Horn of Africa, wondering why he didn't get RBed, why people haven't considered certain things, etc. As mafia, his questions seem to have a clear direction in that he either forces the attention away from himself or that they give a solid opinion on himself. As town, they seem to be more searching for answers. I still need to look through his filter again with these insights. Last time I did I thought it made him look town though.
It's possible that he's made massive alterations to his scumgame in terms of tone due to this very post, but ehhh. I'm more convinced on Wave.
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On April 28 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Searching my posts for Breshke Tone netted me this from an absolutely amazing player: On March 27 2015 22:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:That's fair. I just find the difference in tone between his mafia and town games very stark. I'll bring up a few examples. Here's Breshke as scum: + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2014 06:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:08 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote:On December 17 2014 06:05 LightningStrike wrote:On December 17 2014 06:02 IAmRobik wrote:Palmar, was she being honest whens he said she didn't like her role and you think she did that as mafia? + Show Spoiler +I typed he and then went back and changed all of them to she, because I refuse to believe that a mom takes a son of age 20 to get a haircut My mom wont let go of me I'm sorry for that and Palmer I really hate my role but I am town and I will do anything to win this game except let myself get lynched for dumb reasons. Well, you're now lynch target #1. Your time to shine bro, find a new #1. I headbanging right now and currently I waiting for sicklucker's first action today to determine his alignment this game. I don't like this its like you saaw Robik cleared coag for reffering to headbanging and you are trying to jump on some town cred What about people who have already posted do you think any of them are scummy? I think SL is someone easy to scum read and think this is a cop out. On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:
Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town. Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. On December 17 2014 06:36 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 06:32 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:On December 17 2014 06:26 Breshke wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:On December 17 2014 06:12 IAmRobik wrote:
Also don't like the fact that Breshke just asks 1,000 questions without contributing anything. Also, his posts are very non-commital. "i don't like..." vs "LS is mafia because...." Because LS as either alignment plays very scared and seems to always be on the defensive and not giving reads. I'll be very surprised if scum LS fakeclaims VT that early though so i actually think he is town.
Also its like 7:30 am here I shouldn't even be awake. The bolded is at best stupid. Why First of all calling it fakeclaiming VT is a little weird for me. Theoretically every player in this game should be claiming VT. I also don't get "that early". Why do you think he wouldn't claim VT as mafia? At what point in time do you think he does? I said if scum ls fakeclaims VT did you read the entire sentence? In the theoretical world of LS being scum him claiming VT would indeed be a fakeclaim. I don't think he claims VT this early because it shuts down a lot of his options for the rest of the game in terms of role claiming. I think as mafia he claims VT D1 when votes are piling against him and closer to EoD. He had 0 votes on him and it has been what under 3 hours since the game started. as mafia i think he would try talk his way out first. On December 17 2014 12:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2014 12:12 sicklucker wrote:
Well if anyone should get semi lynched on the basis that there useless its kush. Ive played with him four times and hes been utterly useless in everygame for whatever team hes on. People keep saying that he sometimes trys as town but I just dont see it. Do you think kush is useless town or useless mafia? Do you think you should be lynching people that are scummy or that are useless? On January 07 2015 12:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 11:42 liancourt wrote:
Wheres the voting thread cos i found scum What happend to the game being hard? still havnt explained why the game would be hard. (I find this one interesting because I feel like it shows Breshke putting attention to things that aren't really important which gives your point some credence) On January 08 2015 07:10 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:07 sicklucker wrote:
oh and Ls admitted he claimed day 1 in EVERYGAME which ddefends me and makes me obvious town to anyone with a brain can you stop with this shit loo at the context of some of his claims. Of course he is going to claim cop when he gets lynched and that carol game hardly counts either because wasn't his role useless or something? He also didn't claim in his mafia game so stop saying every game like you are trying to justify your scummy actions. Now what is your read on LS. Are you now saying you arn't null on him? If you are explain how it went from scum to null. On January 08 2015 07:14 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 07:05 sicklucker wrote:On January 08 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote:On January 08 2015 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:On January 07 2015 14:21 Breshke wrote:Being fully caught up why do you direct questions to three other people yet not me who you think is scum Also lian did answer eventually On January 07 2015 12:25 liancourt wrote:On January 07 2015 12:20 Breshke wrote:
It was a bit less active at the start than i am used to but i have no reason to think this game will be harder than any other nor did i say it would be. Thats why im interested in why you think it will be harder? More or less what u think And the fact that there is no clear vet to lead town this game. More defensive players than aggresive players Not sure what was gotten out of delaying the answer so long and getting me to answer first though. Oh, no. I noticed his answer, and I wholeheartedly agree that him answering was a complete delay. Also, I was gonna follow up with a question on him on why he cared what you think, and why the information on how the game will be harder is even relevant in terms of finding scum. I'm also disappointed in the fact that I was gone for 9 hours, and we only have one page of posts since. Now Breshke. What is your view on Lian? Do you agree with some of the cases that have been thrown around? Meh, most of the cases on Lian are that he is acting differently to how he normally does and i have no idea if this is true or what it means because im too lazy to read past games. I don't understand why he is purposly acting like a dick because if he is town i don't think that's the way to go about getting people to listen to you but being a dick doesn't equal mafia. I do think he is town though because even though his case is shit on LS he seems to actually want people to comment on it and that feels town motivated to me. I am intrested to see what happens when he comes back to the thread though. So i also think bunnies is town because the questions she has been asking while may not be like scum hunting are obviously there to get conversation flowing which is obviously something this game needs so im happy to call her town for now. I was also liking Eden because he seemed to be on the same thought process as me about sicklucker but has seemingly flipped now for reasons that i feel are really weak. Also sicklucker could you explain how you went from scum to null on LS (I've included your posts and the only one he made in between in the spoiler tag.+ Show Spoiler +On January 08 2015 01:41 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2015 01:35 LightningStrike wrote:
For now I town reading Oats and Lian since Oats seemed much more like himself from Student Mafia IV and Lian posts being genuine about his stuff on me. I finding that sicklucker early town read kind of questionable because I not done anything townie yet he giving me a very early town read. Unless he's basing off of meta he should have no reason to town read me this early. I dont read you town man. Infact im scum reading you now for ignoring my qeustion On January 08 2015 01:45 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2015 23:25 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 10:41 Breshke wrote:On January 07 2015 10:21 sicklucker wrote:
I see a big leak in his town game. I roll town its a good time to fix that and increase my chances of winning If I roll scum I dont want him to know.
Its not tmi your over thinking it. There is like probably 11/14 chance hes town. Thats really good odds
He claimed his role in everyone of his 4 or 5 games. Its a very bad thing to do im trying to lead town to victory!
So lets go to bed and get fresh heads and not graph at straws. Goodnight You can go to bed its fine don't feel like you need to stay here and interact theres plenty of time left but i have more to say. On January 07 2015 07:09 sicklucker wrote:On January 07 2015 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:On January 07 2015 07:01 sicklucker wrote:
You always out your role on game one, like in literally everygame. So please keep that to a mini Lmum its not good for town I only soft claimed on Carol on Day 1 then Day 2 I hard claimed. First game you claimed cop day1 second game you were mafia third game you claimed a role on day 1. You were like barely a role fourth game you claimed vt on day 1 (metal) fifth game ......... your 6th game please dont do it thanks. Coaching towns to victorys Here you clearly say he doesn't claim in his second game and his claim in his first was completely justified because he was getting and still got lynched. So he hasn't claimed his role in every one of his games. To me it looks like you tried to enter the thread by looking helpful with a warning to LS about something he most likely knows already. At not one point have you tried to work out alignments except saying ls has a 11/14 chance of being town . Even when i call you out you just call me terrible, am i terrible town or terrible mafia? Hey Ls I know you dont know this so can you verify this is new information to you? Also the one game he didnt claim day 1 he was mafia. He claimed in 4/4 games as town on day 1. So ya I have good reasons to ask him not too. Yes game 1 was not his fault but it was 4/4 The only time I didn't claimed yes was I was scum but it because we killed both power roles in the first 36 hours of the game. Game 1 it was sort for telling them it was Detective not Cop but it was because I got the role pm saying it was Detective and I was getting lynched and had to claim. Yes I claimed 4/4 I soft claimed at Carol on Day 1 but my role wouldn't matter though as kush claimed Scrooge Day 1 and made me useless even if I wasn't roleblocked -_-. On January 08 2015 01:49 sicklucker wrote:
Ok thats a good answer by Ls. back to null. Everyone thinking I townread ls is funny. All I did was coach him to not do a mistake he just admitted to doing in EVERYONE of his town games.
I dont know wtf he is but since im town I dont want him screwing up this one too if hes town. He went a reread stuff and gave his usual cute defend everyone answer. But he did defend a confirmed mafia so your right it might be a bad read You flipflop in this post. How was he defending everyone? In the only post between your two posts where you change your read he only defends himself. Also how would you know if he reread stuff or not? On January 08 2015 09:39 Breshke wrote:
Saying i have a scumread for the sole reason someone ignored one of your posts and then ignoring one of mine is so convincing keep going you are doing great looking town!
On January 09 2015 05:04 Breshke wrote:
Im unvoting sicklucker.
I also think the HTS and VA wagons are both bad Breshke as Town: + Show Spoiler +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy On January 18 2015 15:30 Breshke wrote:So not sure how I missed it but GB has given scum reads + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 13:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:46 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 13:43 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.) This is bullshit. You never tell someone you're doing a pressure vote because you reveal you're doing it just for pressure. You're just trying to push him to look contributive. xP Lol, sure. Cause it wasn't at all straight up mimicking him or anything to make a point. GB, how much do I really need to do to look contributive? You may want to finish reading the thread before you start making judgments. Just not telling people you're pressuring that you're pressuring them. This makes you contributive. AAAAAND I'm done catching up. Trfel is definetely town DP may be town Rasputin may be town LS may be scum Cool TL name may be scum jar jar may be scum Damdred you'll have to puke green this game. On January 17 2015 22:27 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..) Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I understand the thing abou jar jar, but his opening is very bad and it fits more of a scum perspective because: (1) If there is an ongoing discussion, opening the game saying that he is excited without giving any thoughts is extremely contradictory and it doesn't fit town perspective. If he is excited, he saw something different. If he saw something different, he will probably comment it. This means his excitement is a forced emotion. (2) An opening post suggesting a no lynch is something comety disconnected. A no lynch discussion helps no one but mafia. A no lynch is only helpful to town in specific situations and that's definetely not day1. And, if the game is exciting, a no lynch isn't the correct conclusion? Anyway, he just ignores the ongoing discussion to throw a bad idea into the thread. Regarding LS, the question doesn't takes him anywhere. If he doesn't know what BS is, asking "what is this" is more appropriate. The way he phrases it ("I've never seen you using this term before") sounds like there is a meta behind it when actually there isn't. This sounds, on a vacuum, that he is trying to look like a townie pursuing information asking questions that are information-less. Now, it is proven that I have a good grasp on damdreds play. He won against me as scum last game. He will not be sparred. The thing is GB hasn't pushed these reads at all nor has he even tried to interact with his two scumreads (jarjar and LS). Instead he talks about how he will push lurkers and what not which yeah is good in a filler kind of way but not actually constructive. Especially when you look at his LS scumread who many people are actually townreading. He isn't trying to pressure or question LS to see if he is wrong or to try get more information to convince others with. He just seems happy to have scum reads. So GB is leaning scum for now On January 20 2015 13:26 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:08 geript wrote:
@Breshke. I want you to do vote analysis Pre-switch, pre claim. I'm actually interested in what you think there. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 06:47 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count
Damdred (2): rsoultin, LightningStrike
jarjarbinks (4): Breshke, Damdred, GlowingBear, LoneMeow
GlowingBear (6): geript, TheWarWaffle, DarthPunk, jarjarbinks, The Shining, Trfel
Currently, GlowingBear is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. I assume this is the vote you mean geript So the two leading wagons are (pending CC on JarJar or a doc claim) both town. I think when it is town v town mafia is more likely to spread their votes out because they don't care who gets lynched. This is one of the reasons I want to lynch LM next because i think there is at least one scum not on the GB wagon here. If this was a final vote count rsoultin would probably look fairly bad but it isnt so i cant really look at this the same way since reads still had time to be pushed. On January 20 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2015 13:14 rsoultin wrote:On January 20 2015 13:07 Breshke wrote:On January 20 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 18 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Damdred i had a look at jarjars filter and am probably agreeing with you. On January 17 2015 18:32 jarjarbinks wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
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LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) This is behavior that doesn't surprise me. I'm using this quote because I feel like it best justifies my argument for why I think he's town. Last game (this is a meta read), LS did things like this and got decimated for it. Almost got killed D1. Got killed D2. I would hope this doesn't happen again. On the argument that LS is acting more "ballsy" and that "ballsy=mafia" I would counter with that LS is learning the game and is more confident. Plus, I felt he was kind of right in sticking up for himself in saying that trfel had playing 3 games and that was less "newby" than people were giving him credit for. IF I had to pick someone to be "the towniest of the town", I would pick LS. He has generated discussion. He is acting similiarly to last game where he was town. Only way to lynch this guy D1 would be to policy lynch him for lack of experience. This read is almost baseless. Amid all the fluff the two reasons for the town read are that he generated discussion and meta. As to the generated discussion part i would say many players have done this. The first two that come to mind are Trfel and GB with both of their openings. However in the spoiler below you can see that Jarjar doesn't think that them making waves with their opening is alignment indicative but thinks the fact that LS has generated discussion is townie. The thought process here doesn't seem to line up. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 18:48 jarjarbinks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 15:35 Trfel wrote:GlowingBear, I'm assuming that you typed those posts over the course of reading the game? So the first things you said were not influenced on the later things? The rest of this post will be using that assumption. You read jarjarbinks D1 from the previous game (Newbie Mafia). You know that his play was miserable on D1 there as well, and he was town (his play was considerably better after D1). Someone is going to have to teach him how to play D1 (looking at you rsoultin), but I don't think I can see myself lynching him for inactivity, even if he provided a terrible excuse for it. On January 17 2015 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:On January 17 2015 10:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I don't think there is a voting thread for this game fyi guys. Also what is the BS Meter? I never heard you use this term before can you explain it please? OMG THIS IS HORRIBLE What is so horrible about this post? I mean, it is surprising that LightningStrike didn't know what rsoultin meant by BS meter, but I don't understand why that makes it a horrible post. Are you saying that LightningStrike is scum because of this, or just that the post is bad? I also noticed that you said that one of my posts was bad, and then one of my paragraphs was bad and full of fluff. Then you townread me. What is the reasoning behind this read? That I attempted to follow your advice for promoting discussion? (for the record, I fully realize that your entrance post is intended to do the exact same thing, and I tried to make a point of it, but no one else responded, so..)Also, why the emphasis on Damdred? + Show Spoiler [For GlowingBear] +For obvious reasons we can't discuss the effectiveness of my attempts to promote discussion now, but hopefully you can help me with this after the game? I bolded the part (I hope lol) of this quote that I thought summed up my thoughts on Trfel and GlowingBear. Trfel's vote and GlowingBears equally "interesting" opening is probably due to the strategy GlowingBear helped give Trfel. GlowingBear's explanation of Trfel's Vote makes this WIFOM in my eyes. They both started the way they did to make waves and nothing more. Not alignment indicative in my eyes. That being said, I'm more suspicious of GlowingBear over Trfel because of his playing experience. A counterargument to this for Trfel is his "stubbornness" on the bottom of page 8. Strange play if you were just trying to "make waves". He could just feel a necessity to defend himself, but I felt the arguments against his vote were relatively weak at the time. Saying what I said above about GlowingBear, I feel like he might want to try doing something else besides claiming VT at the beginning if that was the "making waves" play that shows balls. Us newbs killed LS for just that last game and we (mostly me) are slow learners. Also secondly on his meta point he has played one game as town and has never seen him as mafia so that isn't really justified either. Hence i think his LS read is fairly scummy So this post here, Breshke. I remember this catching my attention but then I forgot. The meta read obviously doesn't hold that much weight, though I'd think you'd have a read on LS cause you've played with him more. My question is...do you put LS' play early game in the same category as GB's and Trfel's? This almost seems like a problem with semantics, from my pov. Um im not exactly sure what you mean but i think the answer is no. GB and trefel both purposely set out to create discussion with opening posts that people would find weird and what not. Whereas LS created discussion by just being LS. The point was both sides were still creating discussion but he seemed to only be townreading LS for it. LS was also his only town read at the time and he seemed fairly certain and i couldnt understand why because as i found both his reasons lacking. I wouldn't say i have a meta read on LS i havn't played nearly enough games with him or anyone to have any meta reads. I agree that LS can easily be misread as scum when he is town but I also think that works a lot for him when he is mafia because people who have played with him before seem more inclined to town read him like I even found myself doing it this game. You may be right. I thought he was pretty obvious scum in his scum game, personally...spent all day arguing it lol. But you may be right. I know that I get the feeling sometimes in these games with vets that newbies get picked on, because a lot of them have trouble appearing town. Like, I expect mafia to capitalize on that. (I realize I'm a newbie, too, but reads are my problem way more than getting townread, generally.) All I'm saying is that generating discussion by posting something what is the word? Contradictory is wrong. Controversial. Posting something controversial vice pressuring and asking questions seem different enough to me to not require someone to read them the same way. That's why this post got my attention. Do you disagree? No you are right they are different. What LS was doing was actually pushing the game forward to scumhunt. So yeah you are right about me just arguing semantics I guess i just never really thought of it out of the context of creating discussion vs creating discussion. Here is where i say i still don't understand how he was reading LS as his one and only town because i still think his reasons were weak because I think LS could easily ask questions as scum. That being said the read as right and LS is town the same as Jarjar so it could easily be me who has to think about stuff differently Also something I'm noting whilst going through this game is that Breshke interacts a LOT with his townreads and barely with his scumreads as town. On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote:
A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid.
I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript.
I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. On January 25 2015 17:29 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 11:50 geript wrote:
It's really odd the Breshke isn't flipping the fuck out our anything. Like he was literally 1 vote off of getting lynched. It's like business as usual. That's really funky. Is this alignment indicative at all? It isn't if i was scum i would react the same way as town because as both alignments i wouldn't want to get lynched. I didn't freak or rage at anyone because how could I? I as afk for like the last 16 hours of that day I knew shit was going to go down. For DP + Show Spoiler +On January 19 2015 05:23 Breshke wrote:
GB if damdred wadsnt an option who would you go for? This is my first post after waking up it is at 6:53 am my time deadline is at 8:30 am. My dad is a tradie and has recently left his buisness to go and work on his own so i have been helping him out every couple days. I wake up at 6 when i go to work with him and get ready to leave the house around 7. After this it involves a ton of driving during which i was phone posting in the thread. I have a Samsung galaxy S2 which is a fairly old phone ive had it for a number of years now and it does this weird thing where it randomly heats up using all the battery and killing the phone. So after an hour of trying to keep up with the thread my phone starts fucking up so i turn it off to try cool the battery and it doesn't turn back on hence battery is dead. Also we arn't lynching anyone tomorrow because i assume JJB dies tonight and then mafia needs to kill someone who is not confirmed. Also damdred i think both of your scum from your PoE are wrong. I know my filter is crap this game but seriously look at RSo's how can you think she is scum can you explain it without PoE? Honestly i feel the reasons you cleared DP and geript to be fairly weak and don't see how you are ignoring everything else that has happened in the game because of it. On January 27 2015 14:46 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 12:55 Breshke wrote:On January 27 2015 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:On January 27 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote:
DP why do you not see a scum team with me not in it? Cause: Geript is town and Damdred looks townie whenever he tries. Day one and Last lynch. I think the Vote yesterday was scum/town due to weird lynch inertia and the vote being so closely contested. You conveniently afk'd from two lynches and were there just before the lynch of LM before disappearing again as noted by geript. Rso - Shining whilst possible doesn't make as much sense due to the way Rso refused to swap her vote to you yesterday which, if she is scum and you are town is a completely arbitary decision. ALSO Your play changed weirdly at mylo. I wasn't around for like over 12 hours before the LM lynch i don't know if you are flat out lieing or are just mistaken you might want to go look. Explain the weird inertia? How would that lynch have been different if it was town/town? Also how is my play different? Stop calling me scum for things and not explaining them Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 13:00 Breshke wrote:
Also why do you think damdred has only been tring D1 and around the LM lynch? The time when he has not been trying correlates with LS getting a red check which very well could have demotivated him.
Also @damdred im really suprised you don;t even consider no lynching. Show nested quote +On January 19 2015 12:01 Damdred wrote:On January 19 2015 11:58 rsoultin wrote:On January 19 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote:
I have to cover all of my basis though, and we actually need to analysis the claim.
Firstly, there are two possible scenerios that involve a tracker. One is Cop tracker and one is tracker doctor. I thought about it as JarJar softing, but he cannot possibly know still that a medic exists in this setup as we are down to a 50/50 if he is the tracker. If we see a doc/cop flip obviously hes mafia, there might be something there and its still possibly a scum slip instead of a soft. I know it sounds tin foil, but its something we have to consider down the line and JarJar isn't confirmed if he isn't shot obviously. And if cop flips and doc flips.outs we at least have one mafia already there. So just figured I would talk it out before moving down.
Trfel should be the lynch tomorrow, maybe LM, and we still have to evaluate a couple more people. I'm going to heal Dp tonight obviously, hes the most towny person in the game.
I"m not sure if we should kill breshke tomorrow I like some of his posts but we need to pressure him a bit more, and talk me through your EoD rsoultin. Eh, messy. Was trying to work out my thoughts with Lonemeow (ironic, I know) since the only one I was pretty sure on was Trfel, but no one wanted to lynch him and I didn't have any further arguments apart from what I already posted. Plus, yeah, I get stubborn and tunnel about people being insincere, when their words don't line up with their actions. GB never felt like a good lynch to me. I didn't want to lynch LS. I feel I've got a pretty good tone read on my brother, so I didn't want to lynch JarJar. And no, I didn't want to lynch WW either. I actually was still deciding what to do when JarJar claimed and didn't see it until I'd already changed my vote. There was something like 90 seconds left at that time. If anything, I found the lynch immensely frustrating. And much as I think that geript can't be scum unless I'm wrong on either JarJar or GB, that trfel in two pools thing still is niggling at me. It may not mean anything, though, odd as it seems and much as geript didn't want to actually explain it >< Look at Russian Mafia for geripts last scum game, it was a really good scum game for him one that he probably should of hard carried to the victory. Honestly its one of the reasons hes not my #1 town, he makes me more paranoid than HF does as scum I think. Its a pretty small lynch pool for you tomorrow then? This post shows that you obviously respect geripts mafia play yet you are clearing him solely based of the fact that he pulled the vote or off a town or at least attempted to in two EoDs. Why is this so convincing to you, why is it impossible he does this as scum? It is very possible im being really dumb here because yeah one of the people saying no lynching is dumb has to be town but i still don't understand what is so bad with no lynching. Yes we will have one less town voice and yes it will most likely be Geript because everyone seems to have him as town. I don't see why we can't even decide the lynch today, the nk happens and we just lynch that person. One town voting wrong can still fuck up the lynch today so i still don't think we are in that much of a worse position tomorrow if not a better one because whoever dies will be confirmed town. I also scrolled through Horn of Africa and Breshke was much the same in it though I haven't copied any posts from it. Breshke acted much the same except his posts were much shorter. What I got out of this is that as scum, Breshke is a lot more certain on what he thinks. He calls people scum without hesitation, and his tone is also a lot harsher, calling other people useless, and in general being a lot more aggressive. As town he's more subdued, interacts a lot with his townreads and tries to figure the game out that way, but is never certain of being right. He also spends a decent amount of time trying to figure the game out through different kinds of means in Horn of Africa, wondering why he didn't get RBed, why people haven't considered certain things, etc. As mafia, his questions seem to have a clear direction in that he either forces the attention away from himself or that they give a solid opinion on himself. As town, they seem to be more searching for answers. I still need to look through his filter again with these insights. Last time I did I thought it made him look town though. It's possible that he's made massive alterations to his scumgame in terms of tone due to this very post, but ehhh. I'm more convinced on Wave. i just don't think your toneread is that good art...lol >< when it comes right down to it you decided he was town in the first hour of the game and haven't changed your mind or reconsidered since, and frankly, i don't think this is a good way to read him anyway
I did re-eval him a bit earlier but then, ironically, wave came with a good reason to TR him and I was convinced once more. I'll give him a more thorough mulling over tomorrow.
On April 28 2015 08:03 Palmar wrote:
Lynch WaveOfShadow.
This game is so boring because people don't do what I want them to do yet no one is trying to lynch me.
I did try to lynch you but you were afk and everyone else disagreed. It was annoying.
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I don't feel your reason for townreading Wave is strong at all. That's something he'd definitely do as scum as it gets you easy town points. It's a way to look town without doing any real analysis. That's motive enough for mafia.
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I'm still ok on the Wave wagon though the fact that so many people are too does worry me but eh.
What I didn't like about his posting yesterday was that he really didn't spend much time actually commenting on his biggest scumread (Yamato). There was this..
On April 28 2015 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:I'm also not really sure why Rsoul is so aggro towards breshke. It just seems really out of place. KK yamato. I mean...I don't really even have anything I comment on. Dude's not here, not playing. Like...super minor push on Artanis, and ONE post on me while fingering me earlier in the thread---honestly makes it seem like he was looking for a reason to scumread me when he posted this: Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 15:08 yamato77 wrote:Before I delve into your posts, Damdred, I'll say that I haven't liked Artanis from the start, so it's pretty easy for me to get on to the idea of him being mafia. His whole "you made me mad so now I'm NOT going to play the game" thing was a weak response to my pressure and I should have pushed it more. His trfel read kinda synced with mine a bit at eod so I wavered but with rso basically calling him (trfel) conf town I dunno if my read is even good so I can't give Artanis much credit there even if we had the same problem with trfel. So I assume you mean these posts, where you outline your problems with Artanis On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. I can't really speak to the flow of the game sort of stuff like OMGUS response and reactive activity seeing as I'm reading everything in hindsight, so this post in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot to me. On April 26 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway give me a bit to look into that Well one thing to understand about Palmar is in this type of situation what does one vote do? Its no where close to picking up steam he is in peoples POE list but does that guarantee hes going to get up and going just because he has 1/5 votes needed its not pressurish at all imo. It could of turned into that if other people hopped on the wagon, but i'm not so sure about it especially. But Art did push off a Yamato lynch I believe when he first started talking about me after my trfel post earlier in this cycle. And then he said i should be the lynch over Yamato because my reads aren't intricate and mostly fluff. But then he neither pushes Palmar for l ynch really or pushes me to an extent, if you think that Yamato shouldnt' be the lynch and either one of Palmar/Damdred should why would you sit back and really do nothing to influence what people think? that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though? On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much. Just an exert then we have this On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.
Could prob lynch/10. On April 26 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town?
Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to.
I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote
##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it. Finally this, i went through Arts filter and there is no Yamato scum read in it. Just things like, I could make better posts but that doesn't make Yamato scum etc., This post, where you ping out his changing read on me, is quite interesting. Notably, I literally haven't given a new read since eod, so how could Artanis go from such a confident strong townread to such a weak justification of voting for me in such a short time? ritoky did this sort of thing as scum in the last game and it really brought him forward to me as possible mafia. His follow-up where he continues to push you while casually calling me mafia is quite interesting though. Wouldn't it be really easy for scum Artanis to just flock to the herd rather than continue to ping you out? Still don't see any reason not to lynch Yamato but for some reason I'm starting to think of unflipped scumteams (bad wave bad) and palmar/yamato makes a great deal of sense considering how quickly yamato just flew off his radar for no good reason. Although then again everything Palmar has done this game hasn't been for much good reason so I still don't know what to think of it. Artanis getting sick of Palmar and wants to lynch him---at first glance seems really bad since Artanis didn't care about Palmar's weak pushing up until now, but to wait for THIS long to try and get Palmar lynched from scum seems weird...like why not try it earlier since it's not like Palmar has done anything differently? Unless it's Artanis just trying to look for a new target I don't THINK that comes from scum. I was about to ask who Artanis wants to lynch now but I think it's me. Fair. I guess yamato remains my target then since apology post from Trfel and while there are other possibilities, yamato seems like the most solid choice. As far as voting for afkers goes we have a limit now, and it's likely people (especially me) are going to be away for deadline so like I said before people are going to have to get over the fact that they're lynching someone who's afk. If it's me so be it.
But does it really push him? Not really. "I guess yamato remains my target", not really any strength behind it. He gives two reasons for scumreading Yamato (Not playing + 2 minor pushes) and in then a bit later starts commenting on an unflipped association between Palmar and Yamato that doesn't go anywhere. He also points out a bunch of things he dislikes about me, but then in the end says he doesn't THINK he wants to lynch me.
I just don't see any direction or focus behind his postings. People are on top of him and he's just continuing giving random comments rather than focussing on his lynch; Yamato.
There's still lots of doubts in my mind because I really don't think the way he's been posting is the most likely for scum!wave to survive and I think he has a good scumgame but urghhhh maybe he's just got a bad scumgame this time.
##Vote WaveOfShadow
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And I lied, I'm not going to check Breshke today because not enough people want to lynch him. I will check Yamato though.
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Fine, I'll check Breshke too.
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I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target.
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On April 29 2015 03:28 rsoultin wrote:
hmmm
so, you're saying it doesn't look like either of his games, but you think it's more likely scum than town?
what makes you want to lynch him the most, though?
I think it's more likely scum than town because the way he's been playing is easier to do than what he normally does as town coupled with the fact that he dislikes playing scum. His town games I considered have also been more recent.
What makes me want to lynch him the most, and this is less meta and more just general is that he focuses so much on small things like the BH thing, my comment regarding BH/Palmar and then only commenting on me whilst ignoring pretty much everything else going in the thread other than a passerby comment on Trfel, then stepping off and joining the Wave bandwagon as soon as my bandwagon dies down.
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So, Breshke. First thought: Filter length. I've analyzed before that his filter length as scum is slightly shorter than his towngame on average. Last two games:
Mafia:
Metal Mini: 1page per 21.5 pages alive
NYE: 1page per 17.6 pages alive
Town:
Student: 1 page per 13.4 pages alive
Horn of Africa: 1 page per 16.5 pages alive
This game: 1 page per 9.833 pages alive
Activity wise, he's more active than he's probably ever been. Though it isn't the strongest meta, I'd say it does vouch in favour of him.
Tonewise, I also think is similar to his towngames. I've mentioned this before.
Rsoultin has mentioned two cores thing for her scumread on Breshke: Lacking in original thoughts, and not scumreading anyone. I'd like to add to that that I've felt his scumgames showed a certain amount of TMI in his reads, and he goes for the easy targets. He went after Coag in Metal Mini for posting songs which is not alignment indicative, as an example.
The problem I have with Rso's comment regarding original thoughts is that it's uncheckable without going through entire games and I'm not willing to invest THAT much time into digging into his meta. Presuming she's correct, it's right that Breshke hasn't given much original thought this game. However, I didn't feel that way during LXX either so it's not really a reason for me to scumread him.
Not scumreading anyone: This game, I don't think that's true. He's voted BH, he's voted Yamato and he still thinks Yamato is scum. His reasons haven't been particularly original, but he is pushing someone. He's also gone after Rsoultin earlier, though he never ended up voting her.
TMI: Possible. He townreads a lot of people, but it hasn't been apparent the way it has been in previous games. Doesn't really feel the case.
Picking the easiest targets: Not really the case either. He's gone after Rsoultin who seems pretty much unlynchable and is unwilling to vote for Wave, still believing Yamato to be the most likely person to flip scum. Going for Wave would probably ensure his survival, yet he's unwilling to do so. This'd be a weaker argument if Wave is scum too, but even then it's unlikely that neither of them is getting lynched.
Overall, I'm still pretty confident in Breshke being town. He's much more active than in his scumgames in the past, his tone checks out and the meta I pointed out all feels like it's coming from town Bresh.
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On April 29 2015 03:35 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target. But there are a few holes that I see in this. First, I don't think that it is inherently anti-town to focus on one thing at a time and jump around like yamato77 has been doing. What really matters is how you evaluate and consider everything at the key times (approaching a lynch), and yamato77 seems to be willing to consider everything when he is evaluating potential lynches. As for following the thread sentiment and not commenting on as much, it is a smaller game, and it is a slower game. To be honest, I don't feel like there is generally much to talk about that isn't the "thread sentiment". So while this doesn't look good for yamato77, and I could see myself lynching him, I can't confidently say that this makes him scum. Sort of like how I can't confidently scumread Breshke for having no unique pushes this game. Show nested quote +On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:On January 18 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote:
So you have no scum leans at least? None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? In addition to Breshke being cautious with his scumreads, this is a hard game.
There's a difference between only commenting on things that town sentiment is talking about and literally following all of thread sentiment. I don't think Yamato has swayed from it in anything other than BH, but even then he didn't push it in any real way which actually makes him look worse. The only thing that actually makes me doubt on him is the way he treated me and took a reasonable approach regarding me. It felt kinda townie, but I can't ignore the rest of the game.
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