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On April 05 2015 18:32 Blazinghand wrote: /out wooooooooooooooooooow | ||
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"I would have done that as scum OR town" | ||
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It's okay bud. I'll do you justice this game. | ||
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I'll come back when it's less dumb | ||
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On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote: all the grumpykins are mafia y/n? horrible post | ||
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On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them. Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other. So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. | ||
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On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote: Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. | ||
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On April 08 2015 05:49 Onegu wrote: I say ya kill your heroes and Fly, fly, baby don't cry. No need to worry cause Everybody will die. ##Vote Koshi You'll have to explain this one. | ||
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On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote: Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts) 2 scum down. | ||
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On April 08 2015 07:17 Koshi wrote: HF already did things? Koshi/Palmar top town. | ||
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On April 08 2015 10:18 GlowingBear wrote: This game is boring. I stated two or three times that Eden has problems in his scumreads and nobody asked me why. Nobody is really trying to play this, sadly. I think both of you are scum | ||
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On April 08 2015 10:36 GlowingBear wrote: For shitty reasoning. You don't even try to push me to further analyse my alignment, you just come to the thread, say people are bad or that they are scum, then go back to your cover Palmar did plenty | ||
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So I'm sure you're all wondering "why did anyone ever think this yamato guy was any good at mafia?" Well, now you'll see. Damdred On April 08 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: Eden your opening posts were popcorn without getting involved and that you weren't sure that Rsoul was town. I'm not sure how you want me to expound on them besides bad, you generally would of gotten involved in the thread which you didn't. Coupeled with your move to now soul read Rsoul when nothing has drastically changed from the early game in that regard has me left with mixed feelings that could be best described as you being scum, and now you are pushing on vivax without even commenting on GB I think?. Based on this post alone, I'm willing to townread Damdred. He gives a short but accurate summation of Eden's play (and the problems with it) which shows both attentiveness to the thread and a critical level of analysis about Eden's lack of overall attentiveness to actual thread happenings that people would call important. Why does Eden soulread rsoul at that point in the game? Why didn't he comment on GB, the leading lynch and perhaps the most-talked-about player in the game. It is strange. I scumread him for the same sort of reasoning. The fact that Damdred reached a similar conclusion with similar reasoning is enough to call him town. Eden To segue nicely here, let's talk about Eden and his choice of discussion topics. On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote: all the grumpykins are mafia y/n? I pointed out this post as horrible because it IS horrible. Not liking some sort of distracting thread-game is not alignment indicative. If one player decides to endlessly bitch about it and do nothing else, sure, but for me to simply opt out of joining in on HF's stupidity should not be anything alignment indicative to anyone. I'll talk more about this later when I get to HF but my point is THIS TYPE OF POST IS FUCKING STUPID On April 08 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote: This is the list of wimps that called me scum but didn't vote me. Take note cuz at least one is mafia. yamato vivax rsoultin damdred obi My pick is Vivax for copying yamato right after yamato did and then not doing anything with it. My other pick is Obi because lol lack of energy but I actually think he might say that as town. It's definitely not rsoultin. Could I guess be Damdred (I didn't like him just calling my opening "bad" without explanation when I feel like he normally explains it more). But I kinda feel like Damdred might be town for some reason I don't know yet Holyflare is prolly town. Koshi... Idk man, his posting style seems townie but he hasn't done a lot yet. When he's town there's normally a switch that gets flipped and he goes into obvtown mode, switch hasn't flipped yet. Palmar I like early. That's everyone I think These are his reads, for better or worse. He doesn't really explain ANY of his townreads, and his scumreads are all "called me scum but didn't vote me". Aside from that he comments on NOTHING ELSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME. Who gives out thin townreads and is preoccupied with how other players perceive them? Mafia. He does this at the expense of noting the huge Palmar/GB interaction that goes on for pages. I find it difficult to believe a townie overlooks that and simply focuses on people "scumreading" him. As for his explanation... On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote: Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts) "skimmed gb's posts". But didn't he earlier call Palmar town? Shouldn't that clue him in on GB? and then... On April 08 2015 06:40 Eden1892 wrote: oooh he is? that's weird cuz I don't remember him doing anything suspicious. his arguing with Palmar seemed a little pointless but not enough to lynch over. who's voting for him? >_________> then we get the list post On April 08 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote: New list, maybe probably last post before mtg tonight. I will maybe try harder when I get back from then, sorry my posting hasn't been great so far just haven't gotten into the swing of things yet I guess. 1. Damdred (Damdy wamdy): Seems like town!Damdred from what I remember. I might just be being lazy and missing inconsistencies in his posts but whenever I read his stuff it seems like it checks out. Searching and motivated early which is a good sign. 2. Koshi (Koosh ball): Tonally reads like town!Koshi to me, not seeing the productivity or the "on switch" for him yet. I feel like he probably will flip the switch at some point but I reserve the right to lynch him if he doesn't  3. Onegu (1gu): Literally don't even care, remember nothing but him posting lyrics. Dude just tends to troll and shit and get POE lynched late, hopefully he'll do something silly like claim mason in a way that can't possibly be scumread so I can read him. 4. ObiWanShinobi (obi trice, real name no gimmicks): Gets points for being the only motherfucker calling me mafia with the balls to put a vote on it, even though his reason was meh and I don't remember him doing much else. Not enough points to be town lean though. 5. GlowingBear (GB): I guess at some point I'll read what he said. If 4 people wanted to vote him over it then it must be important. But nothing he said really caught my attention the first time, seemed like some pointless nitpicking at Palmar but idk. I didn't read closely. zzz 6. DreadReturn (+ Show Spoiler +): This guy just posted and it sounded ok, which is great cuz otherwise I didn't remember he was even in the game. It seemed earnest though, he looks like he gives a shit. 7. rsoultin (+ Show Spoiler +): Count on it. 8.Palmar (Ram pal): I actually get this bad feeling in the back of my head that Palmar trying hard early makes him mafia, but his posting actually seemed pretty townie and I would much rather Palmar do this from now on so I'm gonna reward it with a townread. Seemed like he had a good direction to what he was digging into (although I admit I don't really remember much of what he was digging into lol). It was around p15-16, maybe later I'll go find what made me think this. 9.Vivax(Viv): What a wuss. 10.Eden1892 (Eden Stevens) 11.ritoky (Tokyo city? I got nothing): His gifs early were funny but he hasn't done anything yet. Having now seen a few of his games as either alignment recently I think I can get a good read on him in time. 12.yamato77 (Weapon Refit): Also a wuss, and it feels like he's doing a lot of grumpy posting without trying to fix the things he's grumpy about. Take with a grain of salt though because literally the exact last time I accused him of this he was town :/ I had him as italics red which is scumlean but thinking over this more he should probably be null. I'm not good at reading yamato but I don't like his early posting. 13.HolyFlare(Not DP): I generally like the arguments he's made so far and I look forward to the game show!!!! Apparently he's confident enough to call Palmar town but HE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT PALMAR WAS DOING, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION HE STILL HASN'T LOOKED AT GB! (wtf?!) His read on me is so non-committal it makes me want to puke. Soooooo yeah. I don't understand how he read the thread. On April 08 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote: y not  i thought about not revealing it but people apparently missed it... Apparently he's even really attentive, but entertains the idea that he should keep people's reads secret, for whatever reason. It doesn't make any sense. HOW DID HE NOTICE THIS IN HF's POST AND NOT KNOW WHY PEOPLE WERE VOTING GB?!?! Page 3 of his filter is him actually going back and reading the thread, and at the end of it he comes back with this: On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote: You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne Lol? Two of his townreads aren't actually town to him now and Vivax suddenly isn't scum? Wtf was he doing before this point, if he's going to arrive at this conclusion now? Fucking off? Ugh. On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote: holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him And apparently I'm now town as well, just becuase I played ONE SCUM GAME where I didn't post basically at all? Did you know that I've won as scum before in a game that contained rayn, marv, and Palmar all as town? My range of scum play isn't simply "doesn't play whatsoever", yet Eden is confident enough after reading a single filter of mine to give me a townread. Overall, Eden's initial reads to the game fucking blew, and his reread of the game has him coming back with complete 180s on several people. It's nice to see that he's able to change his mind but I find it difficult to believe a lot of his reasoning. He's definitely not lynchworthy but he stuck out to me early. The more I read what I've written, the more likely I am to just call his early game play fucking lazy and write him off as town if his activity continues. Damdred still gets points for noting his shitty early play. Holyflare I'm only commenting on his posts about me/obi because they are the only things actually related to the game of mafia! http://i.imgur.com/AJAwkQ6.png Boils down to: "yamato doesn't like my game so he's mafia" lolhf fucking play the game. http://i.imgur.com/DJnkL7n.png Also boils down to: "obi doesn't like my game so he's mafia" lolhf fucking play the game. (notably, he must think eden is town because he also picks out posts where we shit on Eden. lolhf) alignment: who the fuck knows? having fun does not = town ObiWan Obi doesn't like HF (but doesn't scumread him), likes Eden (now, not before), and is convinced that I'm town. ehhh null + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. This is not true. DreadReturn Smurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote: I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote: Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf. Koshi On April 08 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote: I am pretty sure Vivax is mafia. His posts are off. I can't/wont explain it yet. HF could be anything. But he isn't a townread. If he isn't mafia anybody else except Damdred could be mafia. I don't know what Damdred said. I am reading the thread though. It was probably smart because I like Damdred this game. I like this post from Koshi. He could be wrong, of course, but I like how he's thinking about the game and how he comments on people's alignment. He is almost constantly voting and posting his little scum team updates and such which shows that his reads are evolving. No reason to believe he's mafia. On April 08 2015 16:43 Koshi wrote: I'll quickly explain my actions in the Vivax case. I voted for GB because he said something really dumb, so dumb that I thought he could be town for saying that dumb thing. But I had to vote him nonetheless. That's why I added "I am voting for a town" line. When rsoultin asked me to explain my reads I just said "What Palmar said" because I remembered vaguely Palmar said something smart. tldr: Vivax is mafia. Plus this. Koshi humor is hilarious. Can't lynch this guy. Onegu Has only trolled. I have never seen Onegu only troll. I literally don't know how to read him this game. Someone else do it for me. GlowingBear THE MOMENT OF TRUTH WHAT DO I NOW THINK ABOUT GB?!?!? I'll skip over to the posts I have yet to comment on. On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote: It is. Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia. Apparently he actually believes the idea that Palmar is mafia. Essentially alignment null, but worth noting. He also soulreads HF town for the game thing, even though Obi literally pointed out that HF has done this shit as mafia before. Could just be a really bad player. He is one of the most active players, and while I disagree with his reads and how he approaches the game, it's difficult to believe that GB is actually mafia here. He is most likely similar to Eden in that they say horrible and bad things all the time but are actually just town. So yeah. Plus, it makes more sense if he's town given that mafia-DR is chainsaw defending him. Will switch my vote posthaste. rsoultin lots of her earlygame is marv-esque poking and prodding that I generally tend to like in a player, as it shows both a clear attentiveness to the thread and a willingness to interact with people about their reads to provide more clarity. On April 08 2015 13:53 rsoultin wrote: damn it all i'd just finished. oh well just gonna post a marv-like list of awesome right here and if y'all want more, ask Town Glowingbear Holyflare Onegu - my boi ^^ Eden - bumpted up for recent posts Townish OWS - the cluelessness is real <3 Koshi Maybe Town? ritoky - like the laidback approach but otherwise hard to read dreadreturn Null Palmar - equal pluses and minuses but one post that tonally feels town so eeeeh Scummy Vivax - lack of commitment to reads on a whole, some weird waffling with no conclusions Damdred Yamato - goes from prob mafia on hf to don't give in to his stupidity? sniping. no explanation for reads i'm cool with lynching anyone in the scummy section but can we please lynch yamato? -bats eyelashes- Her reads aren't bad, but I fail to understand Damdred as scummy at this juncture. I also don't understand a townread of Onegu. Not going to nitpick here, she seems to be reading the thread and clearly cares about finding a good lynch, even if it is on me. Palmar I've talked quite a bit about what I think of Palmar already, but I will say that I hope he comes back to the thread to update his reads and continue to push other things. I wouldn't like it if he continued to push GB or if he reverted to trolling. Yes, this is putting an expectation about a player's play out into the thread and preempting their return (which is bad, don't do it) but I'm confident enough in my ability to read Palmar that I'm not concerned with him knowing what I would usually expect. Vivax ? Vivax is a decent mafia player, when he wants to be. His towngame is... lacking. I have conflicting opinions on his filter. One one hand: On April 08 2015 12:55 Vivax wrote: Good morning, it's 5:54 AM here. 2 Pages left to read. Yamato Palmar town heroes. Koshi seems to have the usual boner on me. DreadReturn shitty excessively focused post. Eden just focuses on people calling his shitty post shitty instead of discussing if it is shitty. Good method of skipping over the GB stuff. Obi Wan just typed "this is infuriating". Now I'm curious. On the other: On April 08 2015 18:28 Vivax wrote: You're just imitating your town meta of tunneling me in every game I'm town. D: Dunno. Would like to know why Koshi/rsoul think this guy is scum. ritoky ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/0d80cf0eb0527b6f58077be00eae4cf2.png) List Thingy For People Too Dumb To Read Because there are many of you and I don't discriminate ritoky rsoul Koshi gb eden Palmar damdred? obi HF Onegu Vivax DreadReturn ##Unvote ##Vote: DreadReturn | ||
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On April 09 2015 02:38 DreadReturn wrote: Don't worry Koshi. I'm gonna churn out tons of data before deadline. I don't mind if you park your vote on me in the meantime, just that you would at some point be able to read thread before deadline. I remain skeptical. | ||
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On April 09 2015 03:29 Vivax wrote: DUDE LOL. It was such a long time ago that I played with this guy but the latest post reminded me totally of him. Sharrant? nooooooooooooooooo nooooooooooooooo plz no I mislynch that guy like fucking crazy plz no | ||
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Guy literally never played scum zz | ||
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On April 09 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote: yamato, what are your thoughts on Vivax's gameplay thus far? Could be scum but my case on you is better. | ||
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On April 09 2015 07:39 Palmar wrote: I'm just gonna talk about it. If he is a stubborn asshole, which most of us are, he is not going to cave in to pressure. In fact he's probably less likely to do it as town because that way it's a "well fuck you town" type of situation instead of letting a team down by being policy lynched over something dumb like that. So no. Not happening. Or he's mafia that struggles to post convincing reads. It's the theory I'm running with and I've seen nothing to change my mind. GB is a marginal lynch. | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote: ftr I am also townreading GB and have been for awhile so if he flips town (why are we lynching him ><) you can lynch me too then for "tmi" I agree with DR on your scumread, palmar...it's just not strong. GB was clearly joking in his early posts, damdy was oddly aggressive about it, then you both and your tangents -_- I want to lynch vivax You'll have to explain why you think DR is town as well. | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:12 rsoultin wrote: I don't? I think he's a pile of null who should be vigi shot xD no, seriously, I don't see the "scum" part of DRs play. perhaps you can explain it... vivax by contrast was both present and just taking up space, then finally posted reads after being called out for having none, and they were a load of crap his best posts in the game were probably nitpicking myself and koshi who were scumreading him xP explain why you're townreading vivax >______> rsoul you're shaking my faith in my townread of you. | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote: I am so tempted to say screw you and your obi filter -_- YAMATO convince me or stay hiding like a pussy! I've said my piece about both Vivax and DR. It worries me that you don't already know my position. | ||
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Why would it have? Do you think there's any reason my reads should have changed? | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:33 rsoultin wrote: dreadreturn addressed some of your concerns and took some stances. unless your real reason for voting him is just because he's a smurf ... you have vivax as not knowing what alignment he is, yet he's posted a lot since your reads post it's a reasonable question you should be able to see that dreadreturn's stances are weak. His main "stance" seems to be that Vivax is scum, which isn't exactly the most difficult argument to make. He's really made no post that I feel could ONLY come from a town player, and he doesn't seem too motivated to prove himself town like a town player would. He's only made the posts he's made because of the pressure on him, but even then they are the bare minimum. Vivax's posts haven't changed my read much. It's difficult to see how he fits in the thread given DR's case on him. He's not clear mafia like DR is. Sort of like GB for me at the moment, I understand that there's reasons to think he's scum but they aren't more convincing than my own case on DR. | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:44 rsoultin wrote: Meh. I still feel like DR is more a policy lynch than a genuine scumread lynch, but I have no reason to townread him either, so whatever. I'll vote DR over GB this game any day. But I expect better reasons for Vivax being town than "he posted 5 pages" when we discuss him again during the night phase. Gonna stop being a bad guest now. I'll reread before the lynch but I'm not actually home atm. He's not a policy lynch and if you vote him on those grounds I'm going to be very upset with you. | ||
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I'm fine with GB/DR wagons so you need to choose from those two and vote between them. | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:51 Holyflare wrote: I'm not bullying anyone off of dr until he name claims and i make a decision. he isn't going to, and policy lynching a smurf is a shit reason to vote someone make a real decision between actually viable lynches. | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Seeming townie doesn't mean anything, you need to able to explain WHY it's town over just saying "it's townie lol." STOP ARGUING ABOUT HF WE AREN'T LYNCHING HIM TODAY NOW IS THE TIME FOR REAL LYNCHES | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:53 Holyflare wrote: His posting is mediocre and on one person and has no follow up to the questions he asked me which is why i want to know if he's a new player smurfing or not because it actually makes all the difference to my read. well you're not going to get whatever information you're looking for so make a decision instead of holding out for something that isn't going to happen | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We're lynching him tomorrow if he doesn't get shot then. decide who you want to lynch today | ||
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On April 09 2015 10:56 Holyflare wrote: And if he just doesn't give a shit about the town or this game and berates me for 'policy lynching' him instead of scum lynching him then i don't care because he values hiding more than he does finding scum because this is clearly wasting my time. sounds like a non-town thought process but hey it's your vote | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:02 Onegu wrote: Why aren't we lynching koshi? Like he scum reads me hen ever follows up until I'm null for no reason, he only has a five page filter no original reads and only 2 posts of substance. @eden you know my koshi read is on point, get on it unlike last time and lynching town Onegu instead... ![[image loading]](http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/107/367/1300566827001.jpg) | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:05 Holyflare wrote: Ehh Damdred feels a bit off to me... Plz get better (health wise) + give some more elaborations. the fact that eden and gb are the damdred wagon makes me extremely apprehensive to acquiesce to more votes on him I'll read him more tonight. | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:15 Holyflare wrote: Like seriously what is this dr doing as the leading wagon just before deadline? Contemplating existence? Or just letting people try to derail and returning like 10 mins before deadline with either a claim or some other bs. It does make one wonder. | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:19 Holyflare wrote: Why didn't you scum read me for afking yamato? I don't townread you. | ||
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Anyone who thinks I'm town needs to vote DR | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:29 Onegu wrote: Btw I think HF has the worst post in the thread Just sheep me. You owe me for Desert Mini. | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote: You did give me the win. But are you saying you are mafia and I owe you a win? Do you REALLY think I'm mafia? REALLY? | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:35 Onegu wrote: Nope, but still if we are on the same team why do I owe you? Because I want to win this game Just sheep me, for once. | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:36 DreadReturn wrote: What's with this unrealistic expectation that I'm glued to the screen until deadline hits? If I'm here I'm here, if I'm not I'm not. GB has been absent for a good 22 hours so I'm inclined to think that I might just be dead wrong with my initial read so ##Unvote Vivax ##Vote GlowingBear I still think Vivax is a stronger scum read though. ![[image loading]](http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Allison-Brie-Oh-God-Now.gif) | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I did. I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's. because you're still arguing with HF fucking shithead | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote: yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes. tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town? Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR? Is it that you think DR is somehow townie? If it's at all close I would just vote DR. | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:59 Holyflare wrote: "oh guys I'm Hapahauli and have no time to play but i have no guts to say that so fuck you all" -dreadreturn/hapahauli 2015 Hapa is the cohost... | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If we're yoloing someone, we should just yolo GB. that's exactly who we shouldn't YOLO onto | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:07 ritoky wrote: lol you serious, you just convinced me onto DR last minute YOLO lynches are the best just trust me, Vivax is a really fucking good lynch here. | ||
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because it's too easy a lynch we go onto Vivax, it's an amazing lynch right now | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:11 Vivax wrote: 5 AM. THATS WHEN THE WINNERS GET UP. TO GIVE YAMATO A GOOD BEATING. LOL WOW VIVAX | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote: Lynch palmar. Lynch me if I'm wrong. Let's go. noooooooo stop HF stop | ||
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The lynch is now between DR and Vivax, since both of them are around to show their alignment. EVERYONE follows me when I make my choice. | ||
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HF is definitely pretty high on my scum list for tomorrow given how he's acted about the lynch today. | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:29 Eden1892 wrote: I kinda don't think this DreadReturns guy is mafia. :/ I get good Zen vibes about not lynching him. yamato, what's the concise version of the case on him? your laziness in reading the thread is noted and also fucking pathetic spammers can't even read a reasonable size game I'm really tired of this | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote: And how is that mr wizard? You just said you don't want to lynch dr and yolo vivax which means your scum read vanished and now you want to definitely split the lynch between the 2 and refuse to acknowledge any other read. Pretty poor town leader. All you're doing is being a shit and trying to fuck with the lynch. We need people consolidating their votes, not a million different wagons that don't provide any information. You're better than this as town. | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:32 Holyflare wrote: It's pretty weird you scum read eden in your giant list post yamato and he's done shit all since and now you berate him but don't want to lynch him. it's too late to talk about lynching anyone new stop being horrible at mafia | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: 3o minutes till deadline with everyone around is perfect time. no it isn't | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:36 Eden1892 wrote: so is it in your filter then? I'm asking for time's sake not just to do it I WONDER IF I MADE A CASE ON THE GUY I'VE BEEN PUSHING ALL DAY HMMMMMM | ||
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Flip a coin. Eden or DR I'm too indecisive at the deadline with all these deplorable players posting shit. | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:43 Holyflare wrote: Let's lynch gb! NO | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:48 Eden1892 wrote: i dunno, honestly i wasn't gonna sign up, but rso asked me to so i did. i realized kinda late i was in another game where i rolled mafia and i wanted to actually try in that one so actually no that's bs, i prolly wouldn't try hard in this one even if i hadn't been playing another one. idk man. i was actually gonna apologize for this at deadline, wanted to wait so i didn't look like i was just johning to avoid a lynch but since you asked~ ![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Vomit_6aec2a_1127435.jpg) | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:49 rsoultin wrote: o.0 wtf eden? yamato the flip to vivax I like but where did it come from? reading your filter didn't help :/ i'm not going to get to the relevant pages before EoD this game is confusing I just want lots of people to die, and for it to be D2 so I can have a few names crossed off with confidence. | ||
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On April 09 2015 13:12 Holyflare wrote: So yeh why did you want to switch to your biggest scum read that you pushed forevers scum read? stop being a shitter | ||
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On April 09 2015 20:00 Palmar wrote: Holyflare is mafia. First point. He started this weird game and never did anything with it. This is my weakest point, but the fact that he gave up on it fairly easily without ever trying something more with it is something mafia would do. See my last game where I randomly started talking about having some items and no memory to create some kind of a story. This is a bad point though and there's better to come. Second point, this one is good. HF wants to lynch me for tunneling... ... his scumread. If he is being genuine with "slight scummy read" he should have absolutely no problem with me trying to get things done with it. Also I want to reiterate how bad and uncompromising hf's "lynch smurf if he doesn't claim" shit was. It was super dumb. Third point, this is the best one: I was trying to get people off DR last night and obviously my preferred alternative was GB. Here's what HF had to say about them. only 10 minutes apart HF basically says: I townread DR I scumread GB But his actions suggest something completely different. He keeps trying to kill DR and ignoring GB. To be honest I don't think he has ever explained his scumread on GB. He has however given us reasons why I shouldn't scumread GB, which seems to contradict his own scumread. Anyway I point this out in the thread so what does HF do? He fixes the problem by slapping a random shitty scumread on DR! There we go, now it's all consistent. But of course we can't forget that HF doesn't lynch claimed blues on day 1. He lets it play out... which brings me to: point 4 HF's excuse for not lynching his scumread GB is that he doesn't want to lynch the claimed vigi Which only applies in some cases. Holyflare is mafia. Lynch him, shoot him, burn him. Don't let him bullshit his way to day 5 or something like he always fucking does Palmar gets it. | ||
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On April 09 2015 23:23 Holyflare wrote: Boo fucking hoo. He only looked towny to me in his FINAL reads post. That was what, 30 mins before deadline and yamato was calling for a scummy switch. you POS I'm fucking murdering you for this shitpost | ||
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On April 10 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote: I literally just told you that WAS my intention with the game and you're saying it wasn't? I also did not lynch dread because he didn't reveal his name, I lynched him for being scummy and then because there was no alternative with such short time. If I were to perpetuate the you being called mafia argument I would be feeding people as you being mafia but I'm not. I also don't like your Palmar point because he didn't have double standards he scum read you for not portraying what you think you were portraying with the initial post whereas Eden was nothing like that. Obi read is based on weird shit that isn't even relevant. Damdred is an on read but meh. Your reads are pretty lackluster gb it's not really based on like... points in the game at all, it's a bit hypocritical that you're saying palmar is mafia for picking on only one post but then you are calling him mafia for one post with double standards On April 09 2015 12:33 Holyflare wrote: 3o minutes till deadline with everyone around is perfect time. Bullshit. | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:34 Holyflare wrote: Anyone that is not dr or gb is new and i don't want to scum lynch any of those people. Eden list post is also total trash lol HF you're so full of shit | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:26 Palmar wrote: I want to lynch you HF, and I think the thread will never do it. We can do it Palmar, we can do it. Just ignore everything he types and lynch him as he rages | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:07 Holyflare wrote: I don't hold a grudge against you yamato. You led the town down the dark path of lynching a towny. It's frustrating and you're taking your anger out on me. I get it, you shirk your own failures onto the next best target that is under pressure. You're a coward. It's ok. I don't hold it against you. I'm not going to needlessly call you mafia for organising the mislynch and forcing people into it. I played a part in it to and I put my own resent for idiots ahead of a mafia lynch. I admit that. Shhhh now. Sleep young one. I shall lead you to redemption. this smear campaign is pathetic | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:37 Holyflare wrote: Does this look like i scum read yamato at all palmar? You even asked if i did and I said he was towny all day. Why lie again? Pretty shallow list of reasoning for everyone you have their palmar. you're too much of a pussy to scumread me you'll just call me bad and question my decision making gj | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:40 Holyflare wrote: Yeh I'll do that because you are bad and have terrible decision making though not because you are mafia. Hopefully you have your RB on me, bro. | ||
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SOMEONE BE THE HERO GOTHAM DESERVES SHOOT THIS JOKER IN THE FACE ![[image loading]](http://www.city-data.com/forum/members/gallowscalibrator-129085-albums-funny-images-pic46408-hero-gotham-deserves.jpg) | ||
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I CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME NOW | ||
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Palmar isn't scum tho. GB probably is. | ||
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On April 10 2015 18:15 Vivax wrote: All the points are true, you're a real idiot if you don't see it. No they aren't, I clearly see Koshi's POV and how he got to where he got with the night action stuff. I also see how he made the mistake he did. I mean, what are you even accusing him of? Being mafia, and calling a player town when he shouldn't have? Makes no fucking sense. | ||
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This is mafia. He's taking my quotes out of context in an attempt to make me look bad. I talked about Palmar A TON in my post that he pulls that first quote from, yet he does the scummy as shit thing and quotes a post from before that has no context. Vivax couldn't be this fucking stupid as mafia. If he's reading the post he's quoting from, he'd realize how fucking stupid it is to make a shit post like this and he wouldn't. However, mafia Vivax both gives no fucks and would maliciously misrepresent my post in an attempt to make me look worse. | ||
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On April 12 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote: Town vivax gives no fucks as well Town Vivax has no motivation to blatantly misrepresent my post. Seriously, go read the post he's talking about in my filter. Look at how much I talk about Palmar before I get to the Palmar section that he quoted. He's fucking mafia for cherrypicking so blatantly. His criticism of my read on Eden is also shit. Yes, I went through and lambasted Eden, but I also came to the realization AS I WAS TYPING (he missed quoting that stuff from my big post, strange isn't it? ) that despite everything I had said, Eden could legitimately just have been a lazy fucking townie. Actually read my filter for yourself. My reads have not been Correct but that's never a legitimate reason to lynch anybody. I cared more about who we were lynching yesterday than anyone and I was pissed about what happened near the deadline and how HF was shittalking all night like a scummy little bitch. Today I haven't played but lynching me for any reason other than sheer policy is just lying to yourself. | ||
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On April 12 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yamato if you leave I'm just going to lynch you anyway. I'm already upset with you for not playing. Also this post is straight up lynch worthy. Was just defending me, now trying to act like he could lynch me again. Fucking mafia. | ||
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the only reason I have to think that it isn't Vivax is because I've seen him be absolute trash tier before, especially when it concerns reading me. | ||
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On April 12 2015 16:52 Vivax wrote: New legacy list. Town: Everyone who isn't below. The nullest null that every nulled: Palmar Mafia: Yamato, Eden PALMAR is null?!?!? Vivax please. | ||
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If you're town this game I'm depressed LIX status forreals. | ||
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On April 13 2015 16:23 Vivax wrote: So Palmar I'm saying fuck you if yamato flips mafia. Vivax, I hate to disappoint you. | ||
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On April 13 2015 16:35 Vivax wrote: Last try, since nobody except Damdred and SL listened when I posted my case: Do actually read his town games in his profile. Read LIX, read Carnival Cruise. All over 10 p of filter and actually containing big insightful cases on single players. Then read his scum games. Filter size, minimal. Winded bullshitty posts or small aimless posts. Like this game. I can see you having this read, but it's no longer completely accurate. | ||
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On April 13 2015 23:46 Vivax wrote: I don't fucking care ! Today you have all my attention. Your reads are scummy shit and your first 5 pages of a total of 6 are D1/N1. Afterwards you basically stopped playing. Maybe there's a reason I stopped playing? My reads are also 2 days old and were only from 24 hours of gameplay. Today I'll update those reads, but it might not happen immediately. | ||
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On April 14 2015 00:39 Vivax wrote: Afterwards I want to lynch Koshi. This isn't a tunnel it's just nitpicking that never attempts to get me lynched. Town Koshi would have be trying to move the thread like crazy to get me lynched but all he does is ask me his shitty questions and never post decent reads. He says I say dumb shit and then doesn't provide example. Just overall half-assed, annoying play and the time he seemed to try hard he was only like "Damdred remember Storm mafia" which wasn't anything alike cause that was a game where I afkd after D1. In this game I'm all over the place and post regularly. See, this is an interesting read. Koshi has not taken an active role in finding the lynch yet, he seems content to sheep people. Aperture Koshi literally flung himself at the rails trying to get people lynched. | ||
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I think it's Koshi/Ritoky. Both of them had strong townreads on me D1 yet both managed to "scumread" me on D2 and Ritoky even voted for me and left it there. Plus, both have had marked dropoffs in activity/productivity since D1, and both seem to be playing the same sort of sideline style game where they tend to sheep thread sentiment onto lynches instead of pushing their own reads with any strength. It's almost never Palmar/Obi/Damdred. All three of them scumread GB when it wasn't convenient for mafia to do so and/or were the target of GB's ridiculous mafia tunnel. I've thought Palmar was town since early D1 and there's no reason for me to re-evaluate that read now with his un-cc'd vig claim. Obi I've had as legitimately possible mafia but the way the lynch went down yesterday basically confirms him as town, I don't really see an alternate world where he's actually mafia and they made some stupid play instead of just lynching me. Damdred was meh-ish on D1 but really picked it up D2 from what I could tell and was instrumental in getting the GB lynch through. If I doubt any of the three going forward it's Damdred, though. I'll do some more digging on Koshi/Ritoky today in between fulfilling some of my other obligations. | ||
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On April 14 2015 00:46 Vivax wrote: Yamato why did you stop playing so abruptly? You mean, why did I stop playing after HF ruined any attempt at D1 lynch shenanigans and then shit on me after the lynch because I was wrong on DR and wanted to switch to you? I was pissed at this game, and I didn't really care to play much the past three days. I also worked all three of those days and had no motivation to come home and read this game after my shifts. | ||
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On April 14 2015 00:59 Koshi wrote: Please talk about scumtactics in your designated QT. So I'm confirmed mafia to you now? Ok, Koshi. | ||
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On April 14 2015 01:01 Palmar wrote: It's ok, it's one of my well known weaknesses. When I want to be, I am amazing on day 1. It's always been the case and always will be, I just have a knack for playing day 1. I am, on the other hand, not every good after that. Thankfully, getting fairly good reads on day 1 + looking obvious town from lynching mafia is in most cases plenty of contribution to be a "good townie". I always get mad at people who disagreed with me (just look at how godawful Eden's day 1 reads were  ). I know I shouldn't but I just can't help it.So yeah, I'm bad after day 1, which is why I'm going to let people who get better with more information carry the game for me. Palmar, do you agree with my direction on this game currently or not? | ||
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Ritoky Ritoky REALLY doesn't want to lynch GB On April 09 2015 08:02 ritoky wrote: to be serious for a moment here. i am at a real impasse. i think palmar is pretty much null. i also have this policy where i don't vote on the largest filter day1 cuz 95% of the time dude is town. but i also remember down under 2 where palmar had this similar insta-read on me that he blew out of proportion like this and literal 0 people listened to him, i shot him at night, and carried the game....so i am really tempted... On April 09 2015 08:14 ritoky wrote: GB is the largest filter palmar. i am talking about your read on GB this game and its similarity to your read on me in DU2 On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote: yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes. tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town? This post in particular is strange. Why would ritoky feel the need to make a post like this when I'm one of his top town reads? Also, how does he have GB as mafia (in this post) with his first two posts being what they are (a defense of GB)? Strange stuff. On April 09 2015 11:53 ritoky wrote: I like palmar's read it reminds me a lot of his read on me in DU2. Plus GB has largest filter, and that is like 90-95% town based on stats. I also made that connection between DR and damdred and I think damdred is pretty town....so.... After this post he apparently sheeps me, for whatever reason, even though he seems quite unsure about himself. And then... he sheeps me some more. But N1 he has a couple townie-ish posts like this one: On April 12 2015 03:30 ritoky wrote: oh look, people call me mafia when i am afk. guess they are bad. follow the guide. i even posted this for every1 to see in guardians of the galaxy, then proceeded to do 3/4 of it. sorry nerdz i be town. ![[image loading]](http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loji8cXqk51qikhz3o1_500.gif) D2, though, he whiffs pretty hard with these two posts: On April 12 2015 03:47 ritoky wrote: could get behind a lynch on GB or eden. eden because he seems to conclude that effort/activity = town and not-effort/activity = mafia. he is a much better player than to conclude that stupid crap as town. gb because damdred makes his giant vote post and this response to it is trash: no specific explanation or quotes, all general criticisms, beginnings of doubt into redoubled push, and claiming the basis is pretty much omgus. this momentary hesitation hasn't really come up again until here: once again general criticism, lacks specifics, all heuristics. this push is fake and gb just shit fighting for the sake of shit fighting at this point. i think he realizes it is bad too. my town reads day 1 are god tier. never doubt them: me, yamato, koshi, damdred all town never lynch. (emphasis mine) On April 12 2015 07:46 ritoky wrote: is the sheep palmar onto gb just not happening? cuz I will vote yamato in that case. or eden. How did this switch happen exactly? >____> But his last post was this: On April 13 2015 12:02 ritoky wrote: hi, i am sorry, i have serious shit happening irl that is literally keeping me out of the game entirely. i am town still. fuck you SL is the first thing i want to say. i sat there and asked if there was going to be a switch to GB since he was my primary lynch target, 3 people told me no. i leave and you lynch him and blame me. fuck you first and foremost. also GB spewed me town like no other, so i am basically confirmed now. damdred switching his read on me based on thread sentiment and activity vs what he actually reads me on above is suspect; but w/e i would probably scum read me for basically not playing for 72 hours. anywayz, next phase the mafia is going to push a low hanging fruit ML on me, and when it comes to that i will shit town rainbows like i have been doing all game and we will lynch mafia instead of me. back to life getting in the way of everything. ciao His GB read was weird overall (especially D1) and I don't like his about-face on me but it's REALLY hard to overlook some of the genuine stuff in his filter and especially his IDGAF attitude on D1/N1 where he was all badass with his GIF game. Man, fuck. I dunno anymore. | ||
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On April 14 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote: Also Yamato you pointed out things in ritokys filter you didn't like could you point out the sincere good things that you mention that cause you to go idk. I have a thought but I'll save it until Yamato answers I pointed out a couple posts, and quite a few of his GIFs feel really sincere and off-the-cuff in a way that gives me reason to worry. His townread of me was actually really good I thought. I even liked his "null/scum" read thing of HF on N1. Idk. I had the guy as sure town D1. | ||
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On April 14 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote: Are you going to lynch him or push him today or going to push koshi? I don't know where I'm going yet. I have yet to delve into Koshi. | ||
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On April 14 2015 03:21 Koshi wrote: yamato. Your case on ritoky is terrible. this point: is especially mafia. Inherent guild or something. I remember vaguely that is a term for finding mafia. Like... Why wouldn't ritoky answer you after you ask him a question about his scumreads??? Why does he waffle back and forth like that about who to lynch? I don't understand why he'd feel the need to do so. Also, it's not a case, it's my impression of his filter. The point is that I have mixed feelings. It's not clear-cut. | ||
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On April 14 2015 03:33 Koshi wrote: dnu but I dont know exactly why it makes him mafia. Why do you want to bury the hatchet with Vivax? It doesn't make sense. Vivax is quite obvious mafia if you are town IMO. If I were you I would put Koshi on Obi level. But below Vivax? After how you thought I was town D1? How all townies flipped? How most of the "confirmed" town atm believe I am town. Compared to Vivax. Who is pushing you. Who all dead townies wanted to lynch. Who you thought was a good lynch D1. SEriously. Except the Yamato lynch. I don't think Vivax has a very good D2. And you are Town!Yamato? How are you making peace with Vivax and attack Koshi? It boggles my mind. I'm only not attacking Vivax because it would be wholly unproductive to continue to point out how poorly he has formed his read of me. I have yet to even read your filter Koshi. I'm going in blank. | ||
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On April 14 2015 03:44 Koshi wrote: I don't know. You two have not the biggest conversation chains tbh. Quite unimpressive for 2 long time serving mafia players. You tried to engage Vivax couple hours back. But he ignored you 100%. Just like he ignored you when you posted your big read post D1. And then you ignored him when he posted his not much later. (Not sure about that last, but I remember saying something like this in my reread case D2) I don't generally have "conversation chains" Especially not with people I actually consider possible mafia. | ||
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On April 14 2015 03:50 Koshi wrote: dnu bro. Time for you to read the game and give your final stances. There is no need / time for conversation anyway I think. And people out of ritoky/Vivax/Yamato should have it pretty easy anyway. ritoky really needs to play. But I think his only play is to call yamato/Koshi mafia. Or obi? Betrayel of the Angels. Even if I come out with some sort of idea of who I want today, my stances aren't final. But yes, I will decide who I want to lynch before long. | ||
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On April 14 2015 05:34 Vivax wrote: Reread HF later posts, messy stuff. Also remembered that yamato hated HF but didn't join Team Palmar when he had the chance. I'm still for lynching him. That's a very shit reason for calling me scum, but keep piling it up Vivax. | ||
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On April 14 2015 12:05 ritoky wrote: w/e if you can't see a town when it slaps you in the face. that is on you guys. same as in XXX, i was so blatantly town it hurt and that lynch was one of the worst travesties in history. so what, i don't have firm scum reads; i haven't read nearly half of the game. keep on pushing that low hanging fruit. I'm sorry if you're town but you don't really seem that townie since N1 really. | ||
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It isn't fun to try to think your way through a game and have every post of yours dissected and every single read change of yours questioned. I'm going to be fucking indecisive, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF KNOWING PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENTS. | ||
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A huge towncase on Obi is not convincing whatsoever. It's actually kinda scummy that instead of looking at people that have a higher chance of being scum, ritoky chose to use his efforts calling Obi town when GB just yelled for his lynch all of yesterday. I find it interesting that Vivax really hasn't posted much of anything besides calling me scum. Is he capable of posting big posts calling me mafia with horrible confirmation bias and then throwing shit at a wall repeatedly as scum? Absolutely. His posts about OTHER THAN ME are markedly few and far between and seem quite lower quality. I only offered him the olive branch in an attempt to rid myself of tunneling him and he hasn't played along whatsoever. Koshi's posting today LOOKS really townie in a "I'm going to post a bunch and look like I'm figuring out the game" sort of way while maintaining a consistent attitude in terms of how he's treating his interaction with me and my read on him. I don't think it's him. So yeah, I'm back at ritoky/Vivax. | ||
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On April 14 2015 06:37 ritoky wrote: oh, and as an aside, i was roleblocked last night. HOLY FUCKING SHIT MAFIA WOW | ||
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On April 14 2015 15:53 ritoky wrote: came back for a brief moment to say i don't have enough time tonight to do another filter dive. look at yamato's reaction lol, guy is almost certainly mafia. keep trying to bury the guy shitting town rainbows son, that'll work out well for you. you're mafia, but even for that your criticism of me is terrible twice now and you're hedging. you criticize me for not concluding enough when i made a post about the votes, when just previously your read on me had concluded in "IDK". you criticize me here for making a town case on obi. did you not read? like 5 posts earlier i said that vote logic and my gut told me obi was mafia with you. i then went into his filter and discovered that i was utterly wrong and posted why. i don't feel i even need to look at your filter after your reaction here. oh and "I'm going to be fucking indecisive, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF KNOWING PEOPLE'S ALIGNMENTS." what makes me scum makes you town. got it. 98/2 mafia. lolok. | ||
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Do you really expect us to believe mafia didn't roleblock the CLAIMED JK?!?! absolute scum. | ||
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On April 14 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote: It's Koshi and yamato. All I gotta say. that's pretty weak, bro | ||
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On April 14 2015 17:44 Vivax wrote: You thought my post about Koshi was an interesting read and you never did anything with it. You promised to read Koshi and didn't do it. You snap voted ritoky and said "I will find his partner", still didn't look at Koshi. I've since been rather convinced by his current posting that he's actually town. BUT HEY, just keep ignoring the fact that other people exist in this game. | ||
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On April 14 2015 17:49 Vivax wrote: The ironic thing is that all this shit wouldn't be happening if Palmar wasn't so bad. The D2 wagon on you was glorious, although the information that Obi voted scum is still gold. Koshi however didn't vote anyone. That's not what town Koshi does. There are doubts about Koshi, sure, but why is he less town than you? | ||
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On April 15 2015 05:53 Vivax wrote: Sorry guys rayn just gave me my account back, what's going on? I never scumread Koshi wtfbbq | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:01 Vivax wrote: He somehow found my PW out and I haven't been able to play for days. Couldn't contact anyone on TL until now that he has restored it back to normal and left a PM in my inbox where he laughs like a maniac. There's also a link to a .wav file on mediafire where he laughs maniacally. vivax plz PLZ VIVAX PLZ | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:02 Damdred wrote: I'm at a loss here damdred, I'm going to level with you this game is over. | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:04 Vivax wrote: Yamato all like  How much did you laugh yammo more than was reasonable fucking LOL | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:06 Vivax wrote: Nha but seriously now that Koshi had his rage outburst and equals my filter size I'll townread him. Just like that. I said close to the same thing and people were all "Y U CHANGE UR MIND, SHOULDN'T KOSH B SCUM?!/1/1!?! lol this game. | ||
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On April 09 2015 08:09 Holyflare wrote: I have a slight scummy read on gb but he's claimed vigilante so willing to let it play out. I'm not going to stop a dr lynch unless he claims his name ever. On April 09 2015 08:21 Holyflare wrote: You absolutely should know gb is terrible and easily capable of posting useless shit as town and that looks like a classic useless gb omg you mafia cz you don't think like this post. So it's terrible that you continued on that route. Also that post when it's crunch time and someone needs to be lynched before bed??? Baaaad On April 09 2015 08:50 Holyflare wrote: I'm not going to lynch a claimed vigi on day 1 ever. Especially if that person has been afk for this period of time. It's a terrible reason to scum read someone for afking when they are usually high activity (me included) On April 09 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote: No he's not scummier than the alternatives because half your points on him are moot when you realise gb is bad and says that shit all the time. 9/10 people that claim blue at the very start of the game are town anyway so it's bad to make that connection with galaxy and I'm more than capable of looking past blue claims and scum reads to see their overall play. I don't want to lynch gb today so stop it. On April 09 2015 09:05 Holyflare wrote: I have no idea why you're even trying to talk me into lynching gb when I'm just not going to so you're going to have to talk around me and fight for why he's a better lynch than DR. On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote: Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote: Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. On April 09 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote: No that's not the only point. Dr has multiple instances of asking questions and not giving a shit about the follow up (see him asking me about vivax and not giving a shit about my answer on his return). Spotting my reads means he's actually looking at all of my posts individually and is very likely why he called me town (looking for secrets). Keeping them hidden and berating eden for making them public is like having a secret town circle with someone feeding you information as it goes along, making that public hurts the agenda. Gb is also awful and makes awful posts as town. +he's afk. On April 09 2015 12:43 Holyflare wrote: Let's lynch gb! On April 09 2015 12:44 Holyflare wrote: Hehe just kidding On April 10 2015 10:40 Holyflare wrote: Also if I do die, gb is probably town so all that trash palmar was throwing on me for pushing towns, realise how awful and hypocritical it is. Then realise obi has 0 reasoned scum reads and only posts sarcastic comments 24/7. LOOK AT HOW MANY TIMES THIS GUY DEFENDED GB D1/N1, HE MUST BE MAFIA oh wait... | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote: Yamato do you think ritoky is town here? I think he took everything I've ever said about GB and managed to spin it in a way that makes it sound like I was actually his mafia partner, while omitting the crucial thought processes that show why I had such an inconsistent read. look, being indecisive is NOT how I play mafia. I don't waffle about, I have absolute stances and I fucking stick to them. indecision is a HALLMARK of my town play. my reads are in constant flux and often change on very little because I'm attempting to get a feel for someone's play and it often changes based on their own mood and such | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote: You saw the tree and missed the forest. It isn't because you defended GB, it is because your reason for defending him was utter horseshit to start, and then it got invalidated yet you maintained your defense. I never even defended him, except to decide that I DIDN'T LIKE THE PEOPLE VOTING HIM my soft townread of him was WEAK, and mostly based on the fact that I DIDN'T THINK MAFIA COULD BE SO STUPID you know, just like Eden, the guy who was actually town? | ||
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it's easy to make 2 day old reads from 24 hours into the game look bad. I'm not impressed by your inability to think critically. | ||
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On April 15 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote: You saw the tree and missed the forest. It isn't because you defended GB, it is because your reason for defending him was utter horseshit to start, and then it got invalidated yet you maintained your defense. also, it didn't get invalidated, because DR defending GB WAS NOT THE ONLY REASON I HAD HIM AS SLIGHT TOWN fucking shit, I EVEN THOUGHT A GB WAGON WAS A GOOD IDEA AT SOME POINT jesus it's such a shit accusation, literally on Vivax level of stupid | ||
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On April 15 2015 07:05 ritoky wrote: Having glanced through Koshi's filter, a few quick comments: I remember reading him town day 1 because he telegraphed his play in a way that seemed honest to me about how he was going to try and play more withdrawn and post less, but then ultimately he couldn't help himself and started posting a lot more. It just read to me like someone who wanted to make an honest change, but just couldn't hold themselves back. To me it was quite town indicative and until this phase I hadn't really considered him anything other than town for it. The reasons why koshi could be mafia are basically 2-fold: he has been too wrong for town koshi and he has not really gone for the lynch targets he wants. The been too wrong part is pretty self explanatory. The not pushing his lynch targets. When I think of town koshi I think of him trying to lynch me in XXX even though I am the towniest miller who ever towned. Or way back when where him and I wanted to lynch chromatically for 3 straight days and yelled at the town mafia siding the entire way and were relentless. I don't see his drive and passion to get his lynches this game which could be mafia indicative. I have a real hard time coming off of my day 1 read on him though, but if he thinks I am mafia he is wrong on literally everything. "too wrong to be town" is literally the stupidest thing I've ever read the other point I've already brought up 0/0 for 0 effort | ||
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On April 15 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Was this towards ritoky or toward the thread yamato is there a difference? | ||
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On April 15 2015 07:26 Damdred wrote: Why are you trying to justify and convince your Scum read and the person you are lynching? If you think he's Scum what's the point in explaining to him why it isn't scummy there's always the chance he's town and just really playing awful I always play this way | ||
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I mean, how big is margin of error here? I would say not a large one, at this point. 5%? On April 15 2015 07:33 Damdred wrote: Also Yamato if you could have ! whateverLynch today who It basically has to be ritoky after the stances he's taken. | ||
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On April 15 2015 07:35 ritoky wrote: yamato starts out by yelling at HF for calling DR a policy lynch and wanting to lynch him for it. this is the kinda fine part of it. it goes on a bit longer during the end of phase because there is a disagreement over who to swap on and if DR is policy or not. i can understand this a bit coming from a town perspective of frustration. it continues a bit and he keeps yelling at HF about him not being policy and whatnot until the end of the day phase. where the shitfight that has 0 reason behind it and he doesn't believe in starts is when it boils into night phase: it goes on and on and on and on until HF is dead. honestly i think all this is about is HF called yamato bad and yamato just spams the thread calling him a shitter. and even before that it might have started with HF calling yamato's case a policy case which yamato took as an insult. that's the motivation i am reading, there isn't much game solving going on at all. it is a fight to fight. I take offense when people call me bad. You know, especially when this is the first game I've actually tried in for a LONG time. If he's town, it's a shit play and he should feel bad. There's no reason to just openly criticize my play when he did nothing himself. | ||
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Look at how I reacted to Supersoft/BC when they vet circlejerked in LXIII I don't take kindly to people blowing me off. | ||
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Even if we ML it's 3v2 LYLO tomorrow If we lynch correctly it's 4v1, and then we have 1 ML to 2v1 LYLO 3 hours until we find out how fucked we are tomorrow. | ||
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BETTER MAKE THAT "YAMATO TOTALLY BUSSED GB AND RITOKY AND IS TOTALLY MAFIA" CASE REAL QUICK BRO | ||
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On April 15 2015 22:35 Palmar wrote: Like to me we lynch the people that appear to care the least. Obi and yammy. But this is not a final opinion. I care less than Koshi/Vivax yesterday? Palmar plz. | ||
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On April 15 2015 22:56 Vivax wrote: Why do I keep getting the feeling that for you this is just a show where you don't want to participate. Why would I want to be in the middle of this shitfight? Also, I don't really have to do anything except figure out which of the two of you is more likely mafia. My towniness is secured. On April 15 2015 22:56 Vivax wrote: Btw Palmar got roleblocked by mafia but since GB is dead it doesn't change much. This is also stupid speculation. Mafia would always shoot/rb the JK unless they fancied a chance of their NK not going through. They just happened to act on the fakeclaimer, not the real one. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:04 Vivax wrote: It's not speculation, it just proves I'm reading the game and you aren't. Check D2, around page 83-84. Oh, you meant N1 That's a different story obviously But hey, you don't get any points for it, because you still haven't answered the ultimate question WHO IS MAFIA, VIVAX? | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:08 Vivax wrote: Koshi literally said Palmar must be the town vig, I called bullshit, on his comeback he and GB started pushing him. He said that cause he knew they roleblocked him. HAHAHAHAHHA. Koshi is mafia. ? | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:18 Koshi wrote: I seriously am fed up with his 100% lies. I can tunnel people. I turn everything they do as scummy. But Vivax. That ********* ********** ********** ************ ************, Just takes a post, and then changes everything to the exact opposite, and then calls that scummy. Fucking ******** ******** ********** ******** I ever saw. LXI, man, LXI Marv was smurfing, gets elected mayor D1, lynches mafia prplhz. Vivax is cop, checks mafia gonzaw N1. D2, claims his check, BUT WOULD RATHER LYNCH MARV THAN HIS OWN REDCHECK And he thinks I'm mafia. trololol | ||
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I'm 50/50 on this read so far so I'll just go with the idea that he's mafia. If it's you, Koshi, or maybe Obi in a strange game, I'll probably be alive at LYLO with you two to pull my hair out/throw up on my keyboard and make the hero lynch. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:32 Damdred wrote: Actually I've been thinking Eden might of jailed me...that would doubly confirm me as town. He does say I must of been jailed by the JK before he realizes oneg is doing plays Actually it changes nothing. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:34 Damdred wrote: Why does it change nothing? If i'm JK'd by Eden i'm just as confirmed as Palmar is at this stage because of game mecahnics Either you were roleblocked by mafia, and can't be mafia, or you were jailed by town and can't be the vig, right? | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:35 Vivax wrote: Prelude: Eden breadcrumbs he RBd Damdred Onegu posts that he Jailed Palmar. Damdred claims roleblock. Now scum knows that Onegu is lying. Since two roleblocks claimed by town mafia knows that Onegu was lying, so what do they do? They identify the lie. They knew Onegu was lying. Next post Koshi realizes his mistake and fixes it by "believing the claim". Scum knew they shot HF and rso. Anyway, here's a massive donkey balls post. assumptions by Koshi: town vig shot HF, mafia shot rsoultin. 1 mafia KP missing, mafia shot Palmar. Mafia KP missing, Palmar roleblocked. PALMAR TOWN? Hell no. That doesn't make any sense. And justifies it with bullshit logic: Why does he say that mafia KP is missing? Literally no base, he's just making it up and doesn't consider that Palmar could have been carrying it. As you see he's strongly leaning on Palmar being town for unknown reasons. More bullshit when Eden and I point it out: When Eden and I point it out he goes to the other extreme and says that the next vig shot HAS to be from scum Palmar. To justify the missing logic even more: Not much later on: What follows are istaces where he TRs both GB and ritoky, then votes Eden again. Says in one post I THINK PALMAR ISNT PLAYING VERY WELL AND NOT LIKELY MAFIA. And then he says to me "Chances are good Palmar is last mafia". Koshi is mafia and you will lose if you don't lynch him. Why would a mafia act confused about missing KP? Seems like a mistake a townie is more likely to make than a mafia. If mafia knew the night actions (as your post assumes they do), then it makes it less likely that a mafia koshi misinterpret the information in the thread. Also, what motivation does mafia Koshi have for wanting to lynch Palmar, if he knew that his team roleblocked him and shot HF/Rso? Your case isn't very good. | ||
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... actually lynched gonzaw, who I thought was mafia before you claimed. which you... didn't do. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote: GB pushed Palmar. What motivation does he have? Palmar has wanted to lynch him since 2 hours into the game and GB's only play the entire game was to rabid-dog OMGUS | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:45 Vivax wrote: So the mafia motivation to help GB doesn't exist? I don't think any sensible mafia player that knows with relative certainty that Palmar is the vig (and knows Palmar the player) would call Palmar scum, regardless of their teammate's predicament. I mean, look at what happened to Eden. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:50 Vivax wrote: So everyone who called Palmar mafia must be town. Sound logic right here rofl that is not what i said but hey, dig your hole deeper, pal. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:55 Vivax wrote: You did say that. Sensible mafia -> doesn't call Palmar scum Koshi called Palmar scum -> He isn't sensible mafia Who's the sensible mafia then yamato? You? | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:52 Vivax wrote: Within 1 minute of distance Koshi says: "If mafia vig ever shoots later on Palmar is mafia" 1 minute later: "I townread Palmar too much to be considering that he carries KP" I understand the second statement to be a hypothetical one in response to a question YOU asked him. The first statement is also a hypothetical. I don't see how stating possible (incorrect) hypotheticals makes someone mafia. | ||
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On April 15 2015 23:59 Vivax wrote: But I called Palmar mafia during D2. Vivax called Palmar scum -> he isn't sensible mafia He isn't sensible mafia -> He's some other kind of mafia. What kind of mafia am I? A really terrible one, we've already established that. | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:00 Vivax wrote: You are an idiot, read any basic experimental design book and come back. Or you're a non-native english speaker trying to argue the finer points of language over a statement made by yet another non-native english speaker from a different country with a third player who is from yet another country, leading to this stupid discussion where you're unable to understand his logic, he's unable to adequately explain it, and I'm unable to convince you that you're just being stupid. OR you're mafia. | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:01 Vivax wrote: I can do this forever yamato. Split your bullshit into syllogisms and just lead you around like a blind dog. this only makes you look worse, pal. | ||
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With over twice as many players (30) in a less spammy metagame. Filter length argument is not a good refutation whatsoever. | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:18 Vivax wrote: Let's take it to the next level, yamato. If you're in lylo with Koshi and Obi, who do you lynch? We'll cross that bridge when we get there. | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:22 Vivax wrote: Apparently you only like to shitfight and not talk reads son Your read was crap. I'm uninterested in considering Obi for at least 60 hours. | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:25 Vivax wrote: No I've already seen enough. I'll quote it for you: "Koshi voted Palmar, I don't know why but he's sensible mafia so he wouldn't push Palmar as mafia" Yamato's read on Koshi, to be saved for lylo. ![[image loading]](http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/182250/resized_bear-grylls-meme-generator-cool-story-bro-you-gonna-drink-your-own-piss-as-well-f6c2d5.jpg) | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:26 Vivax wrote: Then Obi: "I don't know about Obi, I'm uninterested in forming a read on him until lylo even though we already have 146 pages of game" Am I mafia, Vivax? | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:28 Vivax wrote: I'll vote for you if I can't get a majority on Koshi. that means essentially nothing You understand that you're the one getting lynched tomorrow, right? | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote: Only cause Palmar is gonna get NKd. Then you reach the Obi, Koshi and you situation. Yes, I realize how this game could potentiall play out, Vivax. But I don't really believe that you're town, and you're doing basically nothing to prove it. | ||
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On April 16 2015 00:32 Vivax wrote: You have to find it out. I don't have to lick your boots and beg for mercy like you tried to do with me on D2 I called you mafia for how shit your read was but hey, attempt to bait me more. | ||
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I DID LOOK FOR MAFIA and I found one, unlike YOU who only voted for the mafia because YOU didn't want people to lynch ME! (your only scumread since D2) lolololololololololololoololololololololol | ||
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On April 16 2015 09:50 Vivax wrote: Probably the worst argument I've read in this game. It immediately falls apart when the wagons are m/m, which was the case for both D2 and D3 for a mafia yamato. On the contrary after ritoky voted for him GB didn't vote him with him, he voted for me. Then people started moving to GB. Anyway enjoy your town lynch tomorrow. I got the largest filter this game I had 7 pages in Storm, 6 in LVIII. GJ on being fucking awful when reading me is so easy. 13 as mafia in LX 7 in 97 as mafia in Roulette 5/80 in Normal Ass Normal most of your posts this game are also trash, where all you do is bitch, moan, troll, and insult other players | ||
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On April 16 2015 10:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I thought his responses to ritoky were okay. I thought his interactions with Vivax were not. I don't recall him being this way before. Vivax deserves it. | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually, I'm kinda curious how your read changed when you had me as lock town the last time you were talking about me. You said I could almost never be mafia, so how did that change? I don't like how your read on me has evolved over this night. | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why not? Aside from bog standard omgus, of course. I'm magically town and you're so sure of it yet I've really done nothing different tonight and now I'm more suspicious. I've been more active tonight than perhaps any other period in the game than N1, and suddenly your strong townread of me deteriorates? Your play these pasty couple days has been entirely uninspiring as a whole, as well. You definitely aren't confirmed town. | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's not really the case, though. You even noted that my observation was correct, but I'm scummy for bringing it up? How does that work? right =/= town | ||
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On April 16 2015 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It doesn't matter if you think right =/= town or not. If you note that my observation is correct, then why is it that I'm scummier for bringing it up? Do you think only mafia makes that observation there? Why are you assuming that my townread of you was "magical" when I was agreeing with your statement on you being the counterwagon twice? It started before that. | ||
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On April 15 2015 10:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because my experience with his scumgame is that he doesn't give a crap about the game and I'm getting the exact opposite vibe from him. your townread of me started late D3 it was also strange then, and it's never really not been strange. | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand what's strange about it. it's just too... convenient? perfect? idk EVERYONE ELSE has had me as null/scum and you think I'm town? | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:26 Damdred wrote: Yamato, I remember a earlier post from you after the GB lynch I believe where you had obi as more confirmed than me. Was/is it just how his read progressed on you that made you switch me and him? Plus he's REALLY dropped off in activity/interest aside from coming in to say he wants to lynch the mafia everyone wants to lynch. | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:42 Damdred wrote: Doesn't his recent postings though about how he thinks you are mafia sort of disqualify that last part of the statement? Seems to me you are someone the thread generally doesn't want to lynch though obi hasn't been concrete in that just that you are suspicious It also doesn't really make sense. | ||
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On April 16 2015 13:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You even noted that what I said was right and made sense and now it doesn't make sense. THE SCUM READ SHIT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE AFTER THE TOWN READ WHICH IS CONVENIENT | ||
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On April 16 2015 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It was convenient to townread you and then scumread you for different reasons? Okay then. S<JKDFcvf | ||
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On April 16 2015 13:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think this outburst is more likely from town!Yam than anything else so he goes back in the townpile. If anything I think he'd be more likely to play it off or ignore it rather than follow it up so w/e. So I'm back to one of Koshi/Vivax. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ||
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On April 18 2015 00:14 Vivax wrote: Anyway he was right, when you lynch the guy with the largest filter who on top of that has big truoble posting as scum don't complain about losing the game tomorrow. I don't regreat any moment of being a dick, some of you just suck at reading me, with exception of Obi apparently. Now that's something. Your play since it's been clear you were going to be the lynch has been to flail about and bitch, I'm not going to regret lynching you even if I'm wrong. | ||
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On April 18 2015 01:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I have plenty of issues with lynching Vivax, and not just because we have the possibility of being wrong. I don't really trust the two of Koshi/yamato to not lynch me tomorrow if we miss today since they think I've been "too right" so far, which is really lame. Plus Vivax has a really big filter. I probably would lynch you tomorrow at this rate. | ||
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I'm willing to make swag plays to win instead of spite lynching even if I do think you could be mafia. | ||
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On April 18 2015 02:25 Vivax wrote: Obi lynch means you and Koshi will lynch me tomorrow. Koshi is the most volatile in this combination cause he will lynch me no matter his alignment just cause he's Koshi and likes to be an asshole towards me. I promise to actually re evaluate the game or you can just auto lynch me. I'll vote for myself if I don't reread if we get to the lylo you suggest. | ||
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On April 18 2015 02:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Alright. Thirty minutes ago I asked yamato why he would lynch me over Vivax. He's been around but he hasn't given me a reason why. He doesn't have one. ##vote yamato Very cute, but this has nothing to do with you (aside from being lynched) Just go away. | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I really think you don't have reasons. If you rehash the reasons you brought up before then I'm going to laugh in your face and still vote you. Lol you're terrible. | ||
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Very sensible play. Definitely something I need to do. | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote: A) This is mostly wifom. B) I'm not going to accept this as an answer and lie down and get lynched today OR tomorrow. Well, at least you're honest about your motivations. You only care because you've realized you're fucked as mafia in this spot, you're not actually trying to find mafia, you're just trying to avoid getting lynched. | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote: That's the point. I can't lynch you with Koshi alive who is either town who enjoys lynching me or mafia. It's too hard to tell apart given the history. And even then I still don't know if it's Koshi or you. Why isn't it Obi? It is Obi. Or you. But probably Obi. You know why you can't pick between Koshi or me? Because it's neither of us. | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:16 Vivax wrote: Also yamato the argument you apply to Obi for you being town also applies to you. But mafia Obi knows that if I don't get lynched it's not him getting lynched next, it's you. Whereas a mafia you has a good motivation to steer somewhere else cause he knows it's his life on the line after me, when he sees that Dam is wavering. It's really good play from Damdred on this part to not be decisive cause it baited a reaction you can expect from mafia. We lynch you, I as mafia shoot damdred and just win the game with Koshi who hasn't seriously thought I was mafia all game. I have no reason to switch off you, ever. I actually have EVEN LESS reason to change my mind and go to Obi, as he's much harder to get lynched than Koshi in this spot and probably OMGUS's me regardless of alignment because he's a bitch. But seriously, look at how many times he's "changed his mind" about me lately and now he's suddenly "certain" that I'm mafia the SECOND I suggest to you that I don't want to lynch you. He's been the least invested player in this game for days, sitting back while you, Koshi, and I all fight amongst each other. Day 3 he posted so little it was pathetic, and why? It was a pretty pivotal day where either ritoky or I get lynched. He manages to land his vote on mafia but who actually did all the work getting ritoky lynched? Me/Damdred. Since then, where are his strong reads? He's literally so background it's retarded. At the start of today, HE DIDN'T EVEN THINK I WAS SCUM, but as you can see from what he just posted, he's started to care more about the fact that he's going to get lynched and now thinks I'm scum because "I don't have reasons" (trololol fucking stupidest thing ever) | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lol, sure. Just like I've been pushing Vivax as possible town and looking for an alternative all day. There is only scum motivation for that. Totally. BECAUSE ITS OBVIOUS WHAT HAPPENS YOU LOSE AT LYLO | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't see why me not wanting to get lynched at lylo is alignment indicative. If I don't believe Vivax is scum and the endgame results in me being lynched, why is that only scum!Obi instead of town!Obi looking for an alternative? Town Obi would actually find mafia instead of waffling about and dicking around with Vivax all day trying to look like he gives a shit when he's struggled to find the motivation to post ever since he bussed his last teammate. | ||
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On April 17 2015 16:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I just filter dove yamato for like 2 hours and I feel like I wasted my time. I mean, what the fuck is shit like this? You read my filter for two hours and come away with NO CONCLUSION?!? And now I'm CERTAIN MAFIA?! just lol | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You wouldn't even vote Gb to save yourself on day 2 when me/damdred/palmar stepped up and lynched him and you're saying I'm uninvested. What a fucking joke. WHY WOULDN'T I JUST VOTE GB AS MAFIA?! LOOK AT ALL THE CRED IT'S GIVEN YOU! | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Like I haven't been filter diving and playing all of today. -.- NO CONCLUSIONS you literally have shit to show for it you can't even come up with an idea of why I'm mafia hey look I have reasons now, are you going to unvote me? | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This is the most hilarious defense I've ever heard. Not in a bad way. I just think it's kinda funny. it is hilarious it's a joke to think that I, as mafia, would sit there with my vote on town Vivax and not just bus my teammate for dem easy creds (as you obviously did) I mean, if ANYONE should have been bussed on a GB/ritoky/Yamato team, it would be me. I was legitimately in position to be lynched D2, yet GB didn't vote me? why? SL even tried to make it happen Because it was an orchestrated bus. And why wouldn't I switch in a situation like that, where it's literally FREE CRED for me to land on a GB lynch to make it even LESS LIKELY, ritoky voted for who on D2? Me. On April 12 2015 12:36 Hapahauli wrote: Let me count the votes: Koshi (1) - Koshi Vivax (1) - Yamato77 Damdred (0) - Eden (0) - Palmar (0) - GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Ritoky (1) - Sicklucker Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear until deadline. Currently GlowingBear is set to be lynched. fucking owned. | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I bussed my teammate for easy cred when there were more alternatives, including staying on you? Cool. Is it really so implausible that you and GB double-bussed D2? | ||
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On April 12 2015 12:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yamato if you leave I'm just going to lynch you anyway. I'm already upset with you for not playing. this post is still lynchworthy | ||
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like A LOT alot hm maybe it is Koshi... | ||
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On April 12 2015 08:46 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Palmar. I am too tired and lacklustered to do anything about it. If yamato is mafia. Vivax is town. If yamato is town, Vivax is mafia. Palmar is mafia. Always. On April 12 2015 08:47 Koshi wrote: And I say the above with no intention to stop the lynch on yamato. You guys can have it. On April 12 2015 08:48 Koshi wrote: From flips I think it is Palmar/Vivax. But w.e On April 12 2015 08:55 Koshi wrote: A very faint one. I don't want him lynched per se. On April 12 2015 09:08 Koshi wrote: How GB can ever be mafia in this game is beyond me. On April 12 2015 09:08 Koshi wrote: Why was rsoultin killed? She had Vivax as mafia and GB as top town....................................................... w.e I am super tired. I am going to bed. On April 12 2015 09:11 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Koshi I am clueless. Eden is town due to stuff I don't know and actually also don't believe. Palmar is vigi? Vivax is town????? Nha. Those 3 are my mafia. But I have 0 confidence atm. This is not a selfvote but more of a i cba to vote anybody vote. So if it wasn't a planned bus, it's Koshi, I guess. | ||
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On April 12 2015 07:46 ritoky wrote: is the sheep palmar onto gb just not happening? cuz I will vote yamato in that case. or eden. This is the only post I could really find that supported my idea of a planned bus. Hmph. | ||
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lol I so wanted it to be Vivax. | ||
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On April 18 2015 04:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Maybe. I was planning on writing about him during the end of day 3 but then he kind of got angry and I didn't really think that scum!Koshi would get angry like that. It's based on very little but I've never seen him wear his emotions on his sleeve as mafia before. emotional tells are bad | ||
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On April 18 2015 04:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It probably is Koshi, isn't it? It probably is. | ||
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I will relook at the game if you flip town but it kinda has to be you, Koshi. | ||
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On April 18 2015 09:51 Damdred wrote: Yomato what made you decide Obi is town here? A D2 reread. | ||
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On April 18 2015 10:07 Damdred wrote: I'll be home in an hour at most. Yamato what about d2 sealed the deal? Just they talked a lot Obi and GB that is. Obi what drastically changed your mind in detail please about Koshi. Vivax where do you want to go and why A lot of Koshi's D2 play was also horrendous. I hadn't noticed just how bad until I reread it, but it looks like mafia. | ||
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Zz. I am not posting tonight whatsoever. | ||
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Never not lynch Vivax. | ||
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In fact, it could only help. The shot before LYLO is one of the most informative ever in mafia. | ||
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If he's town, what do we expect him to do? | ||
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Who do we expect him to go after? Do we expect him to put in more work? Will he now be active? How does he follow up "I like all the talking, but I'm still suspicious! But I'll totes sheep that lynch."? | ||
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On April 19 2015 04:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's not that I don't want to, I just don't understand why I have to be the one answering them. ...? | ||
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I'd like to know your reads sometime today. | ||
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you don't know and don't care to actually make a real decision or find out, so you'll settle for either #mafiastrats | ||
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On April 19 2015 06:22 Vivax wrote: Or maybe I just want to survive as town, you funny guy. Not to mention the massive swag I get from lynching that dumb tunneler. It's like a personal victory over Koshi. I don't even care if this sounds terrible but it was a massive ego boost. Yet you pussied about even after obi/me townread each other about it and don't really seem all that interested in this game even at this juncture. | ||
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On April 19 2015 06:24 Vivax wrote: Thanks for that yamato btw. Anyway the tinfoil on Damdred starts cause I feel his questions are becoming redundant. It's like he just pokes randomly about things that to me seem super obvious. I don't wanna speculate too much since the NK is going to make the game easier. But if anyone besides him gets killed tonight you should start going full tinfoil. I think Eden jailed Damdred btw, and scum RB Palmar based on Eden's post N1 breadcrumb. yet mafia used 2 KP N1 and the last mafia alive is the vig, so it can't be damdred I solved that a while. | ||
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On April 19 2015 06:25 Vivax wrote: I got 21 pages of filter son. Do I have to quote all the townies who said that the guy with the largest filter is almost never mafia? You can remove the almost given my scum history. My care level is massive and post amount is an irrefutable fact. the fact that you keep saying this about your game makes it less convincing every time. | ||
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and the 2 people mafia killed N1 scumread you. | ||
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On April 19 2015 06:28 Vivax wrote: So you're 100 % Obi can't be mafia? Cause you already push me as if you have made the decision and won't sway no matter what and that's odd. I'm not saying he can't be mafia, but I do think you're quite a bit more likely at this point. If it's Obi, what do you make of what I said about him yesterday? | ||
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"I don't want to worry about scum tonight" | ||
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no? I posted from work even though I really shouldn't have. | ||
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JUST CONCEDE IT'S OVER :D | ||
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mafia can no kill and town can no lynch trololololol great setup | ||
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On April 20 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote: Yamato I thought the stuff you said about Damdred through again and revisited Eden's filter. We actually can't be certain who he jailed. He says two different things and I didn't spot a bread crumb that says for certain who he jailed. So? | ||
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On April 20 2015 07:36 Vivax wrote: Yea I'm pretty sure I want to scratch Obi as mafia, wouldn't mind losing to him being more active than the other two and actually putting the most meaningful votes on scum. 1 down. like this is just bad real bad | ||
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It's not even the best reasoning at this stage in the game, really, to be scratching someone off a list of potential mafia. Damdred has been arguably more instrumental in pushing mafia lynches through and has many more things going for him than you do in terms of being read town, IMO, so it just seems completely illogical to leave him in the pool and take you out instead. Mainly I'm just convinced it's Vivax. It could be you, but it's probably Vivax. Almost never Damdred. | ||
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On April 23 2015 08:56 Vivax wrote: Gathered anything while being around? Today is the day of winning so I'd expect some more discourse than the last few days. Yamato apparently decided I'm mafia long ago and feels it' the safest option for him. No point in trying to reread and find out if you're wrong. Right, yamato? damdred is literally confirmed town by the N1 actions, I've explained this in my filter also you've been scum all game so there's that also WHO THE FUCK SHOOTS OBI?! LOLOL | ||
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On April 23 2015 09:34 Vivax wrote: He's only confirmed if you knew the actions. If scum fake - RBd him then he isn't. I already said that. Bad memory or tmi yamato? Tell me how you KNOW that he has been jailed, show me the posts in Edens filter. so you believe scum fake-rbed with a claimed vig and a jailkeeper in the game? | ||
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On April 10 2015 13:27 Eden1892 wrote: no bluz online o well. just quote this post and look at it | ||
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On April 24 2015 06:16 Vivax wrote: Did he post that reagrding Palmar? yes | ||
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On April 24 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote: You didn't even look at Yamato all you did was take a fee of ny posts and post them. You didn't look at ANY of the other parts of the day. Or talk about Yamato whatsoever. All you did since before Obi died was start the shadow on me. well, to be fair you haven't seemed too terribly interested in finding the last mafia ever since ritoky died you've just... been here. | ||
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On April 24 2015 06:51 Damdred wrote: Good God I've had finals sick and at work. This has been one of my only chances to be here. I really disagree that I haven't been trying to find mafia after ritoky. I pressured people, I thought it was vivax or a side of Obi. I voted for vivax People went to Koshi. Then no shot happened Most of the discussion was driven by me or Vivax, actually. | ||
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On April 09 2015 11:58 Damdred wrote: I think this is my favorite part of what I've read about DR,( I hate playing with smurfs and DR you should just claim honestly if you are town and care about the game going forward. ) One thing that I do like is the effort he puts in on some of his read posts, his Vivax read I disagree with and he says koshi already made a similar read and I'm trying to determine whether hes just parroting to look better as scum or hes actually doing things as town. I just don't see a lot of scum motivation going after Palmar like he did early or pushing Vivax when it was him on the block. blegh just blegh | ||
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On April 10 2015 04:56 GlowingBear wrote: It doesn't matter, I thought this was your plan before you disclosed your reads, that's why I was so bold asking people to join it You didn't reveal your intention but by being dodgy on not choosing a team shows that my idea WASN'T your intention. Commenting on other things: I think the scum team is palmar/Damdred/Eden Palmar tried to get me lynched over poor arguments. His pushes weren't pushes that tried to uncover my alignment. He just used an early post and pointed fingers at me. His questions were mostly rethorical. He didn't actively tried to evaluate my overall gameplay by navigating my filter. This is a Mafia trying to look like and aggressive townie. More than that, he came just after I was suspecting Damdred, in a poor way to discredit my pushes on him. Damdred has his Mafia meta all over. Passive, disinterested, distorting facts, wishy washy. He knows my fameplay very well, he didn't have any evidence of one of my metas to start calling me Mafia so soon. He has the same stance as palmar: calls me Mafia but doesn't try to uncover my alignment. Doesn't ask me direct questions. He simply calls me Mafia and there's that. More than this, Damdred KNOWS I 180 as town A LOT but scumreads me for that. This single fact already shows that Damdred is certainly Mafia. Eden is more like unflipped association, I admit. Palmar having double standards on my entrance an his is very indicative. Why was he ignoring Eden when he mostly did the same as me? With that, there is damdred faintly pushing Eden, but never actually trying to get him lynched. Damdred's vote stayed on me. Never on Eden. This "I would lynch GB or Eden but I prefer GB" is bullshit. Added to that, Eden's overall gameplay is uninspiring and his first list post reveals a complete apathy to the game. His weirdest townread was on palmar, that basically said "I haven't read him but he seems to be doing stuff". This is a very fabricated townread out of no good reason. He doesn't read me and call me null. Why? His reads only got more substance after he was being called out, which is exactly what I would expect Mafia to do. Now, I find obi suspicious for trying to get me revealing HF's game. It felt like he understood the purpose and was trying to get me talking so he could get away from not joining in. His insistence was just unnatural and his focus on only talking about it felt like he didn't care to give more information from him. Vivax has been very uninspiring too and he has an okay shot on being Mafia. I have yet to read his filter to form a solid read though. Koshi looks town to me now. Yes, he made a flawed case on me, but he actually tried to uncover my alignment by filter diving me and getting more information from what I post, which is townie. It reveals effort. His reads also feels original. RSoultin looks town because she is actively posting and is inquisitive. She looks like she is actually trying to solve the game. The only down point is that she isn't taking strong stances. Like her attitude on "ok, we are lunching gb. Why?". If I am her obvious town read I would expect a stronger stance here. HF was looking town until his game thing wasn't the thing I thought it was. His defense on me is weird and his push on Dread is completely off. Lunching the guy because he didn't reveal his name is silly. And by lunching him, he keeps me alive and the discussion wether I'm Mafia or not goes on. In the other hand, his attempts to tease me by calling me useless and awful sounded townie, since he knows I'm sensible to that shit and if I'm town I would be on his neck for this. This attempt to uncover my alignment looks townie to me. So, I have to evaluate him better. does mafai GB double bus super hard or call his mafia partner "uninspiring" doesn't even mention ritoky in this post LOL zzz the WIFOM is real | ||
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On April 10 2015 05:09 Holyflare wrote: zzzzz yamato and obiwan most uninspiring players ever fuckin HF man we coulda lynched Vivax D1 and now I'm going to not lynch him again. at LYLO. Even though I've wanted to lynch him ALL FUCKING GAME jesus I'm fucked. | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:07 Holyflare wrote: I don't hold a grudge against you yamato. You led the town down the dark path of lynching a towny. It's frustrating and you're taking your anger out on me. I get it, you shirk your own failures onto the next best target that is under pressure. You're a coward. It's ok. I don't hold it against you. I'm not going to needlessly call you mafia for organising the mislynch and forcing people into it. I played a part in it to and I put my own resent for idiots ahead of a mafia lynch. I admit that. Shhhh now. Sleep young one. I shall lead you to redemption. WHY DIDN'T YOU LET ME SWAP TO VIVAX??!?!??!?!? | ||
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On April 10 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: Have a good night hopefully the vigi is someone sensibleVivax best shot Damdred probably good shot Palmar mafia Obi probably mafia Someone in that list is wrong but being bad so don't really care. If you wanna yolo you can yolo gb. Shooting me will solve nothing other than mafia palmar/obi etc agenda and as you just saw palmar is ready for the field day my flip will bring. Damdred is stuck in the past. Made a big post on him about his reads not fluidly updating. Don't know if afking in part due to being mafia or not but feels off and not cool damdy. Obi's only scum read in this entire game is apparently me (and gb lolololol yeh can see that from his 0 reasons) and he flat out refuses to explain why about me to anyone. If I die make him explain his read. If it involves anything in Palmar's case lynch him with absolute fire because he scum read me before Palmar's case and those events even happened. Vivax absolutely a waste of space and when threatened with vig shot trolled and his only scum read is... Ritoky....? Get the fuck outta here. Palmar is pushing false information. Really just read his case and then the events of the deadline. He says I'm just pushing my interpretation of events but that's not true. He selectively pulled out quotes from my filter to fit his mafia narrative case and left out all the quotes where i perfectly explained myself. Check out his you scum read gb and then town read him for no reason thing. I had so many reasons that I repeated many times. Check it plz plz plz. Never ever follow yamato. Pick someone with a sensible list like rsoul. She has a good game sense and jk should absolutely be on her tonight. Her list was one of the ones I agreed the most on. Don't lynch rsoul/ritoky/probablyonegu/koshi was completely absent today but townyish d1 so don't let him fall off but otherwise keep him here Be absolutely wary of yamato since he is pushing me for palmars case but he was the one commandeering the dr lynch and forcing people onto it too. He said he'd try hard as any alignment and last time he tried he got town read all d1 by people but was mafia. Eden super underwhelming but not really sure if mafia at all. Seems pretty carefree to be mafia at the moment. Gb list post was super mediocre and contained barely any relevant game info but it's hard to hate it when all the scummy ppl pushed him and it kinda aligned with my/rsoul list. HF please, help me in my dark time this post wasn't what I wanted it to be | ||
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On April 10 2015 08:10 Palmar wrote: yamato thinks you're mafia too. If we're both town HF, we have basically thrown this game. We should be made to play a newbie game to repent. dammit palmar | ||
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On April 24 2015 07:17 Damdred wrote: Saddest thing is I've never won a Lylo as town and I probably never will. I guess we are lynching,me just on d1 stuff which sucks but I'll keep the stuff why I wanted out of this game in till after game it's really unfair to say things like this IMO emotional manipulation 2stronk | ||
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On April 10 2015 09:55 GlowingBear wrote: .:Damdred is Mafia:. Ridiculous excuse to not give reads. Town Damdred never hides reads. And he has pulled this bullshit before as Mafia. Read me as Mafia because I flipped my read on him when he KNOWS I DO THIS ALL THE TIME AS TOWN Says this post of Eden is bad when this is null indicative just to have something to call Eden scummy for. Fabricated. Bolded is Damdred telling a lie since he knows I can bring very solid arguments to lynch people. Check mission Mafia and Titanic mafia VI. Complete overreaction considering he never actually strong townread dread as town. Fabricated. And this is where Damdred is right. He knows my gameplay too well. So fucking well that it is impossible for him to misinterpret my posts in the way he is doing, and calling me scum for reasons he KNOWS doesn't make me scummy. He calls me Mafia, palmar comes to his help, he follows up palmar with bad reasoning. He is just finding a purpose to get me lynched instead of actually trying to solve the game. Which means he is fighting for a mislynch and not actually thinking about the game. He is Mafia. alright, so GB is definitely on this damdred thing would he seriously just OMGUS two strong townies calling him mafia? ugh | ||
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On April 10 2015 10:12 Onegu wrote: Is the GB/Damdred hard bus on each other real? I don't know you tell me! Still have Eden and koshi as scum though fuckin' onegu also plz just let me spam I realize I'm like quintuple posting but it's LYLO and fuck it | ||
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On April 24 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote: Nah I'm expecting to get lynched its why I'm here. My d1 was horrible night1-3 was great I feel. N4 it was ok, past that I've sucked the truth is vivax started this throwing,things my way then and eliminating Obi from conversation. It sucks but it a true damdy, damdy, damdy | ||
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because I'm too fucking biased to look at his play objectively | ||
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On April 10 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote: hruuuuuum making me itchy with all this jk talk there hf i'm not sure if it's a good or a bad itchy either -_- okay i promised updated reads with actual filter dives...so instead of doing happy lynch/shoot damdy/vivax dances i'll do that...then maybe the happy lynch/shoot damdy/vivax dances lolol wifi is on the fritz so yeah...joyfulness both HF and rso seemed to scumread both damdred and vivax real useful N1 NK analysis. yes. | ||
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zzzzzz bro, if you're town, next time just replace out or something. | ||
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On April 10 2015 13:15 yamato77 wrote: Vivax is easily the best lynch. Palmar isn't scum tho. GB probably is. quoted for posterity man I should just listen to myself | ||
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On April 10 2015 13:31 Damdred wrote: Can you explain what you mean a bit more to me obi before I sleep. Also idk if jk was being offensive or if was scum but was rb during the night hrm ugh meh why? | ||
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On April 10 2015 18:15 Vivax wrote: All the points are true, you're a real idiot if you don't see it. maaaaaaaaaaaan it would make me feel SO MUCH BETTER if you were just mafia SO MUCH BETTER | ||
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On April 11 2015 01:25 GlowingBear wrote: Can the Mafia team roleblock themselves? what the acual fuck | ||
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On April 11 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote: Which can point out to Damdred's rb claim be fake So the Mafia team can still have palmar and Damdred. what. the. fuck. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh | ||
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On April 11 2015 02:26 GlowingBear wrote: I said I don't want to speculate on unreliable information, but palmar being scum vigi and being jailed and, therefore, not able to shoot, and scum roleblocker wasting his roleblock on one of the dead townies (mainly HF, who hinted he was JK but was also strongly scumread by a possible vigi) and you taking the chance to claim being roleblocked without a counterclaim and therefore distancing yourself from palmar. This looks very plausible to me the WIFOM is so real OMG I can't handle it fuuuuuuuuck | ||
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SUCK FUCKING BUS they interacted CONSTANTLY | ||
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On April 12 2015 03:55 Vivax wrote: It's ok just cut down on the pictures and start playing please. If you are busy announce the time when you are around, and in the time when you're around do some work. I'm not confident into you being anything until you start delivering. If you're town you're an asset to mafia in this moment so time to change that. Not by answering what others want you to but by actually having an own direction. is this how town talks to a scumread? uuuuuuuuuuugh | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:43 Damdred wrote: I'm voting yamato currently I really like the points. damdred no no damdred don't do it | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:46 sicklucker wrote: Actually vivax case is bad if you believe edens town. but ill still vote sicklucker's valuable contribution | ||
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On April 12 2015 04:59 Vivax wrote: Unrelated to his filter which I didn't reread today: Scum yamato who is unable to be wrong as scum means Eden is likely mafia yes. da fuq | ||
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ugh it's so goooood | ||
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On April 12 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: Hi. I took a post-lunch nap and the nap took me 6 hours. Because why not? Anyway, I took my time to read HF's and Rsoultin's filter and they had very similar reads. I realised they were probably on the right track and got killed for that. Specially HF who has been suspicious day1 but has enough thread presence to guarantee a lynch on his target. They were suspicious basically on Palmar, Obi and Vivax. Which I realised is an okay scum team. Obi has no thread influence. He comes by, shuts down discussion and never moves thread forward. He just give random reads that are mostly off, but doesn't clearly has a scum target. He says he wants to lynch both me and ritoky but does nothing in that regard. He conviently lays back and let the rest of the game move on. His insistence of having me revealing HF's game content was weird, as I pointed out before. Palmar and Vivax flipped their reads conviently too. Vivax decided palmar isn't town after night2 and palmar decided Vivax is town. Neither of them is doing anything with this. Vivax is pushing an AFK yamato wagon, and although yamato has a shot on being Mafia (since we could in fact be in a TvT scenario with Mafia laying back), these reactions fits this team completely. And yes, I'm assuming I could be tunnelled on Damdy. He still could be Mafia, but I took a step back and I can see him coming from a town perspective. But I can't vote yamato when he is voting him too. I think the best lynch today should be obi, and I'm voting him. ##Vote:obi this switch off scumreading damdred is really weird then again, he's also calling Vivax mafia for absolute shit tier reasons as well GB posts not useful enough, too WIFOM | ||
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On April 12 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote: DAMDY PLEASE LISTEN I AM TOWN HERE, YOU'RE TUNNELED, PLEASE READ MY ARGUMENTS AGAINST OBI AND VOTE HIM : / | ||
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On April 12 2015 14:03 Eden1892 wrote: Wow shit yes it's ritoky/Vivax. Just looked at votes. No way it's anybody else if you assume obi is town (which is a pretty good assumption). - It's not anybody who was around to hammer Obi and didn't. (Palmar, Damdred, yamato, sicklucker) - It's especially not sicklucker who's un-cc'd jailer. - It's not Koshi (I think) because this still seems like his town game. I admit he's possible but there's no way I lynch him unless we haven't won by the time the other 2 are dead AND he's alive AND he stopped being townie in the meantime. - It's not Obi because I assume he is town because GB had a hard-on trying to kill him to save himself instead of Vivax or yamato. - It's not me cuz I'm special. not a bad post | ||
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On April 13 2015 11:57 Damdred wrote: Hi everyone I just got home from my shift of doom and I wanted to put some thoughts into the thread in case I die by some wifom kill tonight. As such here we go. Day one we had this vote as our final vote, will put hard confirmed by flips.lynches into this first one. Vivax (1) - DreadReturn GlowingBear (2) - Damdred, Palmar, Eden1892 (2) - Yamato77, Ritoky, Damdred (1) - GlowingBear, DreadReturn (7) - Vivax, Koshi, HolyFlare, Onegu, ObiWanShinobi, Eden1892, Rsoultin, Next blue claims and i'm coloring myself green because confirmed to myself and I think my GB push and lynching mafia is pretty good ^_-. Just a couple of thoughts before I go to the day 2 vote count to see some things. I don't believe that the DR wagon can be entirely town based, I think at least one mafia was on that way. Like really sure that mafia was either in a position to afk or jumped off at some point after the wagon gained enough votes for them to shenanigans onto someone else without much consequence I'll come back to that thought and go into a bit more detail near the end. Koshi (1) - Koshi Vivax (1) - Yamato77 GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear Once again confirmed people colored in and I colored myself green. To start off my thoughts. Its interesting to me that Ritoky voted on Yamato like he did. The choices were (obi and myself were on Yamato at the time) help Palmar push GB when he wasn't in the thread, vote Vivax with Yamato (who ritoky was previously town reading) or vote Yamato with Vivax, Obi and Damdred. He says he really likes Palmars case the best out of all of this but decides to push Yamato ahead, as I mentioned before Ritoky had a hard hard town read on Yamato previously in D1 but decides to vote him d2 even though he has little to no interaction with him and even though he loves the GB case presented by Palmar and knows his town read Damdred would jump on a GB lynch he doesn't go that way onto confirmed mafia and instead he jumps onto Yamato pushing him ahead of Vivax 4-3 or 4-3-1 ahead of Vivax and GB at this point. He then goes back to afk land. I think this heavily implies that Ritoky who would normally go against the grain in this situation and vote his favorite case instead of one that he thinks just isn't bad is scum in this scenario. I don't see any other way after re-reading how the voting went down. I know its been pointed out before but the way Ritoky went about the vote D1 is strange as well, (and feeds into my above point) he was so strongly town reading yamato at that point he was following him wherever he went even if it meant not jumping onto GB who he admittedly wanted to at that point in time. Has to be Ritoky here I think based on association and his weird progression on voting Yamato. I also think if Ritoky is mafia it clears Yamato a bit since Ritoky hammered him basically and there was little to no push to move the vote off Yamato. This is a bit weaker at this point especially since he keeps fading in and out of afk land but I think it makes me not want to lynch him if Ritoky flips scum. Koshi (1) - Koshi Vivax (1) - Yamato77 GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear Now we get to the bit of a logical leap about what happened with the votes. There are only three partners that I think Ritoky/GB can potentially have with how the vote went down. The most likely due to how the votes spontaneously moved about would be Vivax. When myself and Obi moved from Yamato to GB at that point in time we effectively hammered Vivax with that move, even though votes are tied it switches from 4-3-1 (Yamato, Vivax, GB) to 3-3-2 (Vivax, GB, Yamato) if we hadn't of had GB start pushing obi at that point Eden wouldn't of moved to obi more than likely and Vivax would of been lynched. What is the motivation though to flip a lynch from town Vivax to town Obi if you lynch yourself? I don't think that there is motivation in doing this if you can't guarantee your own survival if both are town, I just don't see it. The only scenario that makes sense to me is that Vivax is a more powerful/important scum team member and GB was trying to save the RB at that junction of the game. It makes the most sense with how the vote went. The second partner that makes sense is Eden with the ferocity that he tried to hit the votes off of GB and onto Obi. It could very well be Eden was doing that, but I have a hard time that scum Eden would hard align himself with partner GB like that. The third scenario is that Obi bussed GB into the ground and GB was trying to give him as much cred as possible to take into the end game for the hard carry. This is slightly more likely than 2 especially with how fake the push from GB felt and how contrived it felt also. But I also don't want to give this much thought until we see what Ritoky/Vivax flip at this point without new information. Koshi (1) - Koshi Vivax (1) - Yamato77 GlowingBear (3) - Palmar, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Sicklurker Yamato77 (2) - Vivax, ritoky ObiWanShinobi (2) - Eden, GlowingBear the green on Eden probably is the lightest and obi is probably the most tinfoil at this moment as a last resort that I don't really believe when he could of hammered Yamato over scum partner GB. sick post how the fuck can this guy really be mafia? | ||
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On April 09 2015 12:07 ritoky wrote: lol you serious, you just convinced me onto DR ritoky didn't want to switch to vivax | ||
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On April 14 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote: i mean it puts vivax on exactly scum RB as a role, which is an ambitious claim for a couple reasons: 1) does mafia really think that would go unnoticed? 2) is GB really a team player over a selfish mafia player? 3) does the mafia think they can push a lynch on someone other than vivax if it is uncovered? to answer my own questions, the mafia team is probably not stupid enough to make such a blatant play, GB doesn't strike me as the kinda player to save his teammates over himself, and look who every1 is trying to lynch. i don't really know what the point of what i just typed is, but w/e it is what i thought when i read it. more sick WIFOM this scum team yo | ||
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On April 14 2015 14:58 yamato77 wrote: To elaborate on my thoughts on ritoky, I really can't say with any degree of certainty one way or the other, BUT I do think he's played quite different later in the game than he did early and the change isn't a good one. HOWEVER, I had a really strong townread D1 and it's hard to ignore that even on D3. So yeah, I said I'd lynch him because he's certainly possible mafia. A huge towncase on Obi is not convincing whatsoever. It's actually kinda scummy that instead of looking at people that have a higher chance of being scum, ritoky chose to use his efforts calling Obi town when GB just yelled for his lynch all of yesterday. I find it interesting that Vivax really hasn't posted much of anything besides calling me scum. Is he capable of posting big posts calling me mafia with horrible confirmation bias and then throwing shit at a wall repeatedly as scum? Absolutely. His posts about OTHER THAN ME are markedly few and far between and seem quite lower quality. I only offered him the olive branch in an attempt to rid myself of tunneling him and he hasn't played along whatsoever. Koshi's posting today LOOKS really townie in a "I'm going to post a bunch and look like I'm figuring out the game" sort of way while maintaining a consistent attitude in terms of how he's treating his interaction with me and my read on him. I don't think it's him. So yeah, I'm back at ritoky/Vivax. shoulda listened to myself, man I'm actually good | ||
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On April 14 2015 17:40 Vivax wrote: It's Koshi and yamato. All I gotta say. lynch is obviously between me/ritoky ritoky actually trying pretty hard to not die vivax votes me instead if Damdred was the bus master, why did both mafia players try so hard to not get lynched? | ||
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On April 15 2015 04:02 Vivax wrote: No thx I'm already doing five times the game diving of y'all, it's time to step it up we need to lynch mafia or lose lol sick dodge vivax | ||
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On April 15 2015 04:12 Vivax wrote: Ok, I'll autopilot on ritoky then and not take any responsibility for the outcome. Reads are ticked in and if I was right you were bad. ##Unvote ##Vote ritoky GL, I'm out. Shit game. lolwtf it has to be you, Vivax this is just so horrid omg | ||
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if I'm wrong, so be it. | ||
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hello? | ||
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Idk. His play today is really weird. I think he set it up like this since last night. He knew he couldn't be in LYLO with me/obi because we townread each other his only play was a WIFOM attempt here with you being the scum it's pretty odd | ||
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On April 24 2015 12:41 Damdred wrote: Yes its weird but I'm kinda impressed by vivax changing his meta so much this would be the thing that gave me pause if he literally didn't mention it every other post | ||
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I don't think it is though | ||
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I lost to an amazing bus fuck | ||
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like ugh man. | ||
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fuck really? fuck. | ||
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On April 24 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote: ^^; the biggest clue was when he claimed to be rb'd in my opinion? of course i came at him hard from the beginning cause his play was awful, but that claim... like no jk ever saves damdy just like no scumteam ever rbs/nks him he was playing like complete shit day 1 not sure why anyone in their right mind believed that claim >< yeeeeah idk | ||
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