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Vivax
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On April 17 2015 01:54 Koshi wrote: Just autovote Vivax and afk till deadline. All dead townies said Vivax was mafia so nobody can even blame us. Easiest D4 lynch in your life. All dead townies don't have a vote. | ||
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On April 17 2015 02:05 Damdred wrote: Ok so, an afk vote goes aganst what I believe in as mafia especially considering tomorrow would be lylo. Do not get chippy or beligerant and you can copy paste if you want Vivax. But I want you to decide who you want to lynch today be it Yamato or Koshi and update your case if you need to be or just copy paste it if you think its 100% viable without any of the new information and I will listen and ask questions. You could ask Koshi why he said that Onegu is taking the easy way out on D2 . HE won't respond to me and so won't yamato so if you wanna interact with them it's up to you cause they got excuses to not talk with me ever since the start of the game (talking about koshi here). Best I can do is post about more static things and hope they go through. Point stands that D2 yamato used mostly people's reads to read them and point stands what I said about koshi last night in the huge post. Point also stands Koshi voted for himself D2 when it must have been a critical day for scum since at some point the votes were tied 2-2 between GB and ritoky and Koshi really flipped between a lot of targets and if it didn't work he flipped to the next. Namely Eden, Palmar, myself and he called Palmar town before flipping to him. | ||
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So, how does that thing make people scum? Koshi -> All scum read GB that way Eden was town Hence Koshi is wrong | ||
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On April 17 2015 20:46 Koshi wrote: oh pls. Palmar never said anywere you were town. Incorrect | ||
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On April 13 2015 07:22 Palmar wrote: Shut up Eden. Vivax is not mafia. Later he only adds me cause he trusts Damdred, he said he'd sheep him. | ||
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On April 18 2015 00:58 yamato77 wrote: Your play since it's been clear you were going to be the lynch has been to flail about and bitch, I'm not going to regret lynching you even if I'm wrong. If you think you're wrong is the better question | ||
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On April 18 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote: I'm willing to listen at this point honestly, id rather win than lynch in anger Step 1: PoE me. Am I really able to play like this as scum (- the anger)? If you can't answer this go to step 2. Step 2: At this point we have 2 people really trying to play this day. You and Obi keep asking questions. There can be a degree of scum motivation to do that as the scum knows that after my flip they have to look townie enough to win the lylo, but overall this started during the last night for Obi already and his hammer of GB (You tend to disgress but even though the technical hammer was Eden I think that it was a decisive vote in that lynch) makes me think he's townie. He's also very active. Step 3: Where I've been at for a long time so far. Yamato and Koshi both blow into the same trumpet since ever. Koshi more than yamato. Koshi has been scumreading me since D1 (!). First for no reasons, then saying it's a fake push with the swim instructor joke, then simply adding what he could find on the way to keep scumreading me. I think this is crucial as reading Storm mafia which you played in you will remember he was waaaay more lenient towards me. He even allowed me to survive a day and lynch you on the premise that if my target doesn't flip scum, I will be lynched. There are also examples of town Koshi tunneling the town me really believing it. Marv was in that game and I ended up scumreading Koshi and marv told me all the time that such insane play can almost never come from scum. Long story short we were both town. Before Storm mafia. On this you will have to take my word for it cause I don't want to search through all my games with the broken filter function etc. But scum Koshi isn't that aggressive towards me. In the last scum game I remember he was actually very passive, almost friendly even when lynching me and that happened at points that coincided with a thread sentiment wanting to lynch me. I'm kind of drifting off here for the purpose of giving you my experience with him but it still leads to the big dilemma: Dilemma 1: Koshi made it so he "roleplayed" scumreading me since the start of the game. He managed to keep it at a level where it didn't seem serious when I tried to get some sort of harder committment with this: On April 08 2015 23:04 Vivax wrote: Koshi would you allow yourself to get lynched if I flip town? On April 08 2015 23:09 Koshi wrote: I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water. Do you know this dilemma? Some guy keeps calling you scum. When you ask if it's serious he dodges. All D1 posts just say "his posts are off" as a justification which just gives an out for him if he decides to say it wasn't serious, or some sort of strat. You are stuck in a vacuum cause Koshi doesn't commit, he just says, he doesn't justify, he doesn't specifiy if it's serious or not. All game long. I don't think there has been an instance where Koshi thought I was town in the thread. You never know if he's just an asshole who decided pre-game that scumreading you would be fun, or if he thinks that what he does is right. The only real moment Koshi seems to thrive on me is NOW. He's way less erratic. When he posts he posts about me. When he gets asked questions he directs it to a post that doesn't allow further discussion. What changed? It changed that now he has a real chance of lynching me and yet ALL game long he managed to keep up a weak scumread on me that never went anywhere and barely triggered responses until now that he has to keep the foot on the gas pedal to actually achieve his lynch. HE didn't try to hit the gas pedal this hard earlier. Dilemma (2) yamato: This guy doesn't play much, his reads never have much value, objectively speaking. As mafia he just sort of goes into the abyss quickly. But he learned to appear townie on D1 and then stops playing at some point. Last game where he was mafia most people TR him D1 and then lynched him after D2 he said "No time sorry playing Smash bros". I didn't actually even scumread him that game. But the afking is strongly indicative and I already quoted older games where he has a different style of posting reads AND is more active, and he replied something along the lines "Well things have changed". Summary of Dilemmas leads to this: I HAVE NO IDEA WHO OF THEM IS MORE LIKELY TO BE SCUM, CAUSE ONE IS A FUCKING IDIOT. Which is what angers me all this time. It isn't even that much Damdred as the fact that Koshi falls back into his stupid pattern of scumreading me every game and it's amazing if he's actually town cause that proves he's resistant to learning , ie stupid. And yamato says all the time that I am policy lynch for being a dick, no, actually they both say that I am to be policy lynched and you will NEVER find out who of them is scum simply cause one is so incredibly dumb or an asshole, by not creating a contrast. The best I can do is speculate that Koshi is the asshole cause he does that every game. Literally. But he also has a huge filter. Yamato on the other hand is the most low profile poster. His D1 is remarkably more active than the rest of the game, which fits perfectly into his scum game. His D1 reads are largely based on other people's reads and not real behaviour. There's probably more but contrary to Obi the votecounts don't absolve him in any way. So this post is part rant part reasons but it reflects my mindset as of today. You decide if you want a yamato Obi Koshi lylo when yamato and Koshi already decided Obi is scum after me. So Damdred if you think that Obi is the last mafia it's up to you to lynch me cause that's the guy who will be lynched after me according to what I'm reading. If yamato gets lynched you have 2 guys doubitng and a Koshi who doesn't look anywhere except on me since D1. If I get lynched you get an Obi lynch. | ||
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On April 18 2015 02:04 yamato77 wrote: I'll make you a deal, Vivax, I won't lynch you if you agree to lynch Obi today. I'm willing to make swag plays to win instead of spite lynching even if I do think you could be mafia. Obi lynch means you and Koshi will lynch me tomorrow. Koshi is the most volatile in this combination cause he will lynch me no matter his alignment just cause he's Koshi and likes to be an asshole towards me. | ||
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On April 18 2015 02:49 yamato77 wrote: I promise to actually re evaluate the game or you can just auto lynch me. I'll vote for myself if I don't reread if we get to the lylo you suggest. That's the point. I can't lynch you with Koshi alive who is either town who enjoys lynching me or mafia. It's too hard to tell apart given the history. And even then I still don't know if it's Koshi or you. | ||
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Whereas a mafia you has a good motivation to steer somewhere else cause he knows it's his life on the line after me, when he sees that Dam is wavering. It's really good play from Damdred on this part to not be decisive cause it baited a reaction you can expect from mafia. | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:16 yamato77 wrote: Why isn't it Obi? It is Obi. Or you. But probably Obi. You know why you can't pick between Koshi or me? Because it's neither of us. You mentioned GB's push towards Obi before dying being fake, can you illustrate why it makes him mafia? I still prefer to consider that Obi made that lynch possible. | ||
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