Newbie Student Mafia VII - Page 94

On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol

So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.

Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.

I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all.

On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote:


Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all.

Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going.

Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off.

I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects.

His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch.

The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet.

Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory.

On April 12 2015 16:29 The Shining wrote:


This post stands out to me regarding Stutters. From what I've read so far and the filters I've dove, I've got a few preliminary reads that I'd be more than willing to explain after this.

The way he mentions Ace as a "fallback" lynch just doesn't feel right. It's more of a tone read and I'm aware Ace hadn't done much before being replaced but writing off a newbie because you don't feel he'll increase in posting on D1 doesn't feel right. And I have Breshke as a town lean so naturally, it raises questions that he'd want to lynch him.

He also mentions being suspicious of plot(flipped VT) and prpl. So that's 2 town and a town lean he'd be willing to lynch, before ultimately(and effortlessly) sheeping onto plot over his poor EoD antics.

I've yet to read prpl and there's a lot more than that for me to read as well, but I'll continue trying to catch up and answer as best I can.

On April 16 2015 09:45 rsoultin wrote:


he clearly was scumreading him at one point...in fact he was shining's first scumread. it jives :/

On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:
It's relative....

Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it.

For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious.
Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it.
Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day).

At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch.Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.

Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period.

Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game.

This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread.

On April 16 2015 09:50 Breshke wrote:


So the bolded obviously wouldnt have been applicable anymore. And a large part of that scumread is seemingly because he has been wrong which you yourself said isnt alignment indicative.

I know you didnt quote this saying you agree with it but im saying this read is so old and outdated that there is no way he shoots stutters over me.

On April 16 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:


I was also set to be lynched at one point and said town would feel stupid as fuck when I flipped. I was leading votes at the time. I mean, you don't have to believe me.

I claimed because I am the vigi and I threw this game. Town is probably mad as hell at me and I understand why. At least this way I don't drag it out and Fuck us any harder than I already have.