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On April 16 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 09:41 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:On April 15 2015 04:26 The Shining wrote:On April 15 2015 04:19 rsoultin wrote:
meh i don't really know what prp is doing this day phase :/ i don't mind his EoD behavior except AFKing the lynch. like basically all of day 1 still looks good to me with that exception?
but then there's just the blah where he doesn't seem to have much of an opinion about today's lynch at all. like it almost seems like he's got the lynch down to between bourneq and tbd and is using townreading tbd as an excuse to lynch bourne, when there's tons more players in this game and 3 scum besides -_-
i dunnae. i'd lynch him before players like jjb, hts and truffle at this point (and prob bresh though he's on my list to look at too right now lol ><) but his day 1 makes me hesitant
i don't see this "overwhelmed" townie argument stutters >< he's had over 72 hours to get caught up, and his own excuse was just basically he didn't want to play lol >< at least as i understood it
and that's okay? Meh I don't like hiding behind excuses. But to be more accurate, I didn't have time to play because fun things kept coming up during my days off that I couldn't say no to. I'm here right now and I'm at work on my phone posting. And this is my first time replacing. I am slightly overwhelmed. But I am trying here. And I'm telling you, boldly, that lynching me is a huge mistake for town. Thankyou i could logically understand this I was also set to be lynched at one point and said town would feel stupid as fuck when I flipped. I was leading votes at the time. I mean, you don't have to believe me. I claimed because I am the vigi and I threw this game. Town is probably mad as hell at me and I understand why. At least this way I don't drag it out and Fuck us any harder than I already have. No you don't egt to give up if you are actually the town vigi which i still highly doubt. Why did you shoot stutters for "breadcrumbing blue" when you scumread me for pressuring him about that post. Also why would you shoot him for that reason when he could have been the vet or medic (its deffs vet there no way its medic) But I do. I still think you'll flip scum. I'm still voting you. If you don't, gg. If you do, I die tonight and my game is over. I'm fine with that. I'm already done with this one, due in large part to how badly I played. And since I'm alrdy getting flamed in Obs, I'm sure, I'll add fuel to the fire saying this: you were blue fishing there. I wasn't looking for him to claim. I was looking for him to cash in on that promise of me seeing why he was town. I didn't see it so I shot.You were a town lean at one point for me. Stutters was a scum read that I said had "significantly better" activity and couldn't be lynched D2. I was torn between you two. I saw scum in both of you at different points. I decided to trust my original gut instinct from D1.
that at least makes more sense than thinking he'd claim lol ><
but that still doesn't explain why you thought breshke "blue-fishing" at your scumread made him scum? i'm really confused how you can think they're scum together, where breshke is doing something that could be construed as blue-fishing a scummate who is softing blue? or not...softing blue? like how does that thought process even go, shining?
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On April 16 2015 10:15 Breshke wrote:It i actually worrying because i was hoping trefel or tube were the vigi because then people wouldnt try to push the world where i got a partner to CC. Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont get how tube believes shining so quick without adressing the fact of why he shot stutters. Also youd think that fact that the shining wants to lynch one of his town reads you would think he would take pause and talk to him about that before believing him straight away
You'll find out why soon enough.
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On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia.
I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit.
I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow.
Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie.
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On April 16 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 04:16 The Shining wrote:On April 15 2015 03:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Shining, you are saying Stutters is only "marginally" better.
Do you mean activity? Because after D2 he picked it up. Can you clarify that? Yes. And now that I'm fully caught up, I agree. Stutters has stepped it up. He went from marginally better to significantly better. Especially with a post like this. It shows he is thinking about the game critically. I can't lynch him today. On April 15 2015 02:38 Stutters695 wrote:On April 15 2015 01:15 Trfel wrote:On April 15 2015 00:42 Half the Sky wrote:Rasputin, so you can understand me a bit better, this is the quote I take issue with: On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.
He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.
I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself. I'm doublechecking 1) how forceful he was and 2) the bases for his reads. When you three voted me D2, you I know believed your case against me, like your tone felt genuine, but I recall prplhz being like "I can roll with that" or something similar when he followed with his vote, so I'm backtracking to see how he progressed on other people. The other thing that doesn't add up for me is that he was hard defending Dwarf but openly telling him to be more useful. I'm sure I recall that somewhere. That just felt strange to me. It's relative.... Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it. For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious. On April 12 2015 04:37 prplhz wrote:
okay i tentatively don't want to lynch plotspot anyway lol
can we lynch soren or stutters? Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it. Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day). At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch. On April 12 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote:
okay tube who do we lynch then? Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so. Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period. Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game. This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread. While I understand where you're coming from, the part in green I absolutely disagree about. It can be fine, but again prpl didn't care about it being me getting lynched. He ignored my reasoning for voting plot, which was a direct response to his question. If you're going to try and honestly lynch scum, you'd think he'd respond to that in sone fashion. You'd also think he would try to stick around for the deadline but he wasn't really concerned with who got lynched. If plot dies, he's gets credit for the town read and switching before and if I die, it's a simple "well he posted so little I thought he was a good lynch" You don't start a counter wagon so close to the deadline then go afk if he really believed plot was town. He didn't really care about saving him, he didn't really care who got lynched d1 and he certainly doesn't care who gets lynched today. That's not town. Also I'm phone posting from work so bare with me. -_- or i'm wrong entirely this suggests you at least weren't as sure of your scumread as before shining >< and breshke is right about the breadcrumbing post as well...why would that bother you from breshke if you were scumreading the guy doing it?
I wasn't. I was flopping back and forth on both of them all night phase.
And for Bresh, it's the way he did it. He was avidly pushing fur a claim
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On April 16 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:12 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 09:47 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 09:44 The Shining wrote:On April 16 2015 09:41 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 09:40 rsoultin wrote:On April 15 2015 04:26 The Shining wrote:On April 15 2015 04:19 rsoultin wrote:
meh i don't really know what prp is doing this day phase :/ i don't mind his EoD behavior except AFKing the lynch. like basically all of day 1 still looks good to me with that exception?
but then there's just the blah where he doesn't seem to have much of an opinion about today's lynch at all. like it almost seems like he's got the lynch down to between bourneq and tbd and is using townreading tbd as an excuse to lynch bourne, when there's tons more players in this game and 3 scum besides -_-
i dunnae. i'd lynch him before players like jjb, hts and truffle at this point (and prob bresh though he's on my list to look at too right now lol ><) but his day 1 makes me hesitant
i don't see this "overwhelmed" townie argument stutters >< he's had over 72 hours to get caught up, and his own excuse was just basically he didn't want to play lol >< at least as i understood it
and that's okay? Meh I don't like hiding behind excuses. But to be more accurate, I didn't have time to play because fun things kept coming up during my days off that I couldn't say no to. I'm here right now and I'm at work on my phone posting. And this is my first time replacing. I am slightly overwhelmed. But I am trying here. And I'm telling you, boldly, that lynching me is a huge mistake for town. Thankyou i could logically understand this I was also set to be lynched at one point and said town would feel stupid as fuck when I flipped. I was leading votes at the time. I mean, you don't have to believe me. I claimed because I am the vigi and I threw this game. Town is probably mad as hell at me and I understand why. At least this way I don't drag it out and Fuck us any harder than I already have. No you don't egt to give up if you are actually the town vigi which i still highly doubt. Why did you shoot stutters for "breadcrumbing blue" when you scumread me for pressuring him about that post. Also why would you shoot him for that reason when he could have been the vet or medic (its deffs vet there no way its medic) But I do. I still think you'll flip scum. I'm still voting you. If you don't, gg. If you do, I die tonight and my game is over. I'm fine with that. I'm already done with this one, due in large part to how badly I played. And since I'm alrdy getting flamed in Obs, I'm sure, I'll add fuel to the fire saying this: you were blue fishing there. I wasn't looking for him to claim. I was looking for him to cash in on that promise of me seeing why he was town. I didn't see it so I shot.You were a town lean at one point for me. Stutters was a scum read that I said had "significantly better" activity and couldn't be lynched D2. I was torn between you two. I saw scum in both of you at different points. I decided to trust my original gut instinct from D1. that at least makes more sense than thinking he'd claim lol >< but that still doesn't explain why you thought breshke "blue-fishing" at your scumread made him scum? i'm really confused how you can think they're scum together, where breshke is doing something that could be construed as blue-fishing a scummate who is softing blue? or not...softing blue? like how does that thought process even go, shining?
Holy shit i ddint even think of it from this point of view. Rso is so right here it makes no sense to think we are scum together if you thought i was blue fishing
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On April 16 2015 10:18 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:15 Breshke wrote:It i actually worrying because i was hoping trefel or tube were the vigi because then people wouldnt try to push the world where i got a partner to CC. On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont get how tube believes shining so quick without adressing the fact of why he shot stutters. Also youd think that fact that the shining wants to lynch one of his town reads you would think he would take pause and talk to him about that before believing him straight away You'll find out why soon enough.
Or you could just explain now?
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On April 15 2015 10:35 The Shining wrote:
I want to take a look at votes. When two wagons are this close, and there are active players moving to defend one or both lynches, it makes me think one of those wagons was scum. In a town v town scenario, I feel there would be less resistance as scum would be getting one step closer to their wincon regardless of who is lynched. Instead, the wagons were close right up until EoD.
Final vote count:
TheBloodyDwarf (5): Bourneq, The Shining, Tubesock, rsoultin, Trfel
Breshke (0): rsoultin
The Shining (1): Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, TheBloodyDwarf
Bourneq (1): prplhz
Half the Sky (0): prplhz, rsoultin, Tubesock
prplhz (4): Stutters695, jarjarbinks, Half the Sky, Breshke
Stutters695 (0): Breshke
Off of votes alone, prpl looks the worst. He is the lone wasted vote and afk at Eod.
Bourne has been consistent in scumming/wanting to lynch Dwarf and him not providing anything for town to work with. He was also the first vote on Dwarf. I can't see scum Bourne being this dead set, specially as a newbie, on going after the same ML d1 & d2.
Next is me. Objectively, my vote comes in right when I come back to thread. Being on my way to work, I was afraid I'd miss EoD but that wasn't the case. And I read Dwarf time and again. From my entrance to now, I could not see the town in him. I've alrdy addressed JJB's thoughts on Prpl being the one defending Dwarf when everyone else had him null at best.
This leaves Tube, RSo, Trfel. I'm still not convinced Trfel is scum, as his play does not fit what I know of his scum meta. Aside from him voting with his top scumread, I can't see scum motivation in any of his posts. I do see a lot of analysis and critical thinking, in spite of the fact most of it is directed towards me.
I had to step back and look objectively at RSo. I might be blinded by the fact that her voting Dwarf essentially saved me. However, knowing my alignment and now Dwarf's, I can't think of the scum motivation for her switching off.
Breshke came back to tell me his placeholder vote on me was now a real vote after I cased him. OMGUS? No, because he then last minute shenannies onto Prpl in an attempt to hammer him at 4 votes, even though BD hit 4 first. The for his shenanny vote just feels so off. Both jjb and I have addressed it.
Stutters and HTS have both been vocal about their scum read on Prpl. The timing and reasoning of those votes seem pretty sound to me.
I'm still phone posting so after this post, I'll be diving Prpl, Tube and JJB. I can't remember if JJB had any build up to voting Prpl, Tube is the only vote I can't explain on Dwarf(i think I remember him wanting to lynch Dwarf early, just need to verify), and Prpl is the lone wasted vote on Bourne, afkd EoD and isn't defending himself. & Breshke, I still think may be scum, although I'm not as familiar with his meta to be figuring out if he's a risk/reward kind of player or not.
Joking about a fake cop claim isn't cool, either, Prpl. =/
This is one of the only times you mention stutters during the night. If you were flip floppping between us why not interact with him. I wasn't around so you could have tried to talk to him. You also say that his reason for voting was "sound".
THERE IS NO WAY SHINING SHOT STUTTERS
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On April 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:On April 16 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia. I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit. I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow. Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie.
We gain 5 days before we lynch. Mafia are in a race against time. No lynch provides a great resource for town. Another night kill and time to sort out the rest.
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On April 16 2015 10:26 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:On April 16 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia. I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit. I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow. Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie. We gain 5 days before we lynch. Mafia are in a race against time. No lynch provides a great resource for town. Another night kill and time to sort out the rest.
We must see this differently. I will take a chance at a extra misslynch over 2 more hours to talk always. It just makes so much more sense to me.
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On April 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:On April 16 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia. I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit. I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow. Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie.
this is actually true...lol >< eh
my plan was more conservative, hoping that scum wouldn't pick off a blue out of the five players left -_- honestly bresh i thought you might be wifoming if you were town and that was why the ALL CAPS the mafia WILL DEFINITELY KILL ME in your post, like you were trying to tell the real vig not to CC you lol ><
but here's the thing, breshke...why would scum CC you here, huh? they know there's a vig, it would be a vote-off between you and them...lol it's like 10x more likely the real vig CCs here >< which is why i kept saying not to
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Ebwop:
Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.
As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.
Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.
If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.
If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing.
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On April 16 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:21 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:16 Tubesock wrote:On April 16 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:04 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Breshke
I think I have this game solved. I need time to double check.
Prp, Rso, Shining all town. I absolutely believe Shining.
Who thinks Rsoultin was a NK risk? I didn't and I have a huge mafia skill crush on her. I didn't think HTS would be either I thought Stutters, Trfel, or Breshke. I didn't do a legacy either as I'd think scum would be dumb to shoot me over those three. HTS died cause she was on to something or the biggest risk. I dont do wills either. Im not saying its scummy to do wills. I was saying its scummy for rso not to do wills. Why are you so believing of shining? Have you seen his reason for shooting stutters. Tell me how it makes sense? Ok, I may eat my words later if Shining gets CC'd but I think the scenario where he doesn't shoot D1 can be explained by lack of confidence in D1 reads. I think that too he thought D3 he was up for a mlynch or that town had high risk for it. If he waited till N3 it would be too late. I'll look back on his read. There are some other things that I'm considering that fit the world I'm seeing. I was confused with your Prp hammer but was giving you excuses. And this fakeclaim play is so bad. I think you see that you can sweep town and are going for the big play now. I understand Prplhz's reasons for foregoing the no lynch. He thinks he has it solved (he's wrong). But you don't have the game solved so I don't like your reasons to skip no lynch at all. No fucking way. It's such bad play. But you want to end this because you are mafia. I wont argue the fake claim play could be total shit. I will argue this. What do we get from a no lynch. Someone who most people agree is town dies. Probably you or trefel. That gets us nowhere and we still HAVE TO lynch mafia tomorrow. Instead we lynch today. We lynch mafia today and if we lynch the roleblocker then there is every chance mafia tries to shoot the vet and we gain a misslynch. Lynching today gives us a chance to get a misslynch back. No lynching gets us nothing but one dead townie. this is actually true...lol >< eh my plan was more conservative, hoping that scum wouldn't pick off a blue out of the five players left -_- honestly bresh i thought you might be wifoming if you were town and that was why the ALL CAPS the mafia WILL DEFINITELY KILL ME in your post, like you were trying to tell the real vig not to CC you lol >< but here's the thing, breshke...why would scum CC you here, huh? they know there's a vig, it would be a vote-off between you and them...lol it's like 10x more likely the real vig CCs here >< which is why i kept saying not to
because he thouught i was the actual vig and i am one of their only miss lynches left. He cc's me he thinks i stick to my claim and then they try lynch me for the win. Also if you actually are town and shining loses the CC battle with me then you probably get lynched because you are the one that stopped the lynch wagon on him.
Everyone needs to clarify if they are or are not the vigi when they come into the thread. Do not say you are vt or whatever just say if you are vigi or not.
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shining i'm not seeing things suggesting you were scumreading stutters in your later posting either, and that is really concerning me -_- i'm not getting the thought process
if it was to keep the scumteam from stopping your shot and/or killing you, i don't get why you were going so hard at bresh who you also say you thought was scum ><
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On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:
Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.
As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.
Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.
If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.
If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing.
Yet none of this logic was brought up in your voting for no lynch post. I still don't believe it you are making this up on the spot.
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On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:
Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.
As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.
Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.
If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.
If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing.
this makes sense lol ><
i wanted to lynch stutters when i still thought hts could be scum, cause i thought that they only made sense as scum together >< but then i read his filter and he didn't look like scum to me at all so i dropped it...well that and hts kept pushing at things even when i took off the pressure
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On April 16 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:
Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.
As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.
Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.
If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.
If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing. Yet none of this logic was brought up in your voting for no lynch post. I still don't believe it you are making this up on the spot.
tch if you're town you're griping at him for the same reason that i was griping at hts ^^ only his actions actually make sense given the explanation, where hers really didn't. what if no one cc's him bresh?
that said, the absence of a noticeable scumread thing, shining, is still a problem for me ><
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meh -_-
##unvote
regardless i think the value of a no-lynch is long gone by now
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On April 16 2015 10:37 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2015 10:33 Breshke wrote:On April 16 2015 10:29 The Shining wrote:
Ebwop:
Clicked post on phone instead of expand. Hate phone posting.
As for Bresh, it was the way he did it. So much talk of roles and set up in his filter. Forcefully pushing Stutters to claim. He really wanted to know.
Like I said, I was torn between the two. I guess I should've explained it more clearly. I couldn't tell if they were both scum but I knew I read both of them scum at one point. Stutters early, Bresh recently.
If Stutters flipped scum, it effectively would've thrown scum off track and made this game easier, as well as shed new light on the Stutters-Bresh interaction. It would've helped me re evaluate Breah.
If Stutters flipped town, which he did, it cemented what I already thought in that Bresh is scum and was blue fishing. Yet none of this logic was brought up in your voting for no lynch post. I still don't believe it you are making this up on the spot. tch if you're town you're griping at him for the same reason that i was griping at hts ^^ only his actions actually make sense given the explanation, where hers really didn't. what if no one cc's him bresh?that said, the absence of a noticeable scumread thing, shining, is still a problem for me ><
I don't want to talk about this just yet because int hat eventuality ill need to explain something else. Can we just wait until everyone has claimed vigi or not and then we can come back to this post as a whole. Even the second unbolded bit is related to it.
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we either have scum claiming vig or a real vig claim lol >< we have to lynch today for sure
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On April 16 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote:
meh -_-
##unvote
regardless i think the value of a no-lynch is long gone by now
I do feel bad because i basically forced town upon taking what i think is the best play.
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