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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:06 GMT
#1367
On April 14 2015 12:57 Tubesock wrote:
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On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.

He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.

I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself.


I can see those three things being true enough. What exactly is he being forceful about aside from protecting Dwarf though? I don't think you can say he was that forceful on Plotspot since it didn't take much of any force for people to attack him.
Prplhz has been an active participant in the town throughout Day 1. He started out by voting Bourneq and townreading Soren333. Also, prplhz was one of the main people trying to get off of the plotspot wagon, which certainly wasn't a mainstream idea when he started suggesting it. I realize that the way he did so can be considered sheeping, and isn't being particularly independent, but if you look at how he does it, he is consistent between his play and his words.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:08 GMT
#1369
On April 14 2015 13:03 Breshke wrote:
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On April 14 2015 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
wait now i think i'm confused again -_-

you were trying to say that the lack of an rb claim is indicative of a vet and if there's a vet there isn't a vet/doc setup in the op, right?


CORRECT so im saying we most likely don't have a doc
I suppose you're right. Not that it changes much, but this is a good assessment.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:10 GMT
#1370
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.

At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:18 GMT
#1375
On April 14 2015 13:15 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.

At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.


lol >< true

i know i don't cause i'd get caught in a new york minute but lol he replaced in before EoD though so i mean, at some point that excuse stops being valid

i brought it up less because of the afk bit and more because while bourne is being discussed, shining isn't, which i find odd. plus lol you can't really argue that his post today was...i mean, what's even the point of posting?
To be honest, I can definitely see myself lynching him today. It's just not something I really care to discuss at this time.

Oh well, here goes, I'll try to read the rest of the thread before bedtime. Haha.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:23 GMT
#1379
On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:
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On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.

At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.


I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too.

In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then.

Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.
I mean, everyone makes errors. And no one can remember every detail, most players forget most of the details. My point is that, you know who scum is, and you have scum teammates in the scum QT who can help you. They can tell you the thread sentiment, who the main town players are, who they are currently pushing, etc. Like, I imagine that they could basically tell you where your reads should be at the start of the game with basic reasons for each one, and then that could be posted without having carefully read the thread at all. Clearly he can't admit to not have read the thread (or tried to) here, but I do think he could fake it (this doesn't work if someone analyzes him really well, but good analysis is hard to do).

A town replacement is under pressure to produce content just as much as a scum replacement is. The Shining's inactivity is definitely scummy, but I would still expect the scum team to give him some kind of ground to stand on (unless they're giving him up for dead, or they aren't very competent, or my analysis of how scum teams should work is completely wrong).
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:32 GMT
#1387
On April 14 2015 13:30 jarjarbinks wrote:
I'll try to check back in at lunchtime to make my vote relevant if it isn't

Sorry again... bad EOD time for me unfortunately...i think? Its 430pm ET right?

i'll be on for a few secs while im brushing my teeth if you are confused/concerned.
I believe it is 5:00 PM EDT.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:47 GMT
#1396
On April 14 2015 13:43 Tubesock wrote:
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On April 14 2015 13:33 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 13:26 Tubesock wrote:
On April 14 2015 13:21 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 13:17 Tubesock wrote:
On April 14 2015 13:10 Trfel wrote:
I agree that The Shining/Ace1312's slot doesn't look very good, but that's mostly for activity. I'm ignoring it for now.

At the same time, I almost wonder if he could have an easier time jumping into the thread if he is scum? Scum replacements don't really have to read the thread, they can sort of make stuff up and hope to get by. Especially in a newbie game. Obviously that isn't a very effective way to play, but many people claim to play scum without reading the thread.


I don't think I agree with this at all. People are asking you stuff since you're here. If he showed up people will be asking him stuff too.

In my 2nd game a newbie (I don't remember the name of it, but you were nightkilled N1 trfel in it) There was a replacement scum Scott1313371234123541235 for Gumdrops. Gum made 2 posts and was replaced. Scott's entrance was a thread sentiment list post with nice little links to the post for each player that expressed his read. He HAD to show us he read the thread and was eventually caught up. He would have died right then.

Same with you, you HAVE to show you've read town or mafia. Like, you get leeway but not a pardon.


xP

that doesn't tell me what you think about shining

lol and whether you agree or not, some players don't read the thread as scum, or at least claim they don't. whether it's good play or not doesn't really matter? unless this argument has any bearing on shining's alignment i don't see why we're discussing it again -_-


ha forgot that part. I liked the little content he had, but yeah why hasn't he produced like he said he would?

How long do we give these lurker players to be town? Why does it feel like town is just eating town right now?

If we are going to lynch a lurker type player, I want to kill Dwarf.


??


I just have weird bad feelings. I just think with like 5 lurkers about how angry I'm going to be if we have 3 lurker mafias who thought Soren was the towniest player so NK his slot but HF enters and the rest of us are like "holy shit obviously a vet is on the mafia team!"

I missed it, you voting Shining?
Yeah, sorry, the night kill doesn't really suggest this at all. Remember, this is a newbie game.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 04:56 GMT
#1401
Oh and sorry, I have class for a few hours before the deadline. I'll be back for the deadline itself, and maybe 30ish minutes before it, but not for a few hours before that.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:00 GMT
#1403
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:04 GMT
#1405
Hm, I don't like The Shining's entrance at all. Which is weird, because everyone else seemed to.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:11 GMT
#1410
On April 14 2015 14:06 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq


meh lurkers with a side of short filter lol ><

seems too easy. but then...i dunnae the lurkers always seem to get me. i did it with oats in the Game that Shall not be Named...and i did it in my first game here

so i assume this means you agree with tube that the scumteam doesn't seem to have a presence in the thread right now?
Not necessarily. I'm not calling out a scum team, I'm calling my lynch pool. It's a distinct possibility that at least one of the mafia is very active, just at this moment I don't want to lynch an active player. Maybe that will change by EOD, maybe not, it depends on information. I have a poor record as of late with calling out multiple scum at once and guessing the scum thread presence, so I'm not going to try if I can help it (I probably will soon enough anyway).
On April 14 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 14 2015 14:04 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I don't like The Shining's entrance at all. Which is weird, because everyone else seemed to.


are you referring to his literal entrance post?

because i was referring to the reads/analysis he started making once he'd actually read part of the thread lol ><
I refer to his first series of posts, in which he gives reads on every player.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:16 GMT
#1412
On April 14 2015 14:13 rsoultin wrote:
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On April 14 2015 14:11 Trfel wrote:
On April 14 2015 14:06 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq


meh lurkers with a side of short filter lol ><

seems too easy. but then...i dunnae the lurkers always seem to get me. i did it with oats in the Game that Shall not be Named...and i did it in my first game here

so i assume this means you agree with tube that the scumteam doesn't seem to have a presence in the thread right now?
Not necessarily. I'm not calling out a scum team, I'm calling my lynch pool. It's a distinct possibility that at least one of the mafia is very active, just at this moment I don't want to lynch an active player. Maybe that will change by EOD, maybe not, it depends on information. I have a poor record as of late with calling out multiple scum at once and guessing the scum thread presence, so I'm not going to try if I can help it (I probably will soon enough anyway).
On April 14 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote:
On April 14 2015 14:04 Trfel wrote:
Hm, I don't like The Shining's entrance at all. Which is weird, because everyone else seemed to.


are you referring to his literal entrance post?

because i was referring to the reads/analysis he started making once he'd actually read part of the thread lol ><
I refer to his first series of posts, in which he gives reads on every player.


mmmm

i should probably take another look at that o.0 i didn't realize he read all of the players? i was mostly just fine with him making reads at all since he'd just replaced in >< lol

in the morning, though...getting kinda tired :/
He made reads that left me extremely unimpressed. As in, he didn't actually say anything, it feels like his motivation is more to avoid being lynched than to find scum. I could overlook it if he followed up, but he doesn't appear to have done so... (not counting asking me if I claimed scum)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:23 GMT
#1418
On April 14 2015 14:20 Breshke wrote:
Trefel when you say you don't want to lynch an active player today who does that leave you with left in your lynch pool?

dwarf, bourne and theshining? anyone else?
Also Stutters695. I said it at the top of the page.

Note that the reason that I don't want to lynch active players isn't (primarily) activity. I just see these four as significantly more scummy at this time.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 05:38 GMT
#1424
On April 14 2015 14:37 Stutters695 wrote:
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On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:
So far, I'm not impressed with TheBloodyDwarf at all. His play is clearly not towny, there is no question of that. I guess I could see him being a stubborn SC2 Mafia player who is new to a forum mafia environment. But then, he clearly stated, in bold, that this isn't SC2 mafia. From there, I expected to see him attempting to play the forum mafia style (not necessarily succeeding, just attempting). And I haven't seen that at all yet.

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

My current lynch pool is as follows (no particular order):
TheBloodyDwarf, Stutters695, The Shining, and Bourneq

Is this guy scum? I really want to lynch him.
Try me. I dare you.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 06:24 GMT
#1432
Analysis #4: Pages 46-Present (shorter because I'm falling asleep at my computer)
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On April 12 2015 15:47 The Shining wrote:
Sort of. Top of page 23. At this pace, I should be caught up before EoN though, provided I don't fall asleep lol.

Nice to see you again, JJB. I came in dead set on nailing you in particular if I read you as scum at all(See: our last game together). I'm really hoping your alignment is diff this time around lol.
So, The Shining read 16 pages (320 posts) in 30 minutes? That's a post every six seconds. He's not reading very carefully at all.
On April 12 2015 16:29 The Shining wrote:
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On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote:
On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol

So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.

Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.

I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all.


Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all.

Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going.

Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off.

I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects.

His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch.

The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet.

Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory.


This post stands out to me regarding Stutters. From what I've read so far and the filters I've dove, I've got a few preliminary reads that I'd be more than willing to explain after this.

The way he mentions Ace as a "fallback" lynch just doesn't feel right. It's more of a tone read and I'm aware Ace hadn't done much before being replaced but writing off a newbie because you don't feel he'll increase in posting on D1 doesn't feel right. And I have Breshke as a town lean so naturally, it raises questions that he'd want to lynch him.

He also mentions being suspicious of plot(flipped VT) and prpl. So that's 2 town and a town lean he'd be willing to lynch, before ultimately(and effortlessly) sheeping onto plot over his poor EoD antics.

I've yet to read prpl and there's a lot more than that for me to read as well, but I'll continue trying to catch up and answer as best I can.
And this post isn't very good. His first point, about Ace1312 as a fallback policy lynch, is fair. But that isn't enough to lynch someone for. He scumreads Stutters695 for being suspicious about several of his (The Shining's) townreads, but he doesn't explain why he has these reads. And he doesn't show why the disagreement in reads is alignment indicative.
On April 12 2015 16:37 The Shining wrote:
EBWOP:

If I wasnt clear enough, I'm leaning scum on Stutters.
And the fact that he had to go back and clarify this doesn't help him. He's provided some thoughts, but nothing special, nothing unique, nothing influential, nothing that stands out, nothing memorable. All he's done is share some thoughts. He doesn't seem to be pushing anything, just providing reads for the purpose of not dying.
On April 13 2015 08:48 rsoultin wrote:
...yeah, at least someone on the scum team must know hf. problem is, at least half the players here do i think so i'm not sure how that helps
Again, this simply isn't true. Holyflare would be the nightkill here even with a scum team of three newbies who have never played with him before.

Rsoultin's comments on Half the Sky simply aren't alignment indicative. The scum motivation for that vote switch isn't there, and definitely doesn't outweigh the burden of trying to explain it. Half the Sky can go back to a slight town lean.

I like the confidence that prplhz has with regards to not being scumread. Given his level of play, it seems reasonable for him to expect to not be scumread. I'm not sure if he would act like this as town.

This is very good. However, I don't see why scum would be so willing to switch off of a town who claimed scum. He would never get lynched for mislynching plotspot here. This point makes a lot of sense if Tubesock is scum with Stutters695, but I don't want to make unflipped association reads. The most likely conclusion is that Tubesock re-evaluated without sharing with the thread, though this certainly makes him look worse. Rsoultin pointed out some missing posts, though. Still leaning town on Tubesock, definitely, just not as much as before.

Ugh, I'm super sleepy. I skimmed up to the point where I replaced in. Sorry this isn't particularly detailed. Good night.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 06:24 GMT
#1433
On April 14 2015 15:22 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
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On April 14 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:

His late vote without explanation pushed him from null to scum lean.

But I did?
If you explained it, I missed it. I'll take a look tomorrow.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 15:53 GMT
#1459
On April 14 2015 23:58 Half the Sky wrote:
My issue personally with Trfel's post is that D2 is a bit too premature to conclude the entire scumteam is inactive. Now I don't think he's PoEed everyone else yet, from what I recall, I believe it's a result of whoever he's rated the lowest in his latest page of analysis.

It is possible and it has certainly happened, but given the nature of scumteams on TL on average, it is unlikely. It IS likely there's one lurker, possibly two on a three-person scumteam, but all three being inactive would be extremely rare.
Again, I never said this at all...

I have said that all of the people that I am currently thinking of lynching are less active. I'm not good enough to call out the scum team at this point in the game, you know that. I go lynch by lynch.

Anyway, it seems that people don't really want to lynch Stutters695 today, so I suppose I will accept that. The Shining looks like a fair target, but I'll take another look at Bourneq and TheBloodyDwarf.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 16:15 GMT
#1463
On April 15 2015 00:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Rasputin, so you can understand me a bit better, this is the quote I take issue with:

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On April 14 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
I'm pretty confident that prplhz is town here. I've read Stutters695's arguments (or at least, the posts that I believe he is referring to) and I don't find them to be all that convincing.

He's being forceful, active, and his reads have generally been good. I don't normally see all three of these traits at once from a town prplhz, so I doubt even more that he would play like this as mafia.

I can demonstrate this if necessary, but at this time I don't think that it is necessary. And prplhz can speak for himself.


I'm doublechecking 1) how forceful he was and 2) the bases for his reads.

When you three voted me D2, you I know believed your case against me, like your tone felt genuine, but I recall prplhz being like "I can roll with that" or something similar when he followed with his vote, so I'm backtracking to see how he progressed on other people.

The other thing that doesn't add up for me is that he was hard defending Dwarf but openly telling him to be more useful. I'm sure I recall that somewhere. That just felt strange to me.
It's relative....

Someone like Holyflare is probably the most aggressive. He'll see one post and hard push that player with apparent 100% confidence. Prplhz isn't a player like that. From reading the thread, the impression that I got was that prplhz was leading and driving things along for most of Day 1. His exact tone and wording isn't always very forceful, but when you look at the ideas that he presents, you can see it.

For example, here is the way he treated the vote switch to Stutters695 on Day 1. Most people consider this progression suspicious.
On April 12 2015 04:37 prplhz wrote:
okay i tentatively don't want to lynch plotspot anyway lol

can we lynch soren or stutters?
Here is the first post he makes. I believe that he is the first player to suggest leaving the plotspot lynch (I'm not going to go back tons of pages to double check, but he is at least one of the first). At this point, the vote count was very heavily in favor of lynching plotspot (7 on plotspot, 0 on Stutters695). I know that the way he phrases it is a request, but this also makes some sense, since without the support of others he can't actually change the lynch. At this time, Half the Sky is the only person in the thread, and she refuses to switch, so prplhz drops it.
Prplhz also posts his explanation for why he would prefer to lynch Stutters695 over plotspot, and the way he arrived at this read feels towny enough (though that's an issue for another day).

At this point, I would be suspicious of prplhz. Asking one person to switch and then not doing anything when they don't switch isn't very impressive (still something town does all the time, but isn't a very good play). But then Tubesock comes back, and says that he doesn't want to lynch plotspot. Prplhz immediately jumps and asks him who he wants to lynch.
On April 12 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote:
okay tube who do we lynch then?
Prplhz seems to be more interested in not lynching plotspot than lynching a specific player, and that's fine. Still, despite asking who Tubesock wanted to lynch (Tubesock initially said TheBloodyDwarf), prplhz still argues for a Stutters695 lynch. Then Tubesock shows desire to talk about plotspot and Stutters695, as well as a lack of confidence in lynching plotspot, so it can be assumed that he is willing to lynch Stutters695. And Half the Sky rereads Stutters695's filter, and said that she understands why he is scummy (implying willingness to lynch him). Prplhz immediately switches his vote, the first one to do so.

Prplhz isn't posting huge walls of text or screaming with all caps, but he clearly made a decision and put effort into getting people's attention and making them listen to him. In some of his posts, his tone felt very wishy-washy, however if you look at the consistency of his play, and the context for when he said what he said, he's actually very solid in his decision. Despite the way he asked players to switch votes and seemed willing to follow them wherever, that isn't what he did, and it's obvious that prplhz was leading the thread through this period.

Were plotspot scum, I could see an argument being made for prplhz being scum because of these actions. However, with a flipped plotspot, these actions aren't inherently scummy, and I feel that they are consistent with the rest of prplhz's play in this game.

This is one example, but I feel that prplhz played a leading role throughout Day 1. I'm used to prplhz playing a more reserved role; while he always participates in the thread, this is the first time I have seen him consistently leading. And that's why he is a confident townread.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 16:24 GMT
#1464
Half the Sky, I'm interested to see what you have to say about the argument above. In about an hour and a half, I need to head out, and then I won't be back until 30 minutes to the deadline (plus or minus another 15 minutes.....). So if you want to lynch me or prplhz, I would like to talk about that now. If you ignore me now, while I am present, and then start trying to kill me only once I'm gone, I won't be very pleased (and I would like to think that you would be under quite a bit of suspicion after).

If you are concerned about my scumreads not having a balance of lurkers and non-lurkers, I'm sorry. I could falsify my scumreads to make them "perfect" in every way, but that isn't good for town at all. I realize that I most likely missed at least one mafia. I'm just saying that at this point in the day, I'm not going to have the time to try and catch them today, and so I'll go with the people I initially judge as scummy and make the best lynch from them. I am highly confident that at least one member of my lynch pool is mafia.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 14 2015 16:33 GMT
#1466
TheBloodyDwarf

On April 10 2015 16:15 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Looks like I have to bit explain myself. After reading this I think my posts make more sense.


This is not sc2 arcade mafia.

I thought day 1 is just day for chat. Nothing happens before somebody brings evidency to table. Also I didnt know its insta lynch who gets most votes. So pretty much my day1 posts mean nothing. I felt like everybody is chatting (felt for me) and then suddenly Soren333 starts replying to those chatty posts. I thought it looked really funny and he even asked questions that I answered later but before he asked again.

Also I didnt know that scum means mafia. I realized scum means mafia way way later. "Everybody has little scum inside them" Isn't that just like some IRC chat? like talking to friends? Nobody trying to be serious kind of answer.

Why I voted somebody? Looks like you have to vote everyday or you get kicked out of the game. (again this is not sc2 mafia..). I just voted fearing maybe I forget or don't have time to vote and admins kick me out.

Why fear of death some ask? Well, I want to play this game and not to die? "I hope our cop or vigi is good". Again, I was expecting cop to give some "evidence" to table and then people discuss is that person trustful and can his claims even be possible.

But that's all wrong. Looks like you make your presumption based on chat. With feels quite weird to me now but I am noob playing this mafia for the first time and some here are experts. So I have to see how this works out.

So I think I have time to rethink who to vote so,
##UNVOTE
I feel that this is a key post from TheBloodyDwarf. After a long series of rules misunderstandings and not really adjusting to the game properly, TheBloodyDwarf states (in bold) that this is a different game than SC2 arcade mafia. Because of this post, I am willing to forgive him his previous errors. And from this point out, I expect to see him attempting to play the game in the forum mafia style, instead of the SC2 arcade mafia style. But I don't see him following through with this.
On April 10 2015 16:20 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
^^^And I voted for guy who I least liked so far^^^
This is one read that he provides, he says that he liked prplhz the least by the time he voted for him.
On April 11 2015 20:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Back to the point.

Call my blind but I just don't see anything really suspicious. I was going to vote for Ace but now he is gone.

Soren is bit weird tho. He comes to thread with fireguns bangging and then goes silent for moment. But nothing special. Also Stutters is really quiet.
On April 11 2015 23:45 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2015 22:32 rsoultin wrote:
O.o

Tube moving up lol but dude i think you may be high on something xP not a huge fan of narratives anyway. yours at least had me laughing?

dwarf could you please give reads? even if you like arent sure on any of them?

prp read is in part knowing him but mostly the nature of his posts. hes aggressive, has made some sharp comments/observations, and his reads adapt to what is going on in the thread rather than remaining static lol

you...returning to prp scumread after its poinyed out that you seemed to drop it, plus some of those posts that are pure commentary...id be happy to lynch you today >< what do you think about that?

I dont find anybody really suspicious..

Stutters695. Checking his filter and I mostly see questions. Looks like he doesn't really have own opinion but is asking others what do they think.

btw, I dont like you Tubesock, you have been chasing me from the beginning
TheBloodyDwarf also provides these two posts before End of Day, which actually provide sufficient explanation for his late vote on Stutters695.

There's really no reason to go either way on him. Since the post I first mentioned, his play has changed. I can see him as a new player who simply is having trouble finding suspicious things. However, outside of a possible toneread, I see no reason to townread him either, as he hasn't done anything amazing. I can easily see TheBloodyDwarf being either alignment, so I don't really want to lynch him today.

The most suspicious thing about him is really his inactivity, he hasn't shared any reads at all since Day 1. But that isn't really alignment indicative. He might need to be policy lynched eventually, but I see more reason to lynch The Shining, at least (if not others as well).
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