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On March 19 2015 11:15 Eden1892 wrote: i mean superbia CAN be a qt but he's not MY qt. no offense intended~ hey onegu guess what i'm eating rn I told you I'm not here... I am or am not groot, I would def be groot as I am big not small. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:26 Superbia wrote: Onegu are you hard claiming mason? This might change a few of my circles. Nope jus soft claim, hence am or am not. | ||
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On March 19 2015 11:22 Eden1892 wrote: well you might want to be here soon cuz I'M EATING PICKLES GET REKT ##Vote Eden | ||
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On March 19 2015 12:39 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin meta-read Alakaslam quite nicely in Down Under 2? If you don't think it's possible to read Alakaslam, what do you think about Holyflare scumreading him so confidently after only a handful of posts? Though Alakaslam is playing a different style this game, so... It was my read, mine! | ||
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On March 19 2015 13:19 rsoultin wrote: lol -sits on onegu's head- mine was totes better xP unless you can demonstrate the validity of your formula by applying it to past slam games ![]() Ok I will be back | ||
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Plz for the love of God everyone vote Eden or rsoultin. This spoiler shit needs to stop and then never happen again in future games. Groot out. | ||
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On March 19 2015 18:45 Palmar wrote: I only have a single card. Are you my friend? I have 8 cards but they are all face down would you like one? | ||
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Maybe, I have no idea how they came to be mine, but I feel I can give them away. | ||
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*Gives Palmar a random card Groot now only has 7 cards left | ||
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On March 20 2015 20:24 Vivax wrote: In lack of stronger scumreads, I might just lynch anyone who has less than 3 pages of filter. But I'm not VT and cba to care right now. Why lynch me? | ||
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On March 20 2015 17:34 Onegu wrote: I'm here but Cba to care atm irl shit. | ||
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On March 19 2015 22:35 Holyflare wrote: ^ also this kind of gives me the heebie jeebies about artanis atm too because i feel that he is only asking questions and making obvious posts Thought I was the only one who used heebie jeebies... | ||
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On March 20 2015 22:49 sicklucker wrote: People tend to townread people they like more just saying. For example im never townread. Just something to be aware of subconsciously to be the best town you can be My mason has you in his town pile so you are in mine! | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:35 Palmar wrote: and Onegu. I'm shit. I gave you a card how can you forget me? SCUM!!!! | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:41 rsoultin wrote: -shrugs- i will always have a tendency to scumread people who are interacting with someone in the thread while ignoring me when i'm trying to talk to them xP vote rayn /ignore | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: no you should vote for Lighntingstrike Sorry I'm going to sheep VIVAX when he votes | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is that adn why don't you then read my filter? You just told me not to | ||
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And I rng who I sheep and I rolled his number | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:04 sicklucker wrote: Oh god nevermind im not sheeping you Lol <3 | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote: SL make a case on me. Hope your not scum since I'm sleeping you | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote: You guys pick a lynch, I'm out tonight. I leave everything to onegu bro. But I rng who.I would sheep so everything is up to VIVAX... | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:33 rsoultin wrote: k gloves off first off, i did respond to your toad comment. that you didn't respond back before i made a comment on your other conversation is not my problem secondly, you said artanis should be calling damdy out on his activity. there is nothing fucking fallacious about saying damdy has been more active than you in giving reads >< and frankly i don't feel the need to damn well argue with you about whether artanis should or shouldn't have noticed something fundamentally wrong you prick thirdly, i was attempting to engage you in a conversation about toad in good faith and you decide to attack me for it? damdy i still want to lynch rayn >< /still ignore Blah blah blah. I'm a girl blah blah blah | ||
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On March 21 2015 04:41 rsoultin wrote: onegu is there a reason you're trying to irritate me right now? Maybe | ||
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On March 21 2015 22:15 rsoultin wrote: holyflare lol how angry would you be if i tried to lynch onegu tomorrow? xP >< his not doing a damn thing is annoying the shit out of me Blah blah blah | ||
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On March 22 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mafia is: Toadesstern Lightningstrike Superbia Trfel one of Artanis / rsoultin. read my post which will come later on today for reasoning, or my filter. Rsoultin | ||
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On March 22 2015 03:44 ExO_ wrote: Because he started the BM train. We were going to resolve the 2 vigi nonsense day 1, and then he came in and derailed it onto BM. rsoultin I feel like should've known better than to switch, so I find it odd that she did. I don't agree with the reasoning she gave me for switching. Palmar for that last second "yolo" vote. like wtf. And rayn is on the train too, but I was highly suspicious of that tracker claim he threw out there. Of all these people HF is probably the weakest scum read the more I think about it. But he did start the useless ass train onto BM. So I have to at consider him. Then why aren't you putting me in your scum list? | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:16 ExO_ wrote: Because I'm not sure if I want to accept it or not. But I have seen it and do think its possible, even likely. Like so bad, if you question it why wouldn't I not be on your scum list also? | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:06 Toadesstern wrote: nah man. Onegu is totally scum. But yeah less collateral damage is always good. 💔 | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:10 sicklucker wrote: Fine ill stop but it so obvious I dont see a point. No go on | ||
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On March 22 2015 05:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Noone can ever meta me. True story. I can still read you I am confidant but I'm lazy this game and you told.me not to read your filter | ||
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On March 22 2015 06:38 Toadesstern wrote: Fuck it, decision has been made. I'm pulling through, you're going to hate me, mafia will flip. We're all going to be happy. I've got this. The carry will be strong. 🙅 | ||
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Nope just looked at the doc | ||
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On March 22 2015 07:29 Holyflare wrote: ONEGU HOLD ME BRO WE GO DOWN TOGETHER ![]() How come you always get the princess? Think positive! | ||
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I never said HF was my partner didn't confirm either just acted along as I was advised. We thought he was vet | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:09 Damdred wrote: Oneg who is your mason partner? He can say if he wants. I'm not going to out him | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:45 Breshke wrote: Also why don't we know who onegus mason partner is I don't see why town shouldnt have this information Cuz I r awesome | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote: Also do people think mafia double stacked HF or stacked with a "vigi" on VE. I'm missing a lot of pages but i don't see a reason why mafia would have shot VE other than to help/throw doubt on a vigi Dumb to double stack mafia only reason would be if you thought he was vet and no reason to do that, medic saves from all shots | ||
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On March 22 2015 08:53 rsoultin wrote: nah, honestly i think it's best that i just claim right here tbh, cause it helps shed light on the night actions i JKd Onegu, and the breadcrumb was so damn obvious they'll prob shoot me tonight anyway lol Don't believe. Like why wouldn't you protect HF if you thought we were masons as he was the much better shot... | ||
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With 2 masons, 2 vigi, and a tracker claim. Plus orb. Even if one of these is scum, why would they think there is also a jk? So doing a medic dodge wouldn't make sense | ||
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On March 22 2015 09:15 Trfel wrote: Also, at this point we have four claimed blues. Two vigilantes, one tracker, and one jailkeeper. Is this too many blues, or is this reasonable? Mason | ||
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On March 19 2015 18:50 Onegu wrote: Rayn are you rocket? | ||
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On March 22 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote: Do you know why he fakeclaimed tracker then? Obv, Rayn fakeclaim s everything plus we thought either it draws a shot to him which confirms me or they just don't believe because he always does this | ||
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On March 22 2015 11:51 Toadesstern wrote: sorry but that makes you a little less townish and rayn a bit more townish... Why sorry? | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:03 rsoultin wrote: there was a lot of wifom there onegu...that's one problem with the viability of your claim rayn claiming tracker doesn't make a ton of sense when you'd already claimed mason? i mean...him flipping mason when everyone was saying you were masons with hf isn't exactly a brilliant plan if that's really what he was attempting Why not in that case I claim mason with Rayn and HG as town would.confirm I'm sure | ||
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On March 22 2015 11:59 Toadesstern wrote: why did you ask him wether he's Rocket? Followed up by wether Palmar is rocket? Aren't you supposed to be confirmed to each other? Didn't want to make it obvious. There is a reason I asked Rayn first | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:07 Trfel wrote: Wait... It's safe to assume that Vivax was in fact roleblocked, and that he is in fact a town vigilante. My question is, why didn't mafia kill the tracker (raynpelikoneet)? I suppose they could have roleblocked him, but two roleblockers seems strange for mafia. Killing Onegu instead of claimed tracker raynpelikoneet seems particularly strange, especially given that mafia killed Holyflare, the other part of the supposed mason pair. I doubt they believed him. He fakeclaims like everygame | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:08 rsoultin wrote: oh i agree certainly rayn and onegu have to be the same alignment the problem is the tracker claim under a small amount of pressure i kinda expect rayn to make a modicum of sense, you know? it just sounds weird o.0 if you want to draw a shot to confirm your mason buddy...why rayn over onegu? why not just claim mason? like the whole thing is strange We didn't want to out HF we thought he was vet. | ||
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Why else would.he claim. To be my mason partner. We thought he was.trying to draw.a.shot | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:11 Breshke wrote: So if onegu and rayn arnt mason they are mafia. This means that rso did not get a save. This means it is very likely toad is mafia because either mafia double stacked HF when there was no reason too. Or mafia also shot VE. I still haven't read a lot of what happend in the night and probs wont get to but I cant think why mafia would do that other than his PR claim Also a chance mafia hit a vet but idk how likely that is Why didn't she get a save, why does Rayn being my partner make me not be shot? | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: we're lynching lightningstrike, slam Your 100% town read | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:19 rsoultin wrote: ??? you don't have to be an ass. i can be wrong, and it's not like i didn't start doubting that do you have a question or are you just being cantankerous? Sorry the second one. When I misread Rayn in a game you can come back at me. | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:28 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and I will admit it I'm Mafia and I been really stressed out about my Grandpa dieing at the same time this game going on ![]() ![]() Also my image when I'm Mafia too: ![]() So yes I'm the Mafia Cat ![]() Sucks man, condolences. | ||
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On March 22 2015 12:48 Trfel wrote: Is there anyone else behind on their reading this game? If so, can I request silence until the end of the day such that we can catch up? XD + Show Spoiler + Yes, of course I'm joking, but it would be really nice for me.... Not that you guys need me anyway, I haven't provided any useful reads except for the orb. Haven't read over half the game... | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am fucking angry at these retarded people in this game. Damn it Rayn why wouldn't you go along with it for a bit... especially after a game where we were masons and you claimed mason with someone else, you would go along with it for a bit for the reads. I used my soul read on you. Now go read the interactions I had damdy looks interesting as he didn't believe the claim, then tell me in mason qt what you think. | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah rsoultin claim a jailkeeper who decided to protect Onegu because he is mason, OVER HOLYFLARE! Yeah, never. NEVER. Already said this... but don't see why scum fakeclaims there... | ||
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On March 22 2015 09:01 Onegu wrote: Don't believe. Like why wouldn't you protect HF if you thought we were masons as he was the much better shot... | ||
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On March 22 2015 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: /unconfirsm. Be,cause you posted this after people asked your results | ||
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On March 22 2015 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I tracked Vivax he didn't do anything. ##vote LighntingStrike After this lynch this,. Oops.totes.missed this post | ||
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Only possible thing I can think of is if the vig who said they shot VE was scum. Then they explain the missing shot by fake claiming JK | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:17 Eden1892 wrote: plus it's pants-on-head retarded for mafia to claim there imo. like that whole argument is hella contrived if exo is mafia. why not just claim a red check instead of saying "i checked her green. she's the godfather"? Maybe didn't check and thought town had a Rolecop.also | ||
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On March 22 2015 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Or Mafia shot Onegu. Or Onegu is mafia and tried to shoot. Vet is also a role in the game I heard someone say. Or.it's.Like I said and toad is scum who claims to shoot VE but is scum and then rsoul claims JK to explain the missing shot | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:07 sicklucker wrote: I do. I said theres no way there masons together. Since it was onegu who claimed and hf kind of just trolled his way to being his fake partner its always going to be onegu thats real. Remember the post you made about beware your fake partner were you scum reading HF. I told you to go on but you didnt | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:08 sicklucker wrote: Also my read on onegu is that hes not a very serious and lazy player. Its in his bio to claim day 1 so he is not bothered to acualy play the game. Depends on the game, check bttb mafia | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So are you saying Rso is scum too? Because scum couldn't have known there was a JK in the game next to all the already claimed blues. So many blues claimed already decent yolo play. I have scum read her for a while | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:13 sicklucker wrote: Onegu you also said your partner townread me. But hf was not reading me town at that point of the game. Do you understand that im town yet onegu? My real mason TR you. I believe you are town. Ok now I know.why you didn't believe HF was my partner | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Are you conveniently ignoring the 26 page filter? Jeez I'm.so.tired.of.this as.a.excuse now. Players understand to post now as scum. | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:15 sicklucker wrote: I was told she claimed cop with a green check. Oh wait someone claimed a green check on her. Why did she claim wtf I was not aware of this Exo claimed a VT check on her when town doesn't have a rolecop | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Onegu who IS your mason partner? If you lie about it one more time I will policy lynch you D3. Fine lynch me | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:25 sicklucker wrote: Onegu im not saying the fact hf died and I knew he was faking a role clears me as town. But can you at least agree its points in my favor? Why would I ever let my mafia team nk a likely medic save that I know is faking a role? Yes I am town reading you why are you still on this. Already said I believe you are town | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: JUST SAY IT WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU They don't want to be outed yet. I'm not.going to out them if they don't want it out there | ||
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On March 22 2015 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You know that can just be an excuse to say you have no actual mason and are actually mafia right? If you were town your greatest responsibility is to not get mislynched, so you would do everything in your power to prove your alignment. Claiming who your mason partner is can greatly help in that. No its not. Helping town win is is my greatest responsibility. If my mason thinks it's best to not be outed yet I'm not going to. If my mislynch gives tons of info then so be it | ||
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On March 23 2015 12:53 Onegu wrote: And nope not claiming partner | ||
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On March 23 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote: Who are you mason with? Why should we not lynch raynpelikoneet? Soul read. Also I have been scum and mason with Rayn. I never do anything without getting an ok first. So if you think I would and we are scum together you are wrong. | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:00 Eden1892 wrote: i read all of this together as "policy lynch me d3" Eden how much info does.my flip give? Yes I should.be the lynch | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:02 Eden1892 wrote: i give precisely this many fucks about info from a lynch: Then you are bad | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:03 Eden1892 wrote: i want you lynched because i pretty much don't at all believe that any competent mafia wastes kp on you when you literally aren't doing anything period Exactly!!! So why would town rsoul protect me. So when I flip town it looks really bad on toad because of missing kp and rsoul because of same thing | ||
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Then you hit scum. Win win. But when I flip town I will troll you in every game from now.on if you lynch Rayn over toad | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote: lol onegu it won't look bad on me if you flip town xP or on toad i'm not sure why you think that Because I really doubt I was shot. And we have a missing KP. | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:16 Onegu wrote: @Eden If I am town what percentage chance I was shot? And don't you dear use your rsoul read to adjust. | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:22 rsoultin wrote: who is going to look at an onegu flipped town and go oh well...i guess that means rsoul was lying about jking a claimed mason what happened to the KP? lol >< your logic is based on nothing but that you don't believe i'd jk you Why I said lynch toad first. | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote: okay well, that's a nice conspiracy theory i guess? so i assume that you also believe there is no jk in the game at all and i'm the godfather? I don't believe a VT check on you. Hosts will never confirm btw as it confirms Edo if town or scum/dumb if wrong. | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:31 Toadesstern wrote: not to mention that the whole thing required rsoultin and me to be mafia together and both fakeclaim blue and ... just hope that there's no real jailer? But hey, rayn's tracker claim is totally legit I think it is. Rayn claim that is. Plus with all the blue claims already why not fake claim. Like if mafia has like 4 goons they know.it's a low PR game and with multiple claims.already... | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:35 Toadesstern wrote: well if you're jailer you're probably dead soonish, so not like there's a need to worry about this. LS is claimed mafia and so is rayn. Should solve itself Why write this now? | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:38 Toadesstern wrote: did you actually read what he figured out about Rayn recently? He's confirmed mafia at this point. We're considering to lynch him before LS who claimed mafia in the thread. Nope I haven't read much | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:38 rsoultin wrote: onegu why were you scumreading me before my claim? Gut, Plus some thing my mason partner said. He had you null at the time but I thought you were worse | ||
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On March 23 2015 13:45 rsoultin wrote: okay, so i'm gonna be honest with you here, bud you've been pretty obnoxious to me all game...when you were town you weren't obnoxious to your scumreads when we were trying to solve the game together in down under, and snickers was a pain to deal with what made me not only so bad you thought I was scum, but so bad you're going to be obnoxious about it as well? all this says is that you thought i was scum and i asked you why Sorry you feel this way. Sorry I was rude early. But check my past I give reads where the only thing I say was gut. Not being rude here just honest. | ||
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On March 23 2015 14:02 rsoultin wrote: even gut reads are based on something? usually tone...which i make lots of reads that way, so i know it doesn't seem strong but surely you can elaborate Tbh 100%, not rude. I can't remember... guess I could look at your filter, but like I'm really not in a good place right now. Trying to get out of the funk now, so I apologize. | ||
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On March 23 2015 14:15 Onegu wrote: No no I remember it was how you reacted to my mason claim, saying everyone is masons. Then how you reacted to my trolling was off. Like I felt your reaction was over the top, I was rude but didn't think it was that bad. Like how you reacted to Robik was completely different and I wasn't 1% of that | ||
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On March 23 2015 14:15 Onegu wrote: No no I remember it was how you reacted to my mason claim, saying everyone is masons. Then how you reacted to my trolling was off. Like I felt your reaction was over the top, I was rude but didn't think it was that bad. Remember the joke I made about you flipping red with the Miller thing. The mason thing reminded me of that. | ||
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On March 23 2015 14:21 Eden1892 wrote: so your working theory at this point is that one scum who's been pretty townie this game fakeclaimed vig and in order to cover his tracks his partner who's also been pretty townie this game fakeclaimed jailkeeper and in order to cover her tracks a third scum fakeclaimed cop with a greencheck on the second meanwhile the guy who hardclaimed tracker to his scumread when not under any pressure in the thread to claim is legit Yes, since when does rayns claims make.sense | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:27 rsoultin wrote: :/ you know i really don't get it when people drop conversations with me just sayin' like you're obviously still here eh whatever you do it, rayn does it, exo does it...i'll just pretend it doesn't bug me -_- Sorry, what do you want me to say | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:50 Toadesstern wrote: speaking of which. I TOTALLY HAVE MORE BULLETS Cuz your scum? | ||
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On March 23 2015 15:54 Toadesstern wrote: I might be, who knows Ok n2 claimed shot on town me I'm calling it now | ||
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On March 23 2015 21:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Guys, I have a feeling LS is getting bussed. There's 15 votes on him. Crap. Palmar change your vote so I can follow you_ | ||
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On March 23 2015 21:35 Palmar wrote: No, how will I collect town cred if I'm not lynching the mafia? But I have to sheep you and I don't want to bus anymore | ||
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On March 23 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Poker is fun until you log a million hands, lose all patience and start tilting at regular intervals. That's when things get interesting | ||
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Man I got excited I wouldn't have to bus | ||
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On March 24 2015 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Artanis why am i not in your town list? Dude like I'm the only one town reading you | ||
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@Palmar why didn't you get passed at artanis for.calling you scum with the PoE reason? Basically had to.wait until xxx was finished for this, but you caught me because I scum read you with PoE and you jumped all over me for it. | ||
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On March 24 2015 12:26 rsoultin wrote: for me it's a feeling of him being outside the game instead of mingling he'll start shit fights for no reason, whether he thinks people are scum or not, and perpetuate them he won't work with people to crystallize his reads, or to get where there heads are at at least this yardstick worked last game lolol He does this as both alignments though. Especially d1. Look at the game he was masons with me he tunneled keirathi into the ground and didn't listen to.others | ||
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Null. No reason to do this as either alignment. | ||
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On March 25 2015 10:47 Superbia wrote: Onegu, walk us through your claim. Why'd you fake claim? Why did you accept HF's fakeclaim and rolled with it? Thought I'd get good reads off of it. Had town read on HF and thought he was Vet trying to eat a shot. | ||
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On March 25 2015 11:01 Vivax wrote: I'm weighing in the pros and cons of lynching 1gu: Pros: - Super low activity but it's Onegu. Not much of a pro. - Fakeclaiming isn't cool for that long as it gives a feel of being deceited hard Cons: - Artanis is pushing for his lynch - Scum killed HF blowing up Onegu's cover when an alive HF would have at least kept up the impression Cont. with Slam Yeah maybe I should have come clean sooner but I thought it was possible I could have been shot again if I kept it up. | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote: But if Onegu is town, he knows that rsoultin just saved him. That or one of the vigilantes is lying. If Onegu wasn't scumreading both of the vigilantes, this seems rather disconnected and suspicious. I was scum on both, a bit less on artanis because of the RB claim, but I was screaming toad was scum, what's your point here? | ||
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Whoever the second vigi claim was. | ||
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On March 25 2015 13:06 Toadesstern wrote: Was and hopefully still is Vivax. Do you still think I'm mafia after Palmar the guy that nonstop pushed me d1, with lots of people mentioning that he wouldn't tell people to bus if he's mafia, flipped red btw? Already said I think your town. I think I did... If not I think you are town now. | ||
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On March 25 2015 10:49 Onegu wrote: Btw don't think Rayn's slot is scum still. Looks like I was shot then so toad must be town. Breshke get in here and vote so I can sheep you | ||
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On March 25 2015 12:57 Onegu wrote: I was scum on both, a bit less on artanis because of the RB claim, but I was screaming toad was scum, what's your point here? Answer plz | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: I don't see why Onegu is town yet. The following assumes Onegu is mafia: Choosing to fake mason with Holyflare makes sense. He gets basic towncredit, and it gives him room to rescind his mason claim later. This didn't affect mafia's night kill, if anything this would have affected Onegu's initial decision. It's not like Holyflare was going to let Onegu slide on a mason claim if it became detrimental to town anyway. Basically, Onegu gets a little towncredit and gives him room to pull out of mason claims later in the game. And I'm still worried about ritoky. I think his scumplay was extremely solid in Down Under 2. I don't see him doing anything so far that he couldn't do as scum. The only reason to townread him was Palmar being suspicious of raynpelikoneet, but apparently a lot of people were suspicious of him, so some pressure doesn't seem that unlikely. That said, I didn't read this part of the game. Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. Why are you assuming I'm mafia? What are talking about NK? I really don't uderstand what you are saying about the NK part. | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote: That's how to play the game, look at how someone's plays make sense from a mafia perspective.... Ideally, the reasons that everyone's plays make sense from a town perspective are obvious. What I'm saying is that if you are mafia, killing Holyflare really has no effect on your alignment being known. That's the point. here is the problem with that, why did HF claim to be my partner? I came to the conclusion as town that he was vet. If I was scum I would think the same thing and not shoot him. The fact he was shot and a KP missing points more toward scum believing I am town and scum believed the mason claims and shot us both. | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:36 sicklucker wrote: So I think todays lynch is between onegu and slam. Both have had the longest chance to help town but have refused. Onegu is rng who he votes which in hind site probably ment he was not really a mason... I'm helping town and also confirmed you town while I was at it | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote: oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming. my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses Like how did a fake mason claim hurt town if I'm town, and how is it smart as scum. Therefor it's not BS. | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:44 Trfel wrote: There was no reason for Holyflare not claiming mason partner with you. Before the game started, I actually considered plenty of ways to fake claim mason. Holyflare claiming mason with you had no downside, and had the benefit of being interesting and fun. I'm sure Holyflare had a lot of fun pretending to be mason with you. I don't see why Holyflare claiming mason makes him veteran. Though I suppose I can see mafia thinking this if they know Holyflare isn't actually a mason, but I would expect them to risk shooting him anyway. Lol if you have reason to believe someone is VET you don't risk shooting them until you have to. And if I'm scum and know he's not mason it's very logical to think he has a much better than normal chance to be a vet. | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:49 ritoky wrote: what did you gain from the claim? from my perspective all it added was unnecessary confusion and lies that makes the game harder to solve. that is mafia's job, not town. it's not like your claim led to a lynch or found scum, it just made the game harder for everyone else except the mafia. thus it is BS. Nope it has confirmed sicklucker as town, plus I'm going to go back to the point I claimed mason with Rayn to see who didn't believe, but that is moreso if you flip scum which I don't think is likely. Also it made mafia miss a shot as I got n1 protection while getting shot. So what were you saying about it not helping town? | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:50 Trfel wrote: It doesn't hurt town all that much if you're smart about it. As scum, it potentially keeps you alive for longer, and I could see scum risking claiming mason with a scumbuddy (yes, I'm still suspicious of raynpelikoneet/ritoky). I think you ought to be read independent of your claim. And I don't see much that suggests you are town, though I haven't taken a close look yet. See this is fine. But If I am scum with Rayn why wouldn't Rayn confirm? I have already said this and you can check I have rolled mafia and mason with Rayn and I don't do anything without letting Rayn know and ok it. | ||
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On March 25 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote: isn't SL town for shooting a mafia in the face? and idk shit about the night actions, but if it did something, then cool, but dunno if it counterbalances the confusion caused. Yeah I guess, but even if he didn't shoot mafia in the face I would have confirmed him. So lucky he got the orb and it worked, but if he didn't I would have confirmed him | ||
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On March 25 2015 15:03 Trfel wrote: I know you say that, but it seems like a very reasonable thing to happen in my opinion. And I can't take your word for it, for obvious reasons. ## mafia as scum Slytherin mafia and masons Xxx mafia as scum Slitherin has a good example as I wanted to CC one of his fake claims posted in qt then waited for him to get back. But don't take my word for go check | ||
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On March 25 2015 15:07 ritoky wrote: the town literally spent the end of night phase walking into walls in the dark waiting on you, and basically resolved the claim for you? idk since i entered the game it has been pretty much a top 3 point of confusion and contention Well you came in N2 and I had said I would claim with 20 min before deadline, but then went out to eat with my mom. I wanted to wait again beacuse I might have been shot again. Doubtful but possible. | ||
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On March 25 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote: See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch. Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town. This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare. I am not inclined to lynch him? FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS MY READ AND MY LYNCH, I WAS FIRST TO VOTE HIM, MY REASONS WERE BETTER AND MY FORMULA WORKS. | ||
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On March 03 2015 16:31 Onegu wrote: No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5+day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town. | ||
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On March 26 2015 09:40 Trfel wrote: Onegu, can you clarify the bolded please? I thought Rayn was tracker | ||
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On March 26 2015 10:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I did some meta reading. Also Palmar seemingly committing on Onegu if he doesn't claim (which, if Onegu is mafia, Palmar already knows Onegu can't/won't do) is also an argument in his favour. What are you saying? I was scum in neat and tidy... | ||
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On March 27 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote: but did he do it on day1 artanis? rayn would never bus his whole team day1 He did in XXX | ||
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On March 27 2015 00:44 Trfel wrote: I already stated why I don't think that Onegu fake-claiming mason is something that is bad for mafia to do. Therefore, I am inclined to think that Onegu is scum for the following reasons:
However, I'm not sure if he will be back before the deadline. And with his son recently having gone through surgery, today is the very worst day to push him. Although objectively, I think he is the best lynch, I am not sure if pushing him today is the best idea. It's dumb to double stack in a large game period. A lot of my reads are gut based. Doesn't matter how I got to them not a scum tell thought a non tracker Rayn would go with my mason claim Didn't read rayn's filter until then so I didn't have my soul read on him until then | ||
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On March 27 2015 01:23 Trfel wrote: I'm still not really sold on the whole "Palmar said he's scum, so he's town" thing. And I think it's reasonable that both Onegu and raynpelikoneet were mafia together. I can see Onegu doing something without asking first (I can't verify Onegu saying that he never would), and I can see raynpelikoneet checking the thread before the scum qt. I gave you the games we had QT's together if you are scum reading me for this then go verify. This is so bad dude | ||
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On March 27 2015 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: so you knew from the start that Rayn was fakeclaiming, as a result claimed mason buddy with rayn because you thought he'd go along. Then faked your read on him as well as your mafia read on me based on "Rayn is telling the truth, so you or Vivax have to be fakeclaiming" ? Am I understanding this correctly? I thought he took his claim back. When he wrote /unconfirmed right after being asked about who he tracked, I missed his next post saying he tracked VE | ||
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On March 22 2015 18:07 Onegu wrote: Be,cause you posted this after people asked your results | ||
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On March 27 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote: I read your filter. And I'm scumreading you anyway. I'll be back in a few hours. Convince me. No you aren't. If you had read my interaction with Rayn right after he said we weren't masons you would already understand this | ||
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On March 27 2015 02:39 Toadesstern wrote: what's with this one Onegu: that's from when you were talking about why you don't like me during n2 I think... and you just said you believed he was tracker.,.. Ok last time. Rayn was asked who he tracked right after this he wrote /unconfirmed I took this to mean he was taking his claim back. Hence he was fake claiming. So I claimed mason with him thinking he would go with it for a while because he fake claimed mason with someone in a game we recently played together. Then he says we aren't masons. I get mad at him. Ask him why he didn't go along with my claim. He says he is tracker and points to the post where he says he tracked VE. I didn't see that post. This leads me to believe his claim. | ||
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Look at the date and time of this post. This is the point I believed rayn's claim. Before this I thought it was fake. After I thought was real | ||
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On March 27 2015 02:52 Toadesstern wrote: Town soul read on Rayn. Scum read on you and Raul... My death would show me as town and I thought make you scum but my logic was wrong | ||
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On March 27 2015 02:59 Alakaslam wrote: Toad is real vig and deserves more sheep than anyome God I hope breshke votes you. My formula is real. Eden didn't do the math right as it 5+3 as what needs multiplied not just 5 as you use more chupazi, svengali, and hijole in the start and less as the game goes on. But it's still negative which makes you scum. | ||
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On March 27 2015 03:04 Toadesstern wrote: ooooh, I thought you meant the other way around as in you started out with believing him and at that point you realized it was fake... but I still don't like this: I mean you know you're not going to flip mason. So why lie about that in that situation? You could have as well just said "once I flip town" or whatever else. This just doesn't feel like you fakeclaimed to get something good out of it at all and just strengthens my believe that you did it just for you, hence using it to get me lynched when you even knew yourself you're not mason Im still going to flip town. Yes I'm not going to confirm someone but at the time my brain thought it would make you scum. | ||
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On March 27 2015 04:21 Fecalfeast wrote: aw no shenanies? My vote is already locked in sorry | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote: so wait what is vivax? My mason partner | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:19 Trfel wrote: ##vote Onegu Lol can't take a joke I see | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote: he argument between artanis and superbia made superbia look worse because i understood what artanis was saying whereas I had no idea wtf superbia was trying to say/do. That being said superbia should still not be lynched today. Im down for lynching onegu or slam maybe FF but not theres a reason id rather not explain why that is bad this phase. The people who say slam could be mafia but we shouldnt lynch him and just sort him out with the orb arn't really thinking it through because the orb has a 50% chance to do nothing if slam knows he is going to be orbed and you can literally say the same thing about anyone else you push on. ##Vote Onegu Sorry you have to change your vote as I cannot self vote | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:09 Breshke wrote: he argument between artanis and superbia made superbia look worse because i understood what artanis was saying whereas I had no idea wtf superbia was trying to say/do. That being said superbia should still not be lynched today. Im down for lynching onegu or slam maybe FF but not theres a reason id rather not explain why that is bad this phase. The people who say slam could be mafia but we shouldnt lynch him and just sort him out with the orb arn't really thinking it through because the orb has a 50% chance to do nothing if slam knows he is going to be orbed and you can literally say the same thing about anyone else you push on. ##Vote Onegu Btw this guy could be scum as he gives reasons why he would vote these people but not for me yet he votes me... | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:13 Breshke wrote: Onegu i forgot you rng to sheep me. This post was weird as fuck because you say you want me to vote slam which makes me think you thought i was town then you vote me. I forgot about the sheep thing. Im switching to slam Sounds good | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:17 Onegu wrote: ##UNVOTE ##Vote: Alakaslam Also lol at ten ninja votes | ||
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Well I claim VT now! | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:29 Superbia wrote: Dude you can't keep saying this. It's making me want to flip on you every time. This isn't the first time you've called someone town and also that you want to lynch them. He is being TR for the orb tracking scum LS, but I think that could be a bus at this point. He isn't reading my filter much yet scum reading me. Then gives a reason I am scum with Rayn about the mason thing, I say that's not true because I always listen to Rayn when we share QT and he brings it up again without verifying what I said. | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:30 ritoky wrote: yeah but you already cashed that check in. can't double dip. Damnit! | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:33 sicklucker wrote: then thats a legit reason to vote onegu. Onegu asking for slam votes for self preservation I felt. How do you come to this? | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:40 sicklucker wrote: He thinks slams a mislynch and your pushing it. Not saying I agree but it adds up My formula doesn't lie | ||
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On March 27 2015 07:58 Breshke wrote: It is fairly scary though that Sl and trefel are on onegu and are most likely confirmed town. I get Sl's vote doesn't mean shit at the moment because he isnt around but it still gives me pause Trfel is far from confirmed I'd bus a LS that didn't want to play anymore | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin's jailkeep on Fecalfeast doesn't prevent Fecalfeast from carrying KP. I thought that it did. Wait jk doesn't prevent KP then I'm confirmed town | ||
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On March 27 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin's jailkeep on Fecalfeast doesn't prevent Fecalfeast from carrying KP. I thought that it did. You are wrong had to check OP you naughty guy | ||
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![]() I'm here for a bit, what's going on? | ||
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So I will be sheeping artanis today. | ||
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On March 28 2015 08:10 sicklucker wrote: I will be lynching onegu for rnging at this point of the game... I said I'd rng all game. I'll push my lynch but it's up to artanis to direct my vote. | ||
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On March 28 2015 20:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ctrl-F Damdred in Ritoky's filter, 90 results. Ctrl-F Onegu, 46 results. Ctrl-F Breshke, 28 results. Ctrl-F Superbia, 22 results. Ctrl-F Fecal, 22 results. Ritoky seems much more concerned with going after Damdred than finding out who's mafia in the PoE group, which COULD be town but if I'm right it also really serves a mafia agenda. I'm fine with lynching him today. Also ok with Superbia. Out of these two id more prefer superbia over ritoky. The wagons went off of him onto two town wagons. Plus I had my Rayn soul read and it would really devistate me if this was the first time I was wrong. | ||
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On March 29 2015 01:17 Vivax wrote: There's just one problem I see with the NK. Why was he killed over Trfel who killed a scum on D2 through his claim? I trust Eden to solve the game over trfel no offense, and Eden wasn't being lynched today | ||
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On March 29 2015 03:30 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is onegu assumed to be town, again? Because I am mason? | ||
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On March 29 2015 07:14 Superbia wrote: Who's around right now. I am | ||
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On March 29 2015 10:25 ritoky wrote: Referendum to everyone in the game: I have now been playing longer than Rayn was playing. If you make a read on my slot and it includes more about Rayn than about me, I will not address it in the slightest and regard it as uninformed baby spittle. LOOKING AT YOU SUPERBIA Area ou ok with me sticking to my read on Rayn? | ||
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On March 29 2015 13:24 Trfel wrote: I see three practical possibilities for the Night 1 KP. Assuming that Onegu, Vivax, and Toadesstern town, we know that Onegu was shot. At this point, I am fine with these assumptions (though Onegu could still possibly be mafia). 1. Raynpelikoneet is mafia (this is obvious, as a claimed tracker, he should have been shot) 2. Scum has two roleblockers 3. Scum was scared enough of the Holyflare/Onegu mason pair that they wanted to kill both (preventing any sort of "if I die" post from the mason QT beign posted), more scared of this than a tracker Is it likely that scum has two roleblockers in this game? And also, what were Holyflare's final stances on people? Scum have only flipped goon so far and we are assuming 2 town vigi, plausible there are two scum RB | ||
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On March 29 2015 23:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Vote Superbia +1 | ||
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On March 29 2015 23:58 Superbia wrote: Also I think today should be revolved about Ritoky and Onegu. But who cares. Let's lynch someone whom's flip is going to tell us nothing! And what does my lynch tell you? | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 3 votes with most certain townreads filled in as green: Alakaslam (7): Vivax, Damdred, Breshke, Eden1892, Onegu, Artanis[Xp], Superbia Onegu (4): Trfel, sicklucker, FecalFeast, ritoky Superbia (2): Alakaslam, Toadesstern If Breshke is scum, there's a good chance Superbia is scum as he was the first PoE player to move off Superbia. He moved onto Onegu at first, then onto Slam 5 minutes later, showing little preference between the two. This suggests that in a Breshke scum world, Onegu is probably town. As the wagons were forming, Fecal went pretty quickly for Onegu and didn't go off anymore until the end. He voted for Onegu when Onegu was at 2 votes and Slam was at 2 votes. If Fecal is mafia, Onegu is probably town. This means that in a world where Onegu is scum, his most likely partners would be Superbia (didn't choose a side until the end) and Damdred (least confirmed non-PoE player), presuming mafia had no intention of bussing. TBF I bus the shit out of my scum mates | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:39 ritoky wrote: we have been over this twice before lol. the basics are fake claim = town confusion = good for mafia = mafia motivations. Not all fake claims are bad. I mean seriously. It didn't quite accomplish what I wanted but in a world where SL doesn't get the orb he still becomes almost confirmed town with how he reacted to HF being my mason partner. And I don't think it was that confusing plus I drew a mafia shot, how is that not good for town? | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Here's where Breshke voted for Onegu: The single post he made in between: Post after which he votes for Slam: It seems Breshke voted for Onegu because Onegu voted for Breshke, which I think he did since he said he'd sheep Breshke and Breshke hadn't voted anyone yet. I still find the whole situation really weird though and I want Breshke to explain wtf was going on and why he switched to Onegu and then to Slam. I also want to know from Onegu if my supposed reason for his Breshke vote is correct. This is correct I was reminded of vote and If something came up I wanted my vote someone and since i rng'd him I put my vote there until he voted. | ||
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On March 30 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote: or you could have been mafia prevented from delivering a shot? lol jk works both ways. Yes could be but I am town so I ate a shot. People have already pointed out why this is more likely. So when I flip town I can be justified post game with my claim when people bitch about it | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Onegu swore fealty to me so he had to vote with me. Superbia might be a bus, they might both be mafia or it's simply a mafia team that doesn't include Ritoky which I find fairly believable at this point. Could easily be Super/Breshke/FF. This is basicly my scum team btw | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Not right now but I'd just like more people trying to figure the game out, making sure if their reads make sense, look for shit everywhere and not just idle all the time. It bothers me even if it looks like PoE is looking good. Will read FF breshke and damdred tonight promise | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:23 Damdred wrote: Oneg, do you think arts post is weird asking vivax who goes off on anything forever if it's gets in his head or am I over thinking thid Link plz | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fine, I'll trust you. ##Unvote ##Vote FecalFeast +1 | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax are you not concerned about Damdred? I'd be happy to carpet bomb into the rest of PoE but Damdred is seriously starting to worry me. This one? Seems fine to me, like we are running out of people who could be mafia and you are one of them even though I doubt it at this point. I really feel artanis is the person trying to figure the game out, normal he would want to look at you again. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm cool with that. I wanted to lynch Superbia anyway. Onegu, are you ready? ##Unvote ##Vote Superbia +1 | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Breshke +1 | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Superbia +1 | ||
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On March 27 2015 06:38 Onegu wrote: Is the only reason trfel is town because he red checked a LS that didn't want to play anymore? | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically I don't think I'll ever want to lynch SL but I could be convinced if someone made really strong arguments. I'll look into Damdred tonight when Toad's around. I'd also like to see someone analyze me and/or comment on my towncases. SL is town not only for shooting Palmar but because he didn't believe me and HF were masons posted so in thread and me and HF still got shot. You are town because I don't see scum putting the effort into the thread when it's basicly dead any way. Toad is town for the same reason plus there is no missing shot from n1. Vivex I believed over Toad at the start with his claim and the way he stuck by it plus filter size, I normally hate this argument but when the difference is this big it makes sense. Trfel is where I would put As your SL, like how can you say a mafia SL could chance a shot on palmar who is a better player but trfel couldn't chance it on LS? | ||
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On March 30 2015 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Trfel First reason is a tone thing. Does Mafia really make a point of asking this again after someone's already asked it? It's just so tonally weird that I find it hard to imagine Mafia doing it. It would've been a lot stronger if Superbia flipped mafia, but I feel it's still a towntell. Second thing I notice is confidence. This post also feels very town from a tonal point of view. "Scumreading me for these reasons is okay, scumreading me for anything else is terrible." It showcases a confidence that I don't think Trfel is the type to fake. Also not attempting to bury people who have flipped town: Doesn't bury Slam: Then there's obviously his orb claim, tracking a mafia LS. Since we know Palmar was part of the mafia team, unless mafia believed that Rayn was indeed a tracker (in which case Ritoky is town), I doubt they'd be worried about a track and would simply let Palmar take the credit. Trfel's not known for having the strongest scumgame and I don't think they would sacrifice LS just for his cred. At this point, I'm happy to call Trfel town and resign to losing the game if he is not. Im meh on tone reads. Plus as scum I almost never bury town, if he buried them I think that's more townie than not. If town is going to lynch town why not just let them do it? | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm pretty sure he only mentioned that after the shot though, so that doesn't hold too much water. It's the same argument for both players. I just think the rest of Trfel's filter shows a very townie mindset whereas I can pick a few things in SL's filter I think are also townie but am not as convinced in as Trfel. SL said something day one that was like beware of the lying mason partner | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:19 sicklucker wrote: onegu if you are really a mason why dont you like? sheep your partner? I think your lying | ||
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On March 22 2015 04:49 sicklucker wrote: I know only one of you are really a mason because it would be really retarded if you both claimed for no reason. Be very careful with whoever the one who is faking being your partner. Then this n1 | ||
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On March 31 2015 04:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Actually it's not all that cunning. The idea is pretty simple; Everyone reads up on Damdred's filter, maybe some meta as well, makes their own opinion, then posts when they're ready. Once we're all ready we post it at the same time so we have a bunch of original thoughts, then discuss it. I'd consider waiting till EoN but only having 20 minutes to discuss could be a problem, idk. Ok will do | ||
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On March 31 2015 06:44 Vivax wrote: Betting SL's right nut that it had to do with yourself. Lol | ||
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On March 22 2015 11:03 Damdred wrote: 100% I believe it in this scenario. It was pretty obvious that HF was fake claiming though he dropped enough hints. SL picked up on one of them. And hes obviously confirmed town either way. If we have another blue maybe hes fake claiming but hes still town | ||
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On March 22 2015 02:46 Damdred wrote: I'm going to be working from this mostly tonight tomorrow i'll probably expand a bit more or Monday depending on time constraints, I kind of want to look at the other wagons and see how they fell apart but this is probably the most important i'm deleting the failed wagons at this point but leaving wagons with single voters on it. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Firstly I want to talk about the claims a bit going forward, HF and Oneg are confirmed town. There is no reason at all for mafia to claim Mason early in the game. For starters you give up two of your team mates just in case one flips on a cop check or a rogue vigilante shot. They are the easiest people in the game to confirm 100%. Its idiotic for anyone to say that HF or Onegu are scum because of X. HF made the right call in the long run if HF flips scum, then onegu has to flip scum. its simple, mafia don't claim mason in this type of situation so people quit being bad. Two vigilantes are sort of likely in my mind. BH has had two vigilantes before in one of his games which makes ti more possible and then when you add in the orb which is basically a randomized killer in some instances it sort of makes more sense to me. The orb can act as another kill power for mafia or town, so another vig to help with a bit of balance makes a little sense to me. For now i'd rather just leave this alone and focus elsewhere. Rayns tracker claim is possibly the most meh to me as its hard for me to see so many hard confirming roles on people especially with masons in the game. I still think it might be true at this point though. (And 5 power roles makes sense in this setup with a weaker mason and a weak tracker also. Three weak roles and two strongers mafia probably has stronger roles in this setup as well if this is the case) ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Now moving back to the voting, Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes, sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Not Voting (0): Taking out the strikes at this juncture just for a clearer reading. Here we have confirmed BM who flipped green pushed by Mason HF to not lynch into the claims. We have claimed mason partner onegu on LS, with confirmed towny BM. We also have Tracker Rayn on BM. Also apart from the claims HF looks really towny himself, he pushed his own ideas early and helped get conversation started without stone walling anything. He pushed a lynch onto a towny he did but town is more than likely to be wrong than right especially early on. Vivax a part from the claim actually looks better after a glance at his filter, he tried really hard and his reads that he gave at the end especially towards little things like Art and myself actually had really good insightful things in them. He acted the part of town dying really well if hes scum and I don't think he can do it that well as scum i'm pretty sold of Vivax being town in this situation. His early filter screamed scum to me early but after that point he just looks really towny especially after the claim. Toads actions around the claim look decently towny to me at this point. Some of his thought process is jumbeled but I don't see the point of a mafia CC there just to go 1-1 especially if its a real scum vigi at this juncture. Its dumb to give up your shot in that sense for a shot at lynching the town vigilante. It just doesn't make logical sense to me to do that. I colored myself green since i'm confirmed to myself at least _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes, sicklucker (1): Alakaslam My next stop is on the Eden and FecalFeast train. These two are probably my top two towns at this point in time, some of it is gut feelings but most of it is based on the play in the game up to this point. FecalFeast has played extremely aggressive up to this point. He has questioned people pretty doggedly and pushed his own ideas forward. He cased LS earlier in the game and it wasn't a bad case I think hes put in the most work in trying to figure out peoples alignments and figure out motivations through his postings. hes really towny and has a filter that shows that hes trying to solve the game. Eden has shown an interesting amount of play this game. Eden has been involved in almost everything that has been going on in the thread besides a few quick breaks and catching up. Also has shown to re-evaluate the game as the game has went along and has obviously been paying close attention and showing the thread his thought process. The questions that he asks and the pressure that he tries to apply to people look towny to me and the anger (which he is obviously trying to stop) looks like it is coming from town Eden. I am really sure that this is Eden also at times you can see a real lack of knowing what to do that I can see coming from town Eden, while at the same time pushing his own thoughts and feelings in the thread to try to get things done. _______________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes, sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Now we come to the hard portion of the reads, I have Rsoultin, Breshke as town. Rsoultins filter was absolutely HORRIBLE to get through at this point (really shame on you rs for derailing the thread at point for hideous things to talk about *finger wagging*). But besides the derailing you can see how Rsoultin is going through the thread and trying to get people to post there thoughts to get more information from it, it feels more relaxed than any scum game I have currently seen Rsoultin play While it lacks a lot of amazing things to be frank it does have a clear consistant thread going through it that you can follow on who she scum reads and why. Breshke I started off as scum reading because of lack of activity at points and a real lack of effort pushing the game forward. However Breshke re-entered the thread after that and seamlessly changed my mind, he was involved in things he posted his own thoughts and pushed the thread forward. At points he challenged sl on the read and seemed to want to evaluate people based on what they were saying. The scum game that Breshke normally plays with is horrible, and I just don't think I can see Bresh as scum at this point in time. They are both solid town at this point. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Slam is probably scum in this situation sadly. My earlier read on slam was that he was trying to take the game more serious and that his attack on HF was indicative of a town slam trying to be different. This is true that slam can be serious and still be town, HOWEVER there was another tell that I use to distinguish between town slam and scum slam that I didn't want to reveal till I got to see more of what he does. Lazy slam+Serious slam=scum slam. Anytime slam is serious and active in the thread and doing things such as attacking HF or digging at people hes more likely town but as the game went along he fell off the face of the world and only showed up to complain about the thread and still did little to nothing to help the game progress only complaining that we lynched BM at this juncture. I think he has a good shot to be scum. The other solo voter at this point was VE. I think VE is actually town here. His vote when looked at without the strikes isn't actualy in context. He was trying to get what he thought was the scum vigilante killed and had to leave before deadline and the BM wagon taking off. Aside from that he has been decently proactive when he has been here and I do not get the scum sense from him reading his filter, his anger at BM getting lynched instead of one of the Vig seems genuine and he seems to actually be putting forward a real effort at this juncture. I think hes a good towny at this point after reading ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam LS is scum I think....This makes me sad writing this. He just seems so lazy and its really hard to see where hes at or where hes going with his reads at this juncture. He just feels forced and he just doesn't seem to be digging or doing homework on his meta... Palmar is town I think. His antics EoD were a little difficult to keep up with but he just seemed to not want to lynch Vivax and would of rathered lynch his scum read in Toad. Some of his early game stuff was a bit meh like his interaction with toad. But he has said some really towny things to me, his slight pressure on me during the course of the game was good I thought. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam I am probably going to regret this but i'm going to mark SL in as a towny at this point. His wanting to take vivax hostage to get me lynched to a point felt towny, he wanted his person lynched no matter what. His work after lynch when he was here was pretty godo and the questions and observations he made while catching up I felt came from a towny perspective. I have a good feeling that Sl is town at this juncture. Exo is a very likely scum in this situation. His actions after eod do not exactly make sense to me coming from a logical place. He just seems so angry that we left both claimed vigilantes alive when its just so much better to get the extra information. He seems to be unable to scum hunt currently because of this and is just harping on how bad everyone is instead of pointing out legitimate things that we need to focus on. As such if you look at his early game he had to be pressured to an extent to make any type of conclusion when it had been talked about before. His pressure on Eden looked kind of bad to me, he lacked follow up also on questions that were answered to him and he just let fall to the way side. He probably is the most likely mafia out of anyone at this juncture ________________________________________________________________________________________________ This leaves me in a world where I have two mafia or one depending on setup between Superbia, Trfel and Artanis. I am the most sure that Superbia is the scum in this group. His actions near eod are really interesting for instance he talks to Palmar at points like he is confirmed town to him. He keeps asking Palmar where his vote is going at one point and wants to follow him and complains when Palmar is wanting to switch back to toad. Really weird inconsistencies in the early play that myself and Eden pointed out (mostly Eden to give credit), Vivax also pointed out some really good things earlier. Really lackluster in scum hunting and backs off most things when confronted ie against Eden. Bill Murray (8): Holyflare, Eden1892, rsoultin, Superbia, Vivax, Breshke, raynpelikoneet, Palmar Vivax (7): Artanis[Xp], LightningStrike, sicklucker, Toadesstern, Trfel, ExO_, Damdred LightningStrike (3): Bill Murray,FecalFeast, Onegu Toadesstern (1): VisceraEyes sicklucker (1): Alakaslam Artanis had some rally interesting bad things in his filter in retrospect. Just sheeping onto my case when I posted it is a real head scratcher. Maybe it comes from being so sure and playing with Vivax so much and his filter is really big at the same time so i'm really torn and not sure what to make of Artanis. He did have some good interactions with myself (but he dropped the scum read really fast even though I had little follow up) and he had an ok interaction with VE when they were arguing. I'm still leaning town on Art currently but things bother me Trfel started off really bad in my mind. And the eod was so/so at points it felt like Trfel was just settling on things rather than digging, such as the vote on Vivax. It makes sense to some degree and I might be expecting to much in that regard but I think a total town trfel would look elsewhere and see what he could find. Also his mid game was really good I felt which was what initially changed my mind on him. His early game was pretty bad and lackluster, but his return to the thread after he couldn't sleep and the barrage of thoughts got me to come around on him. His later postings before EoD were not bad as well as you could keep track of his thought process. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wagon Formations. This was probably one of the hardest things I've had to look at. Vivax wagon came about when I pushed vivax and Art immediately jumped on followed quickly by LS. LS still had me as null at that moment in time I believe as he is usually really antsy about following me after I tricked him in titanic. But instead of questioning or looking for himself to try to see if I had a meta point he instantly sheeped soon as he saw it which makes it seem like he is the scum that initially started the piling up process. The claim by vivax I belive had him leading the lynch 5-3 over rayn. His wagon began to disintergrate at that point until toad counter claimed and people started piling up. This wagon was probably the one mafia most wanted to happen btw as it was so quickly piled on even as vivax started giving his last reads on. Toads wagon had Vivax, Palmar, Rayn and Ve being the main pushers to get him lynched. This wagon gained little traction as he was the CC and most people generally agreed that mafia would not cc there and go 1-1. BM was a last minute wagon formed by HF to give us more time to scum hunt and be able to get more information by using the Vig to shoot who we wanted to at that time.. It was a last second wagon with most of the people who wanted to lynch toad swinging over with some hold outs from lynching Rayn. Most of the people who could of hammered vivax were totally against his lynch so they would be unable and I feel like super could not risk taking the negative effects of hammering the vig so had to stay put. I still need to look on the earlier parts of the day and see how people were voting and what was being pushed. TLDR: Scum team: Slam, LS, Super, Exo Undecided: Trfel and Artanis blah blah blah really wordy much wow. Damdred bored at home. But here me and HF are confirmed town with our claims | ||
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On March 31 2015 07:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That wasn't the point. I was pointing out that Onegu was factually incorrect in what he was saying. He has LS and palmar pegged but never really pushed them | ||
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On March 31 2015 08:10 Trfel wrote: Oh, and there was no orb last night. It dissipates once the game drops to 11 players, and we had 11 players last night. Can host confirm this? | ||
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On March 31 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Onegu could you vote for yourself this day instead of RNGing who you're going to sheep? That'd be most helpful. Yeah I guess but I rng'd vivax | ||
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On March 31 2015 08:32 ritoky wrote: if by any chance you end up being town, which i really doubt. there is so much wrong with this play i don't even know where to begin. ![]() Why? | ||
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On March 31 2015 08:34 ritoky wrote: are you serious? like is this real life that you don't see how bad of a play that is? Thought I could catch scum fake claim orb RB then CC and EZPZ | ||
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On March 31 2015 08:39 ritoky wrote: you fake claim mason you fake claim mason with hf you fake claim mason with rayn you rescind fake claim you deny the town information of who has the orb you deny the town information of what ability of the orb was used you sit around waiting to cc something after every single person in the thread has confirmed not having it for over 20 hours you then come clean after a claimed vet stops kp on top of all of this you just rng sheep ppl sorry, but your lies and terrible plays are too much to be forgiven at this point. how much crap are you guys gonna let this guy get away with? Nobody confirmed they didn't have it last night, and I came clean after I found out the orb is out of the game... | ||
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On March 31 2015 08:47 ritoky wrote: this is just false from a town perspective. we will reach an impasse. public information in this case is always more beneficial for town than you praying for a hail mary. Then we disagree and if your town also we can talk about it post game. | ||
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Sticking with my soul read on Rayn | ||
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On March 31 2015 22:18 Breshke wrote: Your clarity is going to be fucked when i flip town. Someone explain to me why ritoky tries to bury onegu with that orb shit if they are mafis together. the way i see it damdred and onegu are the scum that will win in the final 4. Ritokys attempted bury doesnt even make sense. It wasnt an anti town play and he didnt even question that onegu actually RB him he just took it as fact. Something he would not do as town if he thought onegu was scum. So let me know if I am reading this right? You say me and damdred are scum together, but then ritoky is scum also? | ||
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Kill with fire | ||
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On March 31 2015 22:18 Breshke wrote: Your clarity is going to be fucked when i flip town. Someone explain to me why ritoky tries to bury onegu with that orb shit if they are mafis together. the way i see it damdred and onegu are the scum that will win in the final 4. Ritokys attempted bury doesnt even make sense. It wasnt an anti town play and he didnt even question that onegu actually RB him he just took it as fact. Something he would not do as town if he thought onegu was scum. | ||
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On March 31 2015 21:47 sicklucker wrote: but he cant be with dandred. So thats a reason to kill the others first Can someone TLDR why ritoky and damdred can't be scum together? | ||
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On March 31 2015 22:55 Breshke wrote: I was trying to say that you and damdred are like the lowest on the POE list so its nost likely you two would be both alive dyring final 4. I agree its badly worded but how does that make sense if i think you sre both scum because yoy couldnt both be in final 4 because the game would be over. Ok yeah I guess that makes sense, would be willing to lunch FF over you. | ||
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This being said will only be voting for one of Breshke/FF today. Also no one ever gave me the TLDR for why ritoky and damdred can't be scum together... ##: UNVOTE ##Vote: FF | ||
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Scum choose not to NK it doesn't add a mislynched we just go from lylo to mylo... This makes it where a scum trfel almost never gets lynched,, | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:20 ritoky wrote: honestly....if i were scum trying to ninja vote, why did i vote on not the lead wagon? you guys got the wool so far over your eyes. Wifom, I really hope you are town just so I can keep my soul read intact | ||
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Also SL isn't scum if SL is scum then I am also and I'm not. Seriously trfel is most likely scum not in PoE FF is scum. | ||
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On April 03 2015 07:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Posting a baby seal in thread is the same as saying "I AM MAFIA PLEASE KILL ME" around here. Not sure why but I do plan on posting them as town at some point I've done this, waveofShadow I don't think has forgiven me | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote: onegu you have ff dandred trefel? as scum It could be ritoky but I'm 100% on FF. Then I would guess ritoky over damdred, and the. 60% trfel 40% toad Maybe more like 70-30 | ||
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On April 04 2015 02:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Ritoky is 100%. 100%. I'm in denial because of my soul read | ||
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On April 04 2015 04:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Onegu's post saying he wants me over ritoky makes me a little hesitant to unvote but I am so sure onegu is scum Plz go get that mislynch you and your two other scum can vote me and we can end this | ||
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On April 04 2015 06:21 Fecalfeast wrote: Sigbet that I wont flip scum either when you get me lynched or when the game ends? If I flip scum I'll put "Onegu is my daddy" in my sig. If I flip town you have to put "I eat more poop than fecalfeast" in yours. Deal, I like how my flip isn't in your bet, kinda like you know I'll flip town | ||
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On April 04 2015 06:27 Fecalfeast wrote: I feel like if you're scum you're just going to not live up to your end of the bargain anyway... I'm a man of honor no matter my alignment but I'm town. | ||
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On April 04 2015 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Should we lynch you since your soul read is never wrong so the only reason it'd be wrong is because you want it to be wrong because you're mafia? No but we should lunch damdred because he confirmed my soul read was always right | ||
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On April 04 2015 08:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I'd go back to an onegu lynch tomorrow for sure I'm sure you would | ||
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On April 04 2015 10:53 Damdred wrote: Ff can you link me to some of your scum games? Mafia database is a wonderful tool. TBH I never read his filter, I just went with how he refused to let go of his claim and didn't go with my mason claim. | ||
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On April 04 2015 11:01 Damdred wrote: Also oneg you just played with scum rayn in XXX as his scum partner and his actions in both games were exceptionally the same why such a quick turn around given the circumstances of not even reading him? I mean several people had the exact same reaction to your mason claim No in XXX I town read him from the get go like 12-24 hours into the game I gave him a 100% town read, so you are just wrong. | ||
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On April 04 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: Did you learn anything from it? How long have you been saving that oneg information or did you just search for it What are you talking about? We were scum together that game. This game I am town. And no I didn't search for it my memory isn't that bad... | ||
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On April 04 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote: That's not even what I said. You just played scum with him, he acted the same way in the thread and towards players that he acted in XXX. Why did you town read him without even looking into his filter and declare it a soul read when you generally do read him. That's how he always acts that's not how you read Rayn, I have never seen scum Rayn claim a role then refuse to change it, second the way he threw away a free town read when he was getting scum read seemed townie to me. That's why I gave him the town read this game. | ||
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On April 04 2015 11:01 Damdred wrote: Also oneg you just played with scum rayn in XXX as his scum partner and his actions in both games were exceptionally the same why such a quick turn around given the circumstances of not even reading him? I mean several people had the exact same reaction to your mason claim Here you talk about several people having the same reaction to my mason claim but the claim I am talking about is when I claimed Rayn was my partner and he stayed with his tracker claim instead of getting the free town reads he would have gotten had he said he was mason with me. | ||
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On April 04 2015 12:03 Damdred wrote: Same to oneg last two scum and why FF with final as either trfel or toad. 70% trfel | ||
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On April 04 2015 12:34 Damdred wrote: I believe before both of you were scum reading me or at least having me in contention. Why are both of you now sure that i'm not the scum? Also FF could you expound on that a bit how much is oneg mentioned in Rayns filter and whats the context behind the communication they do have? I had you as maybe scum based on PoE before trfel claimed vet. Then we had to many blues and FF is scum. Like look who attacked me when I said I had the orb and didn't claim right away, FF and ritoky. I'm sure scum QT was like attack get that mislynch. | ||
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On April 04 2015 12:45 Fecalfeast wrote: btw fecalfeast has a 20 page filter and you think he's scum, good job... Not... I've never had a filter over 12 pages | ||
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On April 05 2015 02:55 Damdred wrote: I wish sl and oneg would talk though meh What do you want to know? I've been transparent with my reads and nothin has happened to change them. Mylo will most likely be me/damdred/trfel/toad. FF is the lynch tomorrow. | ||
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On April 05 2015 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: FINAL WILL I don't exactly know yet where I'll end up at the time of writing. I'm going to be re-evaluating my re-evaluations a little bit here, then give players points based on what speaks in favour of them and what's going against them, then rate them on my townie scale from 1-10. + Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] + First reason for townreading Toad is his interactions with Palmar. Out of the gates, Palmar started with "Kill Toad" and actually seriously attacked him for the way he used "Guyses" in his post. It's possible that Palmar busses, but he has a strong tendency not to, and the way he's gone about scumreading Toad, then backing off on him, then scumreading him again later and tried to lynch him up until the BM lynch came about. Toad has also gone after palmar hard + Show Spoiler [example] + On March 20 2015 01:25 Toadesstern wrote: Did you copy & paste that from someone out of Hammertime? Sure as hell feels like it... There were plenty of people who said exactly the same after Palmar ruined the thread... like how I'm fluffy and useless and they expected me to do more and I ended up getting lynched for it, which you know about as a host. I let go of Palmar for a second because SL sounded really bad. If you look at my filter you even see me going back and forth about SL, how I mention that the emoticon read is bullshit because all it does is show that he's an unintential liar no matter of alignment. And if it was unintentional no matter of alignment it's not alignment indicative, it just shows that he's a liar. And a bad player. Seems like lynchbait to me and I apologize for going after him. I should have been smarter than to let myself get fooled by people saying he's stupid and therefore mafia even if it only lasted for about an hour. I got back on Palmar because he's mafia and like I said, I lost the last games because I was too carefree as town and didn't manage to get the weight of my reads explained resulting in people not lynching mafia even after I got killed first cycle like 4 times in a row statint who's mafia and who's not. So yeah, making sure people read it. IF I AM ALREADY DEAD AND YOU'RE READING THIS BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TROUGH MY FILTER AGAIN, MESSAGE FROM THE PAST: LYNCH PALMAR I'LL KICK YOU IN THE DICK POSTGAME IF YOU DON'T I think that should do the trick of making sure what I consider to be important after I flip funny how you mentioned how it's important to look at peoples reasoning and not just at the result just recently. But that doesn't matter if you like the results I take it? Also I know, you're going to call me mafia for "ignoring" Rayn and going after my own read instead. Also I know, you're going to call me mafia for not going after my own reads enough. You've been doing that all game long now even if I showed you that everything Palmar and you said about me is just factually incorrect Second thing that makes Toad town is obviously his Vig CC. Vivax claimed vig and Toad is instantly skeptical: On March 21 2015 05:04 Toadesstern wrote: Drax the vig, the easiest role in the game to fakeclaim as mafia. Who would have though. Really convenient, isn't it? He waits to see what happens. Damdred unvotes, other people are also skeptical of claiming our unCCed vigi and Toad hardclaims vig. On March 21 2015 05:16 Toadesstern wrote: You guys are a bunch of idiots. I'm Drax myself. Hence my vehement opposition to him claiming vig... Vivax is lying. There is absolutely no way we have two fucking Drax in the game. No way If Toad is mafia, he's sacrificing himself for a Vivax mislynch. He made the decision in about 12 minutes, so it's unlikely this was a pre-planned idea. At face value, CCing a town vig as scum is a terrible idea as you're likely to get a 1 for 1 trade at best. The play doesn't make sense for mafia to do. There is a little thing that worries me about Toad: His flip on Vivax. Toad was just as convinced that Vivax was a good lynch as I was up until deadline and the way he strongly pushed it made me feel he definitely believed in it as well, but the fact that he shot VE over Vivax is worrying because there is strong mafia motivation for it. This is how certain he was moments after the flip: On March 21 2015 08:27 Toadesstern wrote: You have been throwing shit at me for the last 5-6 hours before deadline being the biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. That's not just you being a hypocrite that's you throwing shit because you're going down (at that time) hoping that something will stick. Go back to page... I think 118, the one with the red letters about your different standards depending on wether or not it fits you. You claimed Vig. I am a TownVig. I would have said you're like 90% certain mafia before the claims. With the claim it's just really 99% certain. Too unlikely to happen. And the 1% was me admittting that you could be a fakeclaiming VT or different PR trying to get out of the lynch. You even got me to CC and I'll be RB'ed now because of you... and you're not even dead Which as the night goes on decreases in certainty, until eventually on D2 On March 22 2015 09:21 Toadesstern wrote: which is kind of my point of calling it useless. Yes they might have joined random wagons but there's no mafiaagenda behind why they joined it if it literally didn't matter to them because all 3 were town. not really... I mean it depends. It just makes no sense no matter how I look at it right now. This is where he indicates he came around to Vivax. He had been very certain of Vivax during the night still, stating there was like a 1% chance he was going to flip town and fakeclaimed and none that he flipped vigi. I know Toad explained that it was because I believe Eden (or HF?) told him to shoot VE, but meh. Continuing on with reasons I think he's town: His reads completely coincided with mine at about the same timing. On March 22 2015 09:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Toadesstern Rsoultin FecalFeast Vivax Eden1892 Damdred Trfel Onegu I'm starting to like my PoE list. On March 22 2015 10:03 Toadesstern wrote: we're running out of people that can be mafia here. That's a good thing though! thoughts on where you disagree? ![]() Be happy I made Vivax from KILL IT WITH FIRE to null. My ego isn't able to cope with more than that right now Slam I think looks really bad atm, especially if you think Vivax was town who got roleblocked and should probably be the next lynch after LS. Exo still looks bad imo. I know you guys disagree with my Palmar read but that's still a thing. I changed him back to orange because the entire theory with Palmar swapping around from Vivax to BM to save Vivax doesn't work anymore. Breshke I still havn't bothered to read. Rayn I feel like shouldn't be a topic right now with all the possible assumptions going on until we at least have an LS flip. anything you disagree with or want to chime in? I agreed exactly with all his town+ reads. Only reason he didn't have Vivax as greener was that his ego couldn't handle it. Dick move Analysis addition - I personally never keep notes as mafia but do as town so I think it also makes Toad more likely to be town for actually keeping notes like this Following this post, he's eagerly working to help solve the game. There's also a few quirky things that I wouldn't expect Mafia Toad to make like: On March 22 2015 10:53 Toadesstern wrote: go read Breshke and tell me what you think of him in the next 24 hours if you want to help. I'm very likely to either not read him at all and tell you so or lie to you and tell you I've read his filter while just banking on a gutread on him Analysis like this also helps: On March 23 2015 09:47 Toadesstern wrote: yeah but again, look at where we were at that time: ![]() Rayn was about to get lynched at that time. So you're saying it's a move to kill himself while making Onegu not look bad? I don't know about you, but after Onegu's claim that Rayn was mason with him I townread both of Onegu+Rayn heavily. maybe not as heavy as Onegu on his own but still. At least wouldn't he just shut up as mafia if they're together until the day is over, especially if he's supposedly the RB? ![]() Basically he's keeping up very well with the thread and is attempting to solve the game. Despite the one point I raised, I feel confident in calling Toad town. If he's mafia, then he's played a great game and I'm fine with losing to him. I will not be re-evaluating him barring extreme circumstances. Additionally to this, Rayn also went after Toad pretty hard. There is actually a thought that troubles me though: Presume scum Toad yolocced vigi to get Vivax lynched. Toad has a history of fakeclaiming (LI never forget). He figures he might be able to get away with it, but the scumteam gets mad and starts bussing him harder than before (Both Rayn/Palmar were bussing him long before this). They figure that once Vivax dies Toad is in massive shit. However, with a BM flip the whole vigi situation would persist. This would explain why scum wanted to switch to BM when they got the opportunity. ++++ Reads overlapped with me a lot throughout the day. Lots of coinciding thought processes. +++ Palmar bussing him from the get-go when Palmar doesn't bus very regularly. ++ Vig CC + Confidence - Yolo theory makes a certain amount of sense for Toad -- Why shoot VE when he wasn't a scumread? Townie scale: 9/10 + Show Spoiler [Trfel] + First reason is a tone thing. On March 19 2015 10:03 Trfel wrote: Like Superbia said, it would really be nice to know how many mafia are in this game. Is it 4 or 5? Does Mafia really make a point of asking this again after someone's already asked it? It's just so tonally weird that I find it hard to imagine Mafia doing it. It would've been a lot stronger if Superbia flipped mafia, but I feel it's still a towntell. Second thing I notice is confidence. On March 19 2015 09:43 Trfel wrote: You probably think I'm scum because: 1. I'm ignoring the entire thread, and instead being useless and distracting the people who are playing the game properly. This is valid. 2. If you have a reason to scumread me other than that, I think it's terrible? Are you thinking of meta based on my opening in Student Mafia V? For the record, I've only skimmed the game so far, I haven't read it in detail at all. This post also feels very town from a tonal point of view. "Scumreading me for these reasons is okay, scumreading me for anything else is terrible." It showcases a confidence that I don't think Trfel is the type to fake. Also not attempting to bury people who have flipped town: On March 19 2015 11:03 Trfel wrote: You asked for an answer twice, so I provided one. Eden isn't a moron, I'm sure that if he actually is scum, he would say the same thing. And I have two other reasons to say that this isn't a scumslip. 1. Look at Eden's tone. By saying the specific name of the miller, he shows that he's read the first page to find out what the miller is, which contains the phrase You are not aware. So, it's extremely unlikely that Eden didn't know that the miller was unaware. Furthermore, if he wanted to claim as scum, he would have said straight-out that he is claiming, not this indirect reference. Thus, I'm inclined to think that Eden is joking. 2. Eden townread rsoultin very strongly, and very early in the game. And he did this knowing that he wouldn't be able to provide good reasons for it, much less explain this read to the thread. I don't really see why mafia!Eden would want to do this. Doesn't bury Slam: On March 19 2015 12:58 Trfel wrote: One thing that makes Alakaslam suspicious is that he does seem fairly defensive early on. But I don't necessarily think that makes him mafia here? In Down Under 2, Alakaslam was wagoned for most of Day 1, but never actually defended himself. He was scum. Perhaps aggressively defending himself is a sign of being town? And I am well aware that I am both ignoring and using meta on Alakaslam simultaneously. Deal with it. Then there's obviously his orb claim, tracking a mafia LS. Since we know Palmar was part of the mafia team, unless mafia believed that Rayn was indeed a tracker (in which case Ritoky is town), I doubt they'd be worried about a track and would simply let Palmar take the credit. Trfel's not known for having the strongest scumgame and I don't think they would sacrifice LS just for his cred. At this point, I'm happy to call Trfel town and resign to losing the game if he is not. Since then, Trfel has claimed to be Veteran, and he feels extremely disconnected from the thread. I don't like how he mentioned how "Ritoky or Fecalfeast is the lynch tomorrow" when Ritoky had literally claimed scum. His veteran claim was a little odd, but he has proven that he was breadcrumbing it for a while which means that either it was a long, long pre-planned move, or it was town breadcrumbing. I actually think it's really unlikely for mafia to fakeclaim vet here, especially planning it this far ahead. Damdred mentioned a few points regarding Trfel's weird blue post and his reads constantly changing, but I think that's more likely to come from a town Trfel than a scum Trfel. If his post regarding the blues was made to breadcrumb his vet role I can see that being true pretty easily. +++ Tracking LS +++ Vet Claim + Confidence earlier in the game + Tone -- Disconnected from the thread in recent times 8.5/10 Townie rating Not gonna go over SL since he's pretty much confirmed in my eyes and I don't have a lot of time already. 10/10 BNTownie rating + Show Spoiler [Damdred] + Oh boy, let's kick this shit off. Damdred + Show Spoiler + Activity Mafia: Imperial: 26/510 pages pages, D6 -> 5% Titanic: 2 pages, 1 cycle -> unreliable but low Town: Void: 11/146 pages, D3 -> 7.5% Linux: 10/130 pages, N1 -> 7.6% Horn of Africa: 9/118 (at that time) pages, D1 -> 7.6% Slytherin: 18/135 pages, D3 -> 13.3% This game: 20/408 pages -> 4.9% Two sidenotes to this: 1. Imperial and LXX are simply a ton spammier than the town games he's played. 2. Damdred's already said before the game he'd be afk for large amounts of time (first post in filter). Meta Mafia I read Damdred's Titanic game where he replaced into Breshke's slot as scum. What I noticed here were three things: Damdred doesn't push his suspects that hard as mafia. Damdred had reads earlier on that he never got back to (could be simply because he didn't spend much time ingame) Damdred claims Rsoultin has a strong read on her, and she does on him. In Imperial, Damdred asked a lot of questions that didn't really do anything like these: + Show Spoiler [quotes] + On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote: Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff On January 01 2015 02:30 Damdred wrote: Then why aren't you voting him? All of this push and you aren't voting? On January 01 2015 09:52 Damdred wrote: @DrH don't think i forgot about you i'm working on it while I talk to GB. @GB, what do you think about it do you feel like he was blue fishing making a joke? On January 02 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote: SL what about the framer and millers? Do you think mafia really reacts the way that he did here? This is just a small grasp of the questions that don't lead anywhere he asks. He makes many. Summarizing Mafia meta: Less posty, engages his scumread a lot, useless questions, forgetful. Town: First thing I notice is how Damdred talks with confidence and goes in against Gobble's read on Rayn hard and with confidence. He's generally quite confident. On February 08 2015 12:52 Damdred wrote: Errr rayn actually looks really town? What else do you have for what's been going on On February 08 2015 14:01 Damdred wrote: Right now your posts are weird you cast shadows without conclusions in your posts On February 09 2015 12:57 Damdred wrote: I don't think you got the point at all. Posting less has nothing to do with what I said at all. Furthermore, Damdred's scumread on Gobble leads him to push the lynch and push it hard and doesn't let go. In Horn of Africa, Damdred was a strong suspect on D1 and it made him post a lot. In this game, he was also really sure of Rsoultin being scum and pushed her hard. Summarizing Town meta: Confidence, pushing the lynches he wants hard. Questions also tend to be much more directed and reads oriented. This game One thing to note is that Rsoultin has had a townread on Damdred from the start. She's also kept dropping reasons for them/things she expects town Damdred to do. First thing that worries me in his filter is this: On March 20 2015 07:11 Damdred wrote: I think ff case is good, and the points brought are decent. Like I do think it's bad LS is being lazy a bit here as has been pointed out I'm not sure it's worth a vote but it's something to think about Damdred likes FF's case on LS, says it's something to think about.. then doesn't really think about it until he makes his big VCA post. (Intermezzo Vivax theory: A FF/Damdred bus on LS would make sense, especially if it was the plan for D2 but got trifled by Trfel checking him before it happened) What also bothers me in hindsight is that his case on Vivax wasn't followed by a vote and a push. In his town games, he kept repeating "Gobble is scum" or "Rso is scum". This game, Damdred does not seem as sold on Vivax being scum where he usually has been as town. Then the first big VCA post. I still really like it and I think it's a strong argument for a town Damdred. All of his reads read genuine to me, are developed well (though townreading FF, Palmar and Breshke worries me, I can see the motivation for FF at that juncture in any case, and Breshke's scumgames do look pretty terrible so I can't blame him there either but Palmar was really questionable) The biggest problem with his reads is that they've been very wrong. TR on Palmar, scum on Exo, Slam, and Superbia means that it definitely could've been made from a scum perspective. There's one thing that stands out to me in his reads post, I'm not sure what people think about it: This leaves me in a world where I have two mafia or one depending on setup between Superbia, Trfel and Artanis. I'm just wondering if it's something Mafia or Town would add in. Mafia might be worried about TMI; they would've read the questions Superbia and Trfel asked and it could be in their heads "don't betray how many mafia there are". Something to consider. I also really hate this post: On March 22 2015 02:47 Damdred wrote: Shoot like Exo and Trfel/Artanis Gives us the most information Damdred scumreads Slam/Exo/Superbia/LS, yet calls for the shot to be between Exo and Trfel/Me. What's really weird about this is that Slam is probably the least likely to confirm himself as town, and remain unreadable forever. The fact that Damdred softpushed for a shot on me is not good. The biggest problem for me in Damdred's filter is that besides those two posts, he's not really doing anything.. He isn't pushing his scumreads. He isn't really engaging anyone, just posting oneliners. Also On March 25 2015 11:26 Damdred wrote: I kinda want to lynch breske This kinda came out of nowhere as Damdred had been townreading Breshke a few times already before. It bothers me that I don't know why Damdred thinks Breshke is scum at this juncture because usually Damdred is very clear about who he wants to lynch and pushes it hard. Then there's his second VCA, which mostly concludes that scum wanted to lynch BM over Vivax since Palmar made the late switch (if this is the case, Mafia know about it anyway so it's an easy point to make) and then goes into the reasons for why they would or wouldn't switch to BM, but he doesn't really base his conclusions on them. It feels more like he had his conclusions already ready (in his townreads) and simply found another narrative to tell them. Conclusion Honestly, there's a lot of things that really worry me about this Damdred. He's showing scumtraits in that he hasn't really cared about who gets lynched, hasn't really appeared to be confident and I don't get where his read progression on Breshke came from when I usually have no problem following Damdred's thoughts. What still gives me pause is that he's never made these kinds of big cases/VCA's as scum, and that they're really hard to fabricate. I also know Damdred hates playing scum so from that perspective I find it unlikely he'd put this much effort into it, but I'm just not sure on him. I don't know what to think about Damdred. So I was pretty conflicted on Damdred, but I'm pretty sure at this point that he's town. Toad made a good point in that Mafia Damdred probably doesn't push the notion that both vigis are town. He also pointed out that Damdred's been pretty confident in points, but most of all I just don't think scum Damdred could pull the rabbit out of his arse that he's been pulling this last day and post this god damn much as scum like ever. +++++ Activity/motivation boost +++ Long cases/analysis ++ Effort/Confidence - Read progression on Breshke - Hasn't really cared about who gets lynched Townie scale: 9/10 Which means I'm once again left with Fecal and Onegu, which bothers me a little bit because both Fecal and Onegu have done things that I find difficult to consider for scum. Onegu I'm not quite that familiar with reading Onegu. I believe he's rolled scum a lot and he seems to be more comfortable with it than with town from what I've heard. This game I'm finding him not very useful. He doesn't really seem to be digging underneath the surface, going for whatever seems most obvious to him at the time. He simply decides that the setup can't contain that many blues and goes after the first blue that claims without investigating. I'm not sure if this is alignment indicative for him, but yeah. It bothers me even more so considering the fact that he's now going after claimed blues, yet he kept the charade of him being a mason on as long as possible. What speaks in favour of Onegu being town is LS's interactions, but the only thing I have to compare it with is the way he replied to Geript's claim at the time. A sample size of one is not enough as it could be that this plan was more clearly communicated in the scumqt. The HF shot also didn't need to be motivated by him being a mason, his play was reason enough. Onegu's also commented on my Trfel towncase without really going anywhere with it, then agreed with me to look into Damdred but barely bothered. The last person who barely bothered flipped scum and I'm finding little reason to presume Onegu won't himself. ++ Carefree attitude + LS seemingly believing his claim + Hopped onto LS when his wagon was picking up steam --- Mason claim that unclaimed only when he had no choice --- Superficial argumentation -- Doesn't really seem to be doing anything, pretty opportunistic - Intensely wrong Townie Scale: 3/10 Fecalfeast Fecalfeast is the toughest one to figure out. He's made a case on scum LS, but he didn't really push for it even when the wagon got on steam. However, he's been extremely active and motivated in the last few days, and this motivation is something I often contribute to town. He has this magic ability that makes everyone think he's town at EoD by being so god damn carefree as well as caring about who gets lynched rather than it just being anyone but himself. What does bother me about his recent play is how he says Toad is the sleeper scum, then never makes a case for him yet continues to defend himself in ways that are unconfirmable for any of us. He also spends a lot of time telling the thread how town he is. +++ Activity and motivation ++ Case on scum LS + Tone reads pretty townie --- Analysis often seems fairly superficial (e.g. his LS filter connections) and doesn't really factcheck stuff -- Seems more concerned with defending himself in ways that don't really help over finding the 'sleeper scum' -- Everyone else just seems townier than him Townie Scale: 5/10 I still think the lynches should be Onegu, then FecalFeast, with an outside scenario of Trfel but I don't really see it. What's changed is that Damdred is now at Toad's level for me, maybe even higher because there is the tin foil hat scenario I've mentioned for Toad that I don't believe exists for Damdred in the same way, as Damdred's activity this cycle is something I believe he literally couldn't do as scum. I'm most certain of Onegu being scum, with Fecal being second not just because of his own play, but simply because everyone else just seems townier. If I survive to tomorrow, I'd look into him with more detail and check out his meta and stuff but I don't really have the time to do so. Lynch Onegu, then Fecalfeast. Yeah one of my plus isn't real as I was sheeping my day one vote, and just wasn't around for deadline to move my vote to BM | ||
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On April 05 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote: Can we lynch trfel instead No since I need to think about if it's trfel or toad, and tomorrow is Easter so no thinking | ||
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On April 05 2015 21:39 Damdred wrote: Ff oneg, what if both of you flip town? This bothers me. O wish we hadn't shortened the day. I hate all these snap votes and afking when both of you are trying meh Then the game is unwinnable | ||
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On April 06 2015 02:53 Trfel wrote: Look at this game, Mini Mafia Down Under 2. Onegu didn't do very much at all in this game until he claimed his role. Throughout, he was skeptical of things and his views were constantly at odds with other players. Admittedly, this game was strange for everyone (post limit game and a very toxic town). But it still gives an idea of what Onegu's play is normally like. Did you look at my scum games also. It's not a secret that I enjoy rolling scum much more than town and try to shape my meta to be copied easily when I roll scum. I'm around for like the next half hour then will try to be around for deadline. The reason FF is scum with ritoky is look at who attacked me when I told the thread I used the orb but didn't claim right away. FF didn't even say why it was so scummy for me not to claim right away. God I got so unlucky I always miss coin flips. I blame BH his rng failed me!!! Second I'm now at 60 - 40 that Toad is mafia vigi over trfel. His flip flop today is scummy as hell. Will try to power read damdred real fast but think he is still town. | ||
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On April 06 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: Which is why I'm pretty sure onegu is scum. Paranoia is real You guys didn't claim blue... Plus I like you didn't think I'd get shot, this is why I thought rsoul was lying trying to hide the fact she and toad were scum. So rsoul can believe my claim and save me, but mafia cant believe the claim and shoot me to prevent me from becoming confirmed town? | ||
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On April 06 2015 03:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I actually already said that was possible and that I am scared that mafia is toad+trfel and that we're both town Unless you are blue three isn't enough, 5 is to many. 4 is right. | ||
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On April 06 2015 03:20 Toadesstern wrote: If I was mafia together with FF I'd not be "flipflopping" because the only way to win for me would be to win today. I'd be pushing for your lynch like crazy while harddefending FF because a bus on FF doesn't give me anything if I'm mafia and will still just lose next cycle because "why is toad still alive at lylo?" Lol you'll be alive anyway like we hit scum why are you killed over SL who is basiclly confirmed town, or damdred who's is heavily town read by everybody? You thinking you'd be dead is BS | ||
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On April 06 2015 03:23 Fecalfeast wrote: If you're not mafia onegu we're going to have to endure a LOT of post-game gloating from someone Yeah same if you are town and this is a town town wagon | ||
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On April 06 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: Also you always told threads you try harder as mafia so IDK if I buy the filter argument Normally same effort just enjoy it more | ||
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On April 06 2015 08:06 Half the Sky wrote: GGs and congratulations to the scum team. I for one will be putting in my recommendation to Kita for the best scum team of the year. Each player had their part on the team and actions and each player did the best they could with their situations. And SL for single, toad played really well but I did figure him out in the end | ||
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@FF I am a man of my word, 1 month seems fair since I was town also | ||
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On April 06 2015 10:59 Trfel wrote: Just wondering, why does no game ever include masons? I want to be a mason... Me and Rayn were masons in slytherin mafia recently | ||
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