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On March 26 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote:
It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request. NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask.
I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew.
On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:
so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.
regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.
how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information. You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER. You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there. You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD
I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning.
Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know?
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On March 26 2015 04:21 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 04:20 Eden1892 wrote:
dang putting a bunk bed together is tough Eden! Talk to me. I want to lynch Onegu. Why is this a bad idea, and who do you want to lynch, and why?
I just don't see Onegu fakeclaiming mason as mafia and then actually riding with it when Holyflare decided to claim it with him. Like what's the plan for doing that? As Vivax pointed out earlier, the instant Holyflare flipped not-mason we all started looking hard at Onegu being mafia. Knowing that the scumteam was likely to want to shoot Holyflare if they could, it seems unnecessarily risky for Onegu to followthrough like he did.
I'd rather lynch Fecalfeast for the stuff I said earlier (and shouts to Vivax for noting it first). He made this big case on LS that was pretty legit and then immediately dropped it and literally never brought it up again until it was time to claim kudos for catching LS. When he had the opportunity to push his lynch at eod1 he never does so. Then once town starts getting organized he just checks out of the game, which seems consistent with a mafia team that was starting to struggle to disrupt the town team's investigations. (admittedly there might be extenuating circumstances for his absence, but until i see them i can't assume that)
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On March 26 2015 03:14 Alakaslam wrote:
You know what Eden I bet you don't play offsite much anymore. I think you would find that you are not nearly as good as you think you are because the way you play is way too open to reading based purely on activity which is a massive TL thing. You don't see this played up so strongly anywhere else.
wow somehow i'm completely unconvinced to change anything about what i'm doing zzz
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On March 26 2015 03:17 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 03:14 Trfel wrote:On March 26 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, if you are town, it's obvious that you don't want to be lynched later in the game. I'm assuming this is because later lynches feel more importance, particularly LYLO. And you would feel more guilty being lynched later as opposed to right now.
However, overall, all lynches carry equal weight. If you get mislynched now, that's one mislynch, the same as if you were mislyched at LYLO. And that's why it doesn't help town to mislynch you now. So asking to be lynched now or never isn't something that town can comply with.
I want to delay your lynch for one day, and preferably for much more than that.
If you are town, it would be nice to see you read over the last 5-10 pages (or however much you are willing to read and have time for) and then post your thoughts based on those pages. No one expects you to read the entire thread, in fact most people here have not done so. The nice thing is that by talking with people who have read the entire thread, you can sort of get okay reads. Alakaslam, this is why it doesn't make sense for town to decide to lynch you early or never. This is false because if I was lynched earlier, eden's world would be smashed and people sheeping Eden would have to wake up and reevaluate. If town can actually afford it my lynch could be the best thing that happens to it. But I am beginning to doubt that town can afford it.
it's fucking 10 to 3 right now. 10. to 3.
this setup is effectively a 10-3 vanilla game except that we have like 4 confirmed-in-all-but-name townies in our two claimed vigs, sicklucker and trfel
we can absolutely afford your ML BUT IF IT WOULD BE A MISLYNCH I DON'T FUCKING WANT TO DO IT
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On March 26 2015 04:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 00:50 Half the Sky wrote:Day 1: Current Vote CountLightningStrike (4): Bill Murray, Toadesstern, FecalFeast, raynpelikoneet, Vivax Vivax (4): Holyflare, Artanis[Xp], Damdred, LightningStrike, sicklucker sicklucker (3): Eden1892, Holyflare, rsoultin, Alakaslam, Superbia, Alakaslam, Eden1892, Breshke Artanis[Xp] (3): Toadesstern, Eden1892, VisceraEyes, Eden1892 raynpelikoneet (2): Holyflare, Damdred, rsoultin Eden1892 (1): Fecalfeast, Onegu, Bill Murray, ExO Toadesstern (1): Palmar, Artanis[Xp]Damdred (0): raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Artanis[Xp]Superbia (0): Eden1892VisceraEyes (0): Artanis[Xp]Alakaslam (0): Holyflare, Artanis, sicklucker, Eden1892ExO_ (0): Eden1892Palmar (0): Toadesstern, Toadesstern, Bill MurrayTrfel (0): Artanis, Superbia, Eden1892Holyflare (0): AlakaslamNot Voting (2): Trfel, Onegu Currently, LightningStrike is set to be executed. Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Voting is mandatory and in this thread. You may NOT abstain.
Posting after the deadline and prior to flip is subject to a modkill. Does this vote say anything about Onegu's alignment? My thinking is not much. This is because there are still seven hours to the lynch, and a lot is still undermined. The final vote counts were 8 to 7, indicating that if the game consolidates on two wagons (likely), there are still half of the votes still to come down, and of course a ton of time (and therefore things to happen) before the lynch. Furthermore, Onegu never pushed LightningStrike at all, in fact he never mentioned LightningStrike. The only reason he voted in this way is to sheep Vivax, which he committed to before Vivax voted. My conclusion is that this vote says nothing about Onegu's alignment. That's what I get for not thinking and posting in the vote thread by accident.
Never done that one before. I guess there's a first time for everything.
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On March 26 2015 03:42 Vivax wrote:
Also SLam, we're in an amazing spot. That talk of mislynches being pushed and scum being in a sick spot makes no sense, D1 we lynched a guy who was a prime vig target when I started playing, D2 we lynched scum, today we lynch another guy nobody wants at lylo. It's going swimmingly!
it's why he's probably town though
he seems genuinely completely unaware of how bad a spot scum is in right now
obviously "he could be faking it" but i don't think he is.
slam prolly town.
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yea that vote doesn't say anything for onegu's alignment lol
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oh it's 9-3 lol
even better i guess, one fewer townie to sort out.
will not lynch:
myself
vivax
toad
trfel
sl
probably will not lynch:
artie
slam
damd
onegu
remaining:
superbia
fecalfeast
ritoky
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It makes me sad Eden you have dropped me from no lynch to probably not lynch.
Slam feels town to me, Oneg play doesn't make total sense as scum as I said before.
Why isn't breshke in your list?
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Kinda bothers me Palmar left breshke out for so long and didn't interact with him. He (breshke) called out LS early in the night when its obvious LS wants out of the game and bresh disappears off almost everyone radar now
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i'll dive breshke when i get to work good observation damd
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On March 26 2015 04:48 Damdred wrote:
It makes me sad Eden you have dropped me from no lynch to probably not lynch.
Slam feels town to me, Oneg play doesn't make total sense as scum as I said before.
Why isn't breshke in your list?
THAT'S WHO I FORGOT LOL
god it was driving me NUTS trying to figure that out
he's in probs not lynch
and don't feel bad damd. literally everyone that isn't me or role-confirmed-town is out of definitely not lynch. like i said it's about making the POE more accurate
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On March 26 2015 04:49 Damdred wrote:
Kinda bothers me Palmar left breshke out for so long and didn't interact with him. He (breshke) called out LS early in the night when its obvious LS wants out of the game and bresh disappears off almost everyone radar now
i have him in probs not lynch b/c i felt like he was productive when he was around... i'm not married to that read though
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Tell me how he was productive exactly and quote things
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I think that Onegu's mason claiming doesn't say he is town.
Imagine if Onegu claimed mason with Holyflare on Day 1, and then Holyflare responded "What? I'm not a mason." That would say nothing at all about Onegu's alignment. So, Onegu's mason claim with Holyflare has no downside. And Onegu has two potential positives for doing this. If Holyflare accepts, Onegu gets a free pass through Day 1 and Night 1. And regardless of what Holyflare does, Onegu shows that he is willing to fake-claim mason, thereby giving him an out from all mason claims he makes for the rest of the game.
Then Onegu claimed mason with raynpelikoneet. Regardless of raynpelikoneet's alignment, I think this is a poor move for town here. Rereading Onegu's filter in this section, he seems very determined in this statement. And he provided a false breadcrumb. He is much more determined about this mason claim than he was with his previous mason claim with Holyflare. His explanation for this is that he was certain of raynpelikoneet being town, and was defending him in this way. If he is this certain of raynpelikoneet being town, then he ought to explain this read, instead of just claiming mason. And Onegu I don't think Onegu ever explains this read. Basically, this is a bad play for town, as it provides false information. I also note that Onegu said he hadn't read over half the game, so how is he sure enough in his townread of raynpelikoneet that he claimed in such a convincing manner, while most people were very suspicious of raynpelikoneet at this time?
Since then, Onegu rescinded his mason claim.
I don't recall Onegu doing much else of note.
My conclusion is that Onegu is scum here. I don't see why his play has any benefit for town, and claiming mason is a very low-risk play for scum. Ignoring his claims, Onegu hasn't done very much.
I'm scumreading Onegu right now regardless of raynpelikoneet/ritoky's alignment, but I think there's a good chance that they are scum together.
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....onegu has a way to read rayn 100%. He has a god tier soul read on him supposedly and anytime I've read or been in a game with them ehs always read him correctly.
This is the worst play for scum to claim...just all risk with no reward honestly
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On March 26 2015 04:03 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 03:21 Alakaslam wrote:On March 26 2015 03:19 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, what do you think of Superbia's case on Artanis? And what what implications does it have on their alignments? Show me. Artanis has been in tandem with Eden and calling Vivax bs, but Eden has been calling auperbia scum. This could be very telling about Superbia for me. Just tell me the page or if it is recent so I can check his filter Any response to this, Alakaslam?
It feels meh to me as I don't have any cross referebnce to what he is saying, and I know I am town and am 80% certain Vivax is scum.
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Fair enough, Damdred....
I need to go. I retract my scumread on Onegu for now, I'll check again later. I forgot about his scumread of rsoultin, that is rather interesting as well.
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On March 26 2015 04:26 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:On March 26 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote:
It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request. NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask. I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew. Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:
so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.
regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.
how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information. You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER. You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there. You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning. Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know?
The answers to the questions I was asking.
You aren't a blue claim, so I don't see how you can be confirmed town. I see way too much "confirmed town" being thrown about this game, you aren't just PoE me as you have been snidely coloring me red since the start of the game.
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On March 26 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote:
....onegu has a way to read rayn 100%. He has a god tier soul read on him supposedly and anytime I've read or been in a game with them ehs always read him correctly.
This is the worst play for scum to claim...just all risk with no reward honestly
so if in your world onegu is town, and has a god tier read on rayn, then that makes me town; so where are you at with your scum team?
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