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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 25 2015 20:18 GMT
#6741
Just because I think oneg has a god tier read on someone doesn't mean hes necessarily right on it at this point.

Its honestly probably Breshke and then have to go through town reads to figure out the rest. Maybe superbia at this point I thought super was scummy since early meh.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 20:19 GMT
#6742
On March 26 2015 05:09 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 04:03 Trfel wrote:
On March 26 2015 03:21 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 03:19 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, what do you think of Superbia's case on Artanis? And what what implications does it have on their alignments?

Show me. Artanis has been in tandem with Eden and calling Vivax bs, but Eden has been calling auperbia scum. This could be very telling about Superbia for me.

Just tell me the page or if it is recent so I can check his filter
Any response to this, Alakaslam?

It feels meh to me as I don't have any cross referebnce to what he is saying, and I know I am town and am 80% certain Vivax is scum.


i wasn't here for the vigi claims, but everyone said it is true; so explain to me why vivax's vigi claim is fake?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 20:21 GMT
#6743
On March 26 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
Just because I think oneg has a god tier read on someone doesn't mean hes necessarily right on it at this point.

Its honestly probably Breshke and then have to go through town reads to figure out the rest. Maybe superbia at this point I thought super was scummy since early meh.


you just used that read as justification to refute half of trfel's argument on why onegu is scum.....and you don't even believe it???? the fuck.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 20:30 GMT
#6744
On March 26 2015 04:58 Damdred wrote:
Tell me how he was productive exactly and quote things

meh cba lol

make your case for why he's mafia. i'm open to it
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 25 2015 20:31 GMT
#6745
On March 26 2015 05:21 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 05:18 Damdred wrote:
Just because I think oneg has a god tier read on someone doesn't mean hes necessarily right on it at this point.

Its honestly probably Breshke and then have to go through town reads to figure out the rest. Maybe superbia at this point I thought super was scummy since early meh.


you just used that read as justification to refute half of trfel's argument on why onegu is scum.....and you don't even believe it???? the fuck.


No, being right or wrong on a read doesn't mean that you are mafia. However that doesn't mean Oneg is wrong nor does it mean he is scum saying it as hes said it as town and more recently as scum with rayn so theres that.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 20:32 GMT
#6746
On March 26 2015 05:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 04:26 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote:
It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request.

NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask.

I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew.

On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:
so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.

regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.

how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you

You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information.

You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER.

You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there.

You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW

this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT

NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD

I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning.

Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know?

The answers to the questions I was asking.

You aren't a blue claim, so I don't see how you can be confirmed town. I see way too much "confirmed town" being thrown about this game, you aren't just PoE me as you have been snidely coloring me red since the start of the game.

...which questions...????? the only question you asked me is what i think of you calling me scum

which is that i don't give a fuck

and "snidely"? what?
i've been coloring you red since around d2 when you entered my poe pile
it's for the same things as i've said before

but i think the whole "i would ask my teammates for help" thing made sense
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22064 Posts
March 25 2015 20:40 GMT
#6747
On March 26 2015 05:32 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 05:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 04:26 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote:
It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request.

NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask.

I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew.

On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:
so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.

regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.

how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you

You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information.

You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER.

You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there.

You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW

this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT

NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD

I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning.

Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know?

The answers to the questions I was asking.

You aren't a blue claim, so I don't see how you can be confirmed town. I see way too much "confirmed town" being thrown about this game, you aren't just PoE me as you have been snidely coloring me red since the start of the game.

...which questions...????? the only question you asked me is what i think of you calling me scum

which is that i don't give a fuck

and "snidely"? what?
i've been coloring you red since around d2 when you entered my poe pile
it's for the same things as i've said before

but i think the whole "i would ask my teammates for help" thing made sense


Lol how? Scum tends to overestimate town cred and is usually quite willing to bus. When they get Palmar on their team his first lines in the qt will be "Ok guys, let's ahrd defend each other" unless he thinks the game is lost form the start. I can provide examples from Titanic where I was scum with him.

Point being: It's hard to not be right when you're scum. It's much more attractive to try nd be in a spot where you seem to be right most of the time. Alakaslam for me is excempt from this reasoning as the time I witnessed his scum play (on an OMGUS game where he mislynched me) he would simply pile up on mislynches. He doesn't really give a fuck this game unless people call him scum, he went apeshit when HF called him scum and he goes apeshit when we want to lynch him, otherwise not much to see here. Literally no logical reason to have him in this game.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 20:46 GMT
#6748
On March 26 2015 05:40 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 05:32 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 26 2015 05:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 04:26 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote:
It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request.

NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask.

I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew.

On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:
so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.

regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.

how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you

You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information.

You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER.

You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there.

You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW

this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT

NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD

I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning.

Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know?

The answers to the questions I was asking.

You aren't a blue claim, so I don't see how you can be confirmed town. I see way too much "confirmed town" being thrown about this game, you aren't just PoE me as you have been snidely coloring me red since the start of the game.

...which questions...????? the only question you asked me is what i think of you calling me scum

which is that i don't give a fuck

and "snidely"? what?
i've been coloring you red since around d2 when you entered my poe pile
it's for the same things as i've said before

but i think the whole "i would ask my teammates for help" thing made sense


Lol how? Scum tends to overestimate town cred and is usually quite willing to bus. When they get Palmar on their team his first lines in the qt will be "Ok guys, let's ahrd defend each other" unless he thinks the game is lost form the start. I can provide examples from Titanic where I was scum with him.

Point being: It's hard to not be right when you're scum. It's much more attractive to try nd be in a spot where you seem to be right most of the time. Alakaslam for me is excempt from this reasoning as the time I witnessed his scum play (on an OMGUS game where he mislynched me) he would simply pile up on mislynches. He doesn't really give a fuck this game unless people call him scum, he went apeshit when HF called him scum and he goes apeshit when we want to lynch him, otherwise not much to see here. Literally no logical reason to have him in this game.

slam, were he lynched right now, would be lynched for not doing anything to find mafia

that's not something you get much in the way of cred for

he just seems so... out of it. like he really thinks scum is in this incredible position right now when we have 4 role-confirmed-towns in a game of 13 people and 3 mafia. and he's just striking out at random people like me instead of trying to pile on ml's. i feel like he would be a little more aware of the game state if he were mafia since he'd have 2 more people he could bother for advice / information
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 25 2015 20:55 GMT
#6749
Who thought rayn was town? Because I did
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22064 Posts
March 25 2015 21:35 GMT
#6750
On March 26 2015 05:55 sicklucker wrote:
Who thought rayn was town? Because I did


Me too.

Being honest here: mostly cause he sided with me when no one else did. Even scum Palmar needed convincing on this part. He was willing to lynch me in spite of his toad scumread before other people talked him into switching to BM.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 25 2015 21:48 GMT
#6751
Day 3: Current Vote Count

Onegu (2): Artanis[Xp], Eden1892, Trfel, Fecalfeast, Toadesstern
Alakaslam (1): Vivax, Trfel, Eden1892, sicklucker, Toadesstern
Artanis[Xp] (1): Superbia
Eden1892 (1): Alakaslam
Fecalfeast (1): Eden1892

Not Voting (7): sicklucker, Onegu, Breshke, ritoky, Damdred, Trfel, Artanis[Xp]

Currently, Onegu is set to be executed. Day 3 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.

Voting is mandatory and in this thread. You may NOT abstain.

Posting after the deadline and prior to flip is subject to a modkill.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 22:05 GMT
#6752
Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast?
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 25 2015 22:10 GMT
#6753
(because he's town)
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22064 Posts
March 25 2015 22:14 GMT
#6754
On March 26 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast?


Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part.

Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22064 Posts
March 25 2015 22:15 GMT
#6755
On March 26 2015 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
(because he's town)


Then do stuff? The "i'm town" shit is something LS was able of doing too.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 25 2015 22:19 GMT
#6756
i'm in breshke's filter now but if you guys are scumming me it's gonna be hard to sheep anyone. I already checked I can't vote myself
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 22:27 GMT
#6757
On March 26 2015 07:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast?


Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part.

Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs.

For now. Maybe I would regret it, but I'll frankly be shocked if I made it to LYLO to make that decision. We've got 3 ml's to give so even if both vigs get shot before me and we whiff on all 3 lynches, it won't be my call.

For now I think Slam has a lower probability of flipping scum than Fecalfeast. That's all I care about right now.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22064 Posts
March 25 2015 22:29 GMT
#6758
On March 26 2015 07:27 Eden1892 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 07:14 Vivax wrote:
On March 26 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote:
Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast?


Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part.

Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs.

For now. Maybe I would regret it, but I'll frankly be shocked if I made it to LYLO to make that decision. We've got 3 ml's to give so even if both vigs get shot before me and we whiff on all 3 lynches, it won't be my call.

For now I think Slam has a lower probability of flipping scum than Fecalfeast. That's all I care about right now.


According to your former reasoning they have equal chance.

Why has Slam lower prob now?
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 22:30 GMT
#6759
Vivax, what is more rational about lynching someone I think is town but can't read over someone I think is mafia and can read? (Presuming I can't read Slam)
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22064 Posts
March 25 2015 22:34 GMT
#6760
On March 26 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote:
Vivax, what is more rational about lynching someone I think is town but can't read over someone I think is mafia and can read? (Presuming I can't read Slam)



If you think you can't read him you can't think he's town? At the very least you should assume that you aren't able to think he is either?
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