TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 9

On March 25 2015 10:47 Superbia wrote:
Onegu, walk us through your claim. Why'd you fake claim? Why did you accept HF's fakeclaim and rolled with it?

On March 25 2015 11:01 Vivax wrote:
I'm weighing in the pros and cons of lynching 1gu:

Pros:

- Super low activity but it's Onegu. Not much of a pro.
- Fakeclaiming isn't cool for that long as it gives a feel of being deceited hard

Cons:

- Artanis is pushing for his lynch
- Scum killed HF blowing up Onegu's cover when an alive HF would have at least kept up the impression

Cont. with Slam

On March 25 2015 12:53 Trfel wrote:
But if Onegu is town, he knows that rsoultin just saved him. That or one of the vigilantes is lying.

If Onegu wasn't scumreading both of the vigilantes, this seems rather disconnected and suspicious.

On March 25 2015 13:03 Eden1892 wrote:

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On March 25 2015 13:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Was and hopefully still is Vivax.

Do you still think I'm mafia after Palmar the guy that nonstop pushed me d1, with lots of people mentioning that he wouldn't tell people to bus if he's mafia, flipped red btw?

On March 25 2015 10:49 Onegu wrote:
Btw don't think Rayn's slot is scum still. Looks like I was shot then so toad must be town. Breshke get in here and vote so I can sheep you

On March 25 2015 12:57 Onegu wrote:



I was scum on both, a bit less on artanis because of the RB claim, but I was screaming toad was scum, what's your point here?

On March 25 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote:
I don't see why Onegu is town yet. The following assumes Onegu is mafia:

Choosing to fake mason with Holyflare makes sense. He gets basic towncredit, and it gives him room to rescind his mason claim later. This didn't affect mafia's night kill, if anything this would have affected Onegu's initial decision. It's not like Holyflare was going to let Onegu slide on a mason claim if it became detrimental to town anyway.

Basically, Onegu gets a little towncredit and gives him room to pull out of mason claims later in the game.

And I'm still worried about ritoky. I think his scumplay was extremely solid in Down Under 2. I don't see him doing anything so far that he couldn't do as scum. The only reason to townread him was Palmar being suspicious of raynpelikoneet, but apparently a lot of people were suspicious of him, so some pressure doesn't seem that unlikely. That said, I didn't read this part of the game.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

On March 25 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:
That's how to play the game, look at how someone's plays make sense from a mafia perspective.... Ideally, the reasons that everyone's plays make sense from a town perspective are obvious.

What I'm saying is that if you are mafia, killing Holyflare really has no effect on your alignment being known. That's the point.

On March 25 2015 14:36 sicklucker wrote:
So I think todays lynch is between onegu and slam. Both have had the longest chance to help town but have refused. Onegu is rng who he votes which in hind site probably ment he was not really a mason...

On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote:
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.

my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses

On March 25 2015 14:44 Trfel wrote:
There was no reason for Holyflare not claiming mason partner with you. Before the game started, I actually considered plenty of ways to fake claim mason. Holyflare claiming mason with you had no downside, and had the benefit of being interesting and fun. I'm sure Holyflare had a lot of fun pretending to be mason with you. I don't see why Holyflare claiming mason makes him veteran. Though I suppose I can see mafia thinking this if they know Holyflare isn't actually a mason, but I would expect them to risk shooting him anyway.

On March 25 2015 14:49 ritoky wrote:


what did you gain from the claim? from my perspective all it added was unnecessary confusion and lies that makes the game harder to solve. that is mafia's job, not town. it's not like your claim led to a lynch or found scum, it just made the game harder for everyone else except the mafia. thus it is BS.

On March 25 2015 14:50 Trfel wrote:
It doesn't hurt town all that much if you're smart about it. As scum, it potentially keeps you alive for longer, and I could see scum risking claiming mason with a scumbuddy (yes, I'm still suspicious of raynpelikoneet/ritoky).

I think you ought to be read independent of your claim. And I don't see much that suggests you are town, though I haven't taken a close look yet.

On March 25 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote:


isn't SL town for shooting a mafia in the face? and idk shit about the night actions, but if it did something, then cool, but dunno if it counterbalances the confusion caused.