On March 26 2015 00:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also if anyone wants to convince me of a town or scum slam that'd be great because I have no idea. I'm sorta scumreading him through PoE, and the fact that Palmar derailed a Slam discussion onto Damdred early in his filter.
The fact he did this and nobody still is 100 % sure on him being scum simply cause he's slam is a good enough reason.
The only downside is that Trfel townreads him and I do respect his opinion. But Trfel also thinks policy lynching is shit, on which I disagree.
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On another topic, rereading D1 I just realized how stretched Artanis scumread on Toad was (P69), and how Artanis got owned in the debate with him. The scumread literally was because of Toad switching between Palmar and SL and back. At that moment you clearly see Artanis getting into the trouble of forming scumreads. VE and Toad both start pushing him, and then Artanis counter votes VE (P77).
Meanwhile FF's wall of text on LS goes uncommented by Palmar on P67. Artanis comments this:
On March 20 2015 05:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fecal how much have you played with LS before?
On March 20 2015 05:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fecal how much have you played with LS before?
at least thrice.
And you still strongly feel that LS has been acting anomalous for his town game? I find it really hard to tell tbh because his playstyle is so weird. Also opinions on VE please.
On March 20 2015 05:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I just went through VE's filter and the only reason I'd want to call him town was his observation on Palmar and him seeming to play from an uninformed perspective. The suspicions on Trfel (rescinded quickly), Fecal (never substantiated beyond "Your shitposting isn't impressive to me", suspicion on ExO are all shallow, let alone his suspicion on me for him being a null on my list (which he actually quoted far earlier but never bothered to scumread me for it back then). I liked VE's argument for Palmar but that's all I liked of him so far.
tldr All of VE's points are shallow, scumreads me for something later that he already noted earlier. VE dear, I'm coming to prove your point. ##Vote VisceraEyes
Quoting for new page. Opinions pls.
I kinda liked how he looked at me TBH I wasn't doing anything. Other than that I can see your points I guess.. Make VE a null for me for now. I can't really make up my mind
Observation: FF doesn't even answer Artanis question on LS, he just gives a read on VE. Artanis doesn't get back to this, telling me that the LS thingy wasn't as important to these guys as their posts suggests, at the very least they tried to make it look improtant but Artanis made the mistake of not demanding more from FF, and FF did the same mistake.
I think this is scum-scum.
For comparison, here is what happened when I posted my read on LS, spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
Oh god this post is so mafia
On March 19 2015 22:56 Damdred wrote: Ls what are your current reads
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
Oh god this post is so mafia
Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays.
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
Oh god this post is so mafia
How is that post so mafia yet I'm Town?
On March 19 2015 22:58 Palmar wrote: LS are you blue?
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
Oh god this post is so mafia
Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays.
And he's not straight to the point and logorrhoic as town as well? There's so many parts in that post that make me wonder "why would you post this as town".
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled. Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game. So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
Oh god this post is so mafia
Have you played with LS before? This is how LS plays.
And he's not straight to the point and logorrhoic as town as well? There's so many parts in that post that make me wonder "why would you post this as town".
LS reasons almost purely from meta, patterns and all that. I've observed him play mafia in JOAT and he had massive problems posting there. The fact that he posted a lot in a row yesterday night almost confirms him as town alone.
As you see the tone and the intention between me and FF' provoked replies is entirely different. Artanis goes against me with a strong opinion about LS, LS himself
every time i take a myers briggs with a decent amount of time between them I get a different result and therefore conclude that the test is bullshit
I think LightningStrike is scum. His filter reads, to me, like this: LS is having a hard time entering the game but sees someone (superbia) take notice. Lightningstrike posts some replies and simple questions on page 39 to get his activity up before going to bed. His first post after returning is this mess:
On March 19 2015 22:52 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw a answer from Toad on my question regarding him and Palmar in Hammertime when they both were town:
On March 19 2015 12:20 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:10 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 12:00 Toadesstern wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:52 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 19 2015 11:50 Toadesstern wrote: Like everyone's talking about how I'm playing different than I used to last games... no shit I got killed on first cycle like 4 times in a row and lost 4 games in a row now. Last game in particular I feel like I lost because I was trolling too much and didn't get enough out in time which ended in people not lynching Sandroba when he was 100% mafia on my sheet.
I needed to be a lot more serious in that game early on and we could have won
Ya you kinda got lynched because Palmars tunneling you that's the thing in Hammertime. Also I can understand a little bit on why you thought you need to be more serious after JOAT but still it just odd playing with a already serious you.
I mean if I get mafiaread for being different or more serious than I played in my last couple games there's nothing I can and will say about that other than my occasional banter about how that's not alignment indicative at all unless someone points out how different means scummy... because there's nothing I can say about it. I am playing differently (probably)
With that being said, if that's what it's like I'll just ignore everything in that direction from now on and just focus on getting my reads out a little bit earlier than last game and making sure I get them out properly explained. Got angry about Palmar pulling the same shit he did in Hammertime when he should know better and talked myself into a wolf... won't happen again and this is the last post about it.
Ya true about Palmar should know better on that but you seemed to taken it more personally o.o Are you still offended by Palmar's thing on you in Hammertime when you both were town?
from JoaT:
On March 03 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote: Fear not guyses for I have yet again rolled neither mafia nor Ninja. Thus I will proceed to kill all those mafias and not be mislynched d1 despite being called fucking confirmed town 24-36hours into the game.
Let me check real quick if Palmar is in the game
not really offended but annoyed. I thought he was town early on doing it on purpose to start some discussion or get some read from me based on how I'd react if he misreads me again like that, so yeah I got annoyed at the possible idea of having to deal with that again because he might make someone else agree with it... Right know I'm pretty sure he's mafia for keeping at it and knowing that it annoys me.
Can some of the guys who think my tone is so awful and completly different this game please go ahead and at least compare that post above with my first post in here instead of just believing all this about how my tone is completly different?
Props for nailing it on my seriousness though LS. Because yeah, that did change, just not the thing Palmar and HF mentioned.
I don't a see a big tone difference on your entrance to this game compared to JOAT regarding Palmar and I wouldn't blame on you on that because as a Cohost in Hammertime I kinda felt bad and I shoulda warned him on his Kill Toad spam and I didn't if I recalled.
Also rsoultin not wanting to give her read on me this early to Eden but I don't blame her because I rolled Mafia in JOAT when she was town and called me Town by meta and will have to bleed green this game.
So I saw Palmar and Rayn going at each other and saw Artanis trying to stop it but I remember Artanis so townie in Imperial yet when he lynched Town!Palmar he basically looked pure Mafia (Scum if you prefer to use that term) so I might need to wait on reading him esp because he just rolled Mafia in Student VI which I was coaching the Cop and the Vet and the Cop caught him with a Cop check so ya I going to be careful reading him. Also he got a decent point about a chance that Palmar or Rayn are Mafia and the other town due to their interactions esp Palmar stuff early on about Toad and I not going to make the same mistake I did in Titanic and give a easy townread on Palmar Day 1. I also have yet to play with Mafia!Rayn so I might be a bit bias on him being town compared to Palmar so meh. @Artanis who is more likely to be Mafia between Palmar and Rayn and Why? @ExO Where you at on reads considering our past history with each other?
FIRST, I bolded the parts of the post that could have any relevance to the game. He answered the open question in the post he quoted and then near the end of the post saying artanis made a good point that if one of palmar/rayn is mafia the other is town. NEXT, I put strikethroughs on the parts of the post that are completely irrelevant. The first part is just "rsoultin did something that I don't read one way or the other" which is fluff. The next part is "Palmar and rayn are fighting and artanis is trying to stop them. Artanis looked townie in a game one time but then he looked scummy. Also he rolled scum in a game I was coaching." Completely useless and just there to pad the length of the post.
The questions are also a little weird here. The first question asks artanis about palmar and rayn but he just said in his post that he has to be careful reading artanis because of a similar situation where artanis lynched town. The question to ExO is just asking for reads, so why add "considering our past history with eachother" to it? I think it's because he is trying to gauge how well he is fitting his town meta without asking directly.
On March 19 2015 22:53 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so Artanis just answered the question while I was making my big post and saying Rayn but HF is backing him up so here my new question directed at both of you: Had both of you played with Mafia!Rayn before and if Yes can you give me a few example posts he makes as Mafia and compared them to some of his posts here?
This post. LS is usually the one to find previous games and link them to other people. He is giving HF and artanis menial work to do when they are already talking about rayn's meta and why he is scummy. This does not look like a town LS post at all. his list post gives my cornea damage and I will therefore be skipping it. I will say that I get the impression that he ordered the list first and gave reasons for why later.I also agree wtih this sentiment:
On March 19 2015 23:41 Vivax wrote: How is that list town. It's void of scumreads, it's like a big "DONT HURT ME PLS".
On March 19 2015 23:47 LightningStrike wrote: I not Mafia I swear Vivax check all my games out if you need proof bro O_o
Confident that he is mimicking his town meta, he tries to get people to only read him using meta
LS just doesn't seem like his normal town self. He hasn't given a town/scum read based on meta from a game he wasn't in. He hasn't found previous games of people and linked them to others. In fact the only person he has linked games for is himself. His posts read like he's trying to force a stream of consciousness when he doesn't have anything to say.
Other than that I think there is scum between SL and slam but not both of them.
Ugh I been told by Palmar and others to not use meta on people on games I didn't play in (or involved) and trying to do that less tbh. I also been told by others to not just link people games as most people wont click on the links tbh (HTS and Breshke told me that after Horns) and trying to be better on that T_T. I also had asked for HF to give me example posts for comparison from Rayn's past games as Mafia and compared them to this game but he failed to deliver that part but I still waiting on that but I still had listed my reasons for potentially scumreading Rayn this game in my filter.
replies to me with "ugh but I'm town" whereas to FF the reply is way more FF-case-Oriented. So, I read these guys as being way less defensive towards each other than they were towards my case. It's more like they feel compelled to talk to each other about something to create some interactions for D1 which is a task for scum.
And you still strongly feel that LS has been acting anomalous for his town game? I find it really hard to tell tbh because his playstyle is so weird.
For emphasis, FF let this question from Artanis simply SLIDE after posting such a massive case on LS. At the very least it's evidence that FF is scum, but I think Artanis is also scum. This is possibly one of the best examples I could find for a discrepancy between reads and behaviour.
This is like an invitation to FF to at least reemphasize points of his case which every townie would be happy of doing and yet he does none of that and just talks about VE.
On March 26 2015 00:48 Eden1892 wrote: tbh I could see FF being mafia by way of his case being tmi.
but I guess I'd have to actually read it all the way through instead of skimming excerpts, deciding I liked the points being made and moving on to something else
I think the fact he answers to Artanis about VE but not his own case is telling on its own. After I write such a massive thing I see no reason not to talk about it and instead put my emphasis on VE whom I'm not reading either way.
On March 26 2015 01:41 Trfel wrote: I looked at what Alakaslam said once he came back.
Unfortunately, I was gone by that point, so I couldn't interact with him.
But I actually put him at a town lead at this point. His play is just so markedly different from his scum play last game.
If Alakaslam is lynched, it should be due to interactions with flipped mafia.
Not just that. Alone the fact they RBd one of the vigs shows a dhttp://derstandard.at/egree of expectation that it could hit one of them. It's speculative but the other only reason I see is that they hoped it would get the RB claimant lynched, which wasn't really in question given that almost everyone TRd me based on the happenings of N1.
Anyway once Slam is out of the game we are left with a pool of people who are all readable and less controversial. It's good play trust me, might actually be one of the few times where I see a town managing to plynch a guy, which is underrated.
No offense to Slam but your unique style allows you to do whatever the hell you want as town AND as mafia, and hence you have to go today.
Slam being called a Soab doesnt make me want to lynch you less. For all I care you can die now, you're probably just mad cause you're getting wrecked without being able to do anything against the RNG.
I'm more interested into hearing from Artanis how the world has gone insane cause so many consider him to be scum when the only argument I've ever heard for him being town is fluid reads (I disagree, see when he sheeps Damdred's case) and activity (Lol imperial, bitch pls).
Okay, that was not really what I'm interested in. But the FF + him stuff I brought up interests me waaaaay more and following the convos I didn't see him comment on it. Obviously he's going to deny the FF + him interaction being scum scum but he can't unsee the FF argument as a standalone.
Also SLam, we're in an amazing spot. That talk of mislynches being pushed and scum being in a sick spot makes no sense, D1 we lynched a guy who was a prime vig target when I started playing, D2 we lynched scum, today we lynch another guy nobody wants at lylo. It's going swimmingly!
On March 26 2015 02:39 Trfel wrote: It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request.
NEITHER OF EDEN OR VIVAX ARE ACTUALLY TRYING YOU FOOL. They are simply taunting me and changing what I say. They refuse to read what I have actually said and are taking advantage of my being so behind on the game by refusing to answer anything I ask.
I'm not taunting you. You literally have only asked me so far what I think of you calling me scum. It's ridiculous because I'm obviously town, it proves nothing about the game because you're either inattentive or mafia or both which I already knew.
On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote: so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.
regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.
how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you
You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information.
You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER.
You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there.
You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW
this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me.
THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT
NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD
I don't want to fucking lynch you if I don't have to. Holy shit. I don't know what part of that isn't clear since I've repeatedly said "you are not helping me by trying to get me to lynch you." I have you in my POE pile. You know what that means? I have other people I don't want to lynch, I don't know what you are and I'm trying to narrow the game down to where I can lynch you regardless of your alignment and still win. Getting yourself lynched literally changes nothing about the game. Doing things that I can townread you off of OTOH will allow me to move you out of the POE list and (if you're town) get me that much closer to winning.
Refuse to inform you about what? The 300 pages you're behind on? Ain't nobody got time to go over everything. What do you want to know?
The answers to the questions I was asking.
You aren't a blue claim, so I don't see how you can be confirmed town. I see way too much "confirmed town" being thrown about this game, you aren't just PoE me as you have been snidely coloring me red since the start of the game.
...which questions...????? the only question you asked me is what i think of you calling me scum
which is that i don't give a fuck
and "snidely"? what? i've been coloring you red since around d2 when you entered my poe pile it's for the same things as i've said before
but i think the whole "i would ask my teammates for help" thing made sense
Lol how? Scum tends to overestimate town cred and is usually quite willing to bus. When they get Palmar on their team his first lines in the qt will be "Ok guys, let's ahrd defend each other" unless he thinks the game is lost form the start. I can provide examples from Titanic where I was scum with him.
Point being: It's hard to not be right when you're scum. It's much more attractive to try nd be in a spot where you seem to be right most of the time. Alakaslam for me is excempt from this reasoning as the time I witnessed his scum play (on an OMGUS game where he mislynched me) he would simply pile up on mislynches. He doesn't really give a fuck this game unless people call him scum, he went apeshit when HF called him scum and he goes apeshit when we want to lynch him, otherwise not much to see here. Literally no logical reason to have him in this game.
On March 26 2015 05:55 sicklucker wrote: Who thought rayn was town? Because I did
Me too.
Being honest here: mostly cause he sided with me when no one else did. Even scum Palmar needed convincing on this part. He was willing to lynch me in spite of his toad scumread before other people talked him into switching to BM.
On March 26 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote: Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast?
Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part.
Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs.
On March 26 2015 07:05 Eden1892 wrote: Why doesn't anybody want to lynch Fecalfeast?
Same for Slam? People still sitting on onegu for the most part.
Did you decide to TR slam? I'm 100 % sure you would regret it at lylo to leave him alive, whereas you could lynch FF without batting an eyelid. Keep it rational without pretendin to think you can read slam either way. The road to victory is paved with incognito-free slabs.
For now. Maybe I would regret it, but I'll frankly be shocked if I made it to LYLO to make that decision. We've got 3 ml's to give so even if both vigs get shot before me and we whiff on all 3 lynches, it won't be my call.
For now I think Slam has a lower probability of flipping scum than Fecalfeast. That's all I care about right now.
According to your former reasoning they have equal chance.
On March 26 2015 07:30 Eden1892 wrote: Vivax, what is more rational about lynching someone I think is town but can't read over someone I think is mafia and can read? (Presuming I can't read Slam)
If you think you can't read him you can't think he's town? At the very least you should assume that you aren't able to think he is either?
You should just use meta reasons like me and conclude I wouldn't have been RBd if scum didn't fear Slam being shot. Vigs can be pro-town or pro-scum depending on what they shoot.
But since it's a meta reason it still doesn't allow me to read Slam properly. But it allows me an insight into scum motives.
Objectively the only other possible reason is that scum hoped my RB would put suspicion on me, but then only Toad attempted to push that notion Start of D2 and nobody else tried to reinforce it.
Objectively the only other possible reason is that I'm scum and fakeclaimed vig and fakeclaimed a RB?
Objectively the other possible reason is that they didn't know who else to RB anyway?
On March 26 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote: This is so confusing Vivax. Do you not think FF is mafia? The core idea here was yours for goodness' sake. But now that I'm actually down to pursue it you're wanting to lynch someone because they're hard to read and you don't want them in LYLO? Why not just avoid ever getting to LYLO by lynching mafia?
I do think FF is mafia but my current PoE also says Slam is mafia and I want to lynch Slam first cause I wanted to get rid of him N1 and to get rid of this fucking discussion that makes me starkraving mad whenever I want to lynch players like him. The grush57's, Chezinus and Slams of this world. I want a troll genocide on this forum so I can win games by reading people who allow themselves to be read, instead of keeping them around as an asset to mafia.
Now the genocide part sounds like I'm a nazi but I'm not and anyway the point is: Why do I have to put up with people like him????????? I want to be surrounded by guys who actually give a shit about this game instead of just taking up slows and then being fucking coinflips.
On March 26 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote: If it makes you feel better we can still hit Slam with the orb
I could say the same about FF. There is really no rational basis for you to spare slam on this day except your ego, which is the ego that makes policy lynches impossible in the games in which they are really needed.
It's not even that much of a policy lynch for me. I can think of some reasons for slam being scum I already have mentioned. But it's in the nature of the troll to be able to hide himself behind the argument that his lynch is "just a policy lynch", diffaming everyone pushing for him.
They are a massive annoyance to this game and people will invent all sort of stupid reasons to let them live until they reach the point where ONE lynch decides the outcome of the game, and mafia as well as town can go like "Well up until this point I've TR'd everyone else so let's lynch this guy nobody ever bothered with cause I've run out of options".
Get rid of Slam now and you will at the very least know where everybody really stands if we ever reach a lylo situation. Cause town will have to find scum in their townreads and scum will have to make up scumreads from their townreads.
EPT
