EPTTL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 27
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On March 23 2015 01:58 Vivax wrote: If you are town and townread Artanis I strongly urge you to rethink your position given that two dead townies and me and rayn all suspect him. You may think highly of your play but straight out ignoring so many people with probably more experience than you is really stupid. At the very least if you are a supporter of that position it is your task to find arguments for it instead of lazily putting him into a list cause activity. I still have to see an argument that goes beyond "he's active or trying to solve the game" whereas multiple arguments for him being mafia have been presented from the aforementioned players. why is he scum to y'all again? can you make it succinct please? | ||
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On March 23 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: Rs... LS never voted for rayn i know he didn't? he was saying he might? i guess that doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things lol just saying you might vote for someone | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:02 Vivax wrote: No, enough clutter. Read the game, mafia isn't babyfood to be spoonfed to lazy people, you actually have to dig and find the scum nuggets. Or listen to the right people. THe constant denial to do it for yourself and request to let others do the work for you is awful town play. Did you even read what confirmed dead townies wrote? look, you don't have to work with me if you don't want to, and you don't have to like the way i play, but saying i never do any analysis is a stretch. i rely on feels cause for whatever reason they tend to work better than actual analysis for me, and it's actually frustrating if you want to know the truth my initial play on this site was heavily logic/analysis driven and i kept running into the fact that people are just fucking illogical and contradictory as town. all too often. all too many of them so would you mind working with me at all? like seriously in carol i kept asking why lian was screaming about hf and only when i went back through his filter, found his argument, applied it to hf's filter did it click work with me unless you think i'm scum, then whatever. i don't really like your attitude either it was very infurating day 1 but i'm still trying to work with you? | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:19 Vivax wrote: Sure you can work with me but then don't ask me to spoonfeed you what other people and myself said about Artanis. Cause working with you isn't the same as working for you, I did my work on the Artanis part. I read him, I read HF, I read VE, I read rayn and their opinions on him. Everyone else is letting him slide for lazy reasons, and these are the guys I trust the most given that we know each other's plays being here for years. So I kindly ask you to read what HF and VE wrote on Artanis, cause if you can't trust me or rayn at least you can trust me. lol, i really don't see the problem with putting it in one place, succinctly, over me going back through five filters to find it, but if it bugs you that much, whatever (i wasn't asking you, btw, because i ever intended to accept what you were saying blindly >< i fact-check things. it's how i work with others' reads/cases. just ask damdy. i always fact-check his cases even when people go omg! sheep time) regardless i don't think it's worth arguing about. i'm not sure why you're so pissed at me right now, anyway? it's kinda unnecessary | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:43 Vivax wrote: Pissed isn't exactly the word, I was just honest about my opinion on how the game should be played and why I think you're doing it wrong, and then suggested what to read. I figured I thought I was more constructive than how it actually came over? Okay, let's go into more concrete examples then. So can anyone tell me why HF is making wrong points on Artanis here? the WIFOM post is meh...there aren't too many points there i agree on the meta was bad i kinda already said why rayn voting for you at eod woulda looked bad even if he was scum though...he could've parked his vote on toad i suppose but that still looks bad if he thinks you're the town vig, so i don't actually agree with HF on the third post like i see why these posts are bad (most of them) but not so much why they make artanis scum? | ||
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On March 23 2015 02:59 Vivax wrote: Rsoultin. - Host wifom dictates there's at least one vet on the team. -> argumentation for scumreading VE and rayn. - It's possible RNG made it that way. Can you tell me how these two mesh? i don't see why either arguments should be made at all frankly? lol like, seriously, either it's RNG or the hosts adjusted. either way we won't know which is what he was saying it's a bad reason to scumread anyone, but doesn't that ignore the rest of his post where he did present reasons for scumreading them both beyond RNG or whatever? it's a shit post but this feels like it's being read into too much ... on the other hand the thing that just occurred to me is that for someone like ExO_ (assuming his claim is true) or me, or you...a blue claim should be met with more paranoia simply because we know we're blue and as the numbers keep piling up it becomes more and more likely someone was lying so in that sense i'm not sure where the paranoia on rayn was coming from in artanis' case like i 100% get ExO_s issue with the way the vote went down if he's blue cause i had issues with rayn's claim and onegu's...HF i trusted and the git was sitting there fake-claiming mason lol | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:13 Vivax wrote: No it's not being read in too much. Mafia has to make up stuff to scumread townies and if you find arguments that are really easy to make and don't involve the individual play, that also applies to claims, then you can be sure it could have come from mafia. Artanis starts his post with the premise of vets being in the scum team which just sounds like a lazy justification for his scumreads on VE and rayn, and at the same time posts something that invalidates his own reasoning to not look like he's stretching it too much. And Toad if you want to discuss with me why I think you're scum do it without whining. Why shoot VE and why not consider LS for lynching D1 even though your post suggested you would? Like, I had every reason to scumread Trfel and I didn't shoot him cause a good vig doesn't go for the hero play, he removes people nobody bothers with or is capable of reading. okay that actually does make sense...especially if that's a pattern i know y'all kept saying his reads were too easy this game/unoriginal i don't really have the time right now, but i'll go through his filter and see how true that is...lol >< i'm so good at mafia-siding in these games it's almost a mark against people if i'm agreeing with them too much uhoh damdy that means you may be scum xP (nah, lol) | ||
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like, honestly, if i can't keep myself from getting lynched without eden/art running interference i'm the shittiest player here and should only play in newbies...that i then inevitably fuck up lol >< | ||
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On March 23 2015 03:27 Vivax wrote: The only guy calling you scum is rayn so far, cause he doesn't buy you jailing Onegu cause medic dodge. I'm going with the theory you're town for pretty much the same reasons Artanis does. You don't seem to have trouble posting, but what you do have trouble with is getting some firm scumreads out there. that's kind of the point? eden's probably just being protective (and proud of his read lol ><) but like what is the point of even defending me when i don't need defending? lol >< eh my confidence in my reads is just not there after being wrong as many times as i've been. i can make anything sound/look right pretty much as long as i believe what i'm saying and i don't want to lead people on wild goose chases, but if that's what y'all keep clamoring for, i can do that, too i've been told more than once by different people they'd rather me play town leader even with my bad reads lol >< things just tend to go wrong when i do that | ||
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On March 23 2015 04:20 Toadesstern wrote: why would ExO claim a green on rso... I guess he could be desperate trying to get everything out when we were talking about lynching him earlier but he could have just waited until after the lynch to get another check in? This makes no sense at all... but it's understandable to be in panic in his case I guess exo thought the check meant i was VT...or he made up the check, but that seems...weird given the timing and the way he approached it | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:22 Vivax wrote: It was before the lynch when everyone was discussing all claims and who they'd vote etc. If I had to guess she took rayns claim at face value initially. But would like confirmation on this. honestly i'm still trying to decide whether or not i believe rayn's claim? but mostly i was just trolling him | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:23 Toadesstern wrote: did you already townread Artanis at that point? town lean but he's not a "strong" anything to me lol | ||
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i'd been think ls was town most of the game -shrugs- that's the second i was talking about. pretty sure toad's claim hadn't come out yet either but i haven't verified that yet? | ||
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lol >< that does seem pretty strange toad | ||
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On March 23 2015 05:42 Vivax wrote: Check it again, quite possible my memory failed me, but I was reading stuff from the time around the claims so I find it unlikely? Maybe I was reading backwards. As for Toad's question: I have no idea. Would be interesting to hear about it from rayn. he definitely claimed blue after that post? i mean i could quote it for you, but i was the one that demanded he hard-claim...for what i think are obvious reasons at this juncture lol >< | ||
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On March 21 2015 05:09 rsoultin wrote: at least one of those are wrong xP and i strongly suspect two it was like a minute before he claimed? On March 21 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am blue. | ||
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and in all fairness lol i haven't gone over artie's filter with a fine-tooth comb because i see little incentive for scum to put the work in on a day with a settled lynch on their scumbuddy and i know, toneread and all that jazz, but the eagerness and enthusiasm in the thread after that check made me think the people taking the information and running with it (which included artanis) probably weren't scum? which he won't like cause it's feels again but i really don't think that's the worst reasoning ever >< lol still, i haven't gone over artanis' filter closely so i could be missing something | ||
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