EPTTL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 249
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Eden1892
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
lol >< that does seem pretty strange toad | ||
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Damdred
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:39 Eden1892 wrote: Honestly tracking either of y'all is dumb. It tells us nothing unless you're stupid enough as mafia to fakeclaim vig, claim a shot on X, claim roleblocked and then also deliver kp somewhere else. If you're town or you're halfway competent mafia you'll be able to craft an unfalsifiable story. okay I guess I could fake it as mafia... but why take the 0% chance of confirming anything above the... let's say 5% chance of me being stupid? Especially if he's mighty angry about me and wants me dead REALLY BADLY. I just don't see why he'd track a townread, ever. I can get that tracking me would not have been optimal and he should have probably tracked a secondary scumread but Vivax? | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:32 rsoultin wrote: viva, you do realize that list came out before rayn's claim? i had to check cause i couldn't really remember when that was :/ i'd been think ls was town most of the game -shrugs- that's the second i was talking about. pretty sure toad's claim hadn't come out yet either but i haven't verified that yet? Check it again, quite possible my memory failed me, but I was reading stuff from the time around the claims so I find it unlikely? Maybe I was reading backwards. As for Toad's question: I have no idea. Would be interesting to hear about it from rayn. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:41 Damdred wrote: And what do you think toad? Lying and taking something that can't be proved? Scun? what do you mean? What I think about Rayn? He's no Tracker. he's not town either. He fakeclaimed in panic and is just plain mafia | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:42 Vivax wrote: Check it again, quite possible my memory failed me, but I was reading stuff from the time around the claims so I find it unlikely? Maybe I was reading backwards. As for Toad's question: I have no idea. Would be interesting to hear about it from rayn. he definitely claimed blue after that post? i mean i could quote it for you, but i was the one that demanded he hard-claim...for what i think are obvious reasons at this juncture lol >< | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On March 21 2015 05:09 rsoultin wrote: at least one of those are wrong xP and i strongly suspect two it was like a minute before he claimed? On March 21 2015 05:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also i am blue. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:42 Vivax wrote: Check it again, quite possible my memory failed me, but I was reading stuff from the time around the claims so I find it unlikely? Maybe I was reading backwards. As for Toad's question: I have no idea. Would be interesting to hear about it from rayn. see, this is why I'm calling you a hypocrite and pants-on-head. Just a couple minutes ago you told me it makes no sense to talk to me because you think my reasoning for townreading Artanis makes no sense and that you want to hear other peoples opinion. Btw could anyone please chime in and tell him that townreading Artanis for his effort he put into ever since late d1 and later is in fact a good reason to townread him. Just tell that to vivax because he doesn't believe me and if noone talks about that he'll take it as if he's correct when in reality noone is bothering to talk to him about that because it's so damn obvious. Back on topic: On the other hand you are no telling me you don't want other peoples opinion on wether or not rayn's decision made sense and want to hear it from him? | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:50 Toadesstern wrote: [...] Btw could anyone please chime in and tell him that townreading Artanis for his effort he put into ever since late d1 and later is in fact a good reason to townread him. Just tell that to vivax because he doesn't believe me and if noone talks about that he'll take it as if he's correct when in reality noone is bothering to talk to him about that because it's so damn obvious. [...] someone like Eden or idk.. someone that Vivax isn't currently scumreading at least | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
and in all fairness lol i haven't gone over artie's filter with a fine-tooth comb because i see little incentive for scum to put the work in on a day with a settled lynch on their scumbuddy and i know, toneread and all that jazz, but the eagerness and enthusiasm in the thread after that check made me think the people taking the information and running with it (which included artanis) probably weren't scum? which he won't like cause it's feels again but i really don't think that's the worst reasoning ever >< lol still, i haven't gone over artanis' filter closely so i could be missing something | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
I'll reconsider him as scum if he's still alive the next day and based on the new input but all this claiming bullshit and the talk of it is getting on my nerves heavily. It's stuff that becomes clearer as the game moves on and dwelling on it when today's lynch is decided already is something I leave to sisyphus. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Can someone. copy paste the Rayn wagon before I pushed on vivax | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:55 Vivax wrote: Toad, I already said I'm considering that rayn is making a play here, so I'm really only waiting for him to show up. I don't see a point in discussing the claims any further when he could say "I'm not tracker", "I tracked some other guy and bsbsbs", "I'm actually Onegu's partner" etc. I'll reconsider him as scum if he's still alive the next day and based on the new input but all this claiming bullshit and the talk of it is getting on my nerves heavily. It's stuff that becomes clearer as the game moves on and dwelling on it when today's lynch is decided already is something I leave to sisyphus. why would he ever get in the thread and openly claim mafia... | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
So here's what I'm aware of (not fully caught up yet bear in mind): rsoultin as Gamora Zen-Whoberi Vivax as Drax the Destroyer Toadesstern as Drax the Destroyer ExO_ as Peter Quill, Star Lord raynpelikoneet as Nova Prime Irani Rael Onegu as Groot rsoultin is town. :dealwithit: ExO_ I can't possibly see as mafia on further reflection. Let's look at what we have to assume for this to be true: - ExO_ seeded being the cop in several posts prior to claiming - ExO_ fakeclaimed cop with a green check on someone then argued the target was the godfather instead of just claiming a red check - ExO_ didn't bother to look at the role he was fakeclaiming to see whether it was an alignment cop or role cop - ExO_ brought the argument to rsoultin when he wasn't directly under pressure at the time, putting himself in the hot seat just to try to maybe get a jailer claim mislynched Does that sound like anything resembling a good plan to anybody? How about instead ExO_ is the real cop, didn't realize he was only an alignment cop due to getting a check that used the same name as a specific role, and claimed to force someone he thought was fakeclaiming to explain themselves? Yeah Eden that makes a lot more sense. So that's two who are basically 100% clear to me through either claim circumstances (ExO_) or godreads (rsoultin). Then we have the vigs. Vivax has been busting his ass this game harder than I've ever seen him bust his ass, as town or as mafia. Vivax's filter is nearly half the size of his entire Imperial Mafia filter in 94 hours of gameplay. He is on pace to OBLITERATE his previous posting records that I'm aware of. No way this dude is mafia. And Toad... Honestly I just don't see mafia fake-cc'ing in that spot. It's just such a bad play because if you don't get the guy lynched, he's putting a bullet in your ass with the quickness, and if you do get him lynched, you're pretty much a lock to be lynched tomorrow, which is functionally almost no different from getting a bullet in your ass with the quickness anyway. Then you look at the fact that he's also working reasonably hard to figure the game out, and that he claimed the VisceraEyes shot when VE made little sense as a mafia shot, and Toad is also town. So right now we have an investigative role and two killing roles, plus a jailer providing mild dissynergy. That seems pretty reasonable. It leaves us a mason who fakeclaimed a partner multiple times and a tracker whose n1 track doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know as the other claims. Onegu's is easy to resolve: his partner won't be lynched today, so he should claim it at the end of n2 so that if he is going to be shot, we have it on record. Claim within the last 20m of the day so mafia can't exploit the shot. ray's isn't as simple. I admit that I haven't read ray's filter enough to give a read without his claim, so I'm uncertain as to whether we should accept it or not. I'll look into that later. TL;DR: - rsoultin, ExO_, both vigs all V. Likely to be legit - Onegu will claim his partner at EON and that will resolve that - I'm really skeptical of ray's claim but I'm not informed enough to pass sound judgment at this time | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:55 Vivax wrote: Toad, I already said I'm considering that rayn is making a play here, so I'm really only waiting for him to show up. I don't see a point in discussing the claims any further when he could say "I'm not tracker", "I tracked some other guy and bsbsbs", "I'm actually Onegu's partner" etc. I'll reconsider him as scum if he's still alive the next day and based on the new input but all this claiming bullshit and the talk of it is getting on my nerves heavily. It's stuff that becomes clearer as the game moves on and dwelling on it when today's lynch is decided already is something I leave to sisyphus. Sisyphus is the rock pushing guy, right? Google says I am right. He was punished for chronic deceitfulness. I don't understand what it means to leave something to sisyphus | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:52 Toadesstern wrote: someone like Eden or idk.. someone that Vivax isn't currently scumreading at least I mean this is literally what I already did so. Yea lol | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On March 23 2015 05:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Sisyphus is the rock pushing guy, right? Google says I am right. He was punished for chronic deceitfulness. I don't understand what it means to leave something to sisyphus He means it's a waste of time because we're just turning over the same ground over and over. I'm not convinced, but that's because I can do the analysis and get to the bottom of it. If he's not finding it productive then it's probably feeling like shoving a rock up a hill only to watch it roll down again, yeah. | ||
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