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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 10 2015 12:18 GMT
#21
I think the orb needs tweaks as I would never use it as it is right now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 12:25:13
March 10 2015 12:23 GMT
#22
yeah, without making any comment on balance, I wouldn't even think about using it.

It feels like it should be something which creates more of a decision/dilemma for use. Atm it's just not close to worth it, no dilemma or decision I have to make.

edit: it's especially impossible/useless for mafia to use, which means anyone who does actually use it is very very likely to be town
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 14:41:10
March 10 2015 14:12 GMT
#23
Some more concrete ideas:

20 % chance of

- killing a player
- masoning a player
- framing and roleblocking yourself (return mafia as town and town as mafia no matter what other actions were taken)
- getting an extra hidden vote during the next day
- a random town player gets a one-shot check with 50 % of being normal and 50 % of being insane (reversed results). Strikethrough cause it allows mafia to fakeclaim checks when they get the orb.

backdraws for mafia and backdraws for town. Just a quick suggestion that makes the orb more attractive for both alignments.

so as town you have the chance of 2 benefits, as mafia of 2 benefits
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 10 2015 14:13 GMT
#24
And if you wanna kill a player and then u end up masoned with him it should be quite hilarious
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 10 2015 14:36 GMT
#25
Interestingly enough we had a second possible approach to the orb when we were hashing it out (that addresses the scum concern) but will get back to you on this.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 16:51 GMT
#26
On March 10 2015 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, without making any comment on balance, I wouldn't even think about using it.

It feels like it should be something which creates more of a decision/dilemma for use. Atm it's just not close to worth it, no dilemma or decision I have to make.

edit: it's especially impossible/useless for mafia to use, which means anyone who does actually use it is very very likely to be town


what are you even talking about. You get to make a lastsecond post writing nothing but yolo. If that's not reason enough to use the orb I don't know what else would be.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 10 2015 16:52 GMT
#27
could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 10 2015 17:23 GMT
#28
On March 11 2015 01:51 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2015 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, without making any comment on balance, I wouldn't even think about using it.

It feels like it should be something which creates more of a decision/dilemma for use. Atm it's just not close to worth it, no dilemma or decision I have to make.

edit: it's especially impossible/useless for mafia to use, which means anyone who does actually use it is very very likely to be town


what are you even talking about. You get to make a lastsecond post writing nothing but yolo. If that's not reason enough to use the orb I don't know what else would be.

i leave that to the baddies
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 17:32 GMT
#29
not even kidding, I'd probably use it for that reason. Maybe not on d3+ but if I get it on d1/n1? Sure thing.

But yeah, not really as mafia
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 17:58:05
March 10 2015 17:57 GMT
#30
On March 11 2015 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders


Yea but given the probabilities then it's just town-favoured.

I think that it needs some more benefits for mafia as they are more unlikely to get it.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 10 2015 18:01 GMT
#31
On March 11 2015 02:57 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders


Yea but given the probabilities then it's just town-favoured.

I think that it needs some more benefits for mafia as they are more unlikely to get it.

meh, if we have it replace a blue role in our balance (or probably replace 1.5 blue roles since scum can't just shoot this dead) it acts a lot like a JOAT. Simple and doesn't require that much tweaking
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:12:36
March 10 2015 18:09 GMT
#32
On March 11 2015 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 02:57 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2015 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders


Yea but given the probabilities then it's just town-favoured.

I think that it needs some more benefits for mafia as they are more unlikely to get it.

meh, if we have it replace a blue role in our balance (or probably replace 1.5 blue roles since scum can't just shoot this dead) it acts a lot like a JOAT. Simple and doesn't require that much tweaking


But it's a JOAT that can confirm people town who get it and have a lucky roll, any town is going to use this on their scumreads, and mafia won't share the results unless they roll track and happen to hit somebody who visits one of their NKs.

Not really happy with a wandering town confirmation machine (if you rolecheck on a mafia it's just like a cop check? All roles are named so)
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
March 10 2015 18:14 GMT
#33
On March 11 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 11 2015 02:57 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2015 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders


Yea but given the probabilities then it's just town-favoured.

I think that it needs some more benefits for mafia as they are more unlikely to get it.

meh, if we have it replace a blue role in our balance (or probably replace 1.5 blue roles since scum can't just shoot this dead) it acts a lot like a JOAT. Simple and doesn't require that much tweaking


But it's a JOAT that can confirm people town who get it and have a lucky roll, any town is going to use this on their scumreads, and mafia won't share the results unless they roll track and happen to hit somebody who visits one of their NKs.

Not really happy with a wandering town confirmation machine (if you rolecheck on a mafia it's just like a cop check? All roles are named so)


Rolecheck returns "vanilla" for goons and "JK" for RBs, and "cop" for mafia rolecops. It doesn't give alignment. At least, that's what I assume, otherwise it would be very powerful.

But yeah, not sure why scum wouldn't activate the abilities and share the results

When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-10 18:19:05
March 10 2015 18:15 GMT
#34
On March 11 2015 03:09 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2015 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:
On March 11 2015 02:57 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2015 01:52 Blazinghand wrote:
could just get rid of the self-kp option and it's like a joat item that wanders


Yea but given the probabilities then it's just town-favoured.

I think that it needs some more benefits for mafia as they are more unlikely to get it.

meh, if we have it replace a blue role in our balance (or probably replace 1.5 blue roles since scum can't just shoot this dead) it acts a lot like a JOAT. Simple and doesn't require that much tweaking


But it's a JOAT that can confirm people town who get it and have a lucky roll, any town is going to use this on their scumreads, and mafia won't share the results unless they roll track and happen to hit somebody who visits one of their NKs.

Not really happy with a wandering town confirmation machine.

I'm not so sure about that. I like BHs idea as well actually.

If it's just like what it says in the OP without the death that means track, cop, KP and RB are left over. Leaving out the death is already buffing it for mafia because it gets usuable in the first place.

Sure, track and cop are townfavored but KP is really good for mafia as well. RB should be better for mafia as well and track isn't useless for mafia at all.
And you can only get every action once so it's really not like it's a wandering town confirmation machine imo.

Oh yeah, it's just rolecop and not a regular cop. Sounds good without the death to me.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 10 2015 20:22 GMT
#35
On March 09 2015 12:17 Half the Sky wrote:
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If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 20:43 GMT
#36
On March 11 2015 05:22 Alakaslam wrote:
[...]
I see this toad

I /in


[image loading]

I get to reuse it :3
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 10 2015 21:30 GMT
#37
I cannot remember what you said reference was
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
March 10 2015 21:38 GMT
#38
enemy boss that everyone loves because she's super cute (the white one)

In this case not posted for reference but just because I want to hug you :3
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 10 2015 21:39 GMT
#39
Infinity orb mechanics have been updated.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
March 10 2015 21:39 GMT
#40
Toad where are those characters from?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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