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On March 25 2015 14:46 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote:
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.
my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses Like how did a fake mason claim hurt town if I'm town, and how is it smart as scum. Therefor it's not BS. It doesn't hurt town all that much if you're smart about it. As scum, it potentially keeps you alive for longer, and I could see scum risking claiming mason with a scumbuddy (yes, I'm still suspicious of raynpelikoneet/ritoky).
I think you ought to be read independent of your claim. And I don't see much that suggests you are town, though I haven't taken a close look yet.
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On March 25 2015 14:55 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 14:50 Trfel wrote:On March 25 2015 14:46 Onegu wrote:On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote:
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.
my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses Like how did a fake mason claim hurt town if I'm town, and how is it smart as scum. Therefor it's not BS. It doesn't hurt town all that much if you're smart about it. As scum, it potentially keeps you alive for longer, and I could see scum risking claiming mason with a scumbuddy (yes, I'm still suspicious of raynpelikoneet/ritoky). I think you ought to be read independent of your claim. And I don't see much that suggests you are town, though I haven't taken a close look yet. See this is fine. But If I am scum with Rayn why wouldn't Rayn confirm? I have already said this and you can check I have rolled mafia and mason with Rayn and I don't do anything without letting Rayn know and ok it. I know you say that, but it seems like a very reasonable thing to happen in my opinion. And I can't take your word for it, for obvious reasons.
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See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.
Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.
This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.
I am not inclined to lynch him?
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Ritoky, why should I townread you?
You crushed me last game. Have you done anything you are incapable of as scum yet? Is there something I missed in your scumplay last game?
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On March 25 2015 15:52 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote:
See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.
Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.
This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.
I am not inclined to lynch him? FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS MY READ AND MY LYNCH, I WAS FIRST TO VOTE HIM, MY REASONS WERE BETTER AND MY FORMULA WORKS. And this is exactly why Alakaslam is playing like he is this game. I don't think he likes his play being reduced to a formula. Is that enough incentive to be serious as town? I certainly think so.
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On March 25 2015 15:54 Eden1892 wrote:
meh sorry can't take Damdred out as of yet. But if everyone else on that list is someone you're cool with then I'm sure you'll have time to convince me otherwise, yeah?
and trfel... how is slam interesting this game? his 'evolving' read on holyflare is omgus, then dropping it when no one wanted to do anything with it. other than that he's done naught but excuse his inactivity, post off-topic and make bizarro world martyr posts about killing him so we can figure out we're wrong
like you have a really really low bar set for interesting if slam's play this game is interesting lmao I don't really understand the point of OMGUS.
Town uses OMGUS a bunch. Alakaslam shows why Holyflare is scum, and that is because Holyflare's push on Alakaslam is bad. I would have put Holyflare at scum lean for it, except it was early in the game and caused discussion, and the rest of Holyflare's play was towny. Thus, I can see what Alakaslam is getting it. He dropped it due to looking at the other things Holyflare was doing, which were townie (this makes sense).
He also shared some unique reads on other players (iirc scumread on rsoultin).
It's likely that Alakaslam is town, and can't keep up with the thread. I see it as a policy lynch.
And when I use the word interesting for Alakaslam:
Last game, Down Under 2, all he did was sheep Palmar the entire game, and didn't even bother defending himself. This game, he's at least caring, and being independent.
I can't and won't effectively argue Alakaslam to town. But I can argue him to null. And I don't want to lynch null.
I'm sleepy. Good night.
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I guess, I can't really describe it. But I can understand everything he's doing, and why he does all of it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can see it.
And so I don't want to lynch him yet.
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On March 25 2015 16:02 ritoky wrote:
how u just ignore my response trfel? ROOD I didn't have anything to say.
As to you being actively willing to try and solve the game, you were the most tryhard player in Down Under 2. And here, we're fatigued from this 300+ page game, and you're just starting. You would be obvious scum if you weren't trying harder than everyone else.
The other point requires a few careful filter dives from a fully awake Trfel. Not happening at 3 AM.
Good night. And really, thanks for the response, that wasn't an easy question to answer.
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I looked at what Alakaslam said once he came back.
Unfortunately, I was gone by that point, so I couldn't interact with him.
But I actually put him at a town lead at this point. His play is just so markedly different from his scum play last game.
If Alakaslam is lynched, it should be due to interactions with flipped mafia.
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Hm, Onegu, I certainly hope that surgery goes okay.
Vivax is generally considered town due to the number of posts and the effort he has been putting into this game.
Eden is town because he has also been putting a ton of effort into this game, and he has been constantly thinking critically and willing to discuss with anyone. He's the only certain townread that I'm willing to give for gameplay alone.
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Alakaslam, if you are town, it's obvious that you don't want to be lynched later in the game. I'm assuming this is because later lynches feel more importance, particularly LYLO. And you would feel more guilty being lynched later as opposed to right now.
However, overall, all lynches carry equal weight. If you get mislynched now, that's one mislynch, the same as if you were mislyched at LYLO. And that's why it doesn't help town to mislynch you now. So asking to be lynched now or never isn't something that town can comply with.
I want to delay your lynch for one day, and preferably for much more than that.
If you are town, it would be nice to see you read over the last 5-10 pages (or however much you are willing to read and have time for) and then post your thoughts based on those pages. No one expects you to read the entire thread, in fact most people here have not done so. The nice thing is that by talking with people who have read the entire thread, you can sort of get okay reads.
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On March 26 2015 02:26 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 02:24 Onegu wrote:On March 03 2015 16:31 Onegu wrote:On March 03 2015 12:16 prplhz wrote:26 @rsoultin Can you show me this Alakaslam bored/notbored read thing you have going on? I just checked out these scum games 1 3 7 and these town games 1 51 i and I don't see it. No, my meta read is good on slam rsoultins is bad. Count how many times he has said chupazi, Svengali, or hijole this game(after day post) multiply by (5+day #) then subtract he post count (including pregame) if you are in the negative he is scum. In the positive he is town. holy shit is this real? lmfao Eden, this is what I'm saying. Do you think it is a coincidence that Alakaslam decided to play "normally", without CHUPAZI, svengali, or hijole, the game after this "Alakaslam formula" was unveiled? I certainly don't.
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Artanis[Xp], first question, do you prefer to be called Artanis[Xp] or Artanis?
After that, do you agree that this game is more conversational than most games, including Imperial Mafia, thereby encouraging everyone to post more?
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It is strange that Alalaslam calls Eden scum for trying to figure out his alignment, but calls Vivax scum for wanting to lynch him today, which is his request.
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Why else do you think I should be townreading you?
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Fair enough, have a good evening, Artanis.
Eden, Alakaslam seems to be gone, and I can talk to you about why you might townread him, if you wish.
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Eden. Try this meta read. I realize it's weak, and I only have experience playing with mafia!Alakaslam. If you are so inclined, you can try to read some Alakaslam games.
Mini Mafia Down Under 2
Alakaslam's play was uninspired. He started out by seeing Palmar pretending to be two or three different people (I forget how many). He stated that because Palmar was practicing a greater form of CHUPAZI, he would sheep Palmar. So, he voted with Palmar's scum target and left for a while. At this point, people started showing suspicions of Alakaslam (rsoultin, ritoky, and Onegu, with me sort of following behind in thought, I forget if I expressed these sentiments in the thread). Alakaslam never moved his vote from ritoky. He came back to the thread and had minor interactions, but he never actually did anything other than say he was sheeping Palmar. He did ask what the case on him was, and we responded that he hadn't done anything creative. And he never responded to that.
TL Mafia LXX
Alakaslam hasn't sheeped anyone. His reads have been at odds with most of the thread at basically all times. He started out with a push on Holyflare. He's been providing several reads. When scumread this game, he shows a drastically different reaction. He's been willing to argue and defend himself, which I didn't notice at all last game (where he didn't even vote to save himself).
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Alakaslam, have you done anything this game that you couldn't do as scum?
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On March 26 2015 03:10 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 03:04 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, have you done anything this game that you couldn't do as scum? Yes. Been so behind on thread and yet "refused to ask my teammates to help" Actually, this is a really good point...
If Alakaslam is scum here, his partners are readily willing to bus him. Unless Superbia and Alakaslam are both scum, but I'll ignore that for now.
And if Alakaslam is being bussed, I guarantee he wouldn't try to defend himself in a near-hopeless situation, when he didn't bother trying to defend himself last game (when he wasn't even getting bussed) and it was a post-restricted game, so he could have easily read the entire game.
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On March 26 2015 02:26 Trfel wrote:
Alakaslam, if you are town, it's obvious that you don't want to be lynched later in the game. I'm assuming this is because later lynches feel more importance, particularly LYLO. And you would feel more guilty being lynched later as opposed to right now.
However, overall, all lynches carry equal weight. If you get mislynched now, that's one mislynch, the same as if you were mislyched at LYLO. And that's why it doesn't help town to mislynch you now. So asking to be lynched now or never isn't something that town can comply with.
I want to delay your lynch for one day, and preferably for much more than that.
If you are town, it would be nice to see you read over the last 5-10 pages (or however much you are willing to read and have time for) and then post your thoughts based on those pages. No one expects you to read the entire thread, in fact most people here have not done so. The nice thing is that by talking with people who have read the entire thread, you can sort of get okay reads. Alakaslam, this is why it doesn't make sense for town to decide to lynch you early or never.
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