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On March 10 2015 02:35 rsoultin wrote: only if you're scuuuuum lol I get an LS in my corner not afraid of me weeeeee i'd think even some of the mafia would want to get their kink on tbh | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote: i'm pretty sure i'm a closet sub/borderline masochist? rsoultin is town. She could not be fake breadcrumbing this role for this long as mafia | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:29 rsoultin wrote: Lol, god-tier LS read coming right up: town xP Not closeted enough that you fools don't know about it? xP i see let's go in the confirmed town closet then | ||
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On March 10 2015 07:31 ritoky wrote: we got married only a couple weeks ago, I have like 1 more month of non-procreation sex left in my life is my estimate. then for fuck's sake stop playing mafia and get to it | ||
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please. this is clearly the story of a very strong woman who is interested in experiencing the more traditional feminine side of life but hasn't been able to because no one is as tough as she is haven't you read, like, any adult novels | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:24 justanothertownie wrote: I was kinda answering Onegu there. eden missed context, confirmed scum | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:28 rsoultin wrote: lol only think of value is ls is town -rolls around the thread- Eden may be too but he's distracting me with all his talk of private closets @.@ i am distracting and marv's townread is on rsoultin | ||
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but i might have post hoc'd that last part in which case idk lol | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:35 Palmar wrote: I want a cupboard. A big old school cupboard. i'll lock you in one | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:50 ritoky wrote: I would also like everyone's input on the pickle situation. Do people find pickles attractive? Or people eating pickles? If someone ate a pickle and then tried to kiss you, would you recoil? i love the taste of pickles man | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:36 marvellosity wrote: you only get halfmarks for getting the person right, you didn't get the reason the reason was her early and actually kinda stupid townread of LS. I feel like if she was mafia she'd at least wait for a few more LS posts before giving her traditional LS townread my reason is better than yours tbqf | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:00 ritoky wrote: yo let's be real brochacho; you were totally gonn make dis post regardless of alignment so any1 town reading you for dat is on dat hash #notsickstrats wrong townread i made on rsoultin amigo | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:12 rsoultin wrote: I can waste posts sitting on you xP too bad HF is host. if you're scum you'd claim his changing targets last minute (which he does as town) is scummy and then get into a shitfight with him that goes practically line for line the same across your scum games  How is I gonna be able to read you without HF? lol just follow me after That One Game a while back I've never misread JAT and plus following is what that little sub heart desires anyway | ||
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On March 10 2015 09:51 marvellosity wrote: how many games have you played with him since you were calling for breshke to shoot me over him then? i read him as mafia that game idk what you're talking about :/ thinking you were the better shot just means i was wrong about YOU not him | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:15 marvellosity wrote: uh huh. i believe you, millions wouldn't "oh this wagon that jat is leading 5-2 is all wrong, marv is totes mafia" "oh shoot marv, not jat" "i totes read jat correctly" *waves* none of that invalidates my statement fwiw | ||
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On March 10 2015 10:26 LightningStrike wrote: Also sorry rsoultin for being Mafia in Jack of all Trades I felt so bad that you called me town instantly there. I still <3 and will bleed green for you baby girl (Cuts myself) How green am I?nice, another masochist | ||
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On March 10 2015 15:25 rsoultin wrote: koshi/rayn/? scumteam ftw someone else can figure out the third ^^ that's my work for this game lol I may or may not be entirely serious >> + Show Spoiler + Free townread to whoever guesses the exact percentage of seriousnesses in this post why rayn | ||
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On March 10 2015 20:31 marvellosity wrote: let's not fall into what I call the BH-trap of calling someone mafia for saying/doing townie things though, yes? Idk why but I get vague scum vibes from this question It seems a touch too deferential tonally even though I know it isn't meant to be | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:07 Koshi wrote: I retract my townread on Eden. Probably till he posts something again but maybe not. Slam not in game. Why were you town reading me to begin with? | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: No it's a really good post in fact. Koshi called JAT mafia for doing something townie which shouldn't be a reason to call someone mafia. Like i get where Koshi is coming from especially with his "rage" (  ) that has apparently transformed into this game aswell but still, bad tunnel would be bad tunnel.Oh I get that the point he was making made sense, I guess it just seems unnecessary to me? And reads wrong. I am very probably wrong here and don't really care to pursue it though. | ||
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I like rayn rso and Koshi so far. Would lynch Damdred In fact ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:23 marvellosity wrote: I explained pretty explicitly. Why are you even asking me this? Because I ran to work in the rain and didn't read p21-p26 yet ))))))) | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you possibly think JAT is town? Instinct He should probably be null though. Def don't see where he's been affirmatively scummy yet to pick him out of a pile | ||
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On March 10 2015 21:10 marvellosity wrote: To elaborate a little, specifically the whole trap-not-trap-whatever-it-was thing is very not-good Like if he is serious about these posts then it's just terrible and rayn is not terrible. If he is not really serious then it's not coming across very well (a negative point - would make it forced), and later posts seem to indicate he was at least trying to achieve something. I wanted to see a couple of his posts after this to see if I liked how they looked, and I didn't. So my vote is fairly serious for this point on D1. This looks townie :/ Sounds to me like he tried to get the ball rolling and didn't really succeed. Don't see how this makes him mafia? Seems more like he went after something that sounded better in his head than it actually was | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:35 Palmar wrote: I can't read slam for shit so I'm going to leave him for other people. Slam isn't even in the game so I wouldn't worry much over it | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:34 marvellosity wrote: it's ok, eden, i decided after horn that i don't really need you to listen or agree with me Well I am listening so you got 1 of 2 Why so rude? Long day at work? | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:37 marvellosity wrote: he's trolling dumbass Rude | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote: whatchu gonna do about it, punk? Rude | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:41 LightningStrike wrote: Also when Eden doesn't read the thread he normally is Mafia fyi guys. Nah I never read the thread | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think purplehaze played really well on D1 in the last Titanic game. I don't agree but I believe that you believe this which is good enough for me | ||
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On March 11 2015 01:56 marvellosity wrote: look i'm not saying you're always wrong or something, i think you're pretty decent really, just that when you're wrong and i'm right, the effort of convincing you otherwise is just... meh. I can do without it. On the plus side, you got bumped up a category! Ick, now my town meta is whining about disrespect. Stop town reading me for this! This is NOT good practice! | ||
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On March 11 2015 02:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: You had a townread on purplehaze on D2 in Titanic. Then, when i die, you make a case on him (well after making a case on Slam) based on stuff that has happened when he was your townread. Your read was DEFINITELY, on D3, based on other player's opinions -- at least a big part of it was. Here, now, you are trying to say you are some kinda god in reading him and you are trying to say "all credit for me in my read on him in that game". Why LightningStrike? Why? ray where is this going? | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: justanothertownie | ||
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On March 11 2015 03:03 prplhz wrote: why justanothertownie what happened to your instinct? Shhhhh only pressure now | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Now i am actually taking that break for 1 hour. Dmadred make a case on why am i mafia. Take it and then tell me why I need to care about this argument (or don't, should you change your mind). I have no clue what you're trying to accomplish right now and while I think you very sincerely believe what you're saying, if I don't get it, I can't help you. So yeah, take a break for a bit, refocus and then tell me what you were trying to do here. | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:37 Damdred wrote: Good god this is the most pointless thing ever, rayn said if x is tur ls is mafia. He then concludes after s ton of stuff idk if it makes ls scum after almost a whole page pushing that shit then pushed me for a fictional lie. I just don't get it. Eden why didn't you answer my question to you Missed it and don't remember it lol | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:42 ritoky wrote: has the debate been solved? ![[image loading]](http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs12/f/2006/321/4/3/Morning_pickle_by_superfabiobros.png) This guy could actually be mafia though | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote: wasn't eden/townpuppy way more useful in titanic mafia? like way way more useful no if i had been vt that game and had still exited the game n1 (for whatever reason) i would have accomplished literally nothing | ||
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On March 11 2015 04:56 rsoultin wrote: thus light. he hasnt really impressed me yet but he may be at work you know me so well | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:01 Damdred wrote: I'm still out of it a bit. Rsoultin and Eden and ritoky give me reads just off the top - i'm on ~1.5hr break and would rather play ff4 than do this, but just because you started being good and soul is here (1) rsoultin is virtually confirmed-town here to me. I know I know, I got her wrong for most of Horn of Africa (including when I died, so being right early doesn't really count), but I got her completely right in Titanic, and I feel very confident reading her. This is finally the game where we're town together and it's pretty exciting =)))))))))))))))))))))))) (2) You're town. At first I felt you were insufficiently paranoid about me compared to your play in Student VI, but it occurred to me that several other people (somehow) townread me early too, so that probably didn't mean much. And you had a question about ray earlier that I'll go back and quote now (I didn't at the time because lol mobile and big post) that I really liked: On March 11 2015 02:34 Damdred wrote: @Marv, Do you think that this weird push on LS solidifys Rayn as mafia or more as town rayn keying in on something that's important to him but not necessarily true or make ls mafia? I liked it because... (3) I think ray is also town. Granted, I haven't seen his mafia play, and I know his propensity to get into heated arguments is probably more of his personality than anything alignment-indicative... but I read his posts and it is really clear to me that he is quite sincere in his belief you're lying and mafia. I don't even have to think his reasons for believing this are good - I don't even get what he was trying to do! - but it seemed clear to me that he was, as you put it, "keying in on something that's important to him but [is] not necessarily true or [does not] make ls mafia." (4) I think Koshi is town. I don't remember anything he's said at the moment, but I remember him trying and digging into things early on d1. I could just be sleeping on his mafia game after a lackluster Horn of Africa performance, but I know he's like me in that he has to push himself pretty hard to try as mafia (while he doesn't as town). That makes his effortless early work, despite a constrained time schedule, strongly alignment-indicative to me. (5) I think prplhz is town. Again I could be sleeping on his mafia game and/or misremembering things here, but despite not really paying any attention to Titanic I remember thinking he was vaguely suspicious, and (iirc) he was mafia there. Here I see him very blatantly trying to be productive, which I don't remember from Titanic. I like his questioning me about my vote on JAT for example, even though I have no intention of playing ball about it right now (6) I think ritoky could be mafia. The pickle thing was funny for a bit, but he's talked before (I want to say in Titanic?) about how when he's mafia he has trouble finding his groove with humor, either not being able to be funny at all and taking things too seriously or going overboard with being jokey to compensate for that issue. It seems like he's going overboard here cause, sorry bud, it's not funny anymore. Coupled with him not trying to figure out the game at all (and my understanding that he does this as town, like most townies tend to do), he seems like a pretty good lynch right now. (7) I'm voting justanothertownie. (8) I think marv is probably town, the way I read marv is pretty simple: (I) Is he trying? If yes go to (II), if no mafia. (II) Did I actively think he's mafia? If yes he's probably town, because I get this wrong all the time. If no go to (III). (III) Did I actively think he's town? If yes he's probably town. If no go to (IV). (IV) Is it past day 1? If yes he's probably mafia, because when marv is mafia he's usually null and you find him by him not being clearly town. If no then you run through this chart again d2. (9) I'm unimpressed with Palmar so far but I have marv as probably town and I figure marv can figure out Palmar for me. | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:16 ritoky wrote: i feel like no1 is utilizing these rules to their fullest fucking extent, so i am going to utilize them. basically we got a bunch of dickwads in a circlejerk having a penis measuring contest, then the penis measuring contest got all kumbaya and shit, so they started blasting eachother in the ass. it's all a little too homoerotic for me to get involved in, plus i just got married; don't wanna get divorced this quick and get all my stuff took. that shit would be depressing and i would be a fucking twat. i was hoping the dickwad circlejerk would give me some great bastion of phallic glory who i could sheep for today, but i just got a bunch of ass blasting. outside of the circlejerk, eden likes pickles and circlejerks so fuck him. he needs to die. scumread a guy for joking, fuck you twice. no long post analysis fuck you three times. when you get fucked three times, you lose and get lynched. so basically what i am saying is i am completely fucking worthless at the moment, don't have a solid read on anyone after 38 pages and basically shit tier. on a completely unrelated but useful note. if all else fails, just ask palmar to give you a list of 4 mafia and lynch them, that dumbass will put 50% of the mafia in that list regardless of his alignment cuz he a dipshit like that. also in regards to soul read on damdred, guy is kinda being a bitch. i mean he is a bit more of a town sided bitch at the moment, but still he has some of his mafia bitch signs goin on where he be all friendly and not try to ruffle feathers. true story behind that is he doesn't like people's feathers tickling his ass. anywayz, i usually can't get my soul read on him until night 1 anywayz so when i say his alignment during night 1, take it to the bank. also if i get nk'd and he is alive, check his filter cuz he probably swagged on me. getting swagged on turns me on. ##sickstrats ##noreads ##shittier this post needs a pickle: ![[image loading]](http://cdn.instructables.com/FJS/X42W/FHH3379T/FJSX42WFHH3379T.LARGE.jpg) god damn it this was actually kinda funny maybe he is town :/ | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:44 ritoky wrote: what about #sickstrats #noreads #shittier don't you understand? jeez, i gotta splain urrrthing to deez ppl? next thing you know i gonna hafta splain the pickle metaphor. there's a metaphor involving pickles in here? | ||
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On March 11 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote: meh okay so rereading the damdred/rayn/ls thing looks like a huge case of miscommunication in general on the part of every party ruling: i'm throwing it out as evidence xP badumdum case closed Yesssss keep sheeping the master | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:30 Koshi wrote: Ok. Can somebody explain to me why jat could just perfectly answer marv in a record temp without having to look up anything, but 30 minutes ago he was begging marv to explain the tread to him because he didn't understand anything? Cuz he actually read the thread the whole time lol. Man my vote was trendsetting | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:37 Koshi wrote: Yeah I am not seeing your vote before mine. And I don't see any votes on JAT after you. Bruh my vote is on JAT. Lol | ||
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On March 11 2015 07:40 Koshi wrote: And unlike imperial they cant kill us both on N1. I hope these guys can remember to lynch the last one d3 | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:46 Koshi wrote: I use caps because I find it HILARIOUS. Tbh since I called him scum 1st we should find ppl who sheeped me. They are probably mafia. Also JAT is mafia cuz he wasn't doing anything proactively. Even when he wasn't defending himself (which is obviously excused) all of his posts were covering older ground or responding to others' queries instead of raising his own. Town JAT would have had some leads he wanted to pursue after catchup. Imo | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:44 Onegu wrote: Claimed VT. I'm not scum... can't you people read? I don't lie as scum... Also I'm not blue this game... Also I have this formula that I can't talk about because it was created in a ongoing game, but it has to do.with the amount of said chupazi, svengali, and HIJOLE slam says. And since I'm on page like 30 something and he hasn't said those words yet slam is scum. Also Rayn soul read incoming. Lmao this guy | ||
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On March 11 2015 08:54 Koshi wrote: You don't have to tell me bro. I started this entire thing. Just for the masses who aren't simply going to do the right thing and sheep us when we have the same suspect | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:07 Koshi wrote: rsoultin is mafia if JAT isn't. No But this is probably moot | ||
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On March 11 2015 10:04 LightningStrike wrote: I getting some weird vibes on JAT he kinda reminds me a bit of his play in void and horns when he was Mafia. Koshi is most likely Town based on some of his interactions with other people with some decent questioning. Damdred possible town for defending me so hard vs Rayn and his questioning towards others. Onegu seems town for going up against the thread sentiment of not calling Rayn Mafia. Marv is totes town since Mafia Marv is lazy and would be caught by now by Palmar if Palmar is Town. Palmar is town for about the same thing about Marv because they know each others meta so well that they can instantly call each other Mafia. ritoky null for the fact all he done this game was posting about pickles........... Eden not reading the thread is more of a scum tell for him and he admitted to not reading the thread when in Horns he easily kept with the game so most likely Mafia. Rayn: Although Wrong doesn't make him Mafia but he took some of my posts and twisted them a little makes him a little scummy. rsoultin you seemed to happy to be Mafia this game given our recent history together so Town! PLZ | ||
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On March 11 2015 09:51 Koshi wrote: Ok I actually solved the game now. See this game feels like I am swimming. But I like swimming in water. So I am doing breaststrokes but it feels odd. And I realize I am swimming in outer space. Which is not pleasant because I like swimming in water. But w.evs I keep doing breaststrokes but it is just odd the entire time. but yeah I keep doing breaststrokes in the hope I suddenly find myslef swimming in water but alas there is no water in space. This is how I experience this game. This shows that mafia is doing dumb shit I cant read them mafia for or they outplay me. So final scumteam for d1 is Rsoultin, ritoky, Eden. Gottem boys we made it | ||
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On March 11 2015 10:13 rsoultin wrote: ooooh can we roast him eden? koshi sounds like sushi which shouldn't be roasted but sushi tastes good so koshi probably will too ^^ can't let the townies be guided to victory by space cadet kosh! ![[image loading]](http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/1/19745/694910-lust_gluttony.jpg) | ||
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On March 11 2015 11:07 Onegu wrote: Fuck I'm a idiot I somehow thought slam was in this game when he posted this. LMFAO that's been the joke for a couple hours now bruh | ||
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On March 11 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: i'll probably vote jat if anything convinces my rayn is town between now and EoD oh speaking of...i get not thinking he's scum, but why do you actually think he's town, eden? he seems to sincerely believe what he's shouting about and i don't see why he'd get into this argument as scum it isn't like it can't happen but damdred's question about it to marv, where he phrased it as possibly being ray pursuing something very important to him but not actually alignment-indicative, struck a chord with me | ||
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On March 11 2015 11:18 Damdred wrote: Eden will you read what I said about Rsoultin and look into it and tell me what you think? It just seems so wishy washy for her right here it is really wishy-washy but unless she's spent an awful lot of time learning how to emulate her town posting then there's no way she's mafia | ||
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On March 11 2015 12:12 rsoultin wrote: eden >> surely you have something else to say about this game? >> Vote JAT first | ||
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On March 11 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote: lol i will not be subjugated! at least not until i'm reasonably sure you're town xP oh, and you're making sense...that too lol it's so cute how you're pretending you don't want to sub and i am actually remarkably surprised by how much clarity i am bringing in my posts this game | ||
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On March 11 2015 15:58 prplhz wrote: why do you think rso wants to replace out? man, this is not the game to be mixing up your subs | ||
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Damdred you called me town for my big reads post yesterday. What changed? You've said a couple times since that "this isn't my town game" but haven't covered why this is, and you kinda need to since you pretty openly called it my town game not that long ago and nothing has changed about my play since then. marv you upgraded me to town earlier, again nothing I've done since then has changed but now you moved me down to your lowest tier in your list post? Why? Why do you like Koshi's play more today when nothing has really changed about his either? And why do you keep handling JAT with kid gloves all of today, anyway? Koshi what are you doing man? Damdred could be silly and marv could be mafia but I'm pretty sure you aren't. You said I had "failed to show any form of inteligent argument within a conversation." What is that? Did you even read my big reads post man? C'mon. I have no idea how to even defend myself against some of this. I feel like JAT is probably still mafia for not even trying to figure things out (and should absolutely be the lynch today over me even if you suspect both of us), there's a decent chance marv is mafia because he should know better and he's handling JAT all weird. Third one idk yet | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote: there is approx 0% chance i am mafia this game so i have ignored the rest of your post Don't be a fucking donkey right now, even if you're town you know I can't be mafia either. I'm stunned that there are this many people who have played multiple games with me before and think "yep this is his mafia game" | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?page=38#760 If you want to talk about "conversational arguments" or whatever, this was 1/2 hr after Damdred posted his request. Given the length and time it took for me to see it I would consider that reasonably conversational Part of that argument sucks to respond to because I haven't had a lot of direct conversations. I feel like I haven't needed them so far, and I've been cutting down on the "conversational reads" style to an extent because it turns me into a hyperactive squirrel. This is important for me b/c I'm sick of getting into postgames where I know to myself what my instincts were saying about people and I argue as much, and then people look at me like I'm crazy because I argued the other way in the thread. I want to take that next step and get to the point where people can clearly point to my scumreads, see my logic and lynch the people I want to lynch on a regular basis. We done here? I'm not mafia. | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:17 marvellosity wrote: alright i'll play nice 1. I thought you weren't capable of that sort of large post as mafia, LS showed you were 2. yesterday Koshi was 100% confirmation biasing jat for large stretches of time and at other points being pretty annoying (i believe i said as much). today he just gives reads and reasons and perspective on the game. tis different. i thought he was town yesterday also, i just *like* his play more today 3. i don't know what to do with jat, and this is very town indicative for me Your argument #1 is terrible and a pretty big reason why I think you might be mafia. Look at the post I made in NYE vs the one in here. They're not even close to the same qualitatively. The one in NYE has like 3 reads in it on d3 and they're backed up almost entirely with superficial arguments. This one has nine on d1 with deeper arguments. It's like you didn't even read the actual list posts and check the context in the game... | ||
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#2, sure some of what he said to JAT wasn't great, but his actual posting style isn't fundamentally different IMO. And maybe I'm biased since I'm under the gun but his arguments don't actually seem better, they seem worse | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:22 Koshi wrote: Red is bad because 2 reasons: 1) Marv already explained why he likes my posting today better. It is in the thread. You have read the thread, yet you lie here. 2) My play is completely different today. It is kinda obvious. Again you lie. To answer the bolded: Yes, I read it and again you know that I read it. But I am referring to you not being interesting/engaged at all with people in 1 on 1 discussions.You spammed a couple times JAT is mafia. But when I was grilling JAT yesterday for multiple hours, what were you doing? Nothing. That is bad. If you want to be read green: Stop whining. Stop panicking. Start playing. tyvm. This is ridiculous Koshi. If you're gonna call my difference of opinion about your play today a "lie" then I'm just going to ignore you and convince the people who aren't you to lynch JAT. I didn't have to engage JAT because after I said he wasn't doing anything he still did nothing. Nothing changed for me to need to do anything. | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:26 marvellosity wrote: it's not a difference of opinion though it's like me and koshi saying "1+1=2" and you going "no, it's 3" no, it's just 2. whatever, I don't care to argue about this since Koshi is town you never told me why I moved down 2 tiers when I did nothing different between being put in tier 1 vs tier 3 | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:36 rsoultin wrote: eeeeeden play with me :/ lol or someone else who is going to be around theres a happy medium between chipmunk and broken record What do you want to talk about? | ||
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This is absolute trash. You are better than this | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:46 Palmar wrote: like I haven't even read the arguments against you. It just looks like people want to lynch you. Repeat what I just said to marv except replace "are" with "can be" - the trolling is getting hella old | ||
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On March 12 2015 00:55 marvellosity wrote: tbh i prefer to lynch rayn or maybe jat over eden. eden can move back up a tier Wtf was that? Now I'm back up to where I initially was??? | ||
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On March 12 2015 02:35 marvellosity wrote: For reference: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477225-horn-of-africa-mini-mafia-voting-thread?user=Eden1892 Oh you mean the game that Hapa started a glorified callout thread over and that I keep getting shit for ever since. Yeah I have no incentive whatsoever to try to improve my play from that | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:15 Koshi wrote: nope. You have to actually present reads that go beyond meta. You have to interact with your scumreads. JAT enters thread, Eden is nowhere. JAT leaves thread, Eden is back to complain. *yawn* I have work dumbass I already said that. Phone was taken away til break I already talked about my relative lack of interaction. I was able to scum read JAT for a good reason without interacting with him. If he doesn't do anything to change his behavior then why would I need to interact with him further? Also wtf is this about meta? 1) if meta works why do I need to do anything else? 2) my top scum read and my ray townread aren't meta based so I'm not doing just meta Koshi you are making ridiculously unfair arguments that mostly don't even have a basis in reality. Please for the live if god stop | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:26 Koshi wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=Eden1892&page=5 This page has way to much defensive and reactive stuff in it and almost nothing proactive and aggressive in it. One does not have to have many pages to show he wants to find his mafia and solve the game. But how many posts of Eden are about finding mafia? We are approaching deadline and he is whining and not finding mafia. In the PM game he was also whining before we lynched him D1. LS can you remember a game in which Eden whines and is town? Like constantly boohooing? You are enraging that's why. This game fucking sucks | ||
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So fucking mad. People aren't giving me any chance to improve my game without giving up my mislynch streak. Why the fuck even play? | ||
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On March 11 2015 05:54 Damdred wrote: Eden totes town I like that post Then he asks me a question: On March 11 2015 11:18 Damdred wrote: Eden will you read what I said about Rsoultin and look into it and tell me what you think? It just seems so wishy washy for her right here To which I reply: On March 11 2015 11:27 Eden1892 wrote: it is really wishy-washy but unless she's spent an awful lot of time learning how to emulate her town posting then there's no way she's mafia It is a very direct answer to his question. He says rso is wishy-washy, I agree but say she's town anyway because of her posting style. Then he says this, and bear in mind nothing about my posting changed from when he townread me to now On March 11 2015 22:27 Damdred wrote: Edens filter is a lot worse than I thought it would be, his vote for JAT is pretty unexplained and being really weird about town reading Rayn its...strange context checking stuff but just weird. He still never answers my question either meh The question thing is false, I answered it. Then he suddenly decided with no other interaction with me that I'm mafia right after Koshi is doing it? Hey Koshi if you're gonna talk about people not interacting, why aren't you looking at this? On March 11 2015 22:45 Damdred wrote: Honestly the more I think about it the more it just doesn't seem town Eden at this point And he never expounds on ANY of this when I ask him: On March 12 2015 00:12 Eden1892 wrote: Damdred you called me town for my big reads post yesterday. What changed? You've said a couple times since that "this isn't my town game" but haven't covered why this is, and you kinda need to since you pretty openly called it my town game not that long ago and nothing has changed about my play since then. Since Koshi decided to go full retard and won't lynch JAT and would rather lynch me, I'm going with this instead. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:38 prplhz wrote: maybe he is complaining about his phone being taken away at lunch because at lunch his phone is taken away JESUS FUCKING CHRIST THIS YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING IDIOTS. MY PHONE WAS TAKEN AWAY BOTH TIMES | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:38 Eden1892 wrote: So let's start here, after my reads list Damdred says: Then he asks me a question: To which I reply: It is a very direct answer to his question. He says rso is wishy-washy, I agree but say she's town anyway because of her posting style. Then he says this, and bear in mind nothing about my posting changed from when he townread me to now The question thing is false, I answered it. Then he suddenly decided with no other interaction with me that I'm mafia right after Koshi is doing it? Hey Koshi if you're gonna talk about people not interacting, why aren't you looking at this? And he never expounds on ANY of this when I ask him: Since Koshi decided to go full retard and won't lynch JAT and would rather lynch me, I'm going with this instead. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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I am NOT getting mislynched, now or ever | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:39 Koshi wrote: another lie about me. Modkill for idiocy PLEASE | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:35 LightningStrike wrote: As in he tried to stay out of the spotlight on his scumreads and shit and as town he loves to be in the spotlight. No I don't. I love leading lynches on my suspects. I love being able to carry town But I hate being shit on game after game after stupid motherfucking game for "spamming too much" and "promoting a mafia agenda" and all that shit despite having what are in my mind strong or at least okay performances as town. So I tried to hang back a little more and make my reads without getting to a 20-pg filter in one day. Guess what? I got nine fuckin reads after half of d1! I don't do this as mafia! Hell I don't even do this as town! And I still feel good about at least half of them. But let's run through the list: (1) "he's not a hyperactive squirrel so he's mafia!!" go fuck yourself I tried to help the people who are sick of my playstyle and look where it got me (2) "his phone got taken away he lied mafia!!" it did get taken away (3) "something something not interaction!" guess what? I DIDN'T NEED TO B/C I HAD A GREAT REASON TO LYNCH JAT WITHOUT INTERACTION AND HE NEVER DID ANYTHING TO CHANGE THAT REASON You people cannot all be this fucking bad at this game | ||
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--- So let's start here, after my reads list Damdred says: On March 11 2015 05:54 Damdred wrote: Eden totes town I like that post Then he asks me a question: On March 11 2015 11:18 Damdred wrote: Eden will you read what I said about Rsoultin and look into it and tell me what you think? It just seems so wishy washy for her right here To which I reply: On March 11 2015 11:27 Eden1892 wrote: it is really wishy-washy but unless she's spent an awful lot of time learning how to emulate her town posting then there's no way she's mafia It is a very direct answer to his question. He says rso is wishy-washy, I agree but say she's town anyway because of her posting style. Then he says this, and bear in mind nothing about my posting changed from when he townread me to now On March 11 2015 22:27 Damdred wrote: Edens filter is a lot worse than I thought it would be, his vote for JAT is pretty unexplained and being really weird about town reading Rayn its...strange context checking stuff but just weird. He still never answers my question either meh The question thing is false, I answered it. Then he suddenly decided with no other interaction with me that I'm mafia right after Koshi is doing it? Hey Koshi if you're gonna talk about people not interacting, why aren't you looking at this? On March 11 2015 22:45 Damdred wrote: Honestly the more I think about it the more it just doesn't seem town Eden at this point And he never expounds on ANY of this when I ask him: On March 12 2015 00:12 Eden1892 wrote: Damdred you called me town for my big reads post yesterday. What changed? You've said a couple times since that "this isn't my town game" but haven't covered why this is, and you kinda need to since you pretty openly called it my town game not that long ago and nothing has changed about my play since then. Since Koshi decided to go full retard and won't lynch JAT and would rather lynch me, I'm going with this instead. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:47 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred hard defended me vs Rayn why he do that as Mafia esp in his manner? I don't see a Mafia Damdred this game at all. Why the fuck wouldn't mafia hard-defend somebody, especially someone as notoriously easy to townread as you are? There is no reason mafia wouldn't do this. Are you actually going to address the argument I made or is this just going to be a way to check "interaction" off the list so Koshi can't lead a bullshit witch hunt on you later? (if it's the latter I completely understand) | ||
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You guys are fucking unbearable to play with, you know that? I play high-volume, I piss off all the people in obs and make the game unplayable for my team. I play low-volume, I get scumread for stupid reasons and have to start spamming so I don't die. How the fuck are you not townreading me by now? Heads, asses, move | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:52 LightningStrike wrote: I had seen Damdred change his reads pretty fast as town esp in Metal Mini and Titanic. Even if some of the stuff might be false he at least trying this game plus Palmar and Marv would of already called out Damdred as Mafia by now like Palmar did in Imperial. Palmar isn't even trying this game, not sure why you're counting on that marv is content to just keep shuffling his deck of reads and moving my card around to make me mad And who cares if Damdred can change his reads fast as town? That doesn't mean that's what happened here! I mean god I know all about that, tell me about it. But he still should have to explain himself when he gives literally no reason for making a complete 180 on me without any posting or interaction from me since, shouldn't he? You know I'm town, get your vote off me and onto Damdred | ||
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And actually, rso where did you go? You said you wanted to talk about something but as far as I saw you never specified anything when I asked | ||
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On March 12 2015 03:57 justanothertownie wrote: Because if you are town you can never be sure. If you are scum you only need one reason to justify your vote though. Might be a case for dickmove analysis. This is not true. If you are town you can play really well and be townread without being ridiculously spammy -> imperial. Sure I can't be 100% sure I guess? I don't get what that means. As town I might only need one reason to justify my vote. This happened with Artanis in Student VI, and all my pestering him to do stuff just made people mad about spam and did nothing to get him to do anything, so it just ended up being a waste. If my read is that someone is mafia for not trying to scumhunt, and they continue to not scumhunt, why do I need to do anything else? What do you mean by dickmove analysis? And not anymore I can't, apparently. I played Imperial before my last bout of spammy games so no one had the expectation of it. Now they do, which I guess is fair, but when I explicitly give reasons for why I'm not as spammy and I still remain highly productive (as I believe I am, and no one has actually tried to argue otherwise with any strength), I think it's fair to expect that people don't stick their faces 12 inches up their assholes and refuse to acknowledge this and keep scumreading me for shit reasons. | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:01 Damdred wrote: I've literally 100% said what I found bad about your filter Eden, reading thread and going that post looks good is one thing but your filter is bad. You lack conviction, you drop things fast. You are 100% sure on JAT being mafia at points but drop it to now go after me who nobody is pushing. Either way you are ignoring the thread to try to make other people look bad That was all true when you called it a really town post. How did you somehow miss all this and then conveniently pick it back up once Koshi decided I was mafia? And how the FUCK are you gonna scumread me for "dropping things too fast" (which I'm not even sure is true but w/e) when you were SCUMREADING ME FOR NOT MOVING AROUND ENOUGH EARLIER???? And why did you say I dodged the question on rsoultin and then say I answered it? What's actually wrong with my rsoultin read? You are so fucking mafia | ||
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BULLSHIT. I went back and quoted our entire exchange. Your post there still doesn't answer how it is that you miss everything "bad" about my post and then conveniently notice it after Koshi started pushing me | ||
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1) Townread me early without any of his usual town paranoia (see Student VI for an example of this, the guy was skeptical of my alignment until I flipped even in obs chat) 2) Townread me for my big reads post that he said he "liked a lot" 3) As soon as Koshi says he doesn't like me anymore he decides I'm mafia and wow how did he miss all this? 4) He doesn't bother to interact with me to get my reasoning on anything, he just says now it's mafia instead of talking TO ME about why he doesn't like my reads 5) Bad-faith bullshit like "you're ignoring the thread to make people look bad" which just isn't true Lynch this guy | ||
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On March 10 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: I think Edens has a good shot to be town here. So four so far XD On March 10 2015 10:46 Damdred wrote: Yeah its a clear tell I shouldn't of backed off of. Anyway, I think RS and Eden are town ls do you disagree First few hrs into Student VI: On February 24 2015 10:37 Damdred wrote: Hts I think Eden is Scum. You didagree On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote: Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts Same type of opening from me. When he's town, paranoia, thinks I'm mafia because I'm "disconnected and out of it," in this game, he has me as "good shot to be town" right away and "thinks [I'm] town" a few hrs in I even commented on this earlier On March 11 2015 01:14 Eden1892 wrote: Damdred townread me too easily for him too I backed off cuz I'm retarded and a hyperactive cocaine squirrel herpderp wow edens so bad isnt it fun to shit on him??? Everything else I already explained Lynch with fire | ||
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Bruh I know, but it's different ...not ALL that different but it is. If you're gonna scumread people for having reads you don't like then you should probably question them to understand how they got their reads, right? It IS different from "he has no reads so I scumread him" Don't be obtuse about this please, I really do think it's different and not totally hypocritical | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:11 Koshi wrote: Like, Eden is lying a lot. Saying things that are 100% incorrect. Saying things that he should know if he read the thread even semi carefully. Saying we are lynching him because he isn't an angry squirrel is wrong. 1 person brought it up. That's it. That being said. I am still not lynching Eden. Which I have been saying for ages now. I am not lying, wtf is wrong with you? Learn what the word means. I might be wrong about some things (though I don't think I am? and can't know without you explaining) but I am not lying | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: Ummm you did ignore my question which has nothing to do with the question about rsoultin... Anyway I've never said I scum read you for not jumping around like a crazy rabbit or something, that's untrue and I wasn't even in thread when that was being discussed. A post can look towny and look scummy in a different light, just like it looks good having good town reads but when you don't scum hunt? And your only scum reads fall away so fast? Yeaaa not really a towny mindset to me. Honestly I can decide if someone is scum or not by reading filter after 48 hours if things don't add up I say its weird and it is. What other question then? Wtf is this And what are you talking about with "different light"? How about actually explaining why you initially thought it was townie and what changed? You're just bullshitting here until you do Fucking lynch this guy he's so scum | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote: Are you seriously asking your mafia read to "not be obtuse about this"? ??? Your case on damdred is not the worst though. Yeah, yeah I am. I am asking you not to be obtuse whether you're town, mafia, serial killer or a fucking Martian | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:15 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv 100 % mafia. I'll explain when in front of a computer. I hope you're serious cause I can see it with how he's behaved about me today but no one is going to listen to just me | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote: Eden, you gave a list of nothing but town one I vote this guy and one this guy is scum. Looks good, long post. You then back track on rit almost immediately and the list explains why people are town rather than why anyone is scum. I've said that multiple times im pretty sure Yeah so how come you waited until Koshi started scumreading me to notice this then...??? And townread me for it right away? At the very least what you're telling me is you didn't actually read it, which isn't something that town Damdred does. You asked for reads, I gave what I had. I spat out 9 highly detailed reads immediately as I was asked to do so. That is hella townie. The other guys are likely mafia by POE. I don't see what's difficult about that or why it would even need to be explained You are so mafia | ||
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WHAT THE FUCK. HOW. FUCK this game | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote: I think we should just "keep roasting you". how bout hell no i'm so sick of this who are your scumreads now since you're actually posting? you said you "kinda liked my case" on damdred, what else ya got | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:30 Koshi wrote: Yes. He has attacked rsoultin when he didn't need to. He defended ls when he didn't need to. His early game was extremely townie. EXTREMELY townie. And all his posts make sense and are genuine while he is scumhunting. So yeah. 100% town. Eden being a giant dramaqueen has as only result that I 1) think he is mafia. 2) think less of him in case he flips town someday. what. his early game wasn't like his town game at all, i literally showed one example of how it wasn't. he doesn't have the town paranoia that he normally has. and his posts DON'T make sense, you just like them cause he's agreeing with you on me you are so bad right now. what are you even doing | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:31 justanothertownie wrote: I am currently deciding between him and Onegu/ritoky. Palmar also probably has a decent shot at being mafia. hmm why onegu/ritoky | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:35 justanothertownie wrote: Ritoky is a nonfactor this game. He did next to nothing besides keeping his pickle thing alive. As town he generally IS doing stuff. As mafia he isn't -> Imperial. I don't have a particular reason to scumread Onegu but I feel half his filter is him talking about slam. He is HARD townreading rayn and doing nothing else really. ...i like both of these reads lol you also said that you don't see how palmar could read marv mafia rn. why not? what about marv's game has you saying he's town with that much certainty | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:40 rsoultin wrote: Mrrt the anger is real :-\ <3 the hyperactive squirrel zen time. eden rage is like kosh tunnel...the bias drips what what did you want to talk about | ||
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I like the one about Onegu hard tr'ing ray but doing nothing to stop him from getting lynched | ||
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sorry jat, i did like your reads, but i think ray is much more town and i don't like how long it took you to give them | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:45 justanothertownie wrote: Why are you apologizing to a scumread???? It's not like there aren't other people in this game besides me and rayn too. cause it's kinda bs to be like "yea i like your reads" then "lol lynching you" why do you keep sniping at me for being civil with you? that's twice now. i can think you're mafia without being a dick to you | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: justanothertownie | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:50 justanothertownie wrote: He is giving way more thought and reasoning for his townreads than for his scumreads. i don't really agree with this interpretation | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:51 LightningStrike wrote: Okay since the JAT lynch is getting some traction I don't mind switching since I was scumreading him earlier. Koshi's case on him is decent in my eyes. ##Unvote ##Vote: Justanothertownie . . . whatever i'll take it but this is getting revisited tonight | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:53 justanothertownie wrote: It is absolutely true. You cannot read his post and tell me otherwise unless you are retarded. just checked, i read it that way and i'm not retarded | ||
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On March 12 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote: . . . whatever i'll take it but this is getting revisited tonight wrong. it's getting revisited now LS, what is Koshi's case on JAT | ||
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shut the fuck up asshole i'm asking ls this question not you | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote: Student VI just ended! + Show Spoiler + Town Victory with me coaching the blues lol you probably should because i toned down the spam and bouncing around quite a bit relatively speaking although i'm not getting why you didn't already notice that ls :| | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:27 LightningStrike wrote: Because the game was still going on and I couldn't use shit from there -.- ... yes you can as long as you don't say anything that compromises that game and even if you can't, you certainly should still be thinking about what you know | ||
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why do i have to think he's town to try to get him to move his vote? what a weird line of inquiry, i don't know for sure that he's mafia so i'm going to try to get him to move his vote where i want it | ||
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i kinda do want to lynch him though. hm | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:36 justanothertownie wrote: Then why is your fucking vote on me and not on him? lol just answered. show me one more vote on him or off ray and i'll probably flip over | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote: mrt ##unvote ##vote: justanothertownie reread rayn's post closer. jat's point is eh rayn...what reads did you get off your "opener" since you were using it to generate discussion, allegedly? . _ . | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:38 justanothertownie wrote: How about this. Everyone just votes for who he thinks is scum and THEN we can talk about shit like this. i hear this, but i can't/couldn't trust other people to play ball :/ ugh whatever, i need time to look at this again. better to get rid of the guy who isn't going to get any better than the one who might ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: ritoky | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:44 rsoultin wrote: do we have the votes for ritoky or not? mfcker we still have over an hour -_- ##unvote we have 2hr15m lol fwiw, i moved to ritoky. i think if jat is mafia we'll both be around to get him d2 and we shouldn't have a lot of trouble doing it. (no offense to jat but if he's mafia i don't expect him to massively spew town d2) | ||
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ritoky is the best lynch of those four. in order rit > jat > marv > ray imo | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:49 marvellosity wrote: poo, 10 pages to read and I'm about to sit down for dinner tl;dr ray shouldn't be lynched today move to ritoky move to jat if you absolutely have to but you don't and i want a d2 for jat so move to rit you're the other wagon (lol) but also shouldn't be lynched today imo | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:52 ritoky wrote: you say most people weren't calling me mafia over half the thread has me on a mafia or a poe mafia list. you are lying. case closed. i am straight up policy lynching the next person that misuses the word "lie" | ||
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i could too but i rather ritoky :/ pls? dude has literally 0 scumreads | ||
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On March 12 2015 05:56 justanothertownie wrote: Computers seem to be sparse in Iceland btw. Lol | ||
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JAT is probably town because when he had the opportunity to rile me up / keep me mad he didn't. Look at Horn of Africa for a counterexample. This game DOES have more lax BM restrictions than normal but I still feel like if he were mafia he would've probably tried to. I like that he didn't | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:00 ritoky wrote: i found 2 confirmed town, palmar and damdred. koochi is like 80% town too. urr1 else is in gray area somewhere good god lynch this guy. come the fuck on | ||
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i dunno man, i really think ritoky is better trust me, i get where you're coming from on jat, but i think ritoky is the better lynch | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is already here and talking!!!!! Vote for JAT. he's not DOING anything though! and unless people actually vote him that's not changing | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: So because useless person started doing useless things by calling other useless people mafia but not pushing them your conclusion is the useless person first referred to is now more town than the second one. bleh you're staring to annoy me with your thought processes... jat has been mostly useless today but i think i can get another read on him just fine with one more day. ritoky has been completely useless and has no promise of ever getting better i am not saying jat has had a good day at all but i am saying ritoky's has been worse and thus he should be lynched first | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:19 Koshi wrote: Somebody should check out how many times this guy works and has breaks etc. Somebody should modkill you for being a fucking douche. This close to never playing with you again. | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:25 Koshi wrote: JAT do you agree that if you are not mafia marv is? fwiw i think this could be a good place to look next if jat is town. like i said marv has been treating jat with kid gloves the whole day and it's kinda bizarre i just wish palmar didn't decide to vote marv and then do nothing because i was kinda hoping he could read marv for me. but if he's not gonna play ball | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:29 justanothertownie wrote: Stop planning future lynches and get this one right instead. Pro tip: Lynching me is not getting it right. i'm on ritoky what the fuck else do you want i can't stop this wave | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: kinda like how rsoultin was obvious town right koshi is a shocking lynch huh | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: kinda like how rsoultin was obvious town right holyflare is 100% mafia right | ||
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On March 12 2015 06:33 marvellosity wrote: kinda like how rsoultin was obvious town right damdred was totally mafia gottem boys | ||
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Glory time sheep my case ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:22 marvellosity wrote: jat treats Damdred kinda interestingly. passively calls him mafia for a long time but never pushes him I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about that much at this point. Did he bus JAT? If you think so, why? I might actually quit if this somehow comes back to me tomorrow. I'm trying to grow personally and cut down on the rage and this game obviously isn't helping. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:31 Koshi wrote: Are you the dumb one? He fucking pushed everything except JAT the last 24h. I also had the first actually good reason to kill JAT. Then you riled up a witch mob and got pissy at me for "not interacting" and then I did and guess what? As is my wont, I GOT TALKED OUT OF MY SCUM READ AKA A PERENNIAL WEAKNESS OF MINE. You are singlehandedly ruining my ability to grow this game, and for that you're very quickly earning an enduring loathing. | ||
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Shit or get off the pot. Am I mafia? | ||
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No. Infuriating but town. | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:45 marvellosity wrote: why on earth was his vote on rayn always after then >.> I was just thinking this lol | ||
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On March 12 2015 07:46 Palmar wrote: Eden who is mafia? Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now | ||
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He's after the 2 I named | ||
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? You're conf town to me lol. You even mind melded on prplhz vote a bit ago | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:02 marvellosity wrote: i meant for the general snarking before the lynch. it's very easy to get under my skin in the time leading up to a lynch and i was a meanie Oh. Sure | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:06 rsoultin wrote: it kinda felt like damdy poe'd himself a little there lol Lol right The funny thing is I agree with almost everything he said... And it makes me more confident he is mafia | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:16 Koshi wrote: Like Damdred is having the town game of is life here and people scumread him. Nobody could be more town than Damdred. You are so full of shit. Not even Damdred believes this. Linux Mini >>>> | ||
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On March 12 2015 08:41 Damdred wrote: JAT said he was town and he said smart things at points Prplhz Pls don't misgender my favorites u cisscum | ||
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On March 12 2015 10:38 Koshi wrote: No.wait she didnt. Nvm. Koshi plz | ||
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raynpelikoneet is confirmed town. This doesn't need explanation. rsoultin is still confirmed town to me. She is the only person I would say I can read based on writing style with nearly-perfect accuracy. Studying her play when I coached her and then playing a few games with her, and getting to see her play as both alignments, has made me really good at making this read. If I try to push a tone read despite in-game evidence on anyone else then you can probably ignore me but do not make this mistake when I read rsoultin this way. I have gotten that good at it. (Yes I know lame digs about Horn of Africa go here, I've figured it out since then.) Koshi is mega town. I might still be sleeping on his mafia game from a lack of experience with it, but this is night and day compared to his mafia games I've seen. He's heavily invested in all of the discussions going on and his scumhunting is really focused. I haven't liked the content of some of his pushes; I feel like he gets tunnel-vision and tends to depreciate his arguments. But it still all checks out. He also caught JAT, so there's that. marvellosity is mega town. This is based mainly off of two things: our thought on prplhz and his interaction with JAT. Regarding prplhz we had a mindmeld, although the record isn't going to show that cleanly. You can find where marv asked aloud why prplhz was voting ray the entire day during this phase; I had the same thought right before I read him saying that, but I had to do something at work and couldn't post to confirm it until a little bit later. My mindmelds pretty much never happen with mafia and I refuse to lynch them. The other bit that might be more convincing to the rest of y'all is his interaction with JAT. I described it as "kid gloves" - marv seemed unusually deferential and lenient on JAT when (IMO anyway) JAT wasn't playing well. It occurred to me that marv would really only do this as mafia if JAT were town. He doesn't want to look like he's reluctantly going with the flow when a partner is up for lynch; he either does his best to steer the lynch elsewhere or he commits to busing his partner, but he's almost scared to be in the middle ground where he's acknowledging that his partner looks bad but isn't trying to kill the partner. That's where I felt he was with JAT virtually the entire day. I have to admit I've been unimpressed with his pushes thus far, but he doesn't have to do that to be town. LightningStrike is probably town. His play this game just seems like typical town LightningStrike to me. Clear efforts to be helpful, original questioning, digging into previous games to cite evidence to support himself. I don't think I'm lynching him. ritoky is probably town on further reflection. There seemed to be a brief window where the lynch was in question, with ray, ritoky and JAT as the three wagons. JAT was very animated about getting people who weren't committed against him or ray to vote for ritoky over him. I think it was Koshi who called it the "time when JAT had hope" of not being lynched, and he spent an awful lot of it trying to get ritoky lynched. The catch here is that JAT is the better scumsided player compared to ritoky pretty easily, and I'd think that in most cases a given scumteam would rather sac ritoky to save JAT than the reverse. (No offense ritoky, it's not that you're bad, it's that JAT has arguably the best scumside game of anyone currently active on TL Mafia.) So JAT busing isn't out of the question. And it's not like ritoky has played a scintillating obvtown game either. But the reason this is more likely town is simple - if the mafia team had decided to bus (which, if they're both mafia, JAT pushing ritoky hard = bus), why didn't ritoky push to get JAT lynched? It's too glaring an inconsistency to ignore, so I think ritoky is probably town. prplhz is an anomaly. He was the first one to call out JAT on his town reads, which stuck out to me because it was a pretty insightful point that turned out to be correct. He also had a couple of pretty insightful interjections into some heated debates. (My bias is showing here, but at one point Koshi and LS were calling me a liar and mafia respectively for saying my phone was taken away at work, and prplhz was the only person with the common sense to say "or maybe he's saying this cause it's the truth.") But he's also had sparse thread presence, and despite making an insightful observation about JAT's early townreads, he proceeds never to actually vote JAT and afk's onto the now-confirmed medic. He's in my POE lynch list but I'm hoping I can get some more out of him d2. Palmar is a complete null right now and will probably remain that way until he starts playing for real. I'm looking elsewhere for my targets tomorrow but if he gets lynched tomorrow that wouldn't bother me. Onegu is a complete null right now and will probably remain that way until he starts playing for real. I'm looking elsewhere for my targets tomorrow but if he gets lynched tomorrow that wouldn't bother me. Damdred still seems like a pretty good pick for mafia. I still feel that the core of my case against him during d1 stands. His flip on me seems fabricated to fit thread sentiment; it's really bizarre that a player as generally attentive and precise as Damdred is (when town) could just look at my big reads list and immediately call it really townie, then suddenly realize he didn't notice all of the "problems" with it and think that my filter is actually really bad. He kept harping on some question I allegedly didn't answer back in the first half of d1, but then when we're talking last night he asks me about rsoultin and then never actually broaches the question from before. Seems like if it were so important that he scumread me for not answering it that he would ask it directly again to try to get an answer, no? I also felt like he was insufficiently uncertain with his town reads early in the game; there's no meta point for me to raise like prplhz did with JAT, but he called a lot of people town really fast. He had a pretty solid vote count analysis that he posted earlier and the only thing missing to wrap it up was that he's mafia lol. I think I'm lynching this guy tomorrow. | ||
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On March 12 2015 16:33 ritoky wrote: don't have any particularly strong reads in terms of scum. i have some strong town reads. if i was going to get shot unless i provided names? eden and marv; with an outside shot at rsoul more likely than not i am going to sheep palmar, damdred, koochi, and rayn unless i find something particularly compelling. bruh all of those names are wrong ._. | ||
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On March 12 2015 16:43 ritoky wrote: says you sucka foo. my reads b sick like listening to tunes on your beats by dre #sickreads #beatsbydre literally listening to The Next Episode rn | ||
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On March 12 2015 20:19 marvellosity wrote: it feels with damdred that he POE'd everyone and since he did that, he has to "question me" somehow. even though his vote analysis post wasn't even bad at all. Mafia can make good VCA posts, typically VCA is one of the least opinion-driven forms of analysis in the game so it's a good way for mafia to make good posts. If Damdred virtually POE'd himself mafia and doesn't have a good reason for not being mafia he should be lynched, easy as that | ||
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o0o0o0o0o0o0o I say this because I'm not very good at reading marv and I feel like you and Palmar (and apparently ray too? not fully caught up yet) are all saying he's mafia. In my world at most 1 can be mafia and likely none are, which means there's a good chance marv is actually mafia. But I just don't see how you have Damdred as top town 100%. Like at all. So I think you're wrong there but could well be right on marv. Can you explain why Damdred is 100% town again? You prolly already did but pls do again for me. | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: LightningStrike i remember reading you asked me (and Koshi) why marv is mafia or something like that. I don't think marv is mafia so i can't answer that. Why were you even asking that? I have never called marv mafia in this game. OOPS AYYYYYY So just Palmar and Koshi then in my previous post | ||
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On March 12 2015 21:39 marvellosity wrote: like you're asking me to let go "using meta", which I will never do, because it generally gives me good results, even if I need to fiddle with the interpretations from time to time ^^ Meta: I have misread rso once ever and even then it was only because I let her seduce me with her fake-townie wiles after scum reading her for tone correctly. You can basically treat me town reading her as equivalent to you town reading Palmar | ||
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On March 13 2015 00:55 Koshi wrote: I feel like Onegu shouldn't know that rayn is town if he is 50 pages behind. Or he just checked the flip at the beginning of catchup. C'mon man. Any thoughts on my suggestion to you earlier? Can you explain again why Damdred is town? | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:18 marvellosity wrote: Like I just don't think a townie completely forgets his read progression on someone and talking to someone. I just don't. I can't conceive a world where I, no matter how tired I am, go to bed thinking someone is mafia and wake up thinking they are town. For me, that is totally impossible. I've done it before That was weird though. I figure I can resolve it d2 | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:21 marvellosity wrote: nice one eden. glad to have your opinion $20 Where is rso | ||
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No cuz I don't think I ever actually posted before I remembered lol. And tbh I rather not tell ray how to play it off if he actually slipped I say wait for d2 for reason I will say at eon | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:23 LightningStrike wrote: Pretty much all of Horns lol.............. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:33 rsoultin wrote: Meh make it quick eden ise be busy xP oh, i just wanted to say hey and also who are your scumreads rn and why? esp. who are you lynching tomorrow and why | ||
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On March 13 2015 01:56 Koshi wrote: Ok Damdred is not mafia in 100 years. I just read his filter again. Last 2 pages. I thought he might be a bit too serious or something else that could be off but even that isn't true. wtf WHY I've asked this of you thrice now and you won't say | ||
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On March 13 2015 02:43 Koshi wrote: 1) supertowny early game. See my previous post about it. 2) Good posts when rayn was attacking ls. Why would mafia do it? And why on that way. Drawing attention to him. 3) No overreaction or any other odd thing when rayn attacked him. rayn was aggressive towards him. He was aggressive towards rayn. 4) Good analysis after the vote. Got stuck with marv/onegu and somebody. It made all sense, he didn't skip any thought. 5) Last pages weren't over serious or something. It was just Damdred playing his game. I've already seen and replied to (1). I don't think his early game was very townie at all. He called me town hella quick by his standards when he's usually far more measured and cautious in reading me. Not sure I follow (2) very much. As far as I understood that argument he made a couple of clarifying comments anybody could have made and then he got dragged into a fight because ray called him a liar. (3) I guess? I agree but I also think Damdred is capable of not overreacting as mafia. I admit I'm not familiar with his mafia game much, though, so if it's some kind of tendency he has to overreact as mafia, then this is a pretty good point. For (4) I loved his analysis after the vote, I also think it's a pretty compelling reason to believe he's mafia. He cleared so many people for great reasons and he wasn't one of them. What does that tell you? And for (5) lol I don't even know what this means. As for rsoultin, she's doing a few stylistic things with her writing that completely disappear when she's mafia. Pick a couple pages of her filter in Horn of Africa Mini Mafia and VII Titanic Mini Mafia and compare to here. There's a noticeable absence of emoticons, the actions (e.g. -sits on head-), and she's a lot less forceful when she's telling people off (infrequent "pull your head out of your ass" type responses, more "that's silly" type responses). She's just posting so much more freeform and flowing here by comparison. I agree that she isn't being as productive as I'd like ([clears throat at rsoultin]) but you're just gonna have to trust my read man. I wouldn't push a tone read this hard with anybody else (except maybe sicklucker, I think I've played enough with him to maybe justify it too). | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:48 rsoultin wrote: Youre a dumbass koshi lol mafia by poe just means at least one of your townreads are wrong, amd if im objectively one of the twp least town to you youre fucking high to be fair, based solely on contributions to solving the game, you're a little far down the list dear | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote: Eden, emoticons and sitting on head is fucking worth nothing in a game nobody is able to find mafia. Then you look at the content of posts and Damdred his content is a fucking trillion times better than rsoultin. It's worth a ton. I can catch her dead to rights when she is mafia. See Titanic Mini where I literally spent maybe 2 hours actually looking at the game and I caught her d1. I don't think Damdred's content is all that much better either, honestly. The VCA from tonight puts him over the top, but I think you need to revisit his filter if you think it's full of good work. They're both below-average this game in productivity, I just have rsoultin as strong town because I can tone read her like a champ | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:50 Koshi wrote: Look at the content. Lynch for the content. Don't get bamboozled. So we're lynching Onegu then tomorrow? C'mon. I hear you in general, but productivity, though important, is far from the only measuring stick of a townie's worth. You know this. | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:52 rsoultin wrote: Tbf eden sweetcheeks i did a shit ton more than you did ^^ ![[image loading]](http://www.okdani.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ooooh-disbelief.gif) prove it. if nothing else, save me the trouble of convincing other people you aren't being unproductive | ||
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On March 13 2015 03:55 Koshi wrote: THIS HOLD THIS THOUGHT EDEN. LET HER PROOF IT. ![[image loading]](http://www.quickmeme.com/img/92/92ec7f21ac7dee05590fdaf18510550acd68986e305508c60650e5e66f3e579e.jpg) | ||
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On March 13 2015 04:42 Palmar wrote: Rsoultin and Marv and rayn and Eden scum team Koshi knows why is marv absolutely mafia to you? i meant to ask this earlier but i forgot | ||
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On March 13 2015 06:19 Koshi wrote: You also might be alive for a long time. Make sure you lynch marv after 2 town lynches. No excuses. Just vote him. Spread teh word. aww, the way you're talking to me it's almost like you think i'm town | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote: I shot rsoultin ##VOTE: Palmar | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:06 Palmar wrote: Outside in 10 minutes make it 9 | ||
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but then we have vig, vet, doc. i don't believe that for an instant if palmar lied and there isn't a vig then we just have to have a doc who was rb'd, which... is sorta ok? but then why was rso shot | ||
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but then like you said, where's their shot? basically there are 3 ways to explain the no-kill, but they all suck: (1) mafia doesn't have rb. but then why wasn't ray shot? killing a confirmed town who is coincidentally the only way to dodge a medic shot 100% is clearly the optimal play under those circumstances (2) mafia does have rb, rb'd ray and shot rso. no offense to rso (<3) but i don't see why this would ever happen in this game state (3) mafia does have rb, rb'd ray and hit either a 2nd doc's save or a vet. but then that means palmar is the vig and shot rso, and thus the setup is vig/vet/doc vs rb/??? which isn't impossible but seems highly unlikely | ||
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and should also try to help me figure out why he's alive, because it's nearly impossible to believe that he is the genuine honest-to-god medic, he's alive d2 and the only kill was rso (who was shot by vigclaim!palmar) here's an incentive ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:17 Palmar wrote: Doesn't matter, Eden is mafia. Kill him. get out of here with this | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: Or, we wait on Rayn and in case he's mafia we stop giving him hints what happened. Which btw vig/vet/medic won't exist really in this setup oopw yeah i'll stop talking about it now prplhz makes a good point. idc if he's gonna be trolly about it or not though. Palmar why'd you shoot rso out of your group of mafia reads? | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:24 Koshi wrote: Imo it is Onegu and Ritoky now. i thought about onegu, why ritoky? i want to ask more about the night stuff but i can't/shouldn't until ray gets here | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:31 Palmar wrote: I am not trolling. I have cleared everyone except you, ritoky and onegu. So... we're lynching you. then you are actually dumb as shit case on me, go | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:40 marvellosity wrote: oh wow my money is on rayn being vet and he claimed doc. whoa | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:41 prplhz wrote: would be a pretty cool play would be cooler if he could have told us what happened before you said this though? yeah lol | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Onegu still think damdred and onegu are the best bets. really do not see why everyone has damdred as town, but i'll play ball with koshi/palmar/marv since i'll very likely be around to lynch damdred later anyway also it's not ritoky. jat tried to push ritoky to save himself later and that doesn't really make sense when they're teammates someone who has damdred as town pls argue with me about why my reasons for him being mafia are wrong: (1) he hasn't been super productive (2) lack of town paranoia early (3) his VCA basically poe'd himself mafia (4) his flip on me d1 was uncharacteristic in its alleged inattentiveness and seemed a little too convenient given the thread sentiment at the time | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:44 Palmar wrote: We can't know that, you won't have perfect information every game. stop being a fucking asshole | ||
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Linux Mini: I was mafia doesn't count that I had her as town lol Horn of Africa: I got the mafia toneread right but mindgamed myself out of it like a chump VII Titanic Mini: I gave the game 0 time due to being super busy irl but still caught her d1 on tone XXX Mini: I got her right immediately | ||
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somehow this doesn't sound right. i want to say he claimed vt in hammertime and was mafia | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:53 Palmar wrote: Btw, reason for PoE we only have 2 claimed blues. So I'm just assuming rayn is actually the medic or vet or whatever else he could be. marv is town, koshi is town I'm counting on the marv prplhz soul read to make prplhz town. Same with koshi and damdred. LS is basically confirmed. So, that leaves eden, ritoky and onegu. so you aren't even thinking critically at all about damdred or prplhz, cool this is fucking garbage palmar, you're better than this | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote: not in the first couple pages at least. dang u rite i guess... guess... damdred and would jat push his partner ritoky there? i really don't think so but i also don't have any reason to think ritoky is town besides it this game is kinda hard if onegu and ray are both town :/ | ||
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yeah seems pretty likely to me at this point. i don't understand how this is relevant to your decision to be a terrible analyst and do lazy POE based off of sheeping individual people instead of considering alternate arguments or doing any digging for yourself, really you should be fucking embarrassed rn because i am obviously town and you've played enough games with me to know it | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:59 marvellosity wrote: i think jat's push on ritoky was just wifom, so i'm just ignoring it in general. that's fair, in which case it's ritoky/damdred if not onegu | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:01 prplhz wrote: onegu is gone, what do you expect will happen i don't know why he wasn't shot since he's abandoned the game. because derpderp palmar tried to be town hero and chased his dumb eden/rso scumreads and is 0/1 and too proud and arrogant to admit he went 0/2 instead of taking the clearly optimal shot | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote: If I think marv is town and he is absolutely sure someone else is town that is good enough for me. cool cuz last i checked he's there with me too, as is koshi | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote: Also ##Vote: Palmar ls pls | ||
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no offense but i don't want to be in it | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:05 LightningStrike wrote: In case you guys didn't notice I softed blue. What. | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote: I'm going out now but I am Blue and counter claiming Palmar's blue claims. When I come back I will out my role. why would you not just claim your role in this post ._. someone help. i actually really think ls might be mafia here b/c this makes 0 sense for town but... it also doesn't make sense for mafia | ||
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is the argument that LS thinks palmar is mafia because LS blocked palmar (as jailer or rb) and palmar claimed a shot that went through? because if so, given that rb's aren't informed per the OP (i think), i see no reason why this incriminates palmar it just makes the shot hella weird | ||
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plus that doesn't make sense anyway, LS said he wanted to cc during the night and when did palmar even claim during night??? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:37 Koshi wrote: Well. We believe there is a vigi and if LS rb'ed Palmar the scum nk is missing. vet!ray got shot? (see marv theory) and why believe there's a vig if it's not palmar | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:06 LightningStrike wrote: I counter claiming your blue claim just didn't choose to do it in the night phase. implying palmar claimed at night when did palmar claim at night??????? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:38 marvellosity wrote: well palmar claimed right at EOD, so during night would be logical but then why would ls cc palmar's medic claim when ray already did? wouldn't LS have said something about ray claiming medic? | ||
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oh duh lol, can't be both then maybe mafia shot rso... but idk why they would | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote: Hmmmm people Eden isn't reading the thread? wtf are you talking about | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:39 Eden1892 wrote: but then why would ls cc palmar's medic claim when ray already did? wouldn't LS have said something about ray claiming medic? lemme put this better because it's important ray claims medic palmar cc's at eod that is palmar's only claim he made before claiming vig, iirc if ls says he wanted to cc palmar during the night then he is talking about cc'ing palmar's medic claim but if ls is doing this he is medic, in which case why did he have no reaction to ray claiming medic to get jat lynched? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: You are ignoring Palmar saying he wasn't actually blue I believe? then what is LS talking about when he says he wanted to cc palmar at night?????? also where was that? i did miss this happening | ||
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what the fuck is even your point | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:42 Damdred wrote: Right after LS claimed and left Palm was asked if he was blue he said no lmao wtf who killed rsoultin????????? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:19 Palmar wrote: no, I just wanted to piss the mafia off by claiming their nk. i read this as sarcasm but if it's a serious retraction i got no clue what's going on ._. fwiw i STILL don't get how ls can want to cc palmar during the night | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:45 Damdred wrote: Now don't be bm just because I point out your mistake "hey guys eden isn't reading the thread??" what is the point of this "observation," damdred? | ||
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On March 13 2015 08:46 Damdred wrote: I just don't see vig Sl shooting rsoultin i agree with this | ||
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On March 13 2015 09:16 ritoky wrote: eden seems a little over-reactive and emotional about being scumread by people with his whole "i am never getting mislynched" schtick. like w/e dude don't be a robik. it isn't even legitimate vote pressure, it's people poe scum reading him. that and he peeled off his primary scum read in JAT who is confirmed mafia to help his #1 scum read push a shennanie lynch on low hanging fruit in me who was clearly town trolling all phase. when it wasn't working out because i was so obv town, he made some crap tier excuse to hop back on the lynch. something about prp sayin something if i remember right? it was all too convenient. please, you were not obvious town if you're going to start playing you should probably not make shit up for starters | ||
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On March 13 2015 09:24 ritoky wrote: working on finding mafia, my attention level has been low in regards to this game since i was more invested and had to devote a lot of energy to carrying my afk scum team in the other game. as of now i think eden's play makes the least sense of any1 alive. a lot of people are scum reading onegu, but i don't remember him ever posting? i guess he had to have posted, since he isn't mod killed. he claimed VT...he did that in the other game and was medic and did it in one i played with him before and was VT; don't think i have ever played with him as mafia but he is adamant he doesn't claim it as mafia. if someone has a mafia game of his i would love to see it for reference. i think onegu is lynch bait. if onegu is lynchbait and it's not you then this game makes 0 fucking sense one (or more if damdred is town) of the vets who are clearly town in my mind (koshi/marv) would just about have to be mafia and i just don't see that why is onegu lynchbait to you? | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Damdred reasons: (1) lack of town paranoia early (2) going from calling me very town for my reads post d1 to sudden flip onto me right as thread sentiment moved against me (3) only one truly good analytical post the whole game which was a VCA that strongly incriminated him anyway (4) general lack of digging compared to my expectations for town!Damdred. like does anybody see this guy solving the game right now or trying? or trying to do so tonight? go look at his filter in Student Mafia VI, the difference is clear to me. so many more observations and questions than in this game | ||
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On March 13 2015 09:36 prplhz wrote: reading hammertime this didn't happen, onegu didn't claim vt ya i was wrong about this, noted it shortly after that post | ||
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but I rather Damdred since I have him as affirmatively suspicious instead of just not-trying-thus-mafia | ||
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you look at people who were lynchbait in recent games and it's not the same. sicklucker when he's town is a good example (no offense bud if you're reading lol), like in Horn of Africa. he was actively posting and just said some scummy/silly/stupid shit but he was obviously trying and if you were sufficiently charitable in reading him it was pretty clear he was town Onegu just isn't doing anything at all. that's not lynchbait that's just not playing the game like i said, it's not affirmatively suspicious but it's a good reason to lynch him if i've got a lot of townies among the actives | ||
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On March 13 2015 09:44 ritoky wrote: because he claimed VT, i have 2 games i can remember played with him, in both he claimed VT, in both he was town. i asked for a mafia game of his so i can verify he doesn't do this as mafia. unless i see to the contrary i am going to err on the side of him being town. that's fine i guess, i can understand this reasoning. what about damdred then? | ||
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On March 13 2015 10:56 Damdred wrote: I'm honestly a bit confused about the game. There's a couple of things that bothering me right now. JAT busses as scum of he has to, to get cred. In void he did this hardcore to SL and to Hts to a lesser extent. So I need to look if he has any early pushes or late pushes. I know both myself and rit jat halfway pushed idk about others. Eden bothers me to. The push off of JAT onto anyone not jat wanting to give him an extra day. Its really weid to me still. rayn being alive but yea why would I ever do that as scum while townreading his main other wagon? | ||
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On March 13 2015 11:16 Damdred wrote: To say that. Honestly you decided to push with your scum read onto rit. I just don't get it that's fucking dumb. if i wanted to save my teammate i wouldn't have been vocal about not lynching ray i don't see how you can possibly be town playing this bad | ||
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(1) i thought ray was town (2) while mostly thinking jat was scum, i started to talk to him (after you chuckleheads got on my ass for not doing so BY THE WAY) (3) jat convinced me that while he was still dirty he wasn't the best lynch, since he showed some promise of posting more while ritoky never showed promise of doing anything (4) therefore while being quite alright with a jat lynch (as i said repeatedly) i decided to try to kill ritoky instead if i'm mafia there are 2 things that never happen there: (1) i don't talk to jat the way i do. go read that interaction. if you think it's mafia-mafia you are officially overloaded with confirmation bias and need to take an hour break before trying again. rinse repeat until you no longer think it's mafia-mafia (2) i don't ever make my biggest point throughout the discussion that my partner's big counterwagon shouldn't be the lynch | ||
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On March 13 2015 11:24 Damdred wrote: Lol badly? I'm pointing out actual inconsitincies in your play and btw you pushed a lynch or tried to off a team mate onto a townie. Still doesn't excuse the fact that Eden chose to push with his scun read onto two different players and you aren't explaining why what fucking inconsistency? what the fuck are you even talking about? do i need to define inconsistency for you? i told you exactly what happened already. how the fuck are you this dense the WHOLE TIME i said that jat was in my top suspects. the WHOLE TIME. the WHOLE TIME i said that jat's main counterwagon was town. i ended up concluding after jat started playing and giving reads that lynching ritoky, who i ALSO thought was mafia, was a better decision, because ritoky wasn't going to give us anything. if we want to talk inconsistencies, how the fuck did you read my big reads post and go "yep mhm town eden" and then as SOON as koshi starts getting on me you basically go "oh wow there's actually all these problems with eden's game"??? how'd that happen damdred? | ||
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On March 13 2015 11:29 Damdred wrote: Like I'm trying to figure out why Eden did what he did while hrs yelling at me for being fucking bad when he's been horribly biased and wrong for almost the whole game against me while I'm trying to objectively point things out that are important to me. oh yeah horribly biased and wrong let's see - JAT's alignment: got it right!! and before anyone but koshi did to boot. the only reason I didn't ride this wagon the whole day is because you idiots went full retard on me for "not interacting" and then I let myself be suckered into not voting JAT after talking to him - rsoultin's alignment: got it right!! 100% right the whole way! wow so bad what a terrible player right | ||
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i'm going back to my early style of posting where i don't post much and am right on all my reads and i'm not flooding the thread with rage spam | ||
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On March 13 2015 12:05 Damdred wrote: Whatever I had a long post typed out but Eden isn't worth my time or my anger over going full retard if town. Literally when someone acts like robik II just ignore them and this is what we've come to. Total bias at least I have some regard of self awareness when I've played meh, I've been slightly above meh. Good job Eden good job lol you have not been "slightly above meh." please. i know i haven't played great, but that doesn't change how terrible some of the "points" brought against me have been | ||
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On March 13 2015 11:59 LightningStrike wrote: Eden what will it take for us to make you post without raging? probably people either calling me town and discussing other things, or actually making a point i can respond to against me, would be great. i'm just mad because palmar isn't trying to solve the game and keeps calling me mafia for literally 0 reason, and damdred has been dancing around calling me mafia all game, bringing up reasons why he thinks i'm suspicious but never actually directly engaging me about the things he finds weird. like the jat thing for instance, notice he never actually asks me anything about my thought process to understand the things i'm doing that he says are weird. he says it's weird that i pushed ritoky when i was scumreading jat, but he never asks me why i did that. when i did him the courtesy of explaining it anyway, he just calls it inconsistent without explanation and then doesn't ask me about any of the steps i took in my thought process he did this with the reads post i keep talking about as well. he asked me for reads, i gave a big reads post, he says it's a townie post. he doesn't challenge it or contest any bit of it or even ask any further questions about it, he just says it's townie and drops it. then the next morning he suddenly decides it's suspicious because of XYZ things but he again never asks me about those things directly. ^^this is why damdred is probably mafia btw, i didn't mean for that to turn into a case but here we are vote damdred ##VOTE: Damdred | ||
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On March 13 2015 12:15 Damdred wrote: lololol you mean like how I scum sided and tried to push a lynch off mafia? Or put a pressure vote off mafia and moved it off of him after being seduced by basically nothing...btw what reads and stuff by JAT were so great that convinced you to work with him again? Like literally everything I took to a neutral party to see if what I was saying makes sense wasn't horrible. You need to get over yourself Eden. You want to see terrible points just look at the case you built on me. I didn't scumside, if I had scumsided I wouldn't have said "I am okay with JAT being lynched and we cannot ever lynch the main counterwagon to JAT." I put a pressure vote on JAT that turned into a real vote when he never did anything, and when he started posting reads and ritoky didn't do anything, I decided the better lynch was to go for ritoky. When that didn't happen I went back to the case I built on Damdred d1 because I liked it better. Shrug. The funny thing is that you keep taking stupid potshots at me not lynching JAT, but then where were you the whole time? Not doing anything to figure anyone out. Where are you now? Still not trying to figure anyone out. This post is actually a great example of it. If you're town, what do you gain from making fun of me not being locked in on JAT the whole time? What constructive purpose are you advancing? Nothing. You're just sniping from the sidelines which, for everyone else's convenience, is something rsoultin scumread you for before she was shot by the mafia. And why are you trying to have things both ways, anyway? My big reads list was pretty on-point from the looks of it. You said it was scummy. Then I go do something else that could be argued to contradict it, and you make fun of me for being wrong? Why are my only options being mafia or being wrong? Why won't you leave any room to interpret what I'm doing in a townie light? And before you say I won't do the same for you, I have repeatedly invited you to rebut my case. You just won't. You'd rather snipe at my misplay and call my case terrible without addressing it. If you're town, I don't know what benefit you get from doing this. I think you're just trying to rile me up at this point, and I'm not gonna let you do it. | ||
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On March 13 2015 12:24 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred and Eden you should lynch Palmar because he's most likely mafia after all my counter claiming stuff at the start of the Day Phase and suggesting a Vig when there was only 1 kill and that was rsoultin. He also wasn't doing much this game and trolled extremely hard and kept on saying Marv is 100% Mafia and wont provide his case on Marv being 100% Mafia and if he's town he would of gave me his case ASAP. This is probably okay. I'm gonna wait to see what marv has to say about Palmar and what ray has to say about the night actions first, and I'm probably not moving off of Damdred right now, but I'll keep it in mind. | ||
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He says he'd like to kill me but he can't really justify it because he thinks I would have bused JAT. Says he's in "a weird spot" because he had townreads on ritoky and marv. Then what does he do after this admittedly pretty good post?
Not bothering to finish this but the gist of the rest is that he talks a bit with ritoky once ritoky starts to play, he briefly does setup spec that isn't alignment-indicative and then he gets into it with me, entirely of my initiative mind. You'll notice the following things are absent from the list: [1] Doing anything to figure out Onegu. [2] Doing anything to pressure his other scum suspects, instead just ignoring his VCA and deciding to townread them anyway. [3] Doing anything to pressure the people he decides are probably mafia instead (rsoultin and me). Also, giving any explanation as to why he decided to throw away the point about JAT townreading rsoultin and me. So Damdred, where's the pressure on me? You said I needed to be pressured because my play was weird. Why haven't you made a single bit of effort to take the initiative in questioning me? If I'm the bad guy and you're town then why am I the one constantly having to take the fight to you? | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote: oh it's a summary of damdred doing vote analysis and then you just quoting his shit and whining. okay. go look at down under 2 where he literally did the exact same post as town. at the exact same point. congratz. your read on damdred is bad, i already told you why he would be mafia if he is. It's not about the post, it's the complete lack of followup to any of the conclusions within it. He says you, Onegu and marv are the final mafia pool, then he pulls you and marv out and calls you town while never doing anything about Onegu. He says rsoultin and I were weird and needed to be pressured, he never does any of that. I said the analysis post itself was fine. And I know he makes those posts as either alignment. I saw it in Student VI as well. The problem is that there's no followup. That's what makes him suspicious. | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:22 Damdred wrote: You are terribad if you are town here Eden seriously. Damdred doesn't pressure you or rsoultin hrmmmm. Both of you had strange interactions between yourselves, I pinged out rsoultin day before town read rsoultin and obviously if your interactions are weird and I think one mafia has to be between you it has to be YOU! I've also tried to figure out why you did things, but you decided to go full robik at this point instead of having an actual discussion I asked about the JAT thing and you decided to go full rage mode or full retard idk which. hard to do anything with oneg when he's literally hundred pages behind at points never in thread with me? That's really a non point honestly Like this whole case is bullshit and you should feel bad cause I'm never getting lynched You haven't tried to figure out what I'm doing at all. Here is the comprehensive list of questions you've asked me since you started calling my play weird during n1 and before the post you just replied to: On March 13 2015 08:40 Damdred wrote: You are ignoring Palmar saying he wasn't actually blue I believe? You are not trying to figure out what I'm doing. Don't even try to act like it. This is what you look like when you have someone you think is suspicious and you're trying to figure out what they're doing: On February 27 2015 03:08 Damdred wrote: Well art, what did you think of some of my conclussions and things I drew from my vca? Who do you disagree with most besides yourself or who would you switch yourself with? On February 27 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Do you think i'm right on SL and Node? which is more likely do you think? i'm leaning more towards node probably On February 27 2015 03:23 Damdred wrote: Do you not think that snarfs post with all his reads is something mafia probably wouldn't do? Also why did you vote for snarfs with yamato before deciding yamato was town after you had pushed him most of the day? Also he was the primary push on him I believe in the thread at that point. On February 27 2015 03:28 Damdred wrote: It looks like in yoru filter you voted before you looked into yamato? Look at the questions you've asked me since your analysis. Compare them to the questions you've asked Artanis since your analysis. How can you honestly say that you're trying to figure me out with anywhere near the same rigor as you were in that game? | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:27 Damdred wrote: Udvdjdbgajdifbshsonfhddbsuisicf I've never done. vca as scum never ever ever ever ever ever Lynch all ljars ##vote eden Lyn,h all liars and lynch people that play like robik OK, so change "he does this as both alignments" to "he does this as town" or "he's capable of doing this as either alignment." The thrust of my argument is the same and you know this. | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:30 Damdred wrote: Lynch all liars, this just in damdred never scum read Eden first. Damdred never was proactive in this game. Lynch all liars, this in folks damdred never called out anything in the thread or tried to do anything. gsbsjdkspdmdnakdoaojfhdkakdl Lynch Eden What are you even doing right now? I am providing you with a detailed citation of your own play and inviting you to show me how the record points to you being town. This after you complained about me "playing like Robik" and not being willing to play like you want. Now I'm playing ball with you and giving you plenty of opportunity to have a civil discussion and this is the best you can come up with? Insulting my mistake in not pushing JAT harder, clear distortions of what I'm saying and incoherent babbling? | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote: Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game. Eden is shoveling shit on everyone. He has in just day two gone with as mafia: Palmar Rayn Me Ritoky Damdred LS That's over half the player list. He isn't trying to figure the game out just yelling whenever something comes up. I know he changes his reads often, but this game he doesn't change his reads he just drops them to pick them up later, there is a big difference. ##Vote: Eden1892 This guy is very likely mafia too fwiw. I am very clearly trying to figure the game out and I'm being incredibly detailed by my own standards in laying out my arguments. What was weird about my reaction to either claim? Be specific. Why don't you see Damdred as mafia? What's weak about my case on Damdred? Do you disagree that Damdred isn't trying to solve the game, and if so, why do you disagree? If you agree, why do you think that isn't alignment-indicative? Again, specifics. What reads did I drop to pick up later, and what is suspicious about doing so? | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote: Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game. Eden is shoveling shit on everyone. He has in just day two gone with as mafia: Palmar Rayn Me Ritoky Damdred LS That's over half the player list. He isn't trying to figure the game out just yelling whenever something comes up. I know he changes his reads often, but this game he doesn't change his reads he just drops them to pick them up later, there is a big difference. ##Vote: Eden1892 On March 13 2015 13:37 Onegu wrote: This is really close to my reads, I'd put Koshi higher and I am fairly sure marv is town. I could see Damdred being scum but meh. Boy bye | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:34 Onegu wrote: Ok I have skimmed everything. The way Eden reacted to Palmars claim was really weird. Then the way he reacted to LS making his blue claim was really weird. I also don't really see Damdred as scum here. His case on Damdred isn't very strong its basicly Damdred isnt solving the game. On March 13 2015 13:37 Onegu wrote: This is really close to my reads, I'd put Koshi higher and I am fairly sure marv is town. I could see Damdred being scum but meh. | ||
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There was a reason - the theory I had in mind at the time presumed someone was vet and got shot, and I didn't believe we had a vig so I voted Palmar. Then Koshi pointed out that if the vet was shot and we had no vig, rsoultin wouldn't be dead. I then unvoted Palmar because my assumption at the time (vet) required the assumption of a vig. I'm not sure how you're not sure how this works. LS said that he wanted to cc Palmar in the night. As I went on to explain, I believed that for him to do so he would have to be medic cc'ing Palmar (because Palmar didn't claim vig til d2). But then if that's true, LS would have had a problem with ray's medic claim. Hence I thought LS was making it up and mafia. I still don't understand the night actions but I'm not focusing on them until ray comes back. | ||
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On March 13 2015 13:48 ritoky wrote: Eden....if you are town this game, your reads are pretty lol. Onegu has claimed VT. Go look at his games, he does this as town (sometimes town PR too), if he is mafia he doesn't claim VT. Could he be mafia this game trading in his 1 time usage where he gets to pull off being scum, claiming VT and getting endlessly townread for it? Yes he possibly could. Is it likely? Absolutely not. Am I willing to take that risk? Yup. Onegu is VT, I am confirmed VT. Your damdred push is for stupid reasons. Focus on prp, marv, and palmar. I could be ok with killing Palmar maybe, I don't know what to do about the night actions yet though. I think prp and marv are town. And yeah, I know, he claimed VT. I know, he never does this as mafia. I understand that it's unlikely he would be cashing this in. But then wtf is he doing? His vote for me and reasoning is awful and he literally forgets his Damdred read in the next post. | ||
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On March 13 2015 14:05 ritoky wrote: is this the patented "what do you want from me?" lol why am i like the first person to put prp in a scum list? can sum1 explain how he is so enigmatic to me? Well he didn't move his vote so obviously he still thinks I'm scum for some reason. I answered everything he said so he needs to move off me or ask more questions. marv has a strong TR on prplhz, and prp has said a few good things when he's been around. i guess I could see it though. It'd go a long way toward sorting out the bullshit situation where somehow Onegu and Damdred are both town | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:42 marvellosity wrote: ^ if Eden is mafia then I don't know what to say. I guess I will be wrong a lot this game. Not because of this post I mean, but he has a pretty long filter (which he has picked up the pace of), he's got really angry at times, he's making fast-moving analysis. Yet lots of people kinda call Eden mafia at some stages today. I think Eden is somehow the designated mislynch. Anyway I join him. ##unvote ##Vote: Damdred ntbthtfbtpbm yessssss join me | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:57 Koshi wrote: Yes, Damdred did nk rsoultin who was the only other suspect during the other night. Because why share all the attention? killing rso made 0 sense for any mafia team though. damdred isn't special in that respect. and "only other" is a bit weaselly since everyone kept telling me damdred was town; he wouldn't have had any reason to be afraid of negative attention imo | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 13 2015 13:32 Eden1892 wrote: You haven't tried to figure out what I'm doing at all. Here is the comprehensive list of questions you've asked me since you started calling my play weird during n1 and before the post you just replied to: You are not trying to figure out what I'm doing. Don't even try to act like it. This is what you look like when you have someone you think is suspicious and you're trying to figure out what they're doing: Look at the questions you've asked me since your analysis. Compare them to the questions you've asked Artanis since your analysis. How can you honestly say that you're trying to figure me out with anywhere near the same rigor as you were in that game? | ||
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._. i'm not even talking about you saying something about student v i posted this exact example last night and you were just like "nah man don't see it" without any explanation | ||
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On March 13 2015 20:04 Koshi wrote: hmm yeah. He is more asking advice and values other people their opinion. While he looks angry at you. Might be atmosphere. sweet so could i maybe convince you t-- I will not vote Damdred ever. :| | ||
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ok awesome why did it seem like you mostly agreed with me that damdred's questioning this game is noticeably different / less effective / less existent than student vi but then say you never lynch damdred | ||
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On March 13 2015 21:08 marvellosity wrote: i was following the target, not the case. if you want me to specifically comment on something you'll have to linky me. why you votin damdred then | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:32 Damdred wrote: You are super town marv and i'm disappointed that you got drawn into this crap tastic semantics debate. I was quite enjoying reading your reads. Anyway I've realized for a good 36 hours i'm really biased and tunneled on Eden also by my own metrics that I enjoy using I should have Eden in the town category and I know this. But literally I am having difficulty playing this game with this Eden, I posted concerns that I had about him to a neutral party at that moment in time who was town reading Eden (aka marv). I never directed my suspicions at the person who was saying that Eden didn't look so good, If I was just going along with thread sentiment at that time I would of went with Koshi to rile him up some as mafia instead of asking Marv if he saw what I saw. And instead of looking at it and going ok Damdred has a point even if I disagree makes this large case that really is a lot of non-points that do not go along with my scum game and tunnel on me for a cycle and a half basically and it is quite disconcerting especially when people say that what he is pointing out is not alignment indicative for the most part. But Eden does have glaring flaws in his play this game that I pointed out earlier and I don't feel like listing again at this point because I know i'm biased from anger and can't be objective at this point about him. However by the way I play the game I should have him as town meh. I'll probably do another POE in a bit and put all of my reads into it and go from there more than likely. Look you keep saying stuff like this to other people but you STILL have yet to ask me about it directly. And you keep dismissing my case as non-points but you won't show me why. Like if it's that obvious then why is it that hard to show me? I get being annoyed at being accused, trust me, but I don't get how you at once say "it's a bunch of non-points" and then don't show how. Put yourself in my shoes, can you honestly say you would be ok with this response? | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:40 Koshi wrote: Hello Mafia If rayn isn't one of you and he has a role he is 100% certain veteran. I realize you guys know this. But it seems like rayn doesn't get it yet. So could you please reply to this message and tell me you heard me loud and clear. Heard it loud and clear | ||
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On March 14 2015 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden why did you vote for Palmar at the start of D2? If someone claimed to shoot your woman, what would you do? He is fortunate I'm allowing the justice system to run its course | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can someone with even half the brain join the thread? Yeah what's up? Now that we actually don't have vig, we should figure out why rsoultin died. And also... Palmar was your claim serious? | ||
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On March 14 2015 04:49 ritoky wrote: onegu is town he only claims VT as town, he doesn't do this as mafia. he claimed VT he is lock clear town. I'm tending to think this is still right. ritoky did you ever answer marv's thing about not having a reason to vote JAT? I missed it but I'm quick reading @ work | ||
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On March 14 2015 05:22 Damdred wrote: Meh he was the first to ping jat out, and he was relatively active d1 Yeah but he never talked to JAT much after that and was on ray the entire time, even though he said he was lurking at EOD (iirc, might have just been in the couple of hrs before). His comment was on-point but the lack of doing anything with it bugs me | ||
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I guess so since I know I would've. Man when you put it that way this sounds bad lol. But then why as town would you not do anything with it either? | ||
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On March 14 2015 05:58 prplhz wrote: can you put your theory in a way that makes it sound good? no cuz it's not good lol unless someone can think of something i'm missing that's a pretty good defense ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Palmar | ||
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On March 14 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote: Koshi am I crazy for thinking the way Rayn is acting is scummy Fwiw I don't think you are ))))))))) | ||
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On March 14 2015 09:55 ritoky wrote: The Grand Manifesto On Why Ritoky is Confirmed Town: 1) Trollzy play - ritoky is incapable of humor and trollzy play as mafia. recently he demonstrated some ability to do it as Serial Killer, but that is very different from mafia. Examples of ritoky being trollzy - cell mafia 2: ritoky spams the thread with american flags and propoganda for the first 50 pages. link titanic return of mspaint: ritoky literally does nothing the entire first and second day but antagonize people and general dickbaggery. link mafia down under 1: such troll, much wow link 2) The angry tunnel does not exist - The #1 mafia tell ritoky has as has been indicated by many players is that as mafia ritoky gets very angry when things don't go his way and he is prone to tunneling on a player and not interacting with the rest of the game. ritoky is also completely incapable of understanding jokes and flips out when people call him scum. in this game ritoky has pushed literal 0 people, never given a damn, and is content with getting lynched. clear town. Example of angry ritoky tunnels: Imperial mafia: 3) As mafia ritoky always has very clear lynch targets and tries to push them. This one is difficult to quote in a concise manner, you will have noticed it if you cared to do the research. Essentially, as mafia I like controlling the lynch, and I like influencing the direction of the game. Having not pushed a scum read this game, sorry cannot be mafia. 4) ritoky loves him some bussing. Not only does ritoky bus teammates hard, but he pushes back even harder. In this game, if ritoky were scum with JAT he would have bussed JAT HARD. He did not, cannot be scum. Examples: Down Under Mafia 2: ritoky tries hard to lynch Alakaslam day 1, after he magically survives, ritoky get's pissed off and calls for a vigi shot on teammate. Carol of the Bells: Holyflare randomly starts scum reading ritoky for no reason, ritoky turns on the bus train Imperial Mafia: ritoky's scum reads include robik (town), superbia (teammate), marv (teammate), damdred (teammate), sicklucker (town) ritoky didn't bus JAT and doesn't have firm enough scum reads to be bussing this game. Always busses as mafia, cannot be mafia. 5) The damdred factor - Damdred has a soul read on me. He subbed into a game where no one had suggested the idea I could be SK and called me SK 2 posts in. Damdred has called ritoky town, ritoky is town. Further ritoky always shoots damdred if ritoky is mafia. ALWAYS. 6) The VT claim - very simple mafia mechanics here, if you can't understand it I don't think you deserve to be playing right now. ritoky plays troll all day 1 phase, if ritoky is mafia in this situation and is faced with lynch pressure, ritoky claims PR and either outs a PR for a trade or buys a free day. Rather than do this, ritoky pre-emptively before the lynch pressure exists claims VT. This is a play that is literally the most inefficient and stupid thing ever as mafia. 7) Divergent reads - ritoky was mislynched a lot early on in his mafia career because he doesn't often give reads in a manner that coincides or agrees with the "vets" (really the circlejerk party). In the process of rolling 13 straight town games in his first 13 TL games, it became widely known that ritoky had divergent reads as town and sick day 1 reads that should be taken to the bank. A prime example is Hearthstone mafia. In games where ritoky is mafia his reads tend to not be very against the grain. 8) The last and simplest to understand point of how ritoky cannot be mafia: the notorious giant list post. Very commonly when ritoky is mafia he makes a giant list of every player in the game and gives reads on them. It is atrociously bad and easy to spot. And that my friends is how there is literally 0 way ritoky is ever mafia this game. tl;dr: 1) troll and jokes = town (filter examples) 2) angry tunnels when mafia, no angry tunnel this game 3) likes to have clear lynch targets as mafia, pushed 0 people this game = town 4) ritoky is #1 TL busser as mafia, did not bus JAT 5) damdred soul read, ritoky always shoots damdred ASAP 6) VT claim, would have claimed PR under pressure 7) ritoky reads counter to thread sentiment -> ritoky town 8) no giant read list post = ritoky town you now know how it is impossible for ritoky to be mafia this game. anyone who votes on me is confirming their own idiocy. I'm sold No really I buy this | ||
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On March 15 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote: Honestly before I get started Marv, you have been one of the people i'm most angry at this game I take time to write things out and then you just gloss over them ignore them or tell me no when I ask you to talk to me. Like I halfway hope you are scum this game just so that I have some excuse to say why you've been a dick but that's besides the point. To work I go BRUH | ||
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On March 15 2015 02:03 Damdred wrote: No I've literally told you why a lot of your points or bad or non points and you keep saying them and that i'm not talking about them. Everything you have done eden is built on OMGUS no you haven't... and no it isn't quote one example please | ||
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##VOTE: Palmar this guy isn't figuring the game out and hardclaimed cop with an inno on ray claiming to believe ray was godfather. like lol pls. and i think damdred is incorrect to say that palmar has been trolling a lot; he has been trollish to an extent but it's actually a lot less pervasive than i remember from his town games. i'm also not sure that him not pushing lynches super-hard indicates town, because he tends to lock in on a target VERY decisively as town (see Hammertime Mafia for a recent example). i'm not sure who the partner would be. marv comes to mind, i don't feel the same level of investment that i've come to expect from town!marv, but i also feel like his interaction with jat is uncharacteristic of his mafia game. i think everyone damdred townread before his final 4 is probably town, and mostly for the reasons damdred said, to boot my issue is that i like onegu AND ritoky for town :/ i'm not writing off damdred but he's not my lynch today. maybe another day will help sort this out? but palmar has to go imo | ||
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On March 15 2015 03:30 prplhz wrote: what do people think about ritoky budding so much with onegu? that seems weird for scum to do to each other. if they're mafia together it's kinda genius. one of those things where you'd look back and go "HOW THE FUCK DID WE ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN?!" i really doubt they're both mafia though | ||
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On March 15 2015 03:52 marvellosity wrote: I still like ritoky lynch for his Onegu read which just looks like wifom bait. would now lynch eden as #2. you're retarded stop tilting and start figuring out who's mafia | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:01 marvellosity wrote: no, i'm really not. i'm not tilted at all. i am deadly serious. then you're just retarded k i stand by my statement, if you seriously think i'm mafia then you clearly aren't very invested in finding the mafia | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:03 marvellosity wrote: that literally makes no sense. sure it is, i'm obvious town as you've correctly argued throughout the game now you "seriously want to lynch [me]" because i suggested my opinion that you aren't as invested as i'd like why am i supposed to think you're invested in finding mafia if you're going to flip like that for such a bad reason? | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:04 marvellosity wrote: i can't engage with someone who writes sentences like "marv doesn't seem as invested as i've come to expect" it means i'm engaging with the mind of a toddler. sorry. stop being a fucking donkey and tell me why palmar can't be mafia | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:06 marvellosity wrote: no, you are it takes a really special type of dumb to say i'm not as invested as you'd expect. that's a special level. quit tilting and start answering my question why isn't palmar mafia | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:22 Damdred wrote: The more eden posts the more posts like this give me an odd feeling... ._. i liked ritoky's big defense last night when i skimmed it on the way to friday night mafia, but y'all have a compelling point about his lack of willingness to kill people. i don't get what's weird about voting for someone you think logically is probably mafia but instinctively feel is townie when no one will kill your primary target | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:21 marvellosity wrote: Eden ^ I might add to this that Palmar had the same thought to me about ritoky's trolliness being too "tryhard". I had never actually said it in thread but he brought it up and I had been thinking it. I think prplhz mentioned something about his trolly blueclaims and stuff. I'm not sure what end he expected ccing rayn there other than kinda drawing attention to himself? The reason Palmar isn't clear town to me is that stuff I said about replicable meta. There exists a world where I think Palmar *could* replicate this play as mafia. I just don't think so. first of all, thank you secondly, i don't think reading ritoky's trolling as being forced when ritoky admitted in-thread that it was forced is particularly compelling evidence of town. if you think it's one of those mindmeld things then i get where you're coming from, but from the outside it's not doing much for me :/ agreed that i don't get what the point of his blueclaims were either, but i have repeatedly asked him if he's really the cop after he claimed it and he ignored me, so i am forced to take it at face value, in which case his claim is transparently bullshit imo are you sure you couldn't be convinced to lynch palmar first? | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:26 Palmar wrote: Fuck the tinfoil hat Marv is town. I actually think damdy looks bad at times. I will however join the ritoky wagon are you the fucking cop with a fucking green check on fucking ray i heard somewhere that saying fuck makes you look cool and gets people to talk to you so maybe this will do it | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:30 Damdred wrote: I wouldn't actually mind getting lynched honestly i'm not really having fun this game man pls don't say this, all of the fuck-you klaxons are sounding in my head and i'm trying really hard not to just lock on and fire away | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:31 marvellosity wrote: yes it's bullshit, but why?? what's the play? I am pretty convinced yes. Like I understand what you are saying, if we're going by gameplay reasons there is very little game-solving in Palmar's game. i don't know just trolling i guess. i'm inclined to throw it out altogether and ignore it because it makes no sense from either alignment | ||
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On March 15 2015 04:35 Damdred wrote: Meh, I make big posts people come in damdred looks bad in spots. Oh rsoul scum read damdred. Its what it is just don't care hopefully ritoky is the roleblocker though if that's what i think it is, congrats, i am never lynching you | ||
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y'see, I know I've probably destroyed the reputation of my instinct by now with all of my frequent movements when I'm town, but it really is pretty good most of the time. I just end up overthinking things and ignoring my instinct a lot so if ritoky flips town then I am dumb for once again doubting my good instincts and if he flips mafia then I am dumb for having bad instincts (even though I ultimately end up voting the right way, it is dumb that my instinct is so blatantly counterlogical) but it's good to be dumb, because that means I still have room to keep improving | ||
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On March 15 2015 05:13 Damdred wrote: Trying to be more intuitive without over analyzing everything perfectly, especially since more limited amount of time. Meh anyway I just don't know how to do it well enough nor have enough faith in some of the things I feel in my gut I suppose well now I am definitely never ever lynching Damdred lol I am terrible, I basically did to you what I complained about other people doing to me then :/ you should keep experimenting with this I think. always look for new avenues to improve as a player | ||
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my thought here is that, assuming ray is town, the mafia likely felt that getting jat to live for one more day wasn't going to be worth the hassle of being suspicious when he flips scum after d2. an inertia lynch on town!ray to save scum!jat would have looked terrible for the last-minute provocateurs, so they presumably decided not to save him. i'm not sure what else they would've decided to do instead though. "bus jat for credit" is the textbook answer but my first thought was actually "stand pat and see what happens" -- after all, it WAS a close vote for a while, maybe they figured they could just hang on and get the inertia lynch without making a move that would be suspicious later. hedging bets basically of course ray could be mafia. why do you have him as p. much 99.9% town damdred? obviously it's easy fmpov since i know that both of the other pushes that got a little momentum (me and ritoky) were town, but jat and his team not trying to save himself certainly could point to ray being mafia | ||
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On March 15 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: Eden, why did you back off Palmar so fast? I remember in student mafia wave was no where near top of the lynch list and you yelled your head off until you got what you wanted. Why so submissive and willing to take a back seat at this point only to say i'll get palmar tomorrow! Two things: (1) Thread activity level. When I finally got on to start posting there weren't many people online. I kinda figured it was too little too late. I pushed on Wave for something like 24 hours I think and we had an active enough EOD to get the switch I wanted. (2) I'm all too painfully aware that my persuasion currency isn't worth shit compared to Student VI. The old farts in that game didn't really care much of what I had to say but there were still half newbies and then a couple of new-guard vets like you willing to listen. Here I feel like no one really cares at all and that I'm not getting anywhere. (And no that's not a woe-is-me boohoo post like a lot of my other ones this game have been, that's just the stark reality of the situation.) Since I didn't have a compelling logical argument for why ritoky is town instead I just went with the logical lynch that seemed like it would go through instead of following my instinct and yelling loudly in a mostly-empty thread full of people who don't really care who my suspects are. Just look at my pushes this game and you can see why my mentality might be different: (1) You, d1 and d2. Literally everybody that bothered to comment on it called it bad without engaging my cases on a point-by-point level. I never got any traction whenever I tried. (2) ritoky d1. The only confirmed mafia in the game was the only one who bit on it. No one really said much at the time but in retrospect people are again calling it bad. Combine that with my meta decision from game start to try to be less spammy and loud, after being told that it was bad for town and hurting my team's ability to win the game (and being told IN Student VI, no less), and hopefully the picture is clear. But this kinda really sucks too, because now I'm just sitting here impotent and lamely following what I presume to be my team while we misfire. I don't know what I have to do to play the reserved analytical style I want to try and be successful here. I can do it all the time in my irl group, but that's because I'm pretty universally respected as the best townie there, so I have enough positive karma built up from a year or so of playing actively to get people to let me do my thing and just listen to me. I'm kinda out of my element when I can't just be like "this guy is mafia sheep me" and get somebody lynched. :/ | ||
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On March 15 2015 08:16 Damdred wrote: I have to think about what you said for a bit becuas ei have to pick my wife up. But didn't you have a logical reason that Ritoky is town? He himself detailed why hes town, probably his best post of the game? Do you think Rayn is mafia given that nobody tried to save JAT? marv made the point (which I thought was good) that ritoky kinda demonstrated too much awareness of his town game. I did think his post was good and I should have insisted on it being so, but I didn't. My bad. | ||
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On March 15 2015 09:24 Damdred wrote: Htm I need to look at prph closer. End of d1 he was obviously afking his vote on Rayn. If Rayn hadn't of faked he would of been lynched. What if Rayn was a fallback wagon with afk Scum prph waiting there for the shenanigans back? It kinda fits if the other wagons were town My thought process if ray is town is that the mafia were probably just afk/pseudo-afk on whatever wagons they were on - and prplhz is someone whose activity profile at the time fit the bill perfectly. But it's really hard to reconcile his early comment about jat with him being jat's teammate. afaik prplhz hasn't played enough games with jat to be able to have read his early townreads as indicative of anything, which means it's very unlikely that mafia!prplhz would have even thought to notice that in his partner, let alone go research it to confirm, let alone bring it up in essence just to bring it up. Like there's nothing that says it 100% couldn't have happened, but that's something I feel would be very unlikely to catch mafia!prplhz's attention in the first place. | ||
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On March 15 2015 09:34 Damdred wrote: Kochi, why were you ok to believe Jat was the medic? Like so ok you invited and element to Rayn I believe before Rayn fake claimed? Since your vet you should of known jats claim was fake instantly so why did you move  | ||
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On March 15 2015 10:36 Koshi wrote: I am still bugged out why rsoultin died. Damdred/Palmar also possible. Even though I read Damdred 101% town. I am just killing Palmar tomorrow. And so should everybody else. BRUH | ||
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On March 15 2015 11:28 Damdred wrote: Lol now Eden can try to lynch me nah we (finally) on the same page (i think?) now bro | ||
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On March 16 2015 00:05 Damdred wrote: Nope I just get called dumb and bad or what not all the time when I'm taking my time to go through game and throw questions at people. Whatever I jus don't need to play Mafia anymore say bruh I thought your observation about Koshi was good fuck the haters who ain't figured shit out and are just taking potshots man. but now you gotta tell me wtf that claim was rofl | ||
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On March 15 2015 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like fuck it whatever. Palmar is most likely town because he also claimed medic. I don't see a reason why either of us was hit unless Palmar is town. There were two medic claims, the correct play in this scenario for either me/Palmar is to protect the other claim. I do not see any other scenario than that mafia does believe one of us was in fact a medic but could not figure out which one (becuase shooting wrong will result in 2 mostly confirmed townies). Therefore Palmar has to be town. i thought his medic claim was pretty clearly not serious tbh and i'm not really sure how a missed shot results in confirmed townies when docs don't get notifs if you have palmar as town though who do you have as mafia? | ||
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On March 16 2015 00:12 Damdred wrote: Oh hey marv here's a fav of yours, sorry Rayn. No Lol come on man help me out at least. I been workin with you | ||
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i got work 11a-10p CDT :/ but i'll have a break from... probably 2-4. maybe earlier than 2. definitely ends at 4 imma make my "end of night" post then, try not to go apeshit and make my reads irrelevant in the last hour | ||
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i feel like i don't remember you reacting much to palmar claiming cop either... sorry man i'm having trouble with this claim. what did you think about palmar claiming cop when he did? | ||
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Palmar should be the lynch tomorrow 100%. He says he's bringing his game face tomorrow, I guarantee you he won't actually deliver this until we put him on the block. Tomorrow he goes on the block. I still have this nagging feeling about marv but he should not be the lynch until d4 as of now. Also have nagging feeling about ray. ray's attempts to go after me and Damdred related to blues is bleeding red to me because it looks pretty obvious that he's trying too hard to look like he isn't completely informed of the game state. If Palmar bleeds town then lynch ray Do not ever lynch the current blue claims, probably never lynch prplhz or Onegu. I hate Onegu's VT thing but I don't think he's cashing it in and retiring it here. prplhz just doesn't make sense as JAT's partner and he's been productive. TL;DR GL BOYS ILL TRY 2 KEEP UP @ WORK | ||
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"Now that we know JAT's strategy near the end of day 1 was to get a mislynch to save himself, why didn't JAT try to get his main counterwagon lynched?" | ||
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Tbh he probably shouldn't be there in the first place but I got a nagging feeling mon | ||
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On March 16 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's your question to ask, not mine. That would be me asking the question, what is your answer? On March 16 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe just kill eden, that is just so dumb... Mafia | ||
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Look at the roles we had in game. Dom/Bondage Expert (RB) Submissive (Vet) Unassuming Sibling (Miller) How can you have an unassuming sibling without a parent (Cop) on the loose??? The flavor makes too much sense for it not to be true | ||
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I'll ask again because I'm so enthralled Now that we know JAT tried to get a mislynch to save himself, why didn't he try to lynch his counterwagon, ray? | ||
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On March 16 2015 05:55 Palmar wrote: I like how eden explained only that I should be the lynch tomorrow, not why. It's cool ray is a better lynch anyway maybe But I already explained during night why you're a good lunch. Others are working harder to solve the game and you're doing zilch | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he couldn't? Who the fuck knows. I don't, do you? Yeah cuz you're mafia lol That's my answer anyway | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am thinking of putting Eden to "players never to play with again" list if he is town in this game. I'll miss you | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i am actually a veteran. Kill me then kill Koshi. you get mafia 100%. I am done posting. L o fucking l | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: where are you your lols now you fuckers? They never left...? This has been a frustrating game sure but you gotta tough it out and solve it if you are town. C'mon man. You call me soft then you wuss out like this? | ||
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On March 16 2015 06:24 Koshi wrote: rayn, if you aren't mafia. Marv and Palmar are. Ya basically | ||
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Sheep me!!!! ##VOTE: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On March 16 2015 08:47 Koshi wrote: the nk implicates fuck all. He was the RB. Ofc he had to die.... Bruh the n1 kill. The one that Palmar cited lol | ||
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On March 16 2015 09:20 Onegu wrote: Then what about the N1 kill implicates Rayn? Plus I already put the reasons I didn't like Eden when I voted him day 2. But I'm not interested in lynching him today anyway would lynch prplhz and palmar over him atm. Are you kidding? Un-cc'd doc isn't shot. We find out that mafia pushed an outlier wagon over aforesaid doc claim's much larger wagon. If you can't see why that's suspicious you are probably mafia tbh | ||
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On March 16 2015 10:30 Onegu wrote: Don't get it? Walk me through it. Isn't most of this wifom? Some wine is sweeter than others. Yeah it's "WIFOM" but I feel the chance of mafia looking at a doc claim and going "Yeah, let's NOT kill him" is pretty low. Then you look at how JAT pushed hard on ritoky and didn't want to lynch ray, and how ritoky is town, and it's really hard to reconcile this picture. Like they barely miss a chance to ML a doc claim and they just decide not to shoot? C'mon | ||
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On March 16 2015 11:17 Fecalfeast wrote: Oh I need reads already? I haven't been following very closely as of yet. I'm off work in 45 mins. I am a vt ![[image loading]](http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/what-the-fuck-man-240x180.jpg) | ||
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This game | ||
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I don't even know what that makes FF now. I had Damdred strong town so I should prolly stick with that | ||
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i don't even fault him. i don't realistically expect him to catch up on 4000 posts. (how the fuck did that happen? inb4 obs thread facepalms massively) but it's not even worth trying to read him on his play or expect him to have good reads because he's not going to be informed to any meaningful extent | ||
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On March 16 2015 17:26 prplhz wrote: what's this supposed to mean? (not like, explain your read, more like, why are you saying this and where are you going with it?) not sure yet, but i figure i should post it while i'm thinking about it | ||
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On March 16 2015 20:25 prplhz wrote: i don't know palmar is town because dumb trolling marv is town because huge filter rayn town because fake claim to lynch scum koshi because pushed jat onegu town because claimed vt those are very simplistic reasons but lets just close our eyes and assume they're all true. there are reasons these people could be mafia but my eyes are CLOSED right now. that leaves damdred/FF + eden. lol i just think damdred and eden look town but everybody looks town. ^^ poe'd himself + nightkill/night action comments feel like tmi + not doing much to solve game despite being in the weird spot where everyone is town to him = ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: prplhz i have no explanation for his jat read thing though | ||
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On March 16 2015 22:26 Koshi wrote: Just here to tell you I did not read the last 80 posts. And probably never will. my dude right here lol what do you think about prplhz | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:52 Koshi wrote: Well. I am willing to lynch Palmar -> Onegu -> prplhz/rayn and then lose the game. That order. I suffered from the same flow of thought as prplhz on Onegu his VT claim after ritoky flipped VT. I don't know why but before the flip I could see them both as mafia, and now after the flip I suddenly put faith in the Onegu VT claim. I don't know why. I just read Eden his bullshit "PoE" himself crap and don't want to post any further. The PoE himself argument is some of the most retarded reasons to call people mafia. I never ever put myself into listposts or PoE or w.e. Who the fuck does that? ? obviously he didn't say "well the final mafia is among me, x, y, z" what i mean is that he basically doesn't have any suspects and found reasons to townread everyone, which i find comes from mafia far more often than town (because it's more true of mafia than town; town aren't mafia so they know if they townread everyone it's a mistake) | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:56 Koshi wrote: Everybody agrees that in this game people look pretty town. yes, but we're still finding cause for suspicion on several people not named prplhz - Palmar, Onegu and ray prplhz is just like "yeh they're all town" and even acknowledges his reasons for townreading them are weak, but then excuses himself from digging further into them by saying he's "keeping his eyes closed" what is townie about this iyo? | ||
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On March 17 2015 01:59 marvellosity wrote: he said that he was wrong because he townread everyone. and then... crickets | ||
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On March 16 2015 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar is not mafia. On March 16 2015 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: PALMAR IS NOT MAFIA! and this? [QUOTE]On March 17 2015 02:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: [QUOTE]On March 17 2015 01:57 Koshi wrote: [QUOTE]On March 17 2015 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar has been one of the most productive guys on this day phase. We are not lynching Palmar at least at this point.[/QUOTE] If you want to pursue Palmar feel free to. [/QUOTE] because to me the only thing that changed is Palmar trying to play the game, which you acknowledged | ||
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i've played in games before where there were a bunch of relatively good people in the game, where town had to fight pretty hard for the successful lynches it got, and where everyone felt like everyone else was being townie and we just defaulted to lynching people who hadn't been putting forth as much work as everyone else. they invariably flipped town and we either lost or almost lost because of it - the game was hard to solve because someone was playing a really baller mafia game and we either couldn't find them or just barely could basically i'm not convinced a town with a bunch of tlmafia's biggest names would be so thoroughly bamboozled by somebody basically not playing. this isn't the magical unicorn game where all the people in the townie in-group are town and we just lynch the people outside of it and win i understand that just saying that isn't helpful which is why i'm trying to go through people that either i ignored/had as town (prplhz) or that i feel have suspicious circumstances surrounding them (ray being alive blablabla) | ||
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i am. if it's around you can link it to me right? | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote: I bring it up purely because you made sweeping game-state related reasoning in a prior game and it was totally wrong. My point is simply that inferences about who is mafia based on gamestate are at best very weak, and they've led you in the wrong direction before. i don't care? all of my heuristics have been wrong at some point before. that isn't going to stop me from continuing to use them if i think they're right enough to be worth using On March 17 2015 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: how the fuck would i know why i am alive? maybe because everyone and their mother is scumreading me. maybe because mafia didn't believe my claim. how am i supposed to know that? i didn't ask for you specifically to know. i asked you who said it and where, because you treated it like it was a solved question, when to my knowledge it isn't. and from what i remember you weren't actively considered a person of interest through d2, so "to get people to scumread ray" doesn't seem like the right answer. and to me, not believing your claim there feels like it'd be playing with fire for the mafia. if they're wrong they possibly get a shot blocked, and regardless they can't lynch you even if they're not afraid of your save On March 17 2015 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: maybe because it makes people like you make these stupid arguments. maybe because it gives you an opportunity to make these stupid arguments. i don't see what's stupid about this, nor why mafia would care to give me specifically an opportunity to argue it | ||
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On March 17 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden why do you read marvellosity town? i'm not really sure :o inb4 marv gets hella mad at me his filter length is pretty ridiculous even after Imperial. in Imperial marv had 44 pgs in 6 cycles. here he has 41 in just over 2. so that's something | ||
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On March 17 2015 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: With 213 pages into the game is it seriously that a large portion of your reads is abased on filter lengths and some weird narratives like VT claims? ...no? what do you mean lol | ||
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On March 17 2015 04:05 Fecalfeast wrote: So if you didn't claim the mindmeld, how is he supposed to know about it? I claimed it a while ago. It's one thing not to expect you to catch up on 200 pgs, it's another thing when you can't even be bothered to read the filters you claim you're reading. | ||
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Look up "literally" and get back to me, I neither literally nor figuratively said "a large portion of my reads are based on filter lengths and weird narratives." | ||
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Combine that with the fact that no one can explain why you lived through n1 given the d1 lynch circumstances and I think you're the best mafia pick right now. | ||
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On March 17 2015 04:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also you apparently scumread half of the game.... How is that even possible? How is it not? "Half the game" is four people, we have 2 mafia and 1 ML to give. Ideally everyone should have at least 3 lynches just from a lynch count standpoint alone. And besides, this game is hard. How do you not have four suspects? Especially when everyone else has 3, having one more is pretty reasonable. Just another example of terrible gotcha questions coming from scum POV. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote: I thought you said you mindmelded WITH prplhz earlier when reading your filter. Just now you said you don't have to claim a mindmeld which to me implies you've never mentioned it I said I did with marv ABOUT prplhz. It was specifically about the fact that prplhz correctly pinged out jat's early townreads and then voted for ray and left it there the whole time. And I didn't say I didn't have to claim it. I said that claiming it doesn't do shit for anybody else, which is true, because it doesn't. A mindmeld means a lot to the person(s) who experience(s) it, because it's typically (ime anyway) difficult for mafia to have the same thought about someone at the same time as a townie. But to an outsider who doesn't know either player's alignment, it doesn't really mean much. ray appears to pseudo-suspect me and marv so of course it does nothing for me to tell him that we mindmelded because two mafia can just make that up. | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have done that ONCE. Fucking once, when THERE WAS A REASON TO DO SO! i literally (hehe) cited two examples just now. the blues, and then this question here your questions look like gotcha questions designed to make their objects look bad instead of discerning questions designed to determine their objects' alignments | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what is you FULL reasoning for voting me Eden? Not a part of it. You are making me angry atm.. The three points I can really remember in no special order: (1) The n1 actions (2) Your questioning doesn't look like it's hunting for mafia but trying to make people look lynchable without regard for their alignment (3) I feel like when you're town, from what I've seen of you, you tend to be more forceful about finding mafia. You were so with JAT d1 which was part of why I townread you before JAT flipped. But I feel like you've dropped off since then and are more complacent, which kinda ties into (2) I gotta go for now but I can talk more ¬1/2 hr | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:09 Koshi wrote: I agree that the rsoultin kill was really odd in a world rayn claimed doc and got mafia lynched. Koshi got mafia lynched. marv probably wouldn't get docsaved cuz rayn and Koshi killed mafia. And then there is Palmar. Really. Kill Palmar. Onegu? Why? why palmar over ray | ||
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On March 17 2015 06:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) doesn't mean anything (2) explain, i have not questioned anyone much after D1 where i was completely lost when i did so. (3) i have pushed my reads. I really don't agree that (1) means nothing. And I'm sorry for that if you are town, because I understand completely that if you're town you can't really say much to this point. It's kinda like using POE to solve a game, it really sucks for whoever gets POE'd because there's just nothing to rebut. But it means something to me and I can't back down on it. On (2), the quantity of your questioning doesn't relate to the quality; my argument doesn't really concern itself with how frequently you have or haven't been questioning other people, it's concerned with how the questions are constructed and what they're driving at. You seem to always jump to the worst possible conclusions about the people you're questioning, or imply the worst possible conclusions if you don't state them outright. Damdred has to be a liar because he disagreed with your take on the LS situation, my arguments about the n1 actions have to come from knowing certain things about the setup that town don't know, etc. It just looks like you're trying to pin people down as having said suspicious things to get a lynch instead of trying to pin people's alignments down. With (3), I don't really remember you pushing them much after d1? You pushed JAT hard which was good, and you said Palmar isn't mafia pretty forcefully a couple times, but then after that I don't really remember it. Maybe I'm just forgetting it in the 4000 posts and counting in this game. Who are your current suspects? On March 17 2015 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: like this is is straight up BS because Eden townread me WAY before i EVER pushed JAT. I said "part of." It wasn't the only reason. See (2) in my preceding response, here you call what I say "straight up BS" instead of reading it carefully to try to discern my point. On March 17 2015 06:36 Palmar wrote: Note to self: never let Koshi lead towns, he's actively destructive when he tries to. I don't think that's particularly fair, your big post describing the evolution of your reads was pretty good and allayed some of my worries with you, but it only happened because he grilled you until you posted it. I think this kind of evaluation should probably wait until the results come in, no? @Eden, I saw somewhere from you a quote that mentioned you thought marv was treating JAT with something gloves? (what is the expression?) Do you feel this was a valid assessment of marv's day 1 regarding JAT? Kid gloves (or white gloves) -- the idea being that you're handling the object with such care as not even to leave smudges from your fingers behind. I felt like marv was really soft on JAT at various points - the one instance I remember in particular was him basically agreeing that JAT wasn't being productive at the time but that he'd give JAT time to get going, or something like that. Another time he basically said he should stop discussing JAT with someone who was suspicious of JAT and let JAT defend himself. The way I read that, it was uncharacteristically hedging (given that we now know JAT is mafia) for mafia marv. From what I recall, marv doesn't defend his teammates as mafia, he either tries to drive the lynch elsewhere without addressing the teammate at all or he tries to ride the wave and get on the lynch early. It seems like something that town marv would do when dealing with someone whose alignment he doesn't know, but not something that mafia marv would do when dealing with a teammate under fire. | ||
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I don't think marv is mafia. You can't point to his filter without context. This game is similar in raw activity levels to Imperial, and his posting rate here eclipses his Imperial posting rate by a substantial margin. I think how he treated JAT is pretty townie simply because I don't think it's mafia. We melded on prplhz, and I do feel like he's been trying to solve the game. Palmar also seems better. Koshi, FF still best townies. Onegu still probably town and just bait. prplhz/ray is where I'd look. I think ray is the better lynch, because prplhz still has that researching outside games thing going for him, and ray still has that incomprehensible n1 resolution going against him. Either is fine but I rather ray. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Funny Eden, i thought you read me town for this, no? Where did it change? You keep proving my point about reading for the worst possible intentions with every post you make. It's really weird. Yes, at the time I read you town for the strength of your conviction in your belief that Damdred was a liar, even though I disagreed that Damdred was a liar and felt you were way off-base there. As you have pervasively demonstrated yourself to lack the desire to interpret anything people say in good faith, however, I'm noticing a pattern of persistent distortion of what people say, and it seems to accompany you trying to scumread them. It now looks to me like you're trying to find reasons to have scumreads instead of trying to find alignments, which is suspicious. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't even want to write a response to this post. Please someone do it for me. I got one. "OK, you caught me, I'm mafia. My mafia team concedes immediately" | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Every-fucking-thing you say in this game contradicts whatever else you say. Everyhing is just a decoy to what you jsut said fucking five minutes before. You haven't even read my post where i clearly state i am unsure if you or prplhz is the last mafia wiht Onegu and i CLEARLY state my scumread on Onegu. I have been so fucking straightforward on who i read mafia int his game, like if you can't fuicking understand that you are just a fucking idiot or mafia. My thought process has been clear throughout the gmae and if you can't understand that... yeah see above. Fuck you you are just probably scum. I acknowledged that I probably missed it due to the size of the game and asked you to reiterate the list. You then promptly flip out on me like this and assume I'm mafia because ??? why not I guess. Even though missing one post out of literally thousands != scum you jump right to it. You are being absurdly unreasonable. | ||
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On March 17 2015 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah well you are commenting on this game like you are caught up while "missing" my post that takes like a half of the page before you started posting... very convenient... I'm not commenting like I'm anything. I'm posting my suspicions and answering questions. If I miss something I miss something. And here we go again. It's like you're allergic to charity. Why should I townread you ray? What am I missing that's supposed to be obvious? If you can't answer that then you can't possibly justify getting mad at me for suspecting you. What explanation am I supposed to buy into for the n1 actions that makes you town? | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like even if anyone comes into this game on this page: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?page=211 Read the posts. Does it look like there is "nothing new happening"? rofl. What are you even trying to say here? | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i fucking lynched mafia on D1. That's why you should read me town. I LYNCHED MAFIA ON D1. SOMEHOW YOU ARE UNABLE TO COMPUTE THIS SIMPLE FACT! you realize that him being your counterwagon thanks to Koshi's pushing puts a damper on this, right? you lynched mafia d1 when the alternative was getting lynched; pardon me if I don't think this clears you. then you suddenly didn't die at night despite being un-cc'd doc, and we found out by MLing ritoky that your counterwagon who flipped scum decided to push an outlier townie instead of you. the idea that you're also mafia is quite reasonable. | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all i was NOT un-cc'd doc. Second you can call me scum all you want but you are just making yourself look really fucking bad with this. I am not going to argue with you on this because you are either fucking terrible or scum. I refuse to talk with either. well, ok, Palmar's clearly-BS cc aside. granted that you weren't un-cc'd | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like what does that tell about you that you sucked that mafia's dick to sheep him into that town wagon? Eden? it tells me i got it wrong d1. oops, that's never happened before | ||
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On March 17 2015 08:30 Palmar wrote: I made a great point and everyone started arguing. Can someone acknowledge that my point is great? here. ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/592cf5f69b2749f6f0f3132066cf5106.png) | ||
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On March 17 2015 18:39 Palmar wrote: To follow up on this, I went to sleep last night feeling fairly confident rayn is town. I am going to summarize what I'm talking about here later today (I've got two meetings etc coming up, so I can't right now). So until further notice, rayn is off the lynch table, and my table looks like this: Do not lynch: Koshi FF rayn Maaybe lynch (but probably not) prplhz Wildcard bitches! marv Lynch: Onegu I need to read Eden, he's the one I have done little to none work on. @Eden I didn't notice you answering my question regarding your comment about marv/jat interaction from back on day 1. I answered it, search filter for "fingers" | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: Essentially my position has been the same all day. People I will lynch: 1. rayn 2. whoever rayn wants I am 100% sure this makes me mafia or awful, and anyone can shout at me and go HOW CAN YOU DO THAT OMG YOU ARE MAFIA (or so bad) OMG OMG. Lynch ray then | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:52 Koshi wrote: Eden. Let's do rayn or do you think marv is mafia? Onegu isn't, prplhz is being protected by both rayn and marv. Ray bro | ||
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On March 18 2015 01:58 Palmar wrote: I think I'm starting to get it. This is why people a) love lynching me, and b) almost always go through with it. I don't give up, I clarify, re-clarify and talk until people get mad from listening to me. I fight, I resist and I never give up throughout the entire process. No just combine that with entire TL Mafia being really into raping, and you get it. Everyone else has figured out it's best to play dead. Raping Palmar is still fun. Baw what are you sayin Vote ray | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:07 Koshi wrote: unvote vote: prplhz The only one I am willing to lynch today. Bruh. | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i don't know. prplhz could be mafia but i found him genuine today. yes, what you jsut said could make sense. i don't know. Onegu is fucking mafia. Eden is mafia, he has completely dropped off from the game with his vote on me for a REASON THAT DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. Like go read what FF wrote at the time. Oh then Eden just decides to drop off earth and never go back to that when he returns. Convenient much? Keep making shit up, I neither dropped off nor voted you earlier for no reason | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:01 marvellosity wrote: Koshi - i think lynching rayn is not correct right now, he was instrumental in lynching our d1 mafia. I think I found something on prplhz and I think it may be good. We can go for it maybe? His discrepancy on enjoying the game is not why he would be mafia. Lol I could vote prplhz but I'm blaming y'all if he flips town and we don't lynch ray and ray is mafia | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i am making shit up here. Obviously because apparently you vote for me for a reason you did say AFTER i made my post. Here: I don't get what you're trying to say here.... Explain like I'm five cuz sometimes I am five | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I ask you something. You answer (half-arsedly) I make an argument. You vote for me apparently because of my argument which is legit given you haven't given your full reasoning for marv being town for whatever reason in the first place. Sorry but none of what you're saying is what happened. I feel I've been very clear in explaining my reasoning for voting you. The fact that everyone else seems to get it validates this feeling. I don't really have the energy to correct your chronic misinterpretations of everything I'm doing. | ||
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On March 18 2015 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah and again why the fuck am i mafia? Can you finally make the case? I already have, several times. I'm on my phone and can't be bothered to argue with you about it. Go find it in my filter and if you can discuss it like a reasonable human being with basic reading comprehension then I'll give you the time of day. Until then I won't waste my time. | ||
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On March 18 2015 04:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So can you repost your reasoning then? Because your filter is full of calling everyone except Koshi mafia in this game. Not for you. I've posted it since the 20th pg of my filter, it's got 3 points clearly enumerated. Search "(1)" and you should find it. And I'm not saying that to be petty or spiteful. I'm just not wasting my time. Sorry. | ||
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##VOTE: prplhz | ||
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On March 18 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like you don't even treat me like you think i am mafia. It's pretty obvious from the posts before your vote. And about this: I'm big on charity in arguing in mafia. I fall short of my goal pretty often, to my shame, but I try to give people a fair shake. I can link you to several posts on a blog I follow discussing why this is important. So yes, ideally I'm treating you like you aren't necessarily guilty and giving you the opportunity to show it, because I'm confident enough in my arguments to let them stand up to the best defense you can bring. Is that wrong? Would you rather I badger you incessantly on the weakest things possible to break your willingness to argue, and then yell loudly til you get lynched? Or would you rather a fair chance to prove yourself? | ||
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But I doubt it. Or at least I'd have to reflect hard on marv's play before I pull the trigger on that, and I don't think I have time for that before deadline. prplhz needs to be the lynch today though as of now. | ||
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On March 18 2015 04:48 Palmar wrote: I am not going to lynch prplhz. I Want Marv or Onegu No way I lynch Onegu today. I also doubt I lynch marv. Why neither ray not prplhz? | ||
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On March 18 2015 04:55 Koshi wrote: Been a spineless fuck the entire game. Now wants to proof his worth. Doesn't bring anything to the table. gg. Lynch Palmar after prplhz w.e prplhz flips. rsoultin was right. I get to claim credit if she broke the game n1 right? I did coach her once | ||
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If prplhz is mafia I get credit for lynching him If prplhz is town I get credit vicariously thru rso | ||
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On March 18 2015 05:52 Fecalfeast wrote: so everyone is convinced eden is town? Yep now you have to read the game instead of picking a filter and scum reading it get wrecked Sucks I know. You are honestly a trooper for even trying | ||
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If this is why you're lynching someone 3 cycles in, you are mafia or having the worst town game of your life | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:04 marvellosity wrote: have you seen how difficult this game is? Yes. My main target today was a guy who was instrumental in lynching the only mafia we've caught. I know a thing or two about difficulties this game. But this is inexcusable even so. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: marvellosity | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote: Like I'm perfectly fine with taking whatever fall comes with me being wrong. And to be completely honest I kinda almost hope that prplhz gets lynched just because I really have one or two reservations about calling marv actually mafia. HOWEVER, I think it is far more likely that he's mafia than town here. He even admitted to be trying to piss me off when I have very little reason to think he should be annoyed with me in general (hell I gave him like 9 on the sex rating thing, so I thought we were friends )You're gonna get splinters on your balls riding the fence so hard. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:08 marvellosity wrote: Onegu/Eden final answer. "Apparently my read is bad" "The guy who said so loudest is mafia" | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:32 Koshi wrote: MARV IS NOT MAFIA SO MOVE THE FUCK AWAY FROM HIM YOU FUCKERS ARE ANTI TOWN Are you joking me right now? We are on day 3. It is the last day before MYLO. marv's best shot at a lynch was killing someone for saying he was enjoying the game at one point and being upset enough to self-vote at another point. That isn't alignment-indicative at all. That literally means nothing other than prplhz is a human being who experiences changes in emotion. That's what marv wanted us to do with MYLO looming. Lynch somebody for being human. This guy is so fucking mafia right now. There's no way town marv is this stumped AND defaults to that as a lynch. If that's the best he has three days in, where has he been this game?????? I understand the game is hard, but that read is still too bad to come from town marv. And we have, what, five motherfuckers in this game right now that aren't going to punish him for it? raynpelikoneet, Koshi, prplhz, Onegu, Fecalfeast, you guys have to move to marv now. We cannot let this pass. You have to know he can't be town with a read like this. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:41 Palmar wrote: Why is Eden checking out of this shitshow! I thought this would be right up his alley I got a haircut and got home, I'm here now. Lynch marv. | ||
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No. Today. Now. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:43 prplhz wrote: so it's a townseal? you are relentlessly pushing a townseal? argument is irrelevant lynch marv | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:43 Palmar wrote: What are your other actual reads Eden? you, Koshi, FF town. Onegu I still feel like is town. I thought it'd be ray and prplhz before marv seriously tried to push prplhz on this. Idk what to make of them in light of marv being mafia, I figure I'll figure that out in about 20 minutes lynch marv | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:45 marvellosity wrote: Eden, can you be town with a read like "marv is not invested this game" ??? that is 10000000000000000x worse than what i said about prplhz. That's not what I said. Your read is too bad to be town marv. Indirectly it implies a lack of investment I guess but my main reason by far is that you're pushing garbage with MYLO looming instead of trying to solve the game. And lol now you're willing to flip on a dime on someone you know is town. Pls. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:45 Fecalfeast wrote: Eden is mafia and prplhz is probably not mafia but I'm not sure im scumming onegu at all You have to be kidding me right now | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: it's not too bad at all. how was it even that unreasonable? it's a clear emotional dichotomy and disconnect. fuck off. you're scum This has to be a joke. It's not disconnected at all. People's emotions change over the course of a long and exhausting game. This is awful that you're even trying to push it | ||
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Someone explain why I would give a shit at all about lynching marv over prplhz or Onegu if I am mafia. Even if one is my partner I just yell to get the other killed in lieu of marv. Ezpz. Y'all dumb as hell voting for me right now. Lynch marv. | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:49 Palmar wrote: It's ok marv can never ever ever go back on his townread on me now. So I can kill him in lylo if it comes to it No it's not! I've never been mislynched ever on TL. Get the FUCK OFF ME | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:49 marvellosity wrote: like maybe what i said about prplhz doesn't definitely make him mafia but it's not some fucking shit read. it's a valid point. the fact you are pushnig it as something so shit is unbelievably scummy Bullshit. It's not valid at all. People change over the course of a game, even as extreme as "fuck this I'm out" to "I'm enjoying the game now." I've done it more than once. Which btw you TOWNREAD ME FOR | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:50 Palmar wrote: hahahahhaa Do you seriously think that makes me want to lynch you less? Don't be a fucking douche get off me I'm town SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY I CARE TO COME BACK AND PUSH MARV AT ALL IF I'M MAFIA. I JUST LET WHICHEVER OF ONEGU OR PRPLHZ ISN'T MY PARTNER GET LYNCHED OR BUS THEM Y'ALL ARE FUCKING IDIOTS GET OFF ME | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:51 marvellosity wrote: self-voting is something else. it is valid. and you suddenly switching it on me like it makes me scum is horrific. NO IT'S NOT SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S THE SAME DAMN THING. IT'S NOT HORRIFIC AT ALL, YOU AREN'T TRYING FOR SHIT TO FIND MAFIA. YOU ARE LITERALLY GOING INTO MYLO AND LYNCHING ME ON OMGUS | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:51 marvellosity wrote: EXPLAIN WHY I EVEN BOTHER PUSHNIG PRPLHZ IN THAT POSITION You were getting on a wagon gaining steam, duh. Had to justify it | ||
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25 PAGE FILTER. CAME BACK TO PUSH SOMEONE AT EOD WHEN I COULD LYNCH EITHER WAGON THAT ISN'T MY PARTNER OR BUS. I AM NOT MAFIA, GET OFF ME NOW | ||
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GET. THE. FUCK. OFF. ME. NOW | ||
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GET OFF MY WAGON | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Holy shit that was too easy YEAH NO SHIT I'M NOT MAFIA | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:54 marvellosity wrote: 50 PAGE FILTER SO WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR ME YOU ONLY HAVE HALF THE TOWNINESS LOL You have had long filters as mafia before I never have Big difference | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:54 Koshi wrote: Your fucking fault to come back and be a fucking moron. That's why you are now lynched. For being a moron. Either alignment. What the FUCK was moronic about this? If marv is mafia why the fuck do you ever wait? Nothing moronic about this. I am town, y'all fucking know this, get off me | ||
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I hope you're modkilled tbf But if you're not then marv | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:55 marvellosity wrote: i explained earlier you are posting at a LOWER RATE this game than one of your mafia games ia m posting at DOUBLE THE RATE of my postiest mafia game so why are you voting the 50 filter guy??? Horrible analysis, you found the highest-volume mafia game. Compare to average and correct for activity level of game | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: What is the votecount? 4 on me 1 on like everyone else ray I'm not fucking mafia I would never come back and try to push marv like that | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:56 marvellosity wrote: but it shows you are capable of that rate i post at over double the rate so??????? You didn't correct for activity level | ||
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Y'all really gonna make me lynch a townread to save myself?? | ||
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Pile on obvious townie then wagon his townread Jesus fuck why even play this game | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:58 prplhz wrote: no you can vote yourself now and still it's onegu who dies Lol | ||
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On March 18 2015 06:59 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marv .________________________________. Whatever I'll take it | ||
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Lemme go look at his voting record | ||
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Meant d2 | ||
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I know that's what I did for all of about 5 seconds before I started laughing | ||
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kinda think prplhz still town. Onegu on him d2 but I gotta figure out why before I confirm/reject this. Koshi still v. town. marv... no, I'm not ready to say it yet. Nope. Not saying it. Palmar might be mafia? Ya that EOD kinda points to Palmar. | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Doesn't matter Eden is mafia. You can't be serious with this shit rn | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:09 prplhz wrote: does look kind of bad for eden How? | ||
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Don't you dare cop out with this shit You keep playing | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: you can't be serious with this shit you both defended or refused to vote for each other. ... Onegu VOTED FOR ME IF YOU THINK I'M MAFIA WHY DID YOU SWITCH OFF ME? | ||
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Then switches to someone who flips mafia at EOD Then goes back and still suspects me??? | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: are you just fucking dumb or something? I don't get what the fuck you're doing at all so yeah pardon me if I can't make sense of it | ||
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My partner who was on everybody's POE lynch list except mine While I was the one being townread by most everyone LOL if you think I'm ever this bad at mafia. I'm not especially good scumsided but that's fucking retarded | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would expect not to if mafia has to get two mislynches and there was one on a plate. Who marv? Lol I never got any votes on it prplhz? The guy I SWITCHED OFF OF WHEN PEOPLE WANTED TO KILL HIM? Think for 2 seconds about what you're saying. If I'm mafia trying to get an easy mislynch into MYLO then WHY THE HELL DO I GO FOR TOWN MARV???? | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: Tbh, maybe it's ok to rethink and just go back to the lynch marv in lylo strategy. we're gonna be what 5v1 tomorrow? What about the "Actually try to solve the game" strategy Is that one still in your playbook because that would be great right now over the "Lazily default to XYZ" strategy | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:26 prplhz wrote: did this game get any easier? a little, at least for me it's kinda hard having to go back and assume onegu is mafia when i was sold on him being bait... but it helps a lot to know there's only one mafia out of the rest of you instead of 2 | ||
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On March 18 2015 07:28 marvellosity wrote: i feel much less bad about lynching ritoky now, whose only read was "onegu is confirmed town" Lmao | ||
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That is, lower filters in a game are more likely to be scum. Not "X has a lower filter than usual" but "X has the smallest filter in the game right now" | ||
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I feel like with the exception of FF, everyone else has been really involved in the game at varying points, and everyone else is pretty involved now. And FF I'm inclined to give a pass for a day given how townie Damdred seemed to me and how far behind he was when he started | ||
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On March 18 2015 08:16 marvellosity wrote: well, i mean it's not a pass "for a day", it's basically a pass for the game, is what i was getting at yes i understand lol i was just talking about the heuristic without thinking about in-game implications the main conclusion from it is "lynch prplhz" but i'll have to see if it stands up with jat's/onegu's behavior toward prplhz | ||
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prplhz is town, onegu would have had to bus prplhz basically the whole time he was actually putting forth effort to play | ||
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On March 13 2015 19:33 Onegu wrote: WTF are you doing. Vote me if you want to kill town Koshi at least marv will figure the game out... this is a bit weird now that onegu flipped scum but it probably means nothing. anybody care to take a crack at it to see if it means anything? i feel like this might be significant but i have literally 0 clue why | ||
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mafia never do that, god bless im confirmed town | ||
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ray is 100% town fecalfeast 100% town prplhz 100% town me 100% town just leaves palmar marv and koshi. koshi loudly yelled not to lynch me (but that onegu was town oopzzzzz (i know that feel bro)), marv sheeped FF onto the godfather when he could have lynched me, palmar tried to lynch me and then moved on marv last second for fun palmar probably the last mafia | ||
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On March 14 2015 20:58 Onegu wrote: All righty then! Thoughts on palmar? I can basicly never read him. As far as I can tell he "trolls" as both alignments. On March 15 2015 09:59 Onegu wrote: I'm VT! Plus I am playing. Convince me on Palmar, as I am currently hardcore on prplhz. That being said I can never read palmar and he is squarely in the null pile for me. On March 15 2015 10:48 Onegu wrote: Yeah I'm fine with this, would prefer a prplhz lynch but yeah. I can never get a good read on Palmar in any game. On March 16 2015 09:32 Onegu wrote: I have the blue claims as town Rayn and Marv as town Leaves Eden Palmar Prplhz Prplhz is my biggest scum read. Eden looks townie but something is just off to me. And palmar I can never read. Onegu's only 4 posts where he offers any explanation of his read on Palmar. Cliffs: - He can't read Palmar - He can't read Palmar, he asks someone he constantly scumread to convince him that Palmar is mafia - He can't read Palmar - He can't read Palmar Somehow though he never actually finds the time to have a conversation with anyone about Palmar's alignment Somehow though of the 3 people he wants to lynch he always finds time to want to lynch the 2 that aren't Palmar | ||
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On March 10 2015 17:24 justanothertownie wrote: roflroflrofl This game hasn't become more interesting since yesterday. At least I like rsoultin, Eden and Palmar so far. And another person I am not telling. huehuehue Would policy lynch ritoky for keeping an mediocre joke alive for ages. Would also policy lynch slam (unfortunately not that easy). hey remember when we said maybe jat had one scum in his townreads? hue On March 17 2015 21:02 Palmar wrote: I believe Onegu is mafia + Show Spoiler [vote_counts_since_this_quote] + On March 18 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/061pSb5.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Qf1FYvm.png) On March 18 2015 05:59 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/J0rvgcb.png) On March 18 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nN0wl6j.png) On March 18 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WB0Ckvy.png) On March 18 2015 06:45 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (1): raynpelikoneet prplhz (4): Onegu, Koshi, marvellosity, FecalFeast Marvellosity (2): Palmar, Eden1892 Koshi (1): prplhz Currently prplhz is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (2): FecalFeast, prplhz prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (4): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:56 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (2): FecalFeast, prplhz prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (4): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:58 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (4): FecalFeast, prplhz, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (2): Onegu, Palmar Currently Onegu is set to be lynched! For clarification, any vote at :00 will not count. [/SPOILER] ayy lmao | ||
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point is lynch Palmar tomorrow | ||
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On March 18 2015 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean, other people at least seem to be trying to figure out what is right and what is wrong, Eden is just saying what is right or wrong and never trying to figure out anything. What the hell? Yes I am trying to figure out what's right and wrong. | ||
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On March 18 2015 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there are some things i find really townie in Palmar's play: - I liked his vote on Eden at the start of D2, because i think that is one of the reasons Eden is mafia (the extra information thing). However he doesn't pursue it. Why? Like he clearly thinks that was the case, why does he drop it? - I also liked when he tried to make you work with him on D3. I found that out to come as natural and reasonable. But again, when people actually start doing shit (mainly when prplhz comes back to the thread) he goes back to just saying "marv is scum" or whatever dumb stuff that doesn't really help. This has literally never been even halfway right God I hope you're nightkilled cuz you're confirmation biased on me beyond helping | ||
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On March 18 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i said before Eden really reminds me of myself a couple years ago. And i know this type of play, if you are town you'd rather lynch yourself over someone you think is town just to show people they are bad regardless of if you are right or wrong. Like all the elements are there. But the final stance is missing. HELL to the no. I have never ever been mislynched. I will never ever be mislynched. I know I am town, so if it's between me and a town read I'm going to vote the town read because (a) I can be wrong on a town read whereas I can never be wrong about myself, and (b) I am never going to contribute to my own mislynch. Pretty much the only exception is if I just get hella mad for some dumb reason and basically quit the game but it's never happened and I don't think it will | ||
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don't think he evfer explains why prplhz seems "productive", especially more productive than he was in Titanic. Elaboration would be nice. The answer is not "because he questioned my vote on JAT" because that post was obviously questionable. I don't remember now exactly what made me say it at the time. I want to say he had been looking at outside games by this point and making points based on them, but I don't remember if he actually had been or not. My comparison to Titanic was also based on a really limited recollection since I spent basically 0 time on that game. There isn't any way I can answer this at this point that I couldn't also do as mafia, but if you're particularly curious I can go back and look at what he was saying to try to remember what gave me that recollection. Meh, Eden actually tried real hard to get ritokyl lynched with his scumread JAT. I don't really how he goes from JAT being his top scumread to ritoky on D1. Because of something JAT said? There should be quite much natural resistance against when your top scumread makes a case on someone upon being lynched. Unless the case is really good, which clearly was not the point here as the case was "ritoky is not playing". I don't think that is a good enough case to trust in Eden's situation here, as itis an obvious case to make for mafia!JAT. Probably not. I am notoriously easy to distract with other cases, especially ones directed at people who aren't trying hard. It's a big weakness of mine and why I was adamant on not engaging JAT in the first place until he had invalidated what had made my initial read on him correct. I also do not understand how Eden goes from "ritoky is the best lynch, if not D1 i am lynching him D2" into "I'm not bragging on JAT cause I wavered but I am totally pushing my credit for Damdred if he flips scum. We should sheep my case on him tomorrow" into -> "Damdred is my best pick. After that it's probably Onegu. That's all I got right now". ... Like i know ritoky was town and all that shit but this is just not natural. Because either Eden (from town perspective) didn't give a fuck if he lynches a townie or mafia on D1 if he thinks exactly one of JAT/ritoky is scum, or he thought both of them are scum, which makes this even more scummy. Yeah it is natural. It's not reasonable or good but if you were to go back and look at any towngame of mine, this happens all the time. It's part of what's so disappointing and frustrating about this game, I've played with so many players in this game several times but for some reason the same thing I always do is getting scumread when it's normally just auto-townread. It's like people just woke up one day and it dawned on them that my reads and votes move like they're scattered on the wind or something. I definitely care about lynching mafia but I'm really easy to dissuade off of me. Look at Horn of Africa if you have time, I caught rsoultin in a scumslip d1 and caught her for her tone and then let myself be talked away from it until after I died. It's really frustrating because when I'm on, I feel like I'm as good at this game as any of the best players, but I'm never on consistently enough to actually make the leap into that status. Furthermore in his reads list on N1 he gives all the reasons for ritoky to be mafia in this instance, and ends up in a conclusion "ritoky is town"?!?!?! I'm not entirely sure if that's the case, but even if it is, go check early in my filter in Imperial Mafia (don't worry it's a short filter and probs on 1st pg) where I did literally the exact same thing with DrHelvetica (who was also town). It is also nothing I can't do as mafia, but there's prior precedent for me doing it as town that should be relevant here. I don't know if i am reading too much into this and it bothers me because i KNOW i have been right on this kinda stuff before. But everyone seems to be disagreeing with me as "rsoultin was Eden's top town read yadda yadda" whatever he gave as an explanation. I just do not see why he would make that post, ever, as town. I'm really still not sure what you mean here. The only original angle I can think of on this is that you think I believed Palmar shooting rsoultin too easily because I'm mafia and knew we didn't kill her... but then you have to know that without a vig in the game this can't be the case, right? All the other stuff around the blues that I said d2 was already debunked as scum and I don't feel like revisiting it unless that's what you mean to talk about. I don't even know why?? He never explains why Damdred is no more mafia. He never explains why Onegu is no more mafia, he just "doesn't even care about Onegu" anymore. Maybe it's the dumb VT claim, which, again, has been there for fucking ages. Well okay, he explains them later. So Damdred did this AtE thing and Onegu claimed VT. rofl. Those things are really easy to do as mafia, rage, or write some words. Fuck i don't know, maybe Eden iss town after all it seems consistent with his line of thinking during the game regarding other things.... I don't think I could flip out like that as mafia unless it's directly about being lynched. I can't fake anger. Nothing else about it is anything I couldn't do as mafia, yes. I wouldn't chalk Damdred's thing up to just an appeal to emotion though. Maybe that's all it is for you but the thing about different playstyles really rang true to me because I tried to do that d1 as well. And yeah the Onegu thing is retarded in hindsight, my b. I'm glad he broke that forever because it pissed me off that he had that in his pocket at all. For reference, this was around the time I last met with my irl mafia group, where there's an infestation of people pseudo-claiming town at game start with stuff like making clear their positive reactions to receiving their card... hell there was a guy who had a townseal where he fucking stood up. It's fucking stupid, but the thing is that the EV of breaking it in the long run is almost certainly lower than the EV of not breaking it, so it is rational to accept it at face value, as fucking stupid as it is. So I was pretty unreasonably willing to believe the VT thing and also unreasonably mad that it happened. I feel like I said something like this before? Don't care to find it lol idk, someone help me out here? I really don't know what to think of this. This kinda reminds me of myself when i started playing mafia but way worse. It seems like Eden does shit for no reason and changes his mind for no reason. I know he is a hardcore busser. So he probably has balls to say whatever shit he evercomes up with as mafia. I don't care about meta here, i want to understand why Eden does these things if he is town because i refuse just believe someone is incapable of doing irrational things as mafia.... It isn't for no reason, but yes, I move really quickly. There's always some kind of purpose to it, it's just not always good. I do this because I'm sensitive to stagnant states, both in a game of mafia and in my regular life. You know how most people are afraid of change? I'm afraid of not-change. It's a big thing for me. Stagnation is depressing and makes me feel like I'm trapped or stuck in something and can't get out. I hate routines. I never take the same path home from work that I took going to work and it's not at all uncommon for me to add hours to my commute home just going to some place I saw on the way and hanging out there. So how's that relate to mafia? Well, as mafia, I never get invested in games. I try but it just doesn't happen. There's no mystery to solve and I get no enjoyment out of deceiving and manipulating people, so it's just waiting around to get lynched. I know how to do it, but I can never find the motivation. And for my town game, the good side about it (ideally) is that I'm never going to lose because I got tunneled into the same vision of the game state. Those stagnant games where people just afk lynch whoever every turn don't happen when I play. The bad thing (as you're seeing) is that I move around way too much. I tried to be disciplined about it this game but just got scumread for it, so I felt like I had to go back to my more unfettered playing style just to get anything done (which also hasn't been successful). So can we please stop scumreading Eden for literally the same shit he has always done every town game forever? I don't even know how to answer some of these charges because it's like "Well ok, I get that, but I do this all the time as town! 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On March 18 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote: Eden, was there a reason you read Damdred town beyond the whiny thing he did? Well there was one other thing, but I guess since FF nipped it in the bud I can say it now. He softed a PR at one point. Look in his filter for where he mentions a roleblocker, I responded to it but quickly realized I was being dumb for calling any attention to it. That's about when I started being loud about his change, because it was something that (a) convinced ME and (b) I figured people would listen to and not notice that I had accidentally-maybe-kinda outed him as a PR. | ||
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Palmar I don't think you said anything about my research in the night. It implicates you pretty strongly in my mind. What do you have to say about it? Also marv just cuz Onegu is a busser doesn't mean he always busses. I will need to look at his past games but I've seen Onegu be mafia once or twice before. I don't remember him bussing a partner the whole time and not ever doing anything else. | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: My post you answered already. I don't buy it. Your answer to me reads like "i don't do these things as scum, only as town" which does not really say why you did those things in this game. Also who is mafia and why? Palmar for all the stuff I said in a row last night Rest to come when I'm home soon | ||
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On March 19 2015 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: My post you answered already. I don't buy it. Your answer to me reads like "i don't do these things as scum, only as town" which does not really say why you did those things in this game. Also who is mafia and why? Ok back to this. What specifically? Obviously you feel I didn't answer satisfactorily but I feel like I did, so this is probably just going to lead to me repeating the same unsatisfying answers thinking they're satisfactory. What specific instances of things I did do you want explained? @marv, I didn't think I was going to get my lynch and defaulted back to someone who I instinctively felt was town but logically thought was probably mafia. I couldn't think of any compelling response to the observation that he only seemed to have a couple of townreads and no suspects, so I figured my instinct was wrong. It wasn't. That post where I said "watch him flip town" or whatever was me expressing frustration with the fact that I couldn't verbalize why I felt he was town. I guess I can see why an outside observer would think that sequence is weird, but don't tell me you've never been in a situation where you felt something was true but couldn't explain it, because everybody deals with that all the time in-game and in life in general | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure where you (or marv) are getting with this but: Onegu bussed (similar to JAT in this game on D1) batsnacks quite hardcore in his last mafia game. marv is arguing Onegu busses hard and thus that I shouldn't just assume prplhz is town. I need to look at his previous games and see for myself, I guess. It just seems counterintuitive that someone would bus as hard as Onegu did unnecessarily. As a counterexample, you consider me a pretty hard busser too, but I try to bus only out of necessity. I think bussing is fundamentally suboptimal and bad mafia play. You just saw me go balls to the wall with it because (a) early on both of my partners were in everyone's very short POE list and (b) later on I was the lynch and I wanted to distance after I was caught. Both of those situations are shit for mafia. I don't think I have any mafia games here where I've been in a good situation (in part because of motivation issues I cited earlier), so I don't really have counterexamples unfortunately. All that to say that I thought prplhz is unlikely to be mafia because it seems weird to me that Onegu would bus so (in my mind) suboptimally so unnecessarily. But again, I need to go look at Onegu's other games to verify I guess, because I wasn't aware that he had that much of a rep. (And yeah, I know, people have been saying it in-thread, I just didn't register the magnitude of it I suppose.) | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden: - why do you give reasons for ritoky to be mafia with JAT then read him town? - why did you want to lynch ritoky on D1 with your scumread JAT? - why do you instantly vote for Palmar for his claim on D2? - On D2 you HC scumread Damdred and Onegu, then you go to Palmar + marv being mafia. Why? - also what marv asked you In order:
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On March 19 2015 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: but i want to talk about this. why was i mafia at some point if this is what you think? N1 actions were weird enough to make me believe something weird was going on. Your point is good though. | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:38 Eden1892 wrote: N1 actions were weird enough to make me believe something weird was going on. Your point is good though. (which is to say I have no good answer for not thinking of this earlier :/ sorry) | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: well you're not going to be nightkilled so step up then. now gimme a sec to answer your post before. Trying. I might be laggy in replying, tbh I feel like a lot of my responses are gonna boil down to "Sorry I suck this game" and that hurts my ego so I'm doing VCA instead | ||
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On March 19 2015 04:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: (1) well you did. you should probably read your own post about it again if you feel like you didn't and explain it. (2) ehhh... i don't think this is a good reason. like you are basically saying you didn't care to lynch the person who is most likely to be mafia on D1.. (3) Yeah ofc you don't. I don't care about it. I care about the fact your initial response seemed like you knew Palmar is lying which you cannot know unless you know Palmar is lying which again, you cannot know unless you are mafia and killed rsoultin. Like i don't see why a townie makes this joke. (4) you did: after this you go to: and after this you go to something else.... (5) ok (1) I don't get where I'm supposed to explain more here. I addressed the possibility that JAT could have bused but then concluded based on the other half of my argument that ritoky was more likely to be town anyway. I don't feel this is inconsistent or needs further explanation. I cited what I thought all of the relevant arguments were, evaluated them and concluded ritoky was town. What exactly is incorrect or needs further explanation here? It's not like I said "XYZ reasons ritoky is mafia, so JAT could have bused. But he's town" without any further explanation. I said that I didn't think it could be a bus due to the lack of mutual busing, so ritoky is town. (2) It isn't that. I didn't know which one was more likely to be mafia. They both seemed like good candidates at the time. Without knowing the probability of success, I chose the less bad failure mode. If I'd been able to conclude that JAT was significantly more likely to be mafia than ritoky, I'd have voted JAT. I just incorrectly concluded that the difference between them was insignificant and voted based on minimizing loss if I were wrong. (3) The joke isn't that he lied you goofball It's that he shot rso who I really enjoy playing with and townread this game. I was really happy that we finally rolled town together and then she gets shot n1 and Palmar claimed it, so I jokingly voted him for it cuz he destroyed the Eden/rso town dream team.(4) Oh yeah that. I got mad because no one was listening to me and went back to the first lynch no one was listening to me about. This is a common theme this game. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: did you ever read my/marv exchange about that very post about ritoky? Skimmed while driving lol | ||
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Either way, what should I be looking for to comment on | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: well he is not mafia anyways so why do you care? I wanna know where he's at right now. Given how sure he was that Onegu flipped town, I figured he would be active today trying to process the new information like I've had to be. | ||
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justanothertownie (7): Koshi, raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, rsoultin, Onegu, Palmar, Damdred raynpelikoneet (1): prplhz marvellosity (1): ritoky ritoky (1): justanothertownie Damdred (1): Eden1892 Not Voting (1): marvellosity Currently justanothertownie is set to be lynched. First thing is outliers. That's prplhz, marv and me. It is a little weird that marv ended up on the doc claim that was opposite of the guy he was scumreading all of d1. marv, why did you end up siding with ray over JAT at the end of d1? But what's more weird is prplhz. This is why he voted ray in the first place: On March 10 2015 21:05 prplhz wrote: if rso and marv say it then lets roll with it ##Vote raynpelikoneet And yet at EOD where are they? rso is on JAT. marv is off ray and thinking about it, then decides to kill JAT. prplhz is... still voting ray lol prplhz what happened there? If you were sheeping rso and marv on ray then why did you stay on ray after they both left for his counterwagon? I understand that as you said you "were around but busy and not understanding what's going on so just lurking," but I feel like it's more than a little weird that even after both your sheep reads moved off of ray you didn't actually make any decision to change. Why didn't you follow your town reads? Next, I don't really think Koshi and ray need to explain their vote on JAT. They are pretty townie for it. (Obvious I know but I gotta be complete dammit) Palmar tho. He votes JAT cuz he claims he sheeps people who care, which actually sounds hella legit. Then he's all like "lol JAT worst euro ml'd d1" and other outright trolling. I have no clue what to make of it. Palmar, why did you switch to JAT d1? I think I'm gonna post VCA stuff one day at a time so people can start talking about it while I'm working (and also digest my posts more easily). | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I said this in my first response. I think ritoky would vote for JAT if he were mafia because I think it would be a more plausible bus if it were a two-sided bus instead of one-sided. It makes the distancing greater should one of them flip scum. You might not agree, but that's where I was coming from on that. | ||
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Onegu's reputation as a hardcore busser is greatly exaggerated. There are 2 mafia games for Onegu in the database since the start of 2014. They are Neat and Tidy Mini Mafia and Hammertime Mafia. (Links are to his filters.) He had two partners - Mages and batsnacks - in Neat&Tidy, one partner (Robik) in Hammertime. The hardcore busing of batsnacks is well-documented here. What's not is that Onegu sorta-townread his other teammate that game and hardcore townread Robik in the other one. People are citing one example out of three as evidence that Onegu is a hardcore busser. It just isn't backed up by the recent data. The only reasonable conclusion to be made from Onegu's recent mafia games is that it is inconclusive as to whether or not Onegu buses frequently. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I understand that. What i don't understand is that you directly contradict this in the post you made. Not verbally but silently. Like everything behind the words says otherwise while you don't clearly say so. Er, tell me if I have this right, because I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that the way I structured that read seems to indicate that I think (or should think) ritoky is mafia? | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote: The train was on him, koshi seemed quite passionate about it and I had been scum reading jat all day anyway. ok, that checks out actually. I should have looked further at your filter than just near EOD | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:32 Palmar wrote: Eden I have now responded to two of your inquiries. Has this changed your mind at all about me? somewhat I'm still trying to figure this out. I would really like to see prplhz's answer to my question about his d1 voting record before I answer this more | ||
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OK, not really sure what to tell you then. Shrug. I get what you're saying, it's just not what I was trying to convey. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not sure who are these people who are using the things you claim here against anyone or however they have anything to do with anything? That's odd since you explicitly commented on Onegu busing bats earlier. You don't remember doing this? It was earlier today... I argued prplhz is strong town because Onegu spent the whole time he cared to play trying to kill him. marv said that was bad because Onegu is a hardcore busser. I went to research Onegu's games to see if this held up. It doesn't (imo). I swear I mentioned I would do this not an hour ago lol | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:31 Palmar wrote: For very selfish reasons I really really Eden to be town. explain this at eon please | ||
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On March 13 2015 07:08 prplhz wrote: gf v medic vig seems pretty weak Errrr how did this guy know there was a godfather in the game...??????? This was start of d2 | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes i know i said that. I don't however think that has anything to do with anything, it only shows Onegu CAN bus, as you state. You also stated Onegu tried to "kill prplhz". Now let's assume prplhz is mafia; is Onegu really a person in this game to push that lynch like ever? The two people in this game alive on D3 i find out to be "unlikely to be pushing anything if mafia" are prplhz and Onegu. Because well... they are unlikely to succeed and more likely to just go with the flow whatever it is. Eh him pushing prplhz knowing he would be unsuccessful seems weird. But I mean, there's no reason it can't happen. I'm starting to think prplhz is mafia anyway so I'm fine with you being right here because it saves me the trouble of resolving the fact that one of Onegu's few interests this game was killing his partner. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:46 Palmar wrote: In his defense Eden had been talking about mafia setups (if they have/don't have a rb) But I have no idea why his mind went to gf or what that had to do with anything. Right. There's no reason to think there's a godfather based on what we know, and no one was talking about a cop or anything. That and, however weak it is, nothing we know about the flips has invalidated gf/goon/goon setup (which is important, because if JAT had flipped rb or something, he wouldn't have "slipped" into revealing that there was only a godfather for scum). | ||
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On March 12 2015 19:57 prplhz wrote: marv kinda forcing me to be a whiny bitch in my town games from now on On March 15 2015 03:21 prplhz wrote: marv just seems town too. i like most of the things he's said especially pretty much confirming me, partly by revealing some town tell (the whiny bitch tell). The only relevant quotes I found before I stopped searching, seems sufficient to establish the point that no, at no point did prplhz question it. To be fair, I think if he were town he could say this just as well as if he were mafia. He probably wasn't aware of the tell's existence in the first place. I think if I were in his shoes and if it were a new tell for me, I would be disinclined to question it much too (I'd more be surprised at not having noticed it). | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:57 prplhz wrote: dunno look at my setup speculation this game if i'm going to be lynched for anything i want it to be this though ...I did...? And that's what's stumping me. You just kinda come up with it out of nowhere unexplained and then never mention it again. Do you not remember why you said this? And sure, your wish is probably my command. | ||
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On March 19 2015 05:59 prplhz wrote: there's more but i'm not going to find it for you right now Cool, you got 37 hours anyway. 37 cuz if you wait til the last 12 hours I'm probably lynching you anyway | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:20 marvellosity wrote: Eden still looks super genuine, which is sad. Or not sad. It's whatever it is. why would that be sad... i feel like this is possibly a sharp cut lmao | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:19 prplhz wrote: i self voted once and i don't really know how much i was planning on going through with it. of course i was in the moment but people do shit in the moment. you self voted once, i really doubt you were planning on following through with it either. also i defended myself against rayn like yesterday so obviously you don't know what "every time" means. i'm also not claiming that i'm okay being lynched, just that if i am going to get lynched, being lynched for predicting scum had a godfather isn't the worst thing to be lynched for. though i kind of blew it right now by saying i don't remember why i even said that. you on the other hand want whoever the fuck to be mafia so it doesn't hurt your ego. how the fuck is that playing to your win condition? we have 2 fucking days to look into this it's not imperative that i look into this right now when i'm busy with other things so please shove off I know you just said you don't know why you thought that there was a gf, so sorry if this feels like I'm just berating you on it, but if you're going to call it a prediction... (1) Why can't you tell me why you predicted it? (2) Why was your first response to my bringing it up to say "dunno, look at my other setup speculation this game?" I understand this is a little nitpicky with the wording, but "prediction" is a much stronger confidence level than "speculation" in any conventional use of either term, and the fact that you're framing it as you "being lynched for predicting scum had a godfather" reinforces the idea that you were confident in your idea. This is inconsistent to me with calling it speculative (which generally implies it's not rooted in firm evidence and that there shouldn't be a lot of confidence placed into it). | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:25 marvellosity wrote: btw, Eden, my point about Onegu and bussing was not really "x or y have to be mafia because Onegu is a busser", but more "Onegu is happy to bus, so him attacking/voting x or y doesn't clear them in any way at all" mm, ok. I believe I was really wrong anyway so yea. Lol | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: gonna be totes annoyed that people shat on my emotional disconnect thing if prpy is mafia and i will also grant that palmar may have had a grounds to think i was being weird Sorry, but I still don't think that's why he would be mafia :/ | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ima be here soon one game of hots then mafia. half hr to eon, you might wanna hustle | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: is the deadline in 15 min or 1h 15 min? Bruh 15m hurry gogogo townread me quick | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay i am here until deadline. i think prplhz is mafia YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WE DID IT BOYS | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: if not him the npalmar. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tBCtHsk.gif) | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:52 prplhz wrote: i don't know who is scum and i voted koshi for super secret reasons because he said he'd lynch me for information and when i asked what information he said "secret" yeah I literally just looked everywhere for this and it didn't happen ??? ctrl-f koshi filter, the word "secret" appears 2x and he doesn't say anything about secret reasons when he quotes your post that says this | ||
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On March 19 2015 06:59 Koshi wrote: checks: ritoky marvellosity LMAO | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:04 prplhz wrote: koshi trolling you guys ;D taking this as a scum claim and lynching anyway #StageOne #Denial | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:05 Palmar wrote: My reality does not conform with this so I'm substituting this reality with my own. A+ | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:12 marvellosity wrote: cop vs miller + gf + framer in a 12 man setup is a bastard setup we had rb as well | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:14 Palmar wrote: You're not confirmed so you have to explain why you think I'm mafia. If I am mafia there is something in my filter that makes me mafia and you have to find it. Challenge accepted On March 13 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote: I shot rsoultin | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:15 Palmar wrote: I like how you've PoE'd yourself after I flip. Which strangely enough isn't actually very scummy at all. You see my issue here? You don't seem right as the final mafia, but you literally have to be unless we have a framer. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:18 Palmar wrote: That, or marv was right day 1, rayn bussed the fuck out of JAT and then counterclaimed him to seal the lynch. To be completely honest, if you aren't mafia, whoever is mafia actually counterclaimed JAT on the medic thing (be it me or rayn) which is kinda amazing. Like I'm so sad that I'm not mafia here. The nightkills are ballsy as fuck Counterclaiming your team for extra lulz. It's just cool play in general. all of the boldface is like a hand hovering over the button that sounds the "FUCK YOU" klaxons | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:19 Koshi wrote: I am going to amuse myself and count how many times Palmar is going to call the last mafia player brilliant. Lmao | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote: framer gf and miller means that 27% of the cop checks are going to be wrong. possibly 18% if the framer frames the miller guilty or only 9% if the framer frames the miller innocent. ballsy plays am i right????? | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:23 Palmar wrote: btw I actually think it's rayn. But I'm obviously going to have to slave away for like 2 days to try to figure out a) if I'm right and b) why. And then I'll get lynched at the end and everything will be great. Can we no-lynch today btw? I think we gain an extra day that way. would i rather give koshi 24 hours with your flip to figure things out or give you 72 hours to convince me it's not you that's kind of a hard question. my gut says koshi | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:28 Palmar wrote: I don't have any. Clearly this is where I start manufacturing these notes. Also it could of course be you. You overreacted a bit to this thing. You said you thought it's ray. Why? And yeah I reacted strongly, I was sure it was prplhz and now if it's not you I'm fucked. Like ray has this shit literally 100% locked up if somehow you're not mafia and he is. I have 0 chance arguing against the guy that co-led the lynch on JAT and was important in hammering Onegu over me. This is not a good place to be in. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:32 Koshi wrote: Really both of you want to lynch rayn? I don't even know in which world rayn is mafia. And if I live in a world in which rayn is mafia he can take this win and my anus. No. I want Palmar to explain why he immediately jumped to the wrong conclusion today | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:39 Holyflare wrote: You may also PM me requesting 24 hour days at this point, if all players agree to 24 hour days I can end this cycle early. If you wish for NEXT cycle to be 24 hours and not this then I will ask again at night. Er how much of this are we allowed to discuss? This seems like something that's obviously important to talk about but I feel like disclosing whether or not we made a request is probably not ok (in the vein of "I PMed the mod to get replaced" type stuff) | ||
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On March 18 2015 15:12 Eden1892 wrote: also everyone go look at the part where i tried to catch onegu in a scumslip AND WAS RIGHT (not really) mafia never do that, god bless im confirmed town On March 14 2015 20:58 Onegu wrote: All righty then! Thoughts on palmar? I can basicly never read him. As far as I can tell he "trolls" as both alignments. On March 15 2015 09:59 Onegu wrote: I'm VT! Plus I am playing. Convince me on Palmar, as I am currently hardcore on prplhz. That being said I can never read palmar and he is squarely in the null pile for me. On March 15 2015 10:48 Onegu wrote: Yeah I'm fine with this, would prefer a prplhz lynch but yeah. I can never get a good read on Palmar in any game. On March 16 2015 09:32 Onegu wrote: I have the blue claims as town Rayn and Marv as town Leaves Eden Palmar Prplhz Prplhz is my biggest scum read. Eden looks townie but something is just off to me. And palmar I can never read. Onegu's only 4 posts where he offers any explanation of his read on Palmar. Cliffs: - He can't read Palmar - He can't read Palmar, he asks someone he constantly scumread to convince him that Palmar is mafia - He can't read Palmar - He can't read Palmar Somehow though he never actually finds the time to have a conversation with anyone about Palmar's alignment Somehow though of the 3 people he wants to lynch he always finds time to want to lynch the 2 that aren't Palmar On March 10 2015 17:24 justanothertownie wrote: roflroflrofl This game hasn't become more interesting since yesterday. At least I like rsoultin, Eden and Palmar so far. And another person I am not telling. huehuehue Would policy lynch ritoky for keeping an mediocre joke alive for ages. Would also policy lynch slam (unfortunately not that easy). hey remember when we said maybe jat had one scum in his townreads? hue On March 17 2015 21:02 Palmar wrote: I believe Onegu is mafia + Show Spoiler [vote_counts_since_this_quote] + On March 18 2015 01:15 Holyflare wrote: On March 18 2015 05:59 Holyflare wrote: On March 18 2015 06:09 Holyflare wrote: On March 18 2015 06:27 Holyflare wrote: On March 18 2015 06:45 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (1): raynpelikoneet prplhz (4): Onegu, Koshi, marvellosity, FecalFeast Marvellosity (2): Palmar, Eden1892 Koshi (1): prplhz Currently prplhz is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:50 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (2): FecalFeast, prplhz prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (4): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:56 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (2): FecalFeast, prplhz prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (4): marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Onegu, Palmar Currently Eden1892 is set to be lynched! On March 18 2015 06:58 Hapahauli wrote: Onegu (4): FecalFeast, prplhz, raynpelikoneet, marvellosity prplhz (1): Koshi Marvellosity (1): Eden1892 Eden1892 (2): Onegu, Palmar Currently Onegu is set to be lynched! For clarification, any vote at :00 will not count. ayy lmao | ||
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Then with my luck I end up pushing people to post links to a game from last week where this happened. But in my head then people lynch Palmar instead. | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:53 Koshi wrote: I also want to point out my read on Damdred was 100% legit. yup | ||
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On March 19 2015 07:55 Palmar wrote: If you are town Eden. I want you to think really, really hard about that you are using posts made by MAFIA to lynch me. We're going to have a talk about associative reads post-game. some wine is sweeter than others especially when someone dumped a teaspoon of pure unadulterated cane sugary POE goodness in it | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:05 marvellosity wrote: could totes see Eden killing rsoultin though I would never do this because we finally rolled town together. | ||
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I stand by what I said. I would never kill rsoultin this game because we finally rolled town together. Not only does killing rsoultin not advance my win condition, I really like playing with rsoultin and removing her from the game would suck. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:19 Koshi wrote: The point is that you would be mafia if you killed her..................... I know, Koshi. I know. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden, this game would be better if you yelled that Palmar is scum. And Palmar would yell you are scum. And we are sitting here just lynching both of you. Well, y'all could talk about the things I already said about Palmar since you revealed prplhz was town. I already voted Palmar. I said that it's suspicious that he's just fishing for a way not to lynch me today literally without having any reasons for doing it. (Contrast my questions about a framer, which was done in pursuit of an actual relevant line of inquiry about the game state, and how I POE'd it as being Palmar immediately if there's no framer.) Right now Palmar is the lynch and no one seems to have an issue with my arguments so I'm feeling ok taking a break from arguing about it. | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:23 marvellosity wrote: i can lynch them both really happily tbh. eden for the investment comment i've never got over palmar for calling me mafia all the time they deserve to die good time to start, unless your list is in reverse lynch order in which case you can take your sweet time getting over it as long as you lynch palmar first and don't ruin my perfect mislynch streak | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:28 marvellosity wrote: I RNGed the order Lmao On March 19 2015 08:30 prplhz wrote: ##Vote NoLynch everybody should just vote no lynch and then go read stuff Bruh that just means Palmar gets 72 hours to troll everyone into thinking he's not mafia instead of giving Koshi 24 hours to figure the game out in the blue moon that Palmar is town | ||
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wouldn't you want him to play? i mean obviously I have an incentive for him to give up but none of y'all should | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:36 Koshi wrote: Let it be perfectly clear. I have cleared rayn 100% from being mafia. so... I'm pretty sure Palmar is mafia. but if he's town, what do you advise me to do if I'm town given the circumstances? because as pretty sure as I am about this, I am not looking forward to the possible universe where he flips town pls advise | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:37 marvellosity wrote: Like Onegu? *giggles* ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tdgwm5k.gif) | ||
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well I know THAT what after that? i don't think you guys understand how much i'm dreading the possibility of him flipping town and me being in 4p mylo with ray/prplhz/you. i never want to be the reason my team loses and i never want to be ml'd and i feel like both of those are happening if he's town | ||
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i am going to vote for palmar (check) i am going to make some arguments for why palmar is mafia (check) i am going to respond to queries about them and make more arguments as needed i am going to otherwise not really try all that hard. if palmar is going to get me lynched instead, then i will spam thread and be loud to get him lynched. if palmar flips town, i'm going to freak out and then you guys will please not lynch me at 4p mylo | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:51 Koshi wrote: Lynch his own gf --> tries to shoot cop in the night. when you put it that way it's not patently ridiculous. but that's not what happened, i agree. he wasn't forced to lynch onegu yesterday at all | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:50 Palmar wrote: I like how eden is copying my idea of setting rules of engagement. sort of. i just want to know if i can get away with being a little lazy, because i've been busting my ass all day in this game when i haven't been busting my ass at work, and i foresee this trend continuing for the next 2 days, and i'm tired | ||
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On March 19 2015 08:55 marvellosity wrote: oh yeah, i was going to save it for postgame, but i don't have to now the reason i've posted so much - i posted a lot on day 1 for shits and giggles, but planned to fall back to a more reasonable amount of posting. but then people were getting suspicious of me, and i basically reasoned the best way to not get lynched was just to masspost. so I did. just thought i'd be lynched otherwise :/ well now you can never lynch me ever because i did the same thing except in reverse | ||
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1) Koshi fake claimed cop 2) ray bused his team 3) prplhz is framer | ||
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It would basically make the game vanilla w/town RB. Which seems mafiasided given past history of 9-3's. But it doesn't seem impossible... I think (1) is the least likely. I think Koshi moved around a lot on marv d3 for having a green check, but I can understand it if he basically disregarded the check until a godfather flipped. His reaction with ritoky seemed pretty legit when I factchecked his claim yesterday. And there's the question of necessity... why would mafia!Koshi need to do any of this? He could let everyone believe he is vet and coast to a win. So it's not (1). (3) basically depends on whether or not you believe a normal 9-3 would have 3 cop-hating roles when town has cop/rb. I do tend to think that's not what happened, but I don't feel confident saying that's not it in the same vein that I did with (1). (2) ...man, (2) is hard too. I can see the necessity of ray busing JAT. That's not terribly difficult to figure out. ray was on the chopping block for all of d1 and then JAT started getting on the block late, so it makes some sense for ray to bus JAT; whichever one isn't lynched looks better for the push (either ray looks better for pushing mafia or JAT looks better for being the target of lynched mafia's final gambit at survival). But it seems like he wouldn't want to switch off me and onto Onegu. I probably need to look at when he moved to Onegu to figure it out, because my recollection was that Fecalfeast moved first, marv moved second, then ray. It's still weird, because I don't know why ray would feel the necessity of lynching Onegu there. Maybe he figured Onegu was going down soon and wanted the credit for endgame? It makes sense to make a final bus move at MYLO-1 instead of at MYLO, because people don't expect a bus at MYLO-1, whereas they'll believe anything about MYLO. I don't feel like I can make a hella convincing case about (2), but it seems like the best shot based on what I said. I don't believe that marv would be the framer or that there would be two godfathers; if I'm entertaining a setup like that then it's prplhz for sure over marv. And Palmar's town case is really fucking convincing. I think he's town. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:58 Koshi wrote: It's you or Palmar. Quite obviously. If you want to be a jackass. You can die first. I don't think it's obvious. Why do you? You're apparently completely unconvinced by Palmar's town case, why don't you show me why? And how am I being a jackass? What would you do differently in my situation? Lynch the obvious target who seems really townie and then shrug your shoulders, get mislynched next day and lose the game for your team? | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:00 marvellosity wrote: it is in mafia Eden's best interests for 3 ppl to be on the table Then why am I taking one of them off? Especially the easiest one to lynch out of the group? | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can't believe you actually believe this. Can't believe that you wouldn't want to switch off of me and onto Onegu...? Or that you moved third? I actually got that right lol, just mixed up prplhz and marv. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least you should not lynch the people who look townier than your "really townie guy". I'm not sure that you look townier than Palmar right now. I wouldn't be switching otherwise. ._. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:04 Koshi wrote: Because as mafia his job is to say/act out a couple fucking townie things? And now he is fucking putting them in a case. Ignoring all the scummy shit he said. I read all the filters and I gave my opinion. For me Palmar is 100% mafia. But I can lynch you first. Really no problem. But it's not just "a couple of things." His evolution of his d1 reads, when he explains them in the big case, looks legit. It looks like town!Palmar here. It's an entire narrative of how his mindset changed over the course of the day, not just "see look I scumread JAT here" type stuff. | ||
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What is so wrong about it? We've all been saying for a couple days now that someone is playing the mafia game of their lives. Why does it have to be one of me or Palmar? | ||
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ray yes, Koshi no. tbf I think it's probably you if it's not ray. I don't think Koshi would fakeclaim cop when he did, he has no incentive to do that when he can coast as a "veteran" and win the game. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:10 prplhz wrote: it just seems more probable the it's you or palmar? it's not like no one has considered anything else, it's more like, everybody has considered anything else Then unless they can show why Palmar's town case is bunk, they better damn well start considering it again | ||
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"okay, <Palmar/Eden> had the worse town case, let's lynch him" <Palmar/Eden> flips town "oops, oh well, guess the other one must be mafia" <Eden/Palmar> flips town, <ray/marv/Koshi/prplhz> wins, <other 3> are stupefied I think the far better use of my time is in trying to prove that the other alternatives are possible. Just focusing on why I'm town is silly because everyone has made up their minds that I'm less townie than the other 4. Having all of the attention focused on me and Palmar is just going to lead to us both being lynched. Put another way, even if Palmar gets lynched today, unless he's mafia, I'll have to do this pushing next phase anyway. Why wait until then to start, when everyone's hearts will already be closed? If town's going to win, I have to start now. | ||
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ray, you said on d2 that you were going to lynch Onegu, but you switched because no one was listening. Why is it that you never voted for Onegu d2 then? | ||
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On March 14 2015 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: For anyone who thinks i am mafia i shoot marv 100% of the times in this game's N1. 100%. Because i am not stupid. So you can't really think i am mafia without marv being also mafia which is a retarded assumption in the first place given how this game has went. I don't really who is mafia, Onegu and ritoky are least town. I am going to sheep marv because i trust his reads. ##vote ritoky This is your post from when you voted ritoky. Does that look like a "push" on Onegu to anyone else in the room? On March 14 2015 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: I base my ritoky townread on the these facts: - I know i am town, i was the opposing wagon to JAT - I don't think JAT would bus, i don't think JAT would give up because there was a lot of time left - Everyone was at least sorta scumreading (or null-reading) ritoky at that point - therefore he is the easiest wagon to push (besides Onegu, which is one of the reasons i think Onegu is mafia) - JAT pushes ritoky - JAT did not give up in my opinion, he was coasting by with me being on the chopping block. When i made my case on him, he got SHIT ACTIVE when suddenly HE is the one being (at least possibly) lynched. The only reason i would think ritoky is mafia is if JAT just gave up. Which is clearly not the case here. Even more ridiculous is to say i am mafia with him. There are many things (besides the JAT lynch) that point towards me being town so fucking heavily. So Koshi, go read again. Or rather: - Do you think i gave up? I don't give up as scum, or if i do i just antagonize marv. - Do you think there is a fucking world (after Noir) where i do not kill marv on N1? This is why you townread ritoky. I explained why I flip-flopped. Time for you to explain yours. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: because i can be wrong and he can be right. This is a really bad reason and I don't think I believe it. This is worse than my reason and my reason was pretty bad. I can at least excuse my reason with a bout of irrational frustration. You're treating it like a calculated decision, which makes no sense for someone with a strong townread to do without any engagement with marv about the issue. I want everyone to go through ray's filter and ctrl-f "onegu" for me. This is roughly what you'll find: - A lot of unexplained flip-flops early on Onegu. ray starts off townreading Onegu early, then completely retracts his townread, claiming that if Onegu were mafia, Onegu would want to avoid townreading ray but also avoid scumreading him either. Onegu responds by claiming ray is 100% town, which apparently does not affect ray's read on Onegu. - ray briefly acknowledges that Onegu's vote "looks good" for him, but then throughout d2 is talking about Onegu being a good lynch and ritoky being town. - Despite the above, ray sheeps marv onto the guy he had a strong townread on without debating the issue with marv first. He also never votes for Onegu, despite now trying to claim credit for pushing Onegu. Additionally, he never makes a concerted push on Onegu d2. - He comes out voting for Onegu immediately on d3. Given the above, this looks like a bus he planned in the night. He ends up flipping onto me when he thinks he can get me lynched, but then moves back as soon as the tide shifts toward Onegu at the end. This to me looks like someone who didn't know what to do with his partner early, then looked for an out to not lynch his partner, then decided to commit to the bus on his partner. The evolution of this read is more than a little sketchy. ray, you're going to need to explain how your read evolved on Onegu like Palmar explained how his d1 reads evolved. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: btw if you are town in this game Eden i will go back to never read any of your posts in any game and just sheep people when they want to lynch you because your posting is impossible to read. You take points from some point of the game and make about ten different conclusions of them and try to push every of them after another. It is fucking impossible to figure out where your head actually is at any point of the game because you just make up a narrative for about every single person to be mafia in every situation in the game. that is not playing mafia, that is paranoia. Ya, I know I've been all over the place. There's too much information in this game. I tried sitting back and not getting overloaded with it and got people pushing me d1. Why am I wrong now? I feel like if you're town this is pretty easy to explain, no? | ||
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OK, if you truly hope I'm town and think Palmar isn't, why are you lynching me first? Like if you're gonna lynch someone you think is town you might as well lynch ray first and show me why I'm so terrible if you're right. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:58 prplhz wrote: wow this is kind of wrong! !!! in eden/palmar whoever is town is more likely to think "i'll just survive today and we'll probably have won" while the scum is absolutely thinking "i have to survive today AND tomorrow" so the scum is probably more inclined to put third parties on the table. Eh maybe, but again mafia wouldn't take their primary target OFF the table either. | ||
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I know you just said you cba, but marv these guys are being complete douchebags. Will you help me out here? This is so fucking annoying how I feel like I'm the only person who cares about trying to figure this game out | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden out of curiosity why are you not reading marv scum? Ask him why did we lynch Onegu. Why aren't you? I will explain why I'm not after you explain why you aren't (unless you are...) | ||
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On March 20 2015 05:14 prplhz wrote: i just thought the same thing but i guess it's easy to answer "filtersize" or something like that Wrong answer fwiw | ||
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Sick of the abuse and bullshit from people like Koshi. Sick of the apathy and the not trying. I've had it with this stupid game. My vote is on ray. I'm not moving it. I'm not checking into this bullshit game anymore. I am never ever mafia because I would have conceded given my other ongoing game if I were mafia. Do not ever lynch Palmar until someone rebuts his big townie case. Do not ever lynch marv because if there's a framer it's prplhz. Do not ever lynch Koshi because he never fakeclaims cop there. Probably do not ever lynch prplhz because it's doubtful there is a framer. If ray is town then lynch him but only if ray is town. Lynch ray. He bused both his teammates. It makes 0 sense for him to have survived n1. Fuck all of y'all so much for pissing this stupid thing away and being douches whenever I try to figure anything out. I was right on JAT, then people shit on me and made me doubt myself and I moved elsewhere. I was right on ritoky, then no one fucking listened and I lynched him cuz I'm stupid and don't listen to myself. Now I'm right on ray and no one is listening again. This game is unfuckingplayable. Bye | ||
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On March 20 2015 23:40 marvellosity wrote: if I had my way, I would fear-lynch rayn now, and try to decide between you and Eden tomorrow. But I think that's a very unpopular way of thinking. On March 20 2015 23:41 Palmar wrote: But in that case, do you really want eden by your side rather than me? You guys know that if you did it right now we would get the ray lynch and have the tiebreaker, right? | ||
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If both of you feel in your hearts that it's ray why not just vote for him? | ||
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On March 20 2015 03:55 Eden1892 wrote: (2) ...man, (2) is hard too. I can see the necessity of ray busing JAT. That's not terribly difficult to figure out. ray was on the chopping block for all of d1 and then JAT started getting on the block late, so it makes some sense for ray to bus JAT; whichever one isn't lynched looks better for the push (either ray looks better for pushing mafia or JAT looks better for being the target of lynched mafia's final gambit at survival). But it seems like he wouldn't want to switch off me and onto Onegu. I probably need to look at when he moved to Onegu to figure it out, because my recollection was that Fecalfeast moved first, marv moved second, then ray. It's still weird, because I don't know why ray would feel the necessity of lynching Onegu there. Maybe he figured Onegu was going down soon and wanted the credit for endgame? It makes sense to make a final bus move at MYLO-1 instead of at MYLO, because people don't expect a bus at MYLO-1, whereas they'll believe anything about MYLO. I don't feel like I can make a hella convincing case about (2), but it seems like the best shot based on what I said. I don't believe that marv would be the framer or that there would be two godfathers; if I'm entertaining a setup like that then it's prplhz for sure over marv. And Palmar's town case is really fucking convincing. I think he's town. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: raynpelikoneet Why ray's push on Onegu seems like a bus to me: On March 20 2015 04:33 Eden1892 wrote: This is a really bad reason and I don't think I believe it. This is worse than my reason and my reason was pretty bad. I can at least excuse my reason with a bout of irrational frustration. You're treating it like a calculated decision, which makes no sense for someone with a strong townread to do without any engagement with marv about the issue. I want everyone to go through ray's filter and ctrl-f "onegu" for me. This is roughly what you'll find: - A lot of unexplained flip-flops early on Onegu. ray starts off townreading Onegu early, then completely retracts his townread, claiming that if Onegu were mafia, Onegu would want to avoid townreading ray but also avoid scumreading him either. Onegu responds by claiming ray is 100% town, which apparently does not affect ray's read on Onegu. - ray briefly acknowledges that Onegu's vote "looks good" for him, but then throughout d2 is talking about Onegu being a good lynch and ritoky being town. - Despite the above, ray sheeps marv onto the guy he had a strong townread on without debating the issue with marv first. He also never votes for Onegu, despite now trying to claim credit for pushing Onegu. Additionally, he never makes a concerted push on Onegu d2. - He comes out voting for Onegu immediately on d3. Given the above, this looks like a bus he planned in the night. He ends up flipping onto me when he thinks he can get me lynched, but then moves back as soon as the tide shifts toward Onegu at the end. This to me looks like someone who didn't know what to do with his partner early, then looked for an out to not lynch his partner, then decided to commit to the bus on his partner. The evolution of this read is more than a little sketchy. ray, you're going to need to explain how your read evolved on Onegu like Palmar explained how his d1 reads evolved. + night actions = vote ray please | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:05 Koshi wrote: Really. The solution to win this game is to discard everything that happened. Discard a blue cop claim in a game which obviously has a cop. And then start calling the greenchecks and the cop mafia for a couple of posts. Then when the cop says you are a retard emo out. I never called cop or greenchecks mafia ._. I raised them as possibilities then quickly discarded and went to ray who btw isn't a cop check | ||
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well yeah but that's not right now, that's after ray flips. not the same thing as what you said. now quit being a fucking dick, koshi | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:11 Koshi wrote: STFU YOU FUCK STFU THIS IS FUCKING NOW. THIS WAS YOUR GOODBYE POST. THIS IS FUCKING THE REALITY IN WHICH YOU ARE LIVING AND YOU TELL US TO GO FUCK OURSELVES AND IN THE SAME POST WRITE THIS. THIS FUCKING PIECE OF GARBAGE. ray hasn't flipped yet so... no | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:12 Palmar wrote: Let's pinky swear to lynch koshi together next time we get the chance in a game. nah, cuz we have the "chance" right now and i don't feel like gamethrowing but we gonna talk postgame. chill koshi | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:13 Palmar wrote: No I mean next game. I don't think lynching him right now is viable. I just want to randomly day 1 lynch him for being a bit of a dick. oh lol maybe but i don't think i'll have the fire for it by next game | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:14 Koshi wrote: It literally says; When rayn flips town, lynch prplhz. SO YOU SAY LYNCH PRPLHZ BEFORE PALMAR. NOTHING I SAY IS UNTRUE You are fucking impossible to work with. You don't fucking use any form of logic. no it literally says "if" and you said i wanted to lynch the cop and his greenchecks. i have one greencheck as a maybe lynch which doesn't even matter much cuz i think a non-greencheck is mafia. where's your logic? | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:18 Palmar wrote: If eden happens to be town, this is actually a brilliant observation. ? explain cuz i am and it'd be awesome to be brilliant | ||
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On March 21 2015 00:27 Palmar wrote: You figured out I'm town, to the point that you're so sure of your read you're willing to entertain tinfoil hat theories over lynching me. That's a massively strong townread when there is lots of lynch inertia towards me in the game. It's basically a very hard read to make, so hard that it's one of the things that's making me struggle to figure you out. I'm not sure I think you're good enough to do that without perfect information I have made reads sort of like this before. I point to d1 of Horn of Africa, where everyone wanted to lynch "obvious" candidates sicklucker and Damdred, and I tried to lynch Koshi instead. Koshi was mafia, both of them were town. Now, not the same situation for 2 reasons: (1) ray is far more townie this game than Koshi was in that one. (2) given the stakes I do think this is a harder read than sicklucker and Damdred being town. But I think I've at least shown the potential to make a read like this in this situation before. It's a natural progression of improving as a player. [inb4 Palmar is mafia and the above sentence is hilariously wrong] | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like nothing is about what this game and my actions. It's about something else. People are saying shit i can't possibly even defend myself against. It is so BS. That's not true. I have repeatedly asked you about your Onegu read d2 and d3. You said you "pushed him" d2 but you never once vote him. You waffled on him d2 in fact. You claim you sheeped marv onto ritoky d2 but you were tr'ing ritoky and you never discussed the difference in reads with marv, you just ditched your tr without explanation and voted him. All of these are suspicious things you actually did. Things you can answer for. Things you refused to answer for when I pressed you before. Maybe now you'll answer for them? | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:35 marvellosity wrote: i'm just not entertaining prplhz, game is void in my mind if he's framer so i'm not going down that path if he's framer you're in the situation where, AT BEST, 2 of the mafia permanently show as green to checks, and a townie shows as red. That's actually misinformation Now that's just bullshit. It's a cop out to rationalize losing instead of an attempt to win. Come on, I can accept "I doubt there's a framer" but I won't accept "I don't care because in my mind it's not really a loss." Like how easy would that be? I could just say "Well I was obvious town so if I get ml'd it's not really my loss." But that's bullshit I still lose. If you think he's town bc you just don't think there's a framer then ok. But don't give me the rationalization man. We can still win this game even if there's a framer | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please just lynch Eden. You can lynch me the next day if he doesn't flip mafia. Lol you will regret this so so much. I give you one chance to take this back if you're town cuz you just buried yourself otherwise | ||
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On March 21 2015 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I told marv many times i want to lynch Onegu. I told you this before. I sheeped marv in the end. Like what do you want me to explain, it's that fucking simple. Maybe you can explain all the suspicious things i have asked you to explain what you have never bothered to touch even with a long stick. Hypocrite. Also this isn't true. Again you don't push Onegu d2. I looked in your filter. You just don't do it. And I've answered everything I thought. Post what else you need answered | ||
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Your loss should these chuckleheads lynch me. Like literally, your loss. No matter what alignment you are. | ||
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Someone tell me one thing I haven't answered. To the best of my limited ability I will answer. I have like 40 pages or so. That's longer than all my filters as scum combined. I readily acknowledge I haven't been at my best but I am town. Don't lynch me please. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:07 marvellosity wrote: like as far as I can see, I just sat around today thinking about the game, trying to think about all different angles, and you decide to call me shit for some reason? i really don't get it What? | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:07 marvellosity wrote: like as far as I can see, I just sat around today thinking about the game, trying to think about all different angles, and you decide to call me shit for some reason? i really don't get it Then why you vote me? I am town | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:13 marvellosity wrote: because apparently right now i go for gameplay reasons than meta reasons. But what are the gameplay reasons? | ||
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Koshi check me tonight. Don't lynch me today. I really wish you not lynch Palmar but it is IMPERATIVE I be allowed to live to be checked. I will check green and we will all be ok | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum!!!!!"! No I am serious. I got a foolproof way of handling it. I can't explain why or the mafia will be able to game it. Also it depends on me being town so you kinda just have to believe me on this. But it is brilliant. I will even write it down in a QT to myself to share later. It is that good. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: so what's your super plan to win the game? I can't explain or the mafia might game it. It is also a boatload of WIFOM but I am confident I can parse the WIFOM. I think I'm the only person here bonkers enough to even try to parse it though which is why I can't die. | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:45 marvellosity wrote: btw rayn i will nominate you in the awards after if you are town remind me Not if I do it first. And yes that's even if he ml's me | ||
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On March 21 2015 02:46 marvellosity wrote: sorry Eden, not gonna fly. But if I explain it it's bunk. Please? | ||
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Remember how I had 3 theories for mafia? I had to resolve Koshi, you, prplhz and ray, and also Palmar. So here was my plan: 1. You are town because if there's a framer it's prplhz. The odds of you framing yourself n2 when you wouldn't necessarily need it and would be an unlikely check are low. prplhz otoh was a lock check last night. 2. I lynch ray today. 3. Koshi is always cop here. That leaves Palmar and prplhz, and simply resolving "is there a framer?" Wins the game. So I told Koshi to check me. 2 possible results: I. Koshi dies in the night. There is no framer cuz they would frame me. Koshi is being obstinate and would never entertain that I was framed here so there is no chance framer doesn't frame me. We lynch Palmar and win. II. Koshi lives and gets red on me. I am framed. Thus prplhz is mafia. We lynch him and win. | ||
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On March 21 2015 03:49 Palmar wrote: Why wouldn't Marv frame himself green having just led a mislynch? Cuz marv still wasn't gonna be checked bro Although now that I think about it, he would always frame himself town. Highest EV esp with Onegu gf. SORRY I TRIED it wasn't as good as I thought. | ||
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When I'm mafia, I am really really inflexible with my reads. Check NYE Mini and Neebie 55. I get something that sounds good and I milk it for everything it's worth. There is an obvious lack of intellectual curiosity in my reads bc I have nothing to be curious about. Look at all my posts this game. Do they look like someone who's inflexible with his reads? Do they look like someone coasting on something that sounded good once? I feel like the fire is clearly there even to an outsider reading. | ||
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Player-by-Player Analysis raynpelikoneet: Don't lynch this guy. I had a lot of time to think about it after my phone got taken away, because being a host is really boring. Really. Really. Boring. If he is mafia, it's because of the things I said earlier that no one really listened to. But he caught both mafia and I feel like his frustration at varying points in the game has been pretty townie. I am coming around to the idea that him busing both partners + 40pg filter = unlikely mafia. Yeah, I know, I should have come around to it a while before. Whatever. Don't hate just cuz I explored all opportunities. Palmar: Don't lynch this guy. I think he is also town. It's kinda difficult for me to believe he writes this huge 4-part tell-all defense of himself and tries this hard to get the win as mafia. It's not beyond his capability, but it still just seems unlikely. Whatever you do DON'T JUST BE LAZY AND LYNCH HIM TOMORROW WITHOUT THINKING THROUGH OTHER ALTERNATIVES. I can understand why he's been POE'd with me as the final mafia but I really think he has been completely sincere here during the day and is town. If you're gonna ignore me after I'm confirmed town and lynch him anyway then at LEAST think it through. Koshi: Don't lynch this guy. He is cop. He's a total dick and I am honestly not playing with him again until I see that he improves his attitude. But he is town. marvellosity: Don't lynch this guy. I am sure that he isn't the framer over prplhz. If he is mafia he's played easily his best mafiaside game ever, and he's had an illustrious career so far. I guess it's not technically beyond his capacity but I just don't see it, especially with... prplhz: This guy still being in the game. He is the framer. I don't care if you think that makes the setup bastard. Do not EVER say "well if we lose to that whatever it's a bastard format anyway." NEVER EVER. Read the damn instructions in the OP for Christ's sake. "Play to win." it says very clearly. That doesn't say "Play to win if it's not a bastard game." It doesn't say "Play to win unless the game gets too hard in which case manufacture a bullshit moral victory by claiming setup was unfair." It says "Play to win." Period. End of discussion. And if you entertain the world where a framer possibly exists, the answer is very obviously prplhz. The guy is the only one who hasn't been trying to solve the game in 6p MYLO-1. Even Koshi who pretty obviously doesn't give a shit about actually solving the game did more to solve it today tha prplhz. This guy was our virtually unanimous lynch last night but then we just collectively decided a framer is unfair and cleared him for it. Bullshit. Doesn't matter if it's unfair. If we're judging by "gameplay reasons" then it's prplhz. Period, end of story. "But Eden, Why Are You Giving Up?" I am okay with being mislynched. I don't want my streak to be broken ever. It sucks. It feels like a colossal failure. But think about what playing not to be mislynched means: It means I have no room to grow. It means I am forcing myself inside the town meta box that has been built for me by other players. I can easily never ever be mislynched through a variety of ways. I could make up town seals. I could just pointedly not try as mafia and get a pseudo-townseal. There are a lot of players on TL who basically do the latter one unintentionally. Remember back on day 1 when people were suspecting me for not interacting with JAT like I normally would as town? I caved then because I didn't want to be mislynched. This was dumb as hell because it led me not to catch mafia. It literally led me to find anything else but lynch mafia. But it was dumb for more than that. I started playing for performance instead of mastery. You gotta try something new to grow and sometimes it blows up in your face and there you are. That's basically what happened when I started exploring other options. I even laid out the damn gameplan for how I could avoid getting mislynched: On March 19 2015 08:48 Eden1892 wrote: ok friends, this is my plan for today. let me know if this is ok. i am going to vote for palmar (check) i am going to make some arguments for why palmar is mafia (check) i am going to respond to queries about them and make more arguments as needed i am going to otherwise not really try all that hard. if palmar is going to get me lynched instead, then i will spam thread and be loud to get him lynched. if palmar flips town, i'm going to freak out and then you guys will please not lynch me at 4p mylo Now, who knows if I would have made it out of 4p MYLO if I followed this. Frankly I bet I don't. But that's kinda the point, right? I could get ML'd at 4p MYLO and lose for being "safe" and not trying to branch out and win the hard games. Play it by the book, get killed at MYLO and say "wow, yeah, XYZ played a great scum game, I'm ok with losing to that." FUCK THAT MINDSET AND ANY OF Y'ALL READING THIS THINKING THE SAME, STOP THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW. So yeah. I'm giving up on not being mislynched, cause I don't think it's gonna happen. But I'm not giving up on the game. You still have a cycle to figure this out after you mislynch me. Don't fuck it up. Final Shoutouts RAY - good game dude, whatever alignment you are you balled pretty hard. Will probably nominate you for Best <alignment> pretty much regardless of how this ends. KOSHI - dude, what the hell happened to you? You used to be so fun to play with. Like Funniest Player level awesome. Even in January in Imperial you were fun to play with. And you were pretty damn good at this game too. Not that you aren't now, but you're choking hella hard here and you don't even see it cuz you're too busy being an angry douche to whoever doesn't want to march to your tune. It's like you lost the fire altogether man. I'm disappointed in you. I expected better from the guy that was so hype to play with back in the day. I dunno if you need a break or just a new game or what, but you're off your game big-time. Shape up and step up man. I know you can do better than this and I got faith you will. Sorry I was a dick to a bunch of people this game too. I am working hard on not being a raging douche. Results were already unsuccessful in the other game lol. But I think I got a handle on it and I'm gonna keep trying. I hope I haven't made this game too unfun for people, I know I did for Damdred and that sucks. Looking forward to the next game, and I promise you Imma be even better than before. Out | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:41 prplhz wrote: eden in bizarro world where the setup isn't gf + framer v cop + rb, who do i lynch tomorrow? rayn or palmar? ray is what my gut still says if they end up deciding b/t ray and palmar but i hope they get you instead as they should | ||
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On March 21 2015 06:50 Koshi wrote: Eden your only job was to convince the thread Palmar is mafia. And instead your focus was 95% elsewhere. There are no excuses for your play. And mafia Palmar just laughs. Once I became convinced Palmar is town, you would have me try to mislynch him? Just to avoid being mislynched myself for one more day? You put me in a position where I cannot win. If you don't start thinking long and hard tomorrow, you'll put the rest of the town in that position, too. You are literally mislynching me, on purpose, for trying to solve the game and not taking the easy, safe way out instead of following my own convictions. Do you see why I say you lost the fire? You have. This is the most absurd mailing-it-in performance I've seen in a mafia game. Bar none. | ||
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On March 20 2015 04:33 Eden1892 wrote: This is a really bad reason and I don't think I believe it. This is worse than my reason and my reason was pretty bad. I can at least excuse my reason with a bout of irrational frustration. You're treating it like a calculated decision, which makes no sense for someone with a strong townread to do without any engagement with marv about the issue. I want everyone to go through ray's filter and ctrl-f "onegu" for me. This is roughly what you'll find: - A lot of unexplained flip-flops early on Onegu. ray starts off townreading Onegu early, then completely retracts his townread, claiming that if Onegu were mafia, Onegu would want to avoid townreading ray but also avoid scumreading him either. Onegu responds by claiming ray is 100% town, which apparently does not affect ray's read on Onegu. - ray briefly acknowledges that Onegu's vote "looks good" for him, but then throughout d2 is talking about Onegu being a good lynch and ritoky being town. - Despite the above, ray sheeps marv onto the guy he had a strong townread on without debating the issue with marv first. He also never votes for Onegu, despite now trying to claim credit for pushing Onegu. Additionally, he never makes a concerted push on Onegu d2. - He comes out voting for Onegu immediately on d3. Given the above, this looks like a bus he planned in the night. He ends up flipping onto me when he thinks he can get me lynched, but then moves back as soon as the tide shifts toward Onegu at the end. This to me looks like someone who didn't know what to do with his partner early, then looked for an out to not lynch his partner, then decided to commit to the bus on his partner. The evolution of this read is more than a little sketchy. ray, you're going to need to explain how your read evolved on Onegu like Palmar explained how his d1 reads evolved. | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: And not does anyone else in this game either. SON PLEASE I LITERALLY POSTED HOW IN THE THREAD MULTIPLE TIMES | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: You were literally the worst player in this game. so bad i caught you when everyone else in the thread wanted me or palmar | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:09 justanothertownie wrote: Good thing your last words were "kill rayn" *cough* lol yeah i choked one last time voting prplhz at the end :/ never again tho. i mean it, never again | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:10 Palmar wrote: I guess part 4 will be called redemption after all palmar ![[image loading]](http://www.secrant.com/Images/Icons/Iconbow.gif){kind=icon} that town case was way too real | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:10 Damdred wrote: Honestly for me, it was the reads over time that fell through which a lot of people didn't pay attention to. The Damdred is scum, damdred is town, damdred scum wait why is everyone reading damdred scum hes town. Oh wait I forgot ijust woke up hes scum. Besides you being right it just didn't add up as town rayn. Marv had some good points d1 to. Eden played decently though, even if he got lynched oh i know my play all the way through d4 was dogshit | ||
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good early d1 play -> got suspected anyway -> went on MASSIVE and STUPID tilt that i'm still embarrassed over -> played like dogshit -> went on a pair of walks at a forest park on my day off -> got my mind right -> pretty good d4 play except for getting lynched | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know why he replaced. I don't appreciate the fact he trolled the fuck out of the game before that. I also don't appreciate the fact he goes to PM living people in the game after replacing out. take a break | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:21 justanothertownie wrote: In my opinion this game showed a general problem with the way games are going recently: People just put in way more effort when they are town and make themselves innocent childs this way. Examples are Marv/Eden/Palmar/etc. Where is this effort when you roll scum? It is fucking annoying to be one of 2-3 players on this site who really bother to play as scum. I certainly don't do it because I am enjoying it. Yet all I get for this is that I will be accused every fucking game for the stupidest shit while other people are able to just switch into townmode if they really get into trouble because they just don't bother to put in the same effort as scum. /rant not intentional, i agree it's a problem but i'm not actively nerfing my scum game to help my town game so i'm not really sure what to do about it :/ i would much rather have a strong scum game and not have a townie panic button, and i intend to make it happen | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote: If I had to apologize to anyone this game it would be probably Eden and Palmar besides what I talked with marv about. I was really hard on Eden and said some mean things to him during the course of the game, and I did bitch out on palmar at parts when I just didn't feel like dealing with the game. That's probably the part of my game i'm trying to work on the most but yea you good bro let's work on it together | ||
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Get that spark back homie. I wanna see the Koshi I used to look up to back in action | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:40 Palmar wrote: But yeah, I'm seriously never doing this again. i say i'm not, but who knows. i'm giving up on checking my filter length sorry to the crusty old folks ( ) who have told me it's a good idea, i tend to agree it is but i'm doing a poor job of it. next self-improvement project after i find out where this new peak ends | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Then why does everyone always compare my play to this game? . . . i am probably forgetting games, but when was the last time you were town? | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote: I don't even remember. Could actually be Imperial. and before that... lol i have a feeling people (unfairly) use imperial because it's the only one they can remember rofl | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:47 rsoultin wrote: -_- STOP JUDGING ME ON CAROL if we're going to get into this now lolol sick and tired of the "you're not aggressive townleadery enough" reads people keep making :/ i don't play the same every single game -superpseudorobikragefitofdoom- more seriously marv lol your meta is wrong there there is literally one way and one way only to judge rsoultin on meta it's to sheep me and then lynch me if i'm wrong | ||
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Eden1892
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my two postiest town games have nearly 2000 total posts in them i would bet all my scum games on site combined don't hit 1000 it is a HUGE problem with my meta and i don't like it at all. but there's only so much of it i can fix at once, y'know | ||
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On March 24 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote: eh i don't think you can blame people who try as scum? like there's a huge difference between just giving up the moment you see your role pm and >> being bad at it lol #HotTakes I actually don't think I'm bad scumsided. I'm just very obviously not as motivated / present / etc. which makes me very easy to catch if you've played with me before. I'm also demonstrably worse at it than I am as town, my scum game has always lagged behind my mafia game in terms of ability | ||
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Eden1892
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i nominate slam posting and several people actually giving reads on him (me included) | ||
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confirmed funniest moment | ||
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On March 24 2015 08:31 Fecalfeast wrote: this counts as a win for me, right? LOL | ||
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On March 24 2015 09:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is just a bunch of BS. I view this as a game of logic and lately i haven't seen much logic in this game. If this is how mafia is played nowadays then fine. Anyways it's not a game for me. so what was illogical about my argument on you re: your pushes on onegu? | ||
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Essentially my position has been the same all day. People I will lynch: 1. rayn 2. whoever rayn wants GOAT | ||
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On March 24 2015 22:05 prplhz wrote: i mean people keep going "IMBA IMBA" and "muh winrate" and stuff like that when, if the game is winnable with good analysis, people shouldn't worry about that at all. okay, so maybe sometimes you get a game that's somewhat mafia favoured and then you lose, big fucking deal? if you did some good analysis but then things didn't work out anyway because mafia had that extra edge then who cares about that really. AMEN i'm happy setup might have been mafia favored. makes the win that much more meaningful | ||
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On March 25 2015 03:33 Fecalfeast wrote: ya but I saved damdred's slot fecalfeast mvp Replacing into a >200pg thread and lynching scum in your only day alive? ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bp4l2CYIQAA5FdP.jpg) | ||
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mafia: godfather, framer, goon | ||
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