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On March 17 2015 22:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know what you are trying to say? Ok so this is how it goes. 1) marv uses a lie and say Onegu is mafia because he townreads you without reasons. 2) Koshi says marv is an idiot and a liar. 3) marv changes his reasoning and say Onegu is mafia because he interacts with rayn and then calls him town. 4) rayn says that isn't always the case and in that game they were masons. 5) marv changes his reasoning and says that in Guilty mafia Onegu reads rayn a certain way and doesn't do it the same way here, hence Onegu is mafia.
6) Koshi points out marv ignored the fact Onegu was wrong in Guilty mafia (so why would he continue reading rayn like that) and that Onegu didn't interact with rayn at all. (so marv his previous accusation that Onegu is mafia because he doesn't interact with rayn is wrong)tldr: marv keeps piling up the lies to call Onegu mafia.
The bolded part is the important here. It does not even matter if Onegu reads me town or mafia in that game. It matters that Onegu reads me in certain way which is what that read represents, which is not what this game's read represents.
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On March 17 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 22:41 Koshi wrote:On March 17 2015 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
i said right from the start i was just sheeping rayn.
this isn't a new secret Sure. While inserting lie after lie in the thread. while trying to persuade not a single person? hahaha. i said all day to vote for whoever people think is mafia, and i said ever since rayn made his big post that i would just sheep rayn. that is all
For reals that does not invalidate Koshi's point that both you and Palmar called Onegu's reasoning to have come after he hard townread me. You guys don't seem like you read his first post on me a townread like i did.
So in that regards Koshi actually is right...
Unless you explain.
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On March 17 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 17 2015 22:38 Koshi wrote:On March 17 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know what you are trying to say? Ok so this is how it goes. 1) marv uses a lie and say Onegu is mafia because he townreads you without reasons. 2) Koshi says marv is an idiot and a liar. 3) marv changes his reasoning and say Onegu is mafia because he interacts with rayn and then calls him town. 4) rayn says that isn't always the case and in that game they were masons. 5) marv changes his reasoning and says that in Guilty mafia Onegu reads rayn a certain way and doesn't do it the same way here, hence Onegu is mafia.
6) Koshi points out marv ignored the fact Onegu was wrong in Guilty mafia (so why would he continue reading rayn like that) and that Onegu didn't interact with rayn at all. (so marv his previous accusation that Onegu is mafia because he doesn't interact with rayn is wrong)tldr: marv keeps piling up the lies to call Onegu mafia. The bolded part is the important here. It does not even matter if Onegu reads me town or mafia in that game. It matters that Onegu reads me in certain way which is what that read represents, which is not what this game's read represents. Which certain way? The way Onegu reads you is how he presented it in this thread. And every past game I saw was a complete different situation. Show me why it is impossible town Onegu reads you town this way after 50 pages?
He uses more insight in his read. This game it is just a point after point where all the points are invalid and he should know that if he is that good at reading me. Like this is not about some specific tell that fails at some game, so you can't just say "Onegu might change his style of reading rayn from reasonable to stupid because he was wrong once".
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On March 17 2015 22:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 17 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2015 22:41 Koshi wrote:On March 17 2015 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
i said right from the start i was just sheeping rayn.
this isn't a new secret Sure. While inserting lie after lie in the thread. while trying to persuade not a single person? hahaha. i said all day to vote for whoever people think is mafia, and i said ever since rayn made his big post that i would just sheep rayn. that is all For reals that does not invalidate Koshi's point that both you and Palmar called Onegu's reasoning to have come after he hard townread me. You guys don't seem like you read his first post on me a townread like i did. So in that regards Koshi actually is right... Unless you explain. I took (maybe incorrectly) Onegu's soul-read incoming on you to mean a townread, which i already admitted last page or so was not right to do
the post came 13minutes before he made the actual read.
i don't know how does that changes things?
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On March 17 2015 22:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2015 22:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 17 2015 22:44 Koshi wrote:On March 17 2015 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 17 2015 22:38 Koshi wrote:On March 17 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know what you are trying to say? Ok so this is how it goes. 1) marv uses a lie and say Onegu is mafia because he townreads you without reasons. 2) Koshi says marv is an idiot and a liar. 3) marv changes his reasoning and say Onegu is mafia because he interacts with rayn and then calls him town. 4) rayn says that isn't always the case and in that game they were masons. 5) marv changes his reasoning and says that in Guilty mafia Onegu reads rayn a certain way and doesn't do it the same way here, hence Onegu is mafia.
6) Koshi points out marv ignored the fact Onegu was wrong in Guilty mafia (so why would he continue reading rayn like that) and that Onegu didn't interact with rayn at all. (so marv his previous accusation that Onegu is mafia because he doesn't interact with rayn is wrong)tldr: marv keeps piling up the lies to call Onegu mafia. The bolded part is the important here. It does not even matter if Onegu reads me town or mafia in that game. It matters that Onegu reads me in certain way which is what that read represents, which is not what this game's read represents. Which certain way? The way Onegu reads you is how he presented it in this thread. And every past game I saw was a complete different situation. Show me why it is impossible town Onegu reads you town this way after 50 pages? He uses more insight in his read. This game it is just a point after point where all the points are invalid and he should know that if he is that good at reading me. Like this is not about some specific tell that fails at some game, so you can't just say "Onegu might change his style of reading rayn from reasonable to stupid because he was wrong once". Hmm. Which way should Onegu have read you? How should it have looked like? I am looking at those 5 points and I somewhat agree with Onegu. It might be a bit lazy. But it is fine. And please remember there was a serious EUREKA tone in this post from Onegu as well concerning rayn, this somewhat shows town!Onegu still thinking and being critical about raynpelikoneet and not scum!Onegu sitting on his earlier townread: Show nested quote +On March 14 2015 10:00 Onegu wrote:
Here for a bit, will be here much more tonight.
Another Rayn soul read for I am the FUCKING RAYN WISPERER.
Rayn doesn't fakeclaim as mafia only as town. Rayn town 100%
@ritoky lets lynch prplhz. Like the only reason I see to think he is town is because marv says so. I expect Ryan's reads to jump everywhere but not prplhz. Plus he has been completely forgettable this game.
Like i said i would expect him to try to work with me and actually figure me out instead of just being there. Maybe he read me wrong in Guilty game because he didn't. Especially AFTER he made his read i would expect him to try work with me, which he hasn't done. Like yes, he voted for JAT, but he'd have to do that anyways as i said.
I don't really count the last post as a towntell either, just because i fakeclaimed in that BitchCraft game as mafia to save Umasi. Onegu was in that game and SURELY was following that game after his death because we -- mafia -- just pushed a lynch on him and he was frustrated he could not convince the town i was mafia.
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yes i could vote for prplhz.
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On March 17 2015 23:01 Koshi wrote:
No. We vote for marv.
no we don't.
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Koshi that's not really how it works.
I want to lynch mafia. Here, today. The only times i don't really care are when i have surely deduced mafia to a number of players where whoever we lynch does not lose the game for us. This is not the situation here.
I think we need Onegu, prplhz, and Eden here. I am not going to lynch marv no matter how much you think he is scum.
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Koshi do you have anything else on prplhz other than what i said in my post yesterday?
Like some smart quotes. The apathy argument and all that jizz i don't 100% believe in.
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marv handling JAT with kid gloves sounds nasty. 
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Why do some people have FF as possible mafia when there is no way he is mafia?
prplhz and Eden? Or was it Eden? or Onegu, i have to check.
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On March 16 2015 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Damdred is definitely town wtf guys. His check on rsoultin makes perfect sense given the thread direction at EON + his prior feeling that our interactions were weird. Trust me I've read his filter 50 times trying to prove he's mafia and this is all 100% consistent with his check.
I think this is a really bad point because the check actually was REALLY badly reasoned as pointed out by me in thread.
Like Eden seems to be taking too much things at face value.
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prplhz if you are town you do not quit here.
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The play and explain why you are town.
There are arguments against you from me and Koshi.
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On March 17 2015 23:46 prplhz wrote:
like koshi's arguments were just a list of stuff i wrote recently and then he tried to spin it mafia
There is one goos point there and that is you don't really take any hard stances when you vote for people.
Like you just vote someone, that's how it looks like...
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On March 17 2015 23:54 prplhz wrote:
alright about your arguments
(1)this game didn't turn out like other games. i also didn't want to directly interact a lot with the same guy because in my last two games i just ended up being angry. so i tried a new approach this game where i just played and then didn't interact so much and honestly i think it's gone pretty alright. at least i didn't get lynched d1.
(2)my post about "mysteriously converged on jat" happened after the lynch was sealed iirc. checking it out it came right before he claimed medic, i guess maybe that doesn't look good but what can i say? i think hardly anybody defended him d1 and i thought that was a little weird.
(3)about damdred i was confused. i did look into him but found him to be townie enough for whatever reasons i don't remember. i don't think it's fair to expect me to say "i will look into damdred now because of rso night kill" and then blame me for not scum reading damdred.
(4)about reading onegu town for vt claim, if you read my filter you will see that i flip flopped on this a lot. i believed it first, then didn't, then in that jokey post i said "if i just believe every simple stupid tell about people then this is where i'm at".
(5)i generally want to keep people like you alive d1 but in this game there are tons of people who can single handedly win the game so there's less reason to keep you alive just because of that.
(1) fair enough.
(2) but here my argument was that what happened between the JAT train start and your post you don't really push your read on JAT. at that point you can't even know if someone is going to defend him or not. If you read my post i i stated you don't really reconsider anything (me, after i have posted explanations to marv's case) and you don't follow up your read on JAT in any way, like it looks like the opposite, that you don't even think he is mafia, from your posting at that time.
(3) I would have expected you to explain why Damdred looks town there. Like it's only natural to to tell the reasons if you change your mind. I am not sure i buy this because now you "don't remember". I don't blame you for reading him town, i blame you for looking like you don't actually have any reasons for your read at that time.
(4) fair enough
(5) I am not sure what you say here is genuine. Like who are those players? marv, Palmar and Koshi, besides me? What if they are all mafia? What if two of them is mafia? What if marv is mafia, i get lynched and Palmar gets shot on N1? Like i don't really think your reasoning adds up here.
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On March 17 2015 23:59 prplhz wrote:
really i think koshi's post on me was ridiculous
yes for the most parts it is.
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My main point is i can get this:
"i didn't want to directly interact a lot with the same guy because in my last two games i just ended up being angry. so i tried a new approach this game where i just played and then didn't interact so much"
but that doesn't look like that's what you are doing because "not interacting much" != "not really care" which is what your play imo looks more like.
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On March 18 2015 00:07 Palmar wrote:
since 2012 marv has been lynched once after day 1.
Let's make history boys.
tempting to do that again.
but no. i don't think he is scum.
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On March 18 2015 00:12 prplhz wrote:
(2) i remember you explained yourself and i remember not being impressed. i kind of follow up my own read? in that damdred tells me that meta thing is WRONG and then i tell him it's NOT! wrong. i don't know why me thinking jat isn't mafia at that point in the game (or at any point in the game) points at me being mafia. if you think i was trying to guide people away from lynching my scumbuddy with a one liner 10 minutes before deadline then you're a little crazy.
I mean this:
After you vote for me you argue on JAT being mafia in two posts. You don't argue me being mafia at all despite your vote being on me. That makes me think you at least think there is a really decent chance JAT is scum, why else would you "push" an opposing wagon as town?
When JAT wagon picks up steam you say these things:
On March 11 2015 03:03 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2015 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
Damdred's question about ray is great. Good job.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: justanothertownie why justanothertownie what happened to your instinct?
On March 11 2015 03:32 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2015 02:56 Eden1892 wrote:
Damdred's question about ray is great. Good job.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: justanothertownie seriously this is the most nonsense post in the game
On March 11 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2015 04:41 rsoultin wrote:
lol i didnt get much from it except a light eden townread for his outburst in the middle xP and yeah prp prob town/not todays lynch wasn't eden/townpuppy way more useful in titanic mafia? like way way more useful
And only then you start arguing why i am a better lynch than JAT is while you even say you don't get the me/Damdred/LS argument at all. It's like:
- when rayn is being lynched -> argue why JAT is mafia
- when JAT becomes the lynch target -> argue why rayn + Eden are mafia
I don't really get that and it doesn't seem natural.
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