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On March 02 2015 08:35 Palmar wrote: Btw, I'm going to suggest we keep a massively no-nonsense town atmosphere this game with strong emphasis on policy lynching people who refuse to take part in the game. Every vote should be backed with reasons, there should be absolutely no trolling of any kind. Lying, fake claims etc should all be punished with a lynch. It's going to make for such a better environment to scumhunt in if we actively discourage shennies. On March 02 2015 08:13 Palmar wrote: Yeah shit guys I rolled mafia this time, so don't expect anything. Yeah, you're fucked either way. ##Vote: Palmar | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:48 Trfel wrote: Hey, I play Protoss, that's insulting..... I'm liking a Palmar lynch right now. Why? | ||
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On March 02 2015 09:48 Trfel wrote: Hey, I play Protoss, that's insulting..... I'm liking a Palmar lynch right now. What happened to this? | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:45 Palmar wrote: ritoky switch or I lynch you tomorrow. K we're on the same page. | ||
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Also RSO probably mafia for OGI reasons. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote: you're supposed to be good at reading prp, palmar, so how certain are you? What's the point of this question? I'm smelling a town flip coming. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote: lol you're a dumbass super But am I mafia? | ||
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Nah. Town or mafia. Lay it on me.  | ||
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I did. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:59 rsoultin wrote: they may both be scum. palmar's reason is good enough and ill get back to you after flip, super xP why you'd expect me to have a read on you right now is amusing I didn't expect shit, I just wanted to see what you'd do. | ||
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On March 04 2015 07:59 Palmar wrote: When prplhz flips town (this is a crapshoot lynch) rsoultin, robik ritoky are mafia. I used the alphabet to determine this. Pretty much. I honestly think this game is pretty near solved, tbh. I don't think slam is ever mafia here. I think RSO is probably mafia from that vote. I think there's 2/3 in that list, probably 1 in MM/Onegu/Lurker or some shit. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote: nah you're probably right ritoky, cause I was getting the same feel off slam that said...suuuuuper I think you've just made my scum list congratsI'm not worried.  | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:10 rsoultin wrote: And another completely dumbass thought. Mafia!rsoul was on town!slam and decided to switch to town!prplhz and get him lynched last minute cause that's so what scumlets do. If/when slam flips scum, then you've got a case dumbass xP Yup. They do. If both wagons are on town (very very likely), scum has every incentive to switch. | ||
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On March 04 2015 08:18 rsoultin wrote: yes twit is an actual word o.0 Not looking back at the votes, but MM and Super seem most likely -rolls around the thread- MM because he promised to sheep Robik, then didn't when the vote was on slam, which is interesting. And you because I think Palmar believed his lynch, but you're shit this game. Interestingly, you never mentioned MM at all during the thread. The fact that you're not conflicted on someone like robik is mind boggling if you're town. But you're not. Interaction between rso and ritoky suggests mafia distancing or one of them being town. Fact that it took a while for them to start "fighting" post-lynch may indicate QT. | ||
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Town leadership of 3 with extra KP. They designate 1 person per day, that person has to spam thread to override post count and be modkilled. Refuse and be policy lynched. => 2 KP during day. Thoughts? | ||
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On March 04 2015 12:42 rsoultin wrote: Idiot -_- obviously this all hinges on Slam being scum, and quite obviously if Slam is scum MM is way more suspicious on than Robik who...voted for scum. Like, I have a hard time believing you're this stupid. You asked for a scumteam if Slam was scum then pretend this list was anything else? lol wow Which is your world. That's why it doesn't make any sense. Also Robik voted for prp. | ||
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- Mafia slam did not vote to save himself. EITHER: - Mafia was willing to bus slam d1. - OR mafia switched to prp wagon to save slam. The first makes zero sense because the scumreads on Slam were weak as fuck. Like Ritoky had essentially 0 reads. His reason for voting slam was "because he looked as his filter and was like 'is this all?'". REALLY?? The second doesn't line up with a mafia agenda because why the fuck would slam leave it to his mafia partners to save him when he could've done that himself by voting on prp. Literally the dumbest thing ever which reveals intermafia connections. NOT ONLY THAT. Most of the votes on slam were incredibly town. You were asked to point out two of the mafia on prp. You pointed out me and MM. You completely neglected Snickers for no good reason. Just checked your filter. You were very iffy on snickers earlier during the day. That completely evaporated after trfl tried to push on him for absolutely. Moreover, the fact that there was no doubt from you on robik or snickers, people voting on prp and off slam (mafia in your world) is ridiculous. Vigi, I've done your work. Easy hit. | ||
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On March 04 2015 13:00 rsoultin wrote: (you still asked who was scum if slam was; stop playing dumb on that count) This is literally your read. Also I'm going to stop posting because else the mods will do the job mafia is supposed to do. See you guys on the morrow. Or not. I've made my stance clear. | ||
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 Also apologies to RSO, who is probably town here. | ||
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Honestly, I think mafia was probably bussing slam from the start. The universal direction of the wagon and the easy by which it took off was ridiculous. I expect no scum team is going to roll over like that. They did. So they want to take as much credit from the flip as possible. I think there's at most 1 mafia on the vote on prp. I think it's probably robik. Robik needs to claim PR or die. I also don't know why ritoky is being universally hard townread. I don't recall his case on slam being that strong. I recall him saying at the end of the day "slam's presence is meh, let's lynch him". After the wagon was all but established. The fact that he's being so adamant and loud about this lynch, a lynch not even based on any read whatsoever, reinforces my current belief that ritoky was bussing slam. The only thing actually working in his favor is him shouting after the flip, which indicates that he might have still been iffy on prp. Let me reiterate, ritoky did not have any substantial reads during d1. He joins the wagon on slam after it has been all but established with an absolutely ambiguous reason. Proceeds to be absolutely adamant about this lynch without any hesitation or doubt. I want to know where this guy is at. | ||
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Scum don't roll over, even though they kinda are doing that this game. Bussing d1 is so garbage. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:21 Snickers wrote: Def shouldn't direct Where you at in this game? | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:26 Damdred wrote: Super have you looked at the vote count? He wasn't universally voted really, if oats was active could of went either way with slam being meh there. if the scum team was in full bus mode who is the scum on slam? Like it doesn't fucking matter. The whole day was basically spent on scumreading slam. Before Palmar came into the thread, was there really any danger of a switch to another? No. So scum knows it is very likely that slam is flipping scum. Day fucking 1. So they just spread their votes and hope something else happens? No fucking way. They congregate on their partner. Or at least 1 does. To get some town cred. Town is very likely going to look into the other pile. What better defense is there than "I killed mafia"? This is a game. If scum does not capitalize on a partner dying d1 then I'm literally done. | ||
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Robik needs to claim or die today. Probably just die. Then we get our cop to check ritoky and we win the game. Like I'll re-evaluate some filters tomorrow but it's probably not even necessary. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:34 Damdred wrote: That did not answer my question at all like...literally a whole lot of angry words for a nom answer Then you did not pose a question. What's your question? You're evaluating the final post-count. Look at the point around when Ritoky voted, and the general consensus. Palmar lead and made the switch. Palmar was town. Scum can not count on that. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote: You ninjas me. I never called any of you scum though. I'm not understanding where all of this pent of anger is coming from trfel shot mafia and people are being needlessly abrasive for no fucking reason. I'm happy that mafia got hit. I'm very unhappy with my play. I'm genuinely also very unhappy with the way mafia has played this game. I don't understand why you would ever want to bus d1. I think it's a shit strategy. Amalgamation of both these things is probably making me abrasive. Though I do like that read, I've also felt that some people have been needlessly unhappy (don't really recall whom, though). | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:41 Damdred wrote: Like seriously the only real solution is a mafia team that is afk or is in bus mode or a good pair of scum I understand slam being afk for rolling mafia 2x in a row. IDK about the rest. I refuse to live in a world where scum just afks. Or the strategy is literally "let's hope town doesn't vote for us". I just really don't want to play that sort of mafia, it's boring and non-interactive. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:44 rsoultin wrote: Meh, I think it's short-sighted to assume that no mafia is on prp there Super. I'm not sold on your alignment at all and just shelving it cause I know i'm biased. But you're sure MM is town, too? I find that hard to believe. You don't think Oats on his lonesome could possibly be scum? I dislike this limiting options thing, especially when it encourages people not to look at you. And you really have no right to say anything to damdred when you were saying I chose to call attention to myself in the most moronic way possible by switching from one town wagon to another as scum. Talk about zero sense. I'm not sure on any of the people you mentioned. But like I said before, I refuse to play a game of mafia as town where the mafia team literally afks or does nothing. The entire team. I'm not assuming there's no mafia on prp. I'm literally calling robik mafia. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:57 rsoultin wrote: So what you're trying to say is that there should be an active mafia in there somewhere? That's fair. I mean...RNG is RNG and some of these players don't play much regardless (as I understand) but you'd think there'd be some sort of counter push to a lynch on scum. TBF slam wasn't just inactive, but I'm not going to go into the meta again. Like there really wasn't a lot of difference between this game and the last one he rolled scum in. That's exactly what I was expecting. And another part of the reason why I thought the wagon on slam was a miss. And why slam was town by definition. Also I'm not disputing the arguments on slam. You guys were obviously right. | ||
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On March 05 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote: Lol, I'm trying not to be a complete tunneled ass. Read Student V and you'll see why. Or Damdred can just tell you. Really I could care less what you think, anyway, cause if you're town your estimation in my eyes has plummeted significantly. You were much more interesting and better the last two games I played with you. That's harsh but probably fair to a degree. I'm severely disappointed that I was completely wrong and did not get N1ed. That being said, I'm still town and can still provide valuable input. Not my strongest game but I'm probably at least right on Robik. | ||
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Literally the dumbest shit ever. | ||
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I did not mean to say that the people voting on slam were townie. I think they were scummy. Let me go over again why I voted for slam. Last time: - People I thought were scummy were voting for slam. Ritoky and partially prp/onegu. - People I thought were townie were voting for prp. Snickers/Palmar. - The wagon on slam was weak and uncontested. This is my current argument as to why I think scum was bussing slam. | ||
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On March 06 2015 07:14 rsoultin wrote: What was that predicated on, Super? I'm not seeing Robik in the thread at the time so the read seems to have come entirely out of left field. What makes Robik meek rather than simply AFK at that time? From reading his filter d1. | ||
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On March 06 2015 07:39 rsoultin wrote: Lol, so...in the last minute of the day before the lynch, while you're on who you think is scum and are trying to get people to switch, you're reading Robik's filter? Or thinking about Robik at all? That's pretty strange, Super. I mean, I suffer from stray thoughts sometimes, but not only is that a stray thought; it has nothing to do with the more important things going on in the thread at the time. So why would you post it? Because Palmar mentioned it and I agreed with him. | ||
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I think I've put down my thoughts pretty well. I haven't really checked any filters since EoN1 since I've been pretty frustrated and by extension tired. I still think it's very possible ritoky is mafia. Brings up the logic today that mafia for sure switched to save prp, but has no problem easily townreading RSO. Like there are so many contradictions and absolutes in his filter it's not even funny. | ||
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Damd - Town. Probably. Honestly, there is some questionable logic in his filter, such as calling both me and rso scum at EoN1. He also mentioned that scum don't defend one another when that person is almost for sure are going, but seemed to have some trouble with my bus logic. IDK. He's probably just town though. One of the only persons who seemed to have really evaluated my alignment. rso - Town. Probably. I really don't want to live in the world where mafia is part of the small minority who seems to genuinely question my alignment. Also during EoN1 she called my play uninspiring and boring (something like that). I don't think rso would do that to a townie as mafia. trfel - Town. Vigi. Genuinely asking questions etc. Onegu - Meh. Lean mafia or something. He pings out both ritoky and robik, but barely. Seems completely fixated on the world in which all scum is on the prp wagon, which doesn't seem like it'd come from a town perspective (lack of evaluation, and game is never that easy, ever). And exactly like it'd come from a mafia bus perspective. Ritoky - Meh. I still would like to believe he is mafia. And part of me still does. But reading his filter atm makes me doubt it a little. He did call for the vigi shot on slam. His push on slam was a bit harder than I remembered. But ugh, gut says this guy is mafia. Please don't let him live if it comes to final 3. But atm I don't think he's mafia, lol. MM1 - Ugh. Maybe town? for agreeing on lynching Robik, who is 250% mafia. Doesn't hand pick the lynches straight from the people who voted on prp, but seems to have reasons behind each of them. I kind of dislike how he was willing to "sheep" robik d1, and then call him scum d2. But I don't think scum sheeps scum, especially in that situation. So at least they're never together. Look into him if Robik flips town. Oats - Probably town for agreeing to lynch Robik and evaluating me (and reaching the correct conclusion, lol). He does confine the list of lynches to the people who voted on Slam, which is probably incorrect (100% at least 1 scum outside). But at least he's actually evaluating. Snickers - Town. Probably. Yeah. His reads line up with mine (aside from him scum-reading me), so he's probably town. Though he missed my sickest logic ever. So meh. Shitty town. Robik - Mafia. I've said it before and I'll say it again. He's mafia. His play and style has been meek. Town robik gets mad fast and is active. This robik has been nowhere. His caps spree looked incredibly forced. Lynch him tomorrow. ASAP. That's all folks. I'll be playing a dota 2 tournament. I'll post the link when it's up. ;p | ||
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I just wish town listened during d2. x: | ||
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Yolo is you only live once. Once used seriously, now it's usually used in a jokingly, over the top sort of way. "Yoloswag" would be similar to "superswag" or "megaswag". That's about as serious as I can get about the topic. | ||
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On March 13 2015 11:03 Snickers wrote: why did anyone read ritoky town. Specifically day one. Someone later said he was acting towny. And people think nks are wifom.... I wanted to kill ritoky d1. I wanted to kill ritoky d2. Though I pussied out near EoD2 after no one took my logic srsly. | ||
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On March 13 2015 11:11 Snickers wrote: Also if you give one fuck about my opinion. Town lost cause no one was leading it. And a lot of people are just bad. Kill people that can potentially make a play. And then you can just mess with the rest. I was perfectly willing to lead town. But hey. I had you as town pretty much the entire game. Idk why you got lynched. Idk why you would ever get lynched over many others. | ||
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Honestly if there's anything that town can take away from this game it's that the game is never as easy as you think it is. The mafia are never going to be hard aligning that quickly. Especially after the wagon on slam formed uncontested d1. The person who led the switch (Palmar) even flipped town n1. In the end, you guys went for a team consisting on MM1 and Oats. Essentially going for the world in which mafia did nothing. And town was 100% correct and awesome. When the super straightforward almost-everyone-on-board wagon during d1 flips mafia. Mafia has voted on that wagon. Always (99%). When it's obvious that town led the switch from mafia to town d1, you evaluate from that position. Mafia's agenda is to look as good as possible post-flip. From my perspective this was super obvious d2. After I flip town EoD2, this is the world you look at. | ||
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