Mafia Mini Mafia: a miniature game of mafia

On March 05 2015 12:59 KelsierSC wrote:
I bet its a palmar smurf

On March 05 2015 14:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
WHY NOT 00:00 GMT (+00:00)? midnight's not that bad suck it up

On March 06 2015 09:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

By taking the game semi-seriously and then someone says something that interests other people and then people talk about it which leads to other things and then we talk about them. Like we have been talking about you. At some point you can tell who is presenting genuine thoughts and who is not.

Like, do you believe captain fail REALLY believes Tormented is town because "mindmeld", when Tormented made a same post he did after 17 minutes? Do you think it is a genuine thought that the most reasonable explanation is that Tormented is in fact town for it? Why does he not consider the possibility of Tormented wanting to lick his ass by "making similar points he does"?

For me it is a HUUUGE red mark when someone says exactly what i have said before instead of "yeah i agree with rayn". Because that is actually contributing without bringing anything new to the table.

On March 06 2015 12:28 Holyflare wrote:


have you ever looked at my profile....?

On March 06 2015 13:05 Mocsta wrote:
Ve

Hi

On March 06 2015 13:11 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
its fake money doe, like they want me to wire it to someone and then get charged in overdraft when the check bounced.

On March 06 2015 13:28 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
oh noes, how could I ever have hoped to escape from VE and his all seeing eyes. GG no Re

On March 06 2015 10:34 Mocsta wrote:
Not sure bud (hf)
Got bored reading the first couple pages so didn't get much of it
To be honest was surprised I got a role pm without confirmation request. So was double shocked game started.

On March 06 2015 14:14 Holyflare wrote:


it's not like robik/mocsta +++ aren't guilty of the same thing

On March 06 2015 13:38 Mocsta wrote:
Ve

I would vote u if I wasn't too lazy to do brackets on a phone

Totally broke the first to be srs is mafia rule.

On March 06 2015 14:21 Holyflare wrote:
why is nobody voting gb? he's obvious mafia at this point in time

On March 06 2015 14:23 _Tormented_ wrote:


He may very well be, but training anyone at this time unless we are certain they are scum will just limit our information going forward. If he is mafia, do you think that makes soren town for sure?

On March 06 2015 14:31 _Tormented_ wrote:
I will hold off until I hear his response, but I do see your points.

On March 06 2015 14:34 yamato77 wrote:

VE plz

On March 06 2015 14:56 Mocsta wrote:
##vote: glowingbear

Cos he's first to be srs

On March 06 2015 15:56 your mom wrote:


Don't like this post cause VE seems so convinced on a guy being mafia just cause MM talked about something game irrelevant.

I'll have to give him the opt-out to say that he said that to make him post about the game, but I'm not convinced that this is reason enough to believe MM is mafia.

On March 06 2015 16:51 yamato77 wrote:
I remain thoroughly unconvinced

I'm honestly more suspicious of your mom.

heh

On March 06 2015 17:05 Holyflare wrote:


pretty sure he's talking about mm case

On March 06 2015 17:06 yamato77 wrote:

folded meekly when responded to with a strong opinion

oblivious to thread atmosphere

I'm honestly thinking it's like kush or something

On March 06 2015 17:11 yamato77 wrote:

that is true, and also a reason I haven't mentioned it before now

it's honestly not that strong, I simply used it as an illustrative point

On March 06 2015 17:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato goes to townpile

On March 06 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Going to give where I'm at so far in the game.

GB does a lot of stupid shit and the reasons for his reads are bad. But he has admitted that he gives people town/mafia reads for less than stellar reasons and so it is not alignment indicative. Of the people who have voted him I don't know how often Soren has played with him but I imagine HF and VE have played more than one game with him. In fact I know that VE has played with GB before in imperial.

HF is being very aggressive about the GB lynch . He could do this as mafia but I think it is more likely he is town.
VE is my top scum read and here is why.

Firstly he made this post


I don't think this is a good enough reason to confirm rayn as town. Like all it does is explain why a read is bad, mafia rayn could easily do this and it feels like a soft reason to kiss rayn's ass.



Apparently MM1 is dripping with mafia. ok would be good to get an explanation of it.

But then he switches to GB for no reason that I can see, and again I believe that VE can not think the case made by HF is actually good.





And then a switch onto GB without an explanation, I don't think he can believe the case from HF is good. This also feels like an overjustification of a switch. Like "LOOK I SWITCHED WHICH IS WHAT MAFIA WOULDN'T DO, PAY ATTENTION" it's like he is trying to get ahead of someone calling him scummy.

Robik I have a question for you.
When did you decide that GB was town?

On March 06 2015 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote:

I think it more likely makes Robik town.

Observe how he blithely asks the threads permission to vote for Robik. Ugh. Maybe I WILL vote GB. But MM1 is still screaming mafia.

On March 07 2015 00:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well that was a weird answer from ve.

On March 07 2015 01:07 GlowingBear wrote:


The game has more than 12 hours and all that he has done was joking.
His reaction to my joke was over the natural, it just sounded like he was trying to deflect any kind of discussion

On March 07 2015 00:53 your mom wrote:


Why did you exaggerate, in retrospect?

On March 07 2015 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE have you read all of the game?

On March 07 2015 03:31 IAmRobik wrote:

I claimed it earlier. I literally claimed it TO YOU.

let me quote:

On March 07 2015 03:35 Soren333 wrote:

It would be funny if these two turn out to be scum buddies.

On March 07 2015 03:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Town claim (nsfw):

+ Show Spoiler +

it's a town claim because i'd never do it as mafia...or never have done it as mafia...and this time is no exception

On March 08 2015 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vote for kelsier. He is mafia after all.

On March 08 2015 07:10 GlowingBear wrote:


VE, I have no idea what your reads are and you're voting Kelsier with Rayn when Rayn's argument was already debunked.
If you're not disinterested than you're mafia.

On March 08 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:


I do not want to read you as Mafia. I want to know your alignment. And you're not helping me. Why would I ever WANT to read you as Mafia?

See, all I know from you is that you think Rayn is town for one single post, that MM1 was dripping scum but easily changed your vote because of a mock case holyflare made on me (by the way, it is weird that he isn't on your skin for that), then you sheeped Rayn for a faulty case he has made on Kelsier and did not try AT ALL to reevaluate that.

You can understand why I find this AT LEAST suspicious, right?

On March 08 2015 07:29 GlowingBear wrote:


Then you have to explain why aren't you voting Tormented or MM1, because they had very similar behaviours.

On March 08 2015 07:29 Soren333 wrote:

If you have reasonings then explain them

On March 07 2015 04:16 _Tormented_ wrote:
Wow that was a lot.....So basically we are looking at GB and Kelsier mainly?

I still read GB as leaning town, although I would be interested see why he thinks Robik is mafia. Robik has done pretty much nothing so far, so unless it is something meta, I would like to see GB's reasons for this.

Kelsier seemed a bit overly aggressive in his mafia reads on VE and captain fail. Would drawing that much attention to yourself after coming into the thread late be something mafia would do?

On March 08 2015 07:34 Soren333 wrote:


I don't see how Ray is PROVEN town through his post. I also read him town, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that he is proven to be town.

Reasons for MM1?

Kelsier is suspicious for making a case as his first post based on trivial things and then not really doing much after that, so I agree with your point there.

On March 08 2015 07:35 captain fail wrote:
But you are willing to vote him now?

On March 08 2015 07:37 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
its cause you did basically the exact same thing in an earlier game and I believe i pushed back and you ended up being town.

On March 08 2015 07:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Everything you are saying now is contradictory, VE...

On March 08 2015 07:47 GlowingBear wrote:
We can deal with VE tomorrow damdy.
Let's decide between Soren, Tormented, Mocsta and Yamato

On March 08 2015 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
Why would cop check you after kelsier made his case on you?

On March 08 2015 08:32 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Ve if its any condolence, at least my meta read on you was correct!

On March 08 2015 08:34 GlowingBear wrote:


So was I.

On March 08 2015 08:45 Holyflare wrote:
Can check me if you want although I'll probably end up shot. Rayn probs mafia yo.

On March 08 2015 08:46 Holyflare wrote:
You also don't know torment or sorens alignment so we could have also been pushing mafia

On March 08 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote:
Not putting it past him to do what i did in that one mafia game

On March 09 2015 01:09 Damdred wrote:
Nah I'm self aware and I know if I played like this d1 instalynched.

I know what makes me scummy though it's still a fair point that I made and it wasn't teasing was a serious point

On March 09 2015 01:17 Damdred wrote:


Meta wise more likely mafia in theory. But doesn't make me mafia in practice because of time constraints etc.,

On March 09 2015 01:25 Damdred wrote:
3 pages is really invested for me let me tell you.

On March 09 2015 01:36 Damdred wrote:
Btw mafia damdred would probably hammer Rob instead of call him town probably. Or super bus kel I like bussing admittedly

On March 09 2015 00:59 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I surfed because I had no time to play to my standards but still wanted to play meh. Anyway sorry ff.

I guess ill take a second to at least give some actual thoughts in case I get vig killed for acting bad this game.

I think GB has a good shot at being Scum here. If you look in his filter you can see him slightly defending kel and always has him really far down his lynch list and suddenly is willing to lynch him and when maybe shenanigans are going to happen tries to actively move votes off of kel. Also the case on hf is pretty strange in how GB pushes it. If you look at how he normally pushes cases he's like a dog and never lets it go. I'd check him for sure or just lynch him.

Yamato I still see as town.

I think honestly last Scum is tormented or soren and I'm leaning towards soren because of how he played the field a bit and kept Luis options open like he did. Tormented can be Scum here to though he is usually really smart with how he posts and not lurky at least to these standards.

Ym is town to me. Hf probably is to.

Any questions before I go back to work

On March 09 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:


Yeah?

GB is Mafia for convoluted reasons?
Tormented is Mafia because they played 32 games together yet you tried to start a wagon and he decided he should stay in VE and never commented on Tormented?
Same thing about Soren?

Do you call these reads? I call then bullshit

On March 09 2015 02:05 GlowingBear wrote:


Same point could be raised regarding your mom and Soren.

On March 09 2015 02:10 Holyflare wrote:
Well we are guaranteed to have a cop so i don't really care whatever it is

On March 09 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote:


It might be afk mm1, it might be afk tormented, it might be afker soren who bussed it might be afk mocsta who complains that there was no information to talk about and left instead of generating content.

It might be a lot of people and you are coming to conclusions that aren't necessarily true. Damd might not have joined a town torment wagon because he's played 32 games with him and would look bad if he flipped town. Torment might also be mafia. A cop check is the best way to clear it up instead of the tunneling one conclusion path.

On March 09 2015 02:18 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred is 100% mafia and ia getting shot. You were talking about torment being mafia with him based off of gb's posts.

On March 09 2015 02:20 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred is getting shot without a doubt in my mind.

On March 09 2015 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
Yeh that's the logical conclusion...

On March 09 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote:
"hf knows damdred is getting shot despite there being a claim vig and only a mafia hf would know that a claimed vig was telling the truth or not and if he'd get rb'd!" - ve 2015

On March 09 2015 02:35 Holyflare wrote:


If you think I'm the dumbest mafia in the history of mafia, sure, you can believe the first scenario. Hence all logic out of the window.

On March 09 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't understand your logic in waiting for the cop check before talking.
I find it bs.

On March 09 2015 02:42 Damdred wrote:
Well I'm not mafia but I'm probably getting shot anyway.

I'm sorry played badly I smurfed for good reasons meh and the reasons GB is mafia in my eyes isn't that consulted honestly.

On March 09 2015 04:25 Damdred wrote:
I can just like I could see Sl bussing gd and I just looked through soren filter there's not much reasoning there IDK what you are seeing around when he votes

On March 09 2015 04:30 Damdred wrote:
Because people who aren't on mafia godfather would look bad and his wagon was viableish

On March 08 2015 08:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kelsier was the Godfather. Players who were active in trying to remove votes from the flipped GF:

GlowingBear
captain fail
MM1
Holyflare

They can't all be mafia. From my perspective, at least one of them will be though - GF is powerful because Cop is the only recurring power we have and GF is the only reliable defense against him. The mafia team would have wanted to preserve the GF. So from my perspective, it's our job to determine which of them ARE NOT mafia, and then lynch the rest.

On March 09 2015 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dying will.
But i agree and also remove gb.

On March 09 2015 09:59 GlowingBear wrote:


Hahaha

I could make a list on why Holyflare is Mafia, but I don't think I'll be able to upload it without zipping

On March 09 2015 13:21 yamato77 wrote:
welp

gg

On March 09 2015 09:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
You don't hope for scum to concede, you hope to find and lynch him while he still thinks he can win so the victory doesn't feel hollow and meaningless. Jeez GB.

On March 09 2015 13:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Also sorry about the early deadline but it seems it didn't matter since scum never showed up anyway

On March 09 2015 14:55 Holyflare wrote:


At least you didn't shoot me i guess