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On February 03 2015 07:51 Damdred wrote: /in Eden don't be mafia bro I don't want to mang | ||
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On February 03 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote: Placeholder - Roles Roles will be up in the next hour. Last edit: 2015-02-02 16:27:49 17:27 holdin u 2 it | ||
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On February 03 2015 06:59 Half the Sky wrote: Signup List: 1 Breshke 2 Eden1892 3 rsoultin 4 LightningStrike 5 Onegu 6 Damdred 7 Palmar 8 marvellosity 9 sicklucker 10 batsnacks 11 Koshi 12 Holyflare 13 justanothertownie (pending ruling) Omg All it's missing is Artanis and Blazinghand | ||
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And Robik cohost + sitout. nothing about this can go wrong.jpg | ||
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thats why we make robik do penance by cohosting in your stead | ||
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On February 03 2015 10:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: WHY AREN'T YOU PEOPLE SIGNING UP FOR JACK? that game starts in like a month mang also do you really want me to sign up? | ||
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On February 04 2015 00:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'll just make sure she RNGs the rolls again in case Eden doesn't roll scum. I will be mafia if rso is also mafia | ||
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On February 04 2015 02:55 rsoultin wrote: lol is that an expression of love or hate, senpai? Adoration On February 04 2015 03:06 Damdred wrote: Please roll hf, damdred and eden as mafia and we will shoot eden A+ Do it | ||
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On February 04 2015 03:14 Hapahauli wrote: Is it just me, or does this seem like one of those 500 page games? Unlikely given we have 13 players, but I could see it going to like... 150-200 | ||
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On February 04 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote: Blessed be the RNG for I was blind, and now I see that preference' hand's deeply unkind: it harms the soul and warps the mind. Only my dice are normal, true, and force unbiased followthrough. So when I chose my roles this day, in RNGesus' name I pray. AMEN /obs beautiful | ||
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Half the Sky United Kingdom found it | ||
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On February 04 2015 07:11 batsnacks wrote: I'm 9 i believe this | ||
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On February 04 2015 07:10 marvellosity wrote: too old. how's 30 treating you DISCLAIMER: i don't know how old marv is | ||
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i have nothing witty to say about your age but this completes my first pg of filter so now everyone can know my post count by starting to read on p2 all further responses to people before the game starts will be edited into this post edit1: almost... 40? | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:08 rsoultin wrote: Lol, if you didn't think it was a good idea, why did you claim it? xP Mindgames | ||
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marv is that a cc? :SSSSSSSSSSS | ||
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there can be only one RATINGS THUNDERDOME | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:13 Onegu wrote: 3k posts: 3002 WHIFFED | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:13 Onegu wrote: Why can I never roll blue in normals? It's always either scum or VT... scumread | ||
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not the kenpachi rule you claimed vt OR SCUM kenpachi rule is if you claim green and someone scumreads you for it BUSTED BUSTER GET R.E.S.P.R.E.K.T. | ||
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wait you are ALSO ccing miller? RSO MARV EDEN MEXICAN STANDOFF THUNDERDOME | ||
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townread | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:18 Palmar wrote: I'm a miller. A+ | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:17 Eden1892 wrote: can anyone link me to a 13p game which had more than one miller in it | ||
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you don't seem very relaxed bby | ||
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townread this game is gonna be easy lol | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote: Why marv over say Palmar who hates millerclaims? will revisit this once someone confirms that hosts don't use multiple millers in one game | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:24 Onegu wrote: Iirc I think I saw a unaware and a aware in the same game before but not 2 aware. OK awesome, no one else cared about it so I assume they couldn't remember any either. In that case it's time to break this game. I am actually just a vt CONF TOWN: marvellosity - u da real ratings mvp Palmar - a+ great joke, would townread again Breshke - ninja thoughts Koshi - also ninja thoughts PROBS TOWN: Damdred - cool questions, nothing to confirm him town yet but I think he's townie MAFIA: rsoultin - very stiff opening, pseudo-claimed miller then stepped back once a third one came in because of fear of ccs maybe? awkward joke as also noted Onegu - other party involved in awkward joke NULL: all the other chumps not posting JAT - nothing said yet I remember, barely remember he even posted, lol vote rso | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:29 marvellosity wrote: i'm already wishing i could dayvig you to stop you posting tbh I'm actually done for a bit :/ Just read my reads post, it's good stuff | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:30 marvellosity wrote: also Onegu's original joke was hilarious, not awkward. ? I meant the thing with rso | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:30 justanothertownie wrote: Weird how you list "all the other chumps" as null but still feel the need to list me there for some reason. it was respect, I just had "all the other chumps who haven't posted" and remembered you posted, so I gave you your own spot. but you haven't said anything to make me think anything so lol | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:37 Breshke wrote: Eden whats with this if you arn't a miller? (1) AFAIK no game actually uses multiple aware millers. I've seen semi-open with 0 actual millers to allow mafia fakeclaims, and I've seen 1 miller to keep cop honest. Never seen 2 and my intuition says 2+ is a bit much, so I figured there was only one miller (which would be marv). At the time I thought rso also claimed miller, at which point I would rescind claim and we would autolynch rso then marv if rso flipped miller. (2) We can still use this to lynch anyone who claims miller later  On February 04 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote: The confirmed town made me laugh. Still though Eden why did you flake claim Miller explain it to me better, and you town read Palmar even though what he did is not normal to him? And you never answered my question why did you say vote marv over someone else (1) Baiting miller claims. I think miller should absolutely come out right away, there's no advantage for town to hide it and the earlier these claims come out, the harder it is for mafia to make a convincing cc. I also figured that miller would pretty much only exist as a 1-off so multiple claims would include a legit scum cc. (2) Palmar is trolling I'm almost positive. If he's serious I'll reevaluate when he says so but ATM I think he was goofing off like me and like he's done as town 2 games straight now. If he burns me with it as mafia then oh well but until then I'm riding that til it doesn't work anymore (3) Because I "had to" to be convincing miller, if I believed only 1 player could be miller than marv was "mafia ccing me" so of course he got my vote On February 04 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote: Heh, I think you're getting me confused with someone else there, Eden. It was your boohoo don't night kill me mega-post that had me looking at you sideways ^^ I am positive you were giving me sideways looks for more than that | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:47 Palmar wrote: I've literally never been more serious in my life Eden. I meant about miller claim, I'm seeing your point about Damdred | ||
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ok doing now | ||
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U AINT EVEN VOTE DAMDY YET PLUMBER ![[image loading]](https://i1.sndcdn.com/avatars-000047427895-d56ntp-t500x500.jpg){kind=avatar} | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:48 Koshi wrote: Eden why is Palmar trolling town? last 2 games he's been in with me, he opened up trolling until he found something worth pushing on this game? troll miller claim into scumread of Damdred for plausible reasons pattern recognition computer says town | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:53 rsoultin wrote: That would be when you started defending me for no good reason last game. Moooooore than thaaaaaaat But I can give you a day if we kill Damdred first? But at the same time maybe Damdred is town, I don't get where his questions are going from a mafia POV. iHijole! | ||
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Lol That's why I need some followthrough from him. He seemed like he really wanted those answers, I feel like I gave some good answers, now we need to see what he does with them. Nothing = lynch, unhelpful/unreasonable things = lynch, helpful/reasonable things = maybe not lynch | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @eden Why are you sheeping palmer if you don't get where damdred's questions are going from a mafia POV? Because I don't see where they're going from a town POV either Lol | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:59 Palmar wrote: I have a magic trick ready btw I do too!! | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote: Just came back from playing a LoL game and saw mass miller claims -.- Also Palmar claiming that Damdred is scum but wont give a good reason................ So guys what you think of Palmar and Marvs interactions with each other so far? Computer says mafia | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote: The last two times I played with you, you were sarcastic and trolling as scum I guess I can see the pattern in your play. ##Vote: Eden1892 I am OMGUS you right now | ||
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I am literally never right about my first scumread online. Literally every single town game I can remember my first scumread was wrong. Therefore rso is town. Onegu might also be town but he was my second scumread so who knows. It was kinda close to simultaneous but not enough | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:14 LightningStrike wrote: As far I saw he didn't but then a just skimmed through the posts to catch up but will read Palmar's filter now Sson catch up | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:15 marvellosity wrote: still think rsoultin could be mafia for this Sorry but she is town. I am always wrong about my 1st scumread | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:16 marvellosity wrote: ok, also not going to talk to eden, that's fine  You're gonna have to convince me I'm a better scumhunter than that | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:18 marvellosity wrote: you could just, like, ya know, engage me on what i'm actually pointing out. play the game, that sort of thing. try it out I agree with your point and think it fits in with the "stiff and awkward posting" read I made before It's just idk about it cause the first scumread of mine is always chupazi | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:28 rsoultin wrote: is koshi town so you can be town for not doing anything? HAHAHAH A+ | ||
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You can unbuckle your seatbelts now. | ||
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Damdred is probably town IMO | ||
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quote the post from the marv/damdred exchange that made you think "yeah damdred is mafia" | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote: Unless it's just Damdred refusing to talk to HF, which is weird because he was tying to appeal to him to lynch me, he keeps dodging his questions. so literally all the posts except one which happened AFTER YOU VOTED HIM is the reason you voted for him??? goodbye thanks 4 playing c u next time | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:11 Damdred wrote: I'm at work as per usual so will be delayed responses. | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:49 rsoultin wrote: Obviously the first one was the one I voted him for -_- Now you're just nitpicking. The one where he says he's busy at work (which he confirmed before the exchange) and the one where he said don't let marv be lazy are the only ones before your vote. Neither of those are why Damdred was suspicious at the time | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:50 Holyflare wrote: i've given actual good reasons which you neglect to comment on and prove me otherwise but then you complain that you're going to die because i'm on your wagon is that logical? Of course it's not logical, he already said he was mad. Why would you expect him to be logical when he's mad? | ||
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Some people can some people can't. Most people are worse at logic when they're angry. HF doesn't make sense to me when he demands Damdred give him logical thoughtful replies after Damdred admits to getting angry | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:54 Holyflare wrote: yes she's dying after damdred i literally already told you this But I don't think Damdred is mafia :/ | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote: Think what you will, Eden. You asked me for my reasons; not yours. So what about those two posts actually makes him suspicious? | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:44 Holyflare wrote: Maaaaaaan damdy why not just read marv how you always read marv? HF why in your own words was Damdred already mafia at this point? (should be 12:37 AM your time) | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:57 Holyflare wrote: then just don't question the reads of 3 other good people But then you'll lynch Damdred and if I'm right he'll flip town and we won't kill rso who I think is mafia :/ :/ | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:22 Holyflare wrote: damdred is pretty much confirmed mafia Why was he confirmed mafia at this point? (1:34 AM) | ||
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On February 04 2015 10:34 Holyflare wrote: Damdred is far far far too sure about his reads. JAT just fooled people as mafia last game and plays as mafia generally well yet he's probably town, I have literally just been trolling yet at the top of the page he's trying to convince me to kill rs after he flips, marv he said be wary of yet still lists him as town even though he knows he's a miller.... silly Like this is literally your only actual post explaining why Damdred is mafia, and it's actually not a good one because: - "Probably town" is an ok read to give someone who's been relatively active and attentive d1 even if they play a good mafiasided game - Unless he thinks you're definitely mafia he's going to try to dissuade you from lynching him - His comments on marv made sense when he clarified them (saying don't let marv be lazy) and you ignored the clarification and didn't expound | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:46 Damdred wrote: Marv sounds happy so he's town. Bit don't let him be terrible confirmed town when I die and make him do things He said don't let marv get lazy by riding being confirmed town as miller Those are totally separate things and the fact that 3 people are misconstruing it is alarming | ||
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On February 04 2015 11:59 rsoultin wrote: The post on marv was strange. And though he's been around all game, when HF asked him what he meant, he suddenly wasn't going to post anymore. Only then he did, just not in response to HF's question. He immediately clarified it by saying don't let marv be lazy confirmed town And you voted him anyway... I don't like it The vote stands | ||
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WTF is this post | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote: because he asked some weird as shit questions and made some weird ass statements that shouldn't fit with his thought process at all he calls marv/you/palmar/jat town in his later posts but said some weird shit about marv being miller and to not let him slide despite being a miller and town reading him after all that he town reads jat (probably town) who is very capable mafia and has posted literally shit all and has just won a game where he fooled damdred (or at least got him lynched over himself) and was playing terrible as mafia and jat is very capable as mafia at spamming nonsense posts and then gets super defensive and calls out rs' play whose play isn't actually that different from her town play in linux from what I read of it so it was super weird and very deflectiony from when I called him out. Not to mention he appealed to ME to lynch rs after him after I had literally posted trolly spam the entire game and nothing more which meant he a) thought I was town already based off of nothing when he knows I'm pretty good at mafia and b) ignored the questions thrown at him I bolded all the stuff that happened after you called him mafia and I'm ignoring it because it doesn't answer the question of why you called him mafia when you did I also don't see the problem with his questions. The only ones that come to mind were questioning my thought process, which if he's town and doesn't get it, makes sense. I think if he's mafia he's less likely to do that with marv and Palmar chillin in the thread townreading me | ||
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I did, you threw shade on him for posting at work and he says he's busy but trying to be in the thread because he really wants to play. How is that suspicious and why the dismissive remark that says nothing? | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:03 Eden1892 wrote: Guys. Damdred never tried to make marv look like mafia He said don't let marv get lazy by riding being confirmed town as miller Those are totally separate things and the fact that 3 people are misconstruing it is alarming | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:10 Holyflare wrote: no that's not true and I really don't care if you like it or not What's not true? You called him mafia at 12:37 AM GMT, all the stuff I bolded there happened after the fact. You and anyone else can literally go look this up and see for yourself | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:12 rsoultin wrote: He said that he wasn't going to post again in a manner that seemed like he was ducking HF's question. Then he comes back into the thread to try to get me lynched while still not answering HF's question. That's when I asked him what happened to him not posting anymore while he was at work, and he gave that response. Why is this so hard for you to get? I reread it and I don't see what you're saying. He clarified he was still at work but trying to play anyway. Why the dismissive remark? You don't explain why you say "cool story bro" in response | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:37 Holyflare wrote: Idamdy who be mafia with you? 6:37 PM my time Keep up with your own thought process Sherlock | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:15 rsoultin wrote: That right there is a load of BS. I asked you for the quote where he supposedly did this, and instead of providing it you keep trying to bury yourself as far up my ass as you can. I already reposted it twice... On February 04 2015 12:03 Eden1892 wrote: Guys. Damdred never tried to make marv look like mafia He said don't let marv get lazy by riding being confirmed town as miller Those are totally separate things and the fact that 3 people are misconstruing it is alarming And none of that changes you quoting several parts of a questioning session after your vote as a reason for your vote | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:16 Holyflare wrote: it's funny how there's a I in front of it On February 04 2015 12:19 Eden1892 wrote: I don't get it HF but don't explain it to me you're scum 100% Certainly we should lynch rso then HF I got this game on lock sons Time to purge svengali | ||
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Literally it's still "don't let marv be lazy confirmed town" | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:21 rsoultin wrote: You asked me what made me think he was scum. Forgive me if I didn't translate that as "what made you think he was scum, but only what came before the vote". No, I asked you what made you vote for him, because you didn't explain your vote initially... | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:25 Onegu wrote: This is all so interesting but you both are confusing the hell out of me... Eden why can't HF sheep then find better reasons to solidify his read? Both town now be quiet. "I won't let you bury him, I won't let smother him, I won't let you murder him, our time is running out" He can? But I wanted to see if that's what he was doing or not. If I just assume anyone who calls someone mafia without explanation is sheeping and don't question them to be sure then I could let actual mafia get by unquestioned by just sheeping. Weird that you supplied this explanation for HF when HF himself didn't even claim to be sheeping though... | ||
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I know you aren't ignoring the posts literally immediately above and below that post in my filter which restrict answers to the marv/Damdred exchange And also WAIT A MINUTE You've been talking about the HF/Damdred exchange when your initial comments were about marv/Damdred | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:31 Holyflare wrote: maybe your small pitiful mind thinks that but that was his fucked up explanation after his original post where he literally uses the words "skate by", town don't fucking skate by and when has marv ever been lazy AS town? absolutely never and damdred knows this not only that but every reason I posted following that you said didn't make him mafia actually are solid reasons idk if marv ever gets lazy as town these days ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but marv totally got lazy in World Heavyweight III so... it's happened in any case you certainly can skate by as town... by being lazy because you're confirmed I just don't see what about that is mafia, it might be incorrect and silly but it's not suspicious to me. What does mafia Damdred have to gain from saying that? And no they weren't lol I addressed your post where you gave a reason and it's in my filter | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:30 rsoultin wrote: And? Damdred saying weird things about marv is less concerning than him saying weird things about marv and then ducking the question. I don't actually know what, lol I feel like I'm tunnel on you maybe? Lemme look at LS instead | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:35 Holyflare wrote: no it's absolutely not with jat's filter I have literally posted nothing at that point in the game but trolly spam which he was "angry" at me for so literally nothing to town read me for and do you think that was going to dissuade me from lynching him and if so why didn't he respond to my questions afterwards? He said he was angry at me and was ignoring me yet tried to appeal to me while being angry at me instead of directly conversing with me. That's scummy shit because it's avoiding actual interaction. You can clarify all you want but it doesn't mean he has to be telling the truth and the original was not worded like his clarification in the slightest. so is JAT mafia or what? unless you think he is then I really don't see the difference between an early "probably town" read vs a "null" or whatever you wanted him to say (unless you wanted him to say mafia in which case, see question) Cause he got mad? Avoiding interaction isn't per se suspicious, and I think you know this. Context is king. If he got mad at you for piling onto him - and whether you like it or not your reasons up to the reads post weren't actually all that coherent - then I would totally expect him to shut down, whether he's town or mafia. It doesn't mean anything Already discussed the marv thing further in a recent post | ||
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Like how does LS get off criticizing sicklucker for not reading the thread when LS's vote is literally not based in any semblance of things that actually happened in the thread | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:49 rsoultin wrote: Is this the post you were talking about, Eden? That doesn't read to me like LS getting onto SL for not reading. Well, intending not to play, if I'm gonna be precise about it. But I think you get what I'm getting at here - it is strange to me that LS criticizes sicklucker for declaring his intention not to care about day 1 when LS himself clearly isn't paying much attention. It just seems like LS is choosing lame things to snipe, and in the case of the player he voted for, he also just didn't make sense. I think this case is a lot better than the Damdred one honestly. | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:46 rsoultin wrote: It's based on, what, the two games he's played with you when you were scum? You've played with LS before. How is that different from his town play? I'm more concerned about him defending me, cause scum loves to defend me as you proved last game, Eden. That's not really outside the norm for him, either, though. Seems like LS tries more as town? Just from a cursory glance at a couple of his town games | ||
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On February 04 2015 12:56 rsoultin wrote: Lol, Eden, were you trolling in your last two scum games? Cause if you were, I can see where he's getting it from. He does these meta things like every game. It is hypocritical assuming that LS doesn't return to the thread, and if that's the case I'll probably happily vote him with you. I was intermittently trolling in Linux and very sparsely trolling in NYE. The problem is that I troll at least a little bit in every game. I trolled the shit out of Hammertime d1. I fuckin drunkposted like Lindsey Lohan the first like 6 hours or so of that game. I trolled to start here by fakeclaiming miller just to do it and managed to improvise it into something resembling a legit play. I didn't troll in Imperial but that's probably just because I was fresh off of a hiatus and had something to prove to myself. I trolled the whole game in World Heavyweight as town and then shit the bed at LYLO and I trolled to start Melee Mini with a similar play as in this game. "Eden trolled at some point" is a terrible meta read, and even if LS uses meta too much there's still two problems with his use here: - He clearly didn't actually check it against prior games when I was town. If you're going to run a meta case saying "ABC did XYZ and ABC does XYZ when ABC is mafia," you should probably make sure ABC doesn't also do XYZ as town. - By the time he actually posted I had long since stopped trolling and had been ?arguably? the most productive player in the thread so far, certainly in the top 3 somewhere. So LS's read wasn't even correct. At no point from the time he posted it was it ever actually an accurate read. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:03 LightningStrike wrote: Also I tempted to switch to Damdred but he also seem to be townie on his defense but that's just my thoughts. So to clarify you're not actually switching off of me. Lol this guy | ||
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Have you caught up with the thread fully yet? | ||
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Make a case for me being mafia. You have me as your only scumread, you should be able to make a pretty coherent one. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:24 LightningStrike wrote: It just meta alone but also I just might be paranoid because the last 2 times I played with you in fact you were scum. I did the same thing to Breshke in Student V because just 2 games before that game that I played with him he was scum so it could just be paranoia again on my read on you so take it with a grain of salt. Those are excuses for why your case might not be good. That's not a case. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:36 LightningStrike wrote: It was mainly about the trolling that's all. That's still not a case. Why am I mafia? | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:38 LightningStrike wrote: Like the time I saw you trolling before this game you were Mafia (Linux) and you trolled earlier about being a Miller and stuff but that Miller stuff was confusing. That's still not a case. Why am I mafia? | ||
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yeah it was really lazy :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:49 LightningStrike wrote: Your trolling earlier reminded me of your play in Linux where you trolled pretty much the entire game but you looked better since then so I getting you Null for now since I only played with you scum. What trolling? Cite sources. And what made me look better? Cite sources again. | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:56 Onegu wrote: Then why aren't you voteing me I just said my reason for scum reading rsoultin was a feeling lol Because you're town | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:00 LightningStrike wrote: Your Miller stuff from earlier were seemed like trolling in my mind or just bad play within these two posts: What made you look better is that you seem to be scum hunting after the Miller stuff but you did troll me when you said Computer said Mafia on my posts asking for peoples thoughts on Palmar and Marv. But you seemed to be genuine on your thoughts especially about me on what you thought of me. Is this your case for me being mafia? I can't tell because it doesn't seem to imply "Eden is mafia" and I don't see that anywhere in your post. | ||
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We're not going to talk about that | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:05 LightningStrike wrote: No this isn't a case of you being Mafia I was just explaining my thoughts. OK, my bad, I misread it. What is your case for me being mafia? | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:06 LightningStrike wrote: Yes you will. Why you think Onegu is town? Because Onegu isn't mafia | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:11 Holyflare wrote: ls pretty towny bro leave him alone Son you have got to be kidding me | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:19 Holyflare wrote: that's just what someone who said they rolled scum or vt would say when they rolled scum Bruh please that's not the giveaway post And read more of LS. dude was straight trippin balls trying to scumread me... Game seems hard where did Damdred go | ||
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On February 04 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote: Yeah. Damdred's definitely mafia. ##vote Damdred [[citation needed]] | ||
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On February 04 2015 14:40 Holyflare wrote: that dude is wishy washy and doesn't call people mafia and he called damdred definitely mafia in like his first post oh i don't know his meta | ||
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On February 05 2015 01:26 sicklucker wrote: nerd troglodyte | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:08 marvellosity wrote: although I quite fancy LS for town tbh. me 2 checking back in! thoughts from work: LightningStrike rsoultin Damdred justanothertownie Although JAT started posting between the time I left work and got home so I gotta read that. Hijole | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote: I don't get these rsoultin townreads. maybe she just plays in a style that i find really hard to get a grip on. still really dislike her comment to eden at the start of the game what was wrong with it? if it's the one I'm thinking of and the part of it I'm thinking of, I'm not worried about it | ||
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Lmao | ||
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Read the last bit as her teasing me for attention and it makes perfect sense. You just don't get my swag marv | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:20 marvellosity wrote: no, that's not how it reads at all. with the "you're not making sense here eden" yes that's the teasing for attention part | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:22 Koshi wrote: I would have asked the same question without the "not making sense" part tbh. She is just teasing? bingo at least that's how I read it. I don't get the hangup with the question absent the not-making-sense bit and I read that bit as obviously teasing me it kinda bothers me that that's what marv wants to lynch for, tbh | ||
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you don't have to be mafia for it but you can certainly be a donkeytown for it | ||
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like that might even be a good reason to lynch him but it's just so unsatisfying, you know? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:26 marvellosity wrote: Damdred probably should die for that LS read. It's so... easy, too certain, doesn't explore the possibility that LS-town could make it, even though I'm sure he could this is a pretty good point though, but didn't he back off of it? lemme reread | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:28 marvellosity wrote: that's implied yes. damn giving people too much credit again Eden: no he never backed off it, in fact he reinforced it correct, I saw he moved his vote and assumed he backed off of it, but it turns out he just went for SL instead because ??? | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:28 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe you should just stop trusting yourself then. sweet one-liners bro | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:30 marvellosity wrote: oh yeah, bats caught sl in a lie. which is really really weak. it's especially weak to vote for sl when he just spent like 3 paragraphs explaining to me why LS is definitely mafia it's all wrong uuuughhhh why don't I want to lynch him then?? gah unless I come up with something really cool I'll sheep onto Damdred at EOD I will absolutely deflect and blame everyone but me if I sheep onto him and he flips town doe | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:47 marvellosity wrote: Eden is saying "LS's read on me is bad, because he is misusing meta because he didn't go back to check if i did what i'm doing in my towngames" Breshke says "yes it is bad, but LS uses meta on games that he's played in himself, so although he should have checked the towngames, I don't think it's scummy that he didn't given how LS uses meta" This charitable interpretation of what Breshke said gives me mondo good vibes | ||
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I still want to lynch Holyflare but he's confirmed town so I can't :/ JAT too but no one will probably want to lynch him either :/ :/ | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:59 justanothertownie wrote: Eden is probably high or something. you don't think HF is town? | ||
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You didn't even answer the question bruh. Do you think he's town or mafia? | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:03 justanothertownie wrote: I made my list post extra short. You still failed to read it. You suck. no your list post still fails to answer my question, here's literally what it says On February 05 2015 06:20 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so the people I could maybe be convinced to lynch are: 12 Holyflare I don't actually want to lynch HF that much but I have seen nothing from him that he couldn't do as scum so fuck him. things i don't see in there: "holyflare is town" "holyflare is mafia" "holyflare is null" "holyflare leans town/mafia" "i read holyflare as town/mafia" what is your read on holyflare? | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:11 justanothertownie wrote: There is nothing to add to what I wrote in my list. a conclusion as to whether HF is town or mafia or null would be a sweet addition | ||
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Eden1892 rsoultin LightningStrike Onegu Damdred Palmar marvellosity sicklucker batsnacks Koshi Holyflare justanothertownie where I'm at rn I feel pretty confident in all my greens. Palmar is green if Damdred does actually flip mafia, but since I don't really have anything else to townread him on I'm not putting him green til that happens | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:18 Holyflare wrote: when the hell did you switch to damdred being mafia after denying all my points? | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:19 marvellosity wrote: it's not a great list really | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:20 justanothertownie wrote: It's a legitimate question. He is your only scumread now for some reason. what is your point | ||
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I'd have to go reread, this wasn't my impression but I wasn't looking very hard at that | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:22 justanothertownie wrote: Well, from defending someone to that someone being your strongest scumread is quite the jump. there are 2 possible points to this question that I can see: (1) you think I'm wrong about Damdred and are questioning me so that I'll post my thought process and you can convince me I'm wrong about Damdred (2) you think I'm mafia and are questioning me so that I'll post my thought process and you can convince others to vote for me what. is. your. point | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:24 Eden1892 wrote: I'd have to go reread, this wasn't my impression but I wasn't looking very hard at that I read through 2 pgs of her filter and she's proactively questioning sicklucker and Damdred. Admittedly most of her stuff to this point is reactive but there's some digging there on p4 there's some proactive comments, the one thing I note in particular is that she made the exact point Breshke did about LS immediately before he made it. further on p4 she's questioning Onegu, there's some more digging on p5 too She had a reactive start but I think she's fine as of now. Go back and read her filter again for me HF, I think you're coasting a bit on your initial impression | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:28 Holyflare wrote: lol eden you're in the wrong here and you are the one being defensive when all you need to do is explain how you go from defending everything damdred to scum reading him "in the wrong"...? wat lol I'm not being defensive about the question, I'm trying to understand where he's even coming from on it. I don't get the point of him questioning me on it if he thinks I'm town and thinks Damdred is mafia. I still think he could be mafia and the directionless questioning doesn't help Plus I feel like this could be found if you're reading the thread? I didn't ever explicitly say "OK I think Damdred is mafia now because XYZ," but it seemed pretty clear to me that I was saying marv's points about Damdred's read on LS made sense after we looked at Breshke's read on LS Maybe I didn't say that explicitly enough to be understood but I was pretty sure I did :/ in any case, there | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:32 Holyflare wrote: well, again, you're wrong, so get on my level 10/10 great rebuttal, printing a magnet strip with 3D printer so I can hang it on the fridge | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:36 Holyflare wrote: in fact just reading this again I have no idea how you even reach these conclusions when I re-read and everything she's doing is super surface level mediocre questions that lead absolutely nowhere to getting reads on other people true that she doesn't seem to be coming to conclusions on her reads this doesn't seem related to the initial point I was arguing about but it's a separately good one | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:49 rsoultin wrote: Busy with separation exercises the military puts us through to make sure we're not homeless. If you've got questions ask, already asked them quote, cause I probably won't get a chance to read anything in depth until later tonight. What are your town and mafia reads rn | ||
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On February 05 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote: Based on last night, LS I'm not sure on, but leaning town SL could be mafia Koshi who the hell knows what he's doing, possible mafia Like bats, but he needs to explain his reads more Bresh is leaning town I know you're busy right now but can you elaborate on what happened last night that led you to get these reads? | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:14 Holyflare wrote: .................. Bruh I know. It's shit. I got nothin on why Damdred could be town | ||
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On February 04 2015 21:32 justanothertownie wrote: You were the only scumbuddy I ever had to yell at (goes to show how "good" your play was). And I didn't even once tell you to townread me. From now on I will ignore your bullshit though. I won't let you feign activity by answering anything like this again. This sounds hella fraudulent to me I also think SL is probably town, both for the thing marv pointed out and his general demeanor. He's a lot more light and clearly having more fun, like he doesn't feel the need to prove himself this game. It fits with his self-declared preference for playing mafia, I think if he were mafia he would be more uptight than he has been because he'd be trying hard to win. And he also kept trying to do stuff d1 even after declaring that he would skip out on the day. | ||
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Honest to god it reminds me of a rant I deleted from scum QT in NYE. I got so fuckin mad at SL b/c I didn't feel like I could reason with him. Like if this were LYLO and JAT were town and SL were trying to kill him, I could get it, but JAT just seems way too rustled by SL and I don't get why he would be | ||
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Added meta defense of SL: He doesn't act like the game is solved as town until he actually has some read on enough players to believe it's solved. He didn't do it to start Imperial for example. He only did it in NYE Mafia (same-size game as this one) on d3 after town finally caught mafia and had some info to start doing real POE. So that's not even a legit point, SL might get cocky sometimes about how much he thinks he's solved the game but he's not arrogant enough to declare it solved halfway through d1 | ||
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On February 05 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote: Generally not without a purpose. He says dumb shit as town but you can see some line of thought. As scum he just posts random bullshit. What has he posted that doesn't have some line of thought? | ||
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I think Damdred's post was pretty town but I felt like when I read SL earlier he was town. Now people want to kill SL and I still don't really see it either! Can we just kill JAT and then I'll get nightkilled to throw people off and not have to think about this anymore? | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote: What was so towny about his filter? What is wrong with my case exactly? I'd have to go through it in detail to argue what's wrong with the case. Idk if I should right now though, I don't think I'm doing a very good job analyzing things. I gave a brief description of why I thought SL was town before, maybe it'd be better if you rebutted that instead of me trying to rebut yours? On February 05 2015 08:38 Eden1892 wrote: I also think SL is probably town, both for the thing marv pointed out and his general demeanor. He's a lot more light and clearly having more fun, like he doesn't feel the need to prove himself this game. It fits with his self-declared preference for playing mafia, I think if he were mafia he would be more uptight than he has been because he'd be trying hard to win. And he also kept trying to do stuff d1 even after declaring that he would skip out on the day. On February 05 2015 08:44 Eden1892 wrote: Added meta defense of SL: He doesn't act like the game is solved as town until he actually has some read on enough players to believe it's solved. He didn't do it to start Imperial for example. He only did it in NYE Mafia (same-size game as this one) on d3 after town finally caught mafia and had some info to start doing real POE. So that's not even a legit point, SL might get cocky sometimes about how much he thinks he's solved the game but he's not arrogant enough to declare it solved halfway through d1 | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:11 Holyflare wrote: what's so towny about his towny filter though? can you do something please | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:14 Holyflare wrote: i pretty much shut down whatever nonsense you start to bring up and put you on the right tracks, that's a great town skill to have! What do you mean, "on the right tracks"? I'm not on any tracks at all! That's the whole damn problem. | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:16 Holyflare wrote: what's wrong with damd/rs at the moment? rs is pretty much gaining mafia points every second tbh Thoughts on Damdred's case on sicklucker? | ||
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Shit like this is really pissing me off. Why are you just sniping at him from the sidelines? He posts a case that sounds pretty townie and you're content just to dump on him instead of engage it or rethink your position or even just read it, argue why it doesn't matter and move on. You don't seem like you give a shit tbh. | ||
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Why do you think Damdred and rsoultin are mafia? | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:35 Holyflare wrote: there's just something weird about the case that he's presenting when he's said ls is sure mafia all game That's not an answer. There are three mafia in this game. He can think someone is sure mafia (or not; I got the sense he was backing off of it a little bit? Damdred what do you think about LS and what changed if so?) and still make a case against someone else. His case makes zero mention of LS either way, so why is that relevant? | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:45 Holyflare wrote: it is my answer I just think it's weird to be so spread out making cases on someone like sl when there's other people like rs etc that aren't particularly being talked about but are scummy i mean yes it's a good case and I'll probably be voting sl and rs or something but i don't really have to comment on anything if I don't want to WTF is this garbage? Why is it weird for Damdred to be "spread out" on SL when he (a) already scumread SL and (b) had a pretty good case (by your admission!) to make on him? What's spread out about that and why is it weird? And you now don't even have Damdred as mafia? You'll even maybe follow his case onto SL? Are you kidding me? | ||
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On February 05 2015 09:54 Holyflare wrote: i'm lazy sure but it doesn't make me mafia On February 05 2015 09:13 Holyflare wrote: i have done loads? yeah which is it bruh? having trouble keeping track of your self-assessment rn. | ||
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Why am I not supposed to be lynching you right now? You're supposed to be one of the best players here and you're basically outright telling me you don't care. | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:00 Damdred wrote: I should of saved that case to later in the day so it doesn't get lost to all the bickering in the thread... It'll get revisited at some point before EOD, promise. But HF is so anti-town right now that it pretty much warrants all my attention, especially since for some reason no one else is in the thread to comment on it >/ | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:03 Holyflare wrote: they literally aren't seeing as how I just expressed rsoul got more scummy You should actually explain how you feel rsoultin got more suspicious. This is just literally not even true in what I'm reading. | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:14 rsoultin wrote: No, I want to start with the filters of the people being scumread and work out from there. I ask because we're like... 22? hours away from the lynch. There aren't any main wagons yet. | ||
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Shrug HF and marv when are either of y'all going to make a case for rsoultin being mafia? I know it's late in the UK rn so I'm not expecting it right away, but you both are just kinda nodding in agreement with each other about her, and I know I don't see it at all | ||
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On February 05 2015 10:56 rsoultin wrote: Yo, Eden, if you're scumreading JAT (I assume you still are?) why were you criticizing HF for calling Damdred's townread on JAT scummy? where is this question going? | ||
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On February 05 2015 11:40 rsoultin wrote: I'm trying to understand why you were defending Damdred for a townread on JAT if you weren't reading him town. Damdred's alignment isn't per se dependent on agreeing or disagreeing with my reads. The problem I had was that I felt like Damdred's reading JAT town at the time wasn't suspicious, and I didn't get why HF found it so | ||
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On February 05 2015 11:53 rsoultin wrote: Kay, should I sheep you on your Onegu read? I'm finding nothing to make me think anything on him one way or the other. (Also, just saying, you and HF are coming off like you're arguing with each other just to argue.) You can. My townread on him is easily the dumbest read in the whole game and I can't even talk about why, but sure. Whatcha gonna do about it? | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote: he's just butt hurt because he knows i'm town please make a case to convince me of this. this game is incredibly fuckin difficult with the "good people" being lazy and the rest being scummy | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:12 Damdred wrote: People should sheep my read honestly i'm probably gonna do this | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:20 Onegu wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PxTTKle.jpg) Well that's awkward... LMFAO HAHAHAHA A+ | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:31 LightningStrike wrote: Guys I'm back and I really want to give up now since no one but Koshi, Marv, and JAT are calling me town >.< For my list post rsoultin I accidentally forgot to put the people who I put the notes by in my post on my reads that's all. Also I meant your normal behavior as town not opening you silly girl. Now I seeing people calling sicklucker scum and I might buy it if some of my town reads sheep the case on sicklucker by Damdred. Also I going to put in the blank because I thought I had put some words in my long reads post at the time to make it more clear: I feel like Damdred was just tunneling me when I wasn't around.............. Holy shit, son, what the hell. Slow down. I'm pretty sure you're not a lynch today. What's with the martyrdom? You're gonna give Palmar a lynch boner. | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:34 LightningStrike wrote: Onegu why you voting Koshi still? He sheeped himself ROFL | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:38 LightningStrike wrote: Tell that to Damdred and sicklucker because they still have me #1/#2 spot for Day 1 lynch. You haven't finished catching up with the thread, have you? And lol @ being scared of Damdred and SL when you think you have marv, Koshi and JAT on your side | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:39 LightningStrike wrote: Why would he sheep himself? I know he RNG himself but still he should of sheeped other people other than himself if he's going to sheep someone. You have sinned and fallen short of the glory of RNGod. For your penance you now must read the entire thread. Pay attention to page 5 in the Book of Blazinghand Chapter 3 Verse 8 On February 04 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote: Blessed be the RNG for I was blind, and now I see that preference' hand's deeply unkind: it harms the soul and warps the mind. Only my dice are normal, true, and force unbiased followthrough. So when I chose my roles this day, in RNGesus' name I pray. AMEN /obs | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:41 Holyflare wrote: yeh but if all your town reads other than damdred think you are town and a lot of people are scum reading damdred and you are scum reading sicklucker, why would you ever think you were going to die? fuck off sage get out of my head how am i supposed to scumread you now? | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:42 LightningStrike wrote: I cought up and saw the case on sicklucker by Damdred that was made while I was gone and I waiting for marv JAT and or Koshi to go on it if they think it's a good case this game because I aint wanting to sheep blind. Damdred prob got me as the #2 lynch today and sicklucker got me as his #1. wat | ||
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On February 05 2015 12:45 LightningStrike wrote: I trust their judgement on cases over my own like the only time I sheeped a case on scum was in Linux when Damdred made the case on you and their were lots of policy votes which I wasn't buying and sheeped his case since it was the best case that game in the first 48 hours of the game. ![[image loading]](http://karaboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/i-dont-know-what-i-expected.gif) But I like this. I already was ok with LS being town but I feel really sure now. | ||
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1 Breshke 2 Eden1892 3 rsoultin 4 LightningStrike 5 Onegu 6 Damdred 7 Palmar 8 marvellosity 9 sicklucker 10 batsnacks 11 Koshi 12 Holyflare 13 justanothertownie I have a mind to lynch Palmar next for being afk as much as he is. It's been one day so it's hard to know how much of that is just irl stuff and how much is actual lurking, but he seems less active than normal. Even when he's not trying to do a lot he's usually in the thread. His absence here is a little much. Kinda feel like batsnacks is an okay lynch maybe? I don't remember off the top of my head what he's done this game. Koshi is mostly the same. I remember both batsnacks and Koshi posting JAT I could just be paranoid on, but I really feel like he isn't doing a lot. He managed to boost his filter size up to snuff, but I don't feel like he's said/done a whole lot for its length. | ||
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On February 05 2015 13:14 Holyflare wrote: I actually already know the entire mafia team so gg what are you even doing rn | ||
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On February 05 2015 13:36 Holyflare wrote: what are YOU doing? contemplating afking u? | ||
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On February 05 2015 13:38 Holyflare wrote: well my gf is on a course for 2 weeks so I haven't been able to see her for a while and she was feeling a bit frisky and lonely so she asked me to make a video to masturbate to so I was doing that for a while but I'm done with that now and I've figured out all the mafia team easily A+ name a mafia pls | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:10 sicklucker wrote: Its because i said im going to catch his easy to read mafia game and hes playing his mafia game. this is something you can sell me. 100% i need you to do it though. why is jat mafia? how is he playing his scum game? if you can include references to previous examples of his scum game that would be fantastic | ||
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i was gonna tell you to stop catching up before you got to that part i'm lost this game man. my gut says to lynch jat and hf and maybe palmar but i have no great cases for any of them | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:39 Holyflare wrote: you've literally been calling me town all game and saying you have a tell and you want to lynch me do i need to bold the "i'm lost this game man" part so people actually read the entire context of what i say instead of butchering the point | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:41 Holyflare wrote: well everything eden has said this game has contradicted who he wants to lynch so it's no big deal really now that's just unfair. i've changed my mind several times because i'm lost this game but when i did have a scumread i pushed it and tried to explain my reasoning, or when i had a townread i tried to dissuade people from killing them. i don't believe i've actually outright contradicted myself, just changed my mind a lot. there IS a difference and i think you understand this | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:45 Holyflare wrote: being lost and then stating your gut reads are independent of one another especially as your tell should be a gut thing too i don't follow most of this, but the tell has nothing to do with gut. it's terrible because i literally can't even talk about it because if i'm wrong i'll have set town back big time for nothing | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:52 sicklucker wrote: Ok here. I was very vocal in are scum qt that everything I do as mafia I do thinking that I would do the same thing as town. This caused alot of friction between us because in that game I felt I couldnt unvote him because of his shitty non sensible tunnel on me that koshi and others called him out as mafia for. I said "I cant unvote you because it does not make any sense from my town pov" I said this multiple times But here hes saying I do random shit as scum. This is not true and he cant possibly think its true. Read are scum qt together im very adamant on doing what I think I would do as town. Im not doing "random shit" and he should know this. When I wasint demotivated because of him threatening to out me if I bussed him (yes this happened) I was very strategic about my play trying to imitate my town play. THAT IS NOT DOING RANDOM SHIT you're passing my Turing test the thing is, I was also on a scumteam with sicklucker recently. and I know for a fact that JAT is wrong in his assessment that sicklucker does random shit. when I pressed JAT on this he dismissively told me that he talked about it already in his filter. I looked and didn't find it | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:54 Holyflare wrote: it's pretty impossible to have a tell on me when i'm pretty much not participating in the game so I can already tell you it's wrong it isn't a tell, gretel i'm using your word for it because the word i would use for it would give it away | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:54 sicklucker wrote: Eden will you unvote me and vote my scum read like you have done 10 times this game already? ...that being... jat? sure actually lol | ||
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On February 05 2015 14:55 Holyflare wrote: eden what if i told you my real alignment sure go for it | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:07 rsoultin wrote: ninja'd also, HF gets a special troll pile just for him, cause I can't be assed to WIFOM his alignment out of that bullshit ...wat | ||
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That was my super secret tell. I was trying to covertly ask you about it without mentioning it because I wanted to know if you were okay with me openly discussing it to put my paranoia aside Since you obviously don't care: Holyflare claimed cop to start the game and it's bugging the shit out of me that I have no choice but to treat him as town until a cc shows up because I don't feel like he's actually been very productive like I'd expect from him | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:12 Holyflare wrote: you shouldn't treat me as confirmed town in the slightest FANTASTIC I want to lynch your ass so bad | ||
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I'm probably going to end up not really lynching anyone, just stupidly hitching onto whatever random wagon sounds quasi-legit near deadline like in Hammertime and then being inexplicably n1'd despite playing like garbage Then it'll turn out to be something like HF/Palmar/JAT and I'll hate myself forever because the alarm bells are going off about all of them but I never listened | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:16 Holyflare wrote: you shouldn't have any alarm bells about me because I've been awesome and those 2 other people have been not awesome So fucking lynch JAT with me then asdfghjkl All 3 of the people you've named as your main suspects this game have tried several times harder individually than both of them put together. I give Palmar a pass on this sort of because I've played enough with him to know better, but not JAT | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:18 rsoultin wrote: I've never played with JAT I don't think. His questions seemed okay? What makes him scum? His filter is boring. Most of his questions don't have a clear direction or conclusion to them and the one time he gave reads it was all zzzzzzzz mode nearly-consensus list of suspects. JAT is better than this | ||
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On February 04 2015 21:32 justanothertownie wrote: You were the only scumbuddy I ever had to yell at (goes to show how "good" your play was). And I didn't even once tell you to townread me. From now on I will ignore your bullshit though. I won't let you feign activity by answering anything like this again. "Won't let you feign activity"? Someone read that and tell me it doesn't sound fraudulent as hell | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:24 Holyflare wrote: I understand jat's frustration but he still could be mafia regardless You know I can't be wrong about everything I've pushed this game :D | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:31 Holyflare wrote: you asked someone to tell you that sentence so I did but I don't agree with it either because he's a frustrating person to deal with so I get the frustration the frustration doesn't have to be fake, but the framing of it totally is. like who in the world as town is thinking "I won't let you fake activity by talking to me, scummer!"? it makes ZERO sense, if you think someone is mafia then you either engage them further to build your case or you completely ignore them altogether | ||
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On February 05 2015 06:20 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so the people I could maybe be convinced to lynch are: 1 Breshke 3 rsoultin 5 Onegu 6 Damdred 9 sicklucker 10 batsnacks 12 Holyflare I don't actually want to lynch HF that much but I have seen nothing from him that he couldn't do as scum so fuck him. Breshke/Onegu/bats are more POE because they haven't been as towny as the rest of the game but there were still moments from all 3 of them that made me think they could be town. Would need a good case on those to lynch them. SL and Damdred look the worst to me and would be my prefered lynch targets right now. But yeah this list. I don't like it at all. Holyflare is on there for no reason. I bugged him about this and he basically confirmed HF is there for no reason. He has 3 people that he lists as "could be convinced to lynch" but then says he would "need a good case on [them] to lynch them" which doesn't make sense. If you'd need a good case on them then obviously you don't really think they're mafia, so why do you even bother to list them in this set? What's really interesting too is that he clarifies to put rsoultin in this group, but unlike all the others here, rsoultin is actually being pushed. If you think someone probably isn't mafia then why aren't you going to bat for them in the thread when other people are trying to lynch them? When you distill it down it's just Damdred and SL which, oh yeah, have been the same targets people talked about all day. JAT provides no original insight or reasoning into lynching any of them and doesn't even bother to rehash reasons people already stated. And all that could be okay if it were just an update list to tell us where he's at, and if he planned to do more later to narrow this down and give some more useful reads. But that's not what happened. He ends up asking me some questions that clearly weren't going anywhere because "you can never be too sure" I'm not mafia. Says some stuff about SL that is incorrect, some other zzz one-liners. Put yourself in that situation as a townie. You allegedly have a pool of lynches that's half of the game long with 24 hours to pick one, and you know you have sleep and work coming up taking out the majority of that time. Surely you're going to make some meaningful effort to engage people and refine your views right? JAT doesn't do this. We should lynch him | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:48 Holyflare wrote: none of this makes him potential mafia other than the bolded Eh I think there's some decent stuff in the other things too. His reads are boring, I feel like the cool town players (which I consider JAT to be) have more interesting reads than what he gave. But hey if the bold will get you to vote him I'm a-ok with you thinking the rest is shit | ||
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Meh not really it's gut/tone/etc. I don't really care much about batsnacks rn, tbh. I want to get JAT lynched or make him bleed town before EOD. I promise to think about bats during n1 though, ok? In the meantime will you kill JAT? iPALMAR! Vote JAT | ||
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On February 05 2015 19:12 Palmar wrote: So where we at marv, solved the game yet? I scratched your JAT last game with Toad. Scratch mine this game plz | ||
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On February 05 2015 20:34 marvellosity wrote: seems i probably won't decide who i want to lynch until much closer to deadline :/ Kill JAT Or at least comment on: On February 05 2015 15:40 Eden1892 wrote: But yeah this list. I don't like it at all. Holyflare is on there for no reason. I bugged him about this and he basically confirmed HF is there for no reason. He has 3 people that he lists as "could be convinced to lynch" but then says he would "need a good case on [them] to lynch them" which doesn't make sense. If you'd need a good case on them then obviously you don't really think they're mafia, so why do you even bother to list them in this set? What's really interesting too is that he clarifies to put rsoultin in this group, but unlike all the others here, rsoultin is actually being pushed. If you think someone probably isn't mafia then why aren't you going to bat for them in the thread when other people are trying to lynch them? When you distill it down it's just Damdred and SL which, oh yeah, have been the same targets people talked about all day. JAT provides no original insight or reasoning into lynching any of them and doesn't even bother to rehash reasons people already stated. And all that could be okay if it were just an update list to tell us where he's at, and if he planned to do more later to narrow this down and give some more useful reads. But that's not what happened. He ends up asking me some questions that clearly weren't going anywhere because "you can never be too sure" I'm not mafia. Says some stuff about SL that is incorrect, some other zzz one-liners. Put yourself in that situation as a townie. You allegedly have a pool of lynches that's half of the game long with 24 hours to pick one, and you know you have sleep and work coming up taking out the majority of that time. Surely you're going to make some meaningful effort to engage people and refine your views right? JAT doesn't do this. We should lynch him On February 05 2015 16:02 Eden1892 wrote: Eh I think there's some decent stuff in the other things too. His reads are boring, I feel like the cool town players (which I consider JAT to be) have more interesting reads than what he gave. But hey if the bold will get you to vote him I'm a-ok with you thinking the rest is shit | ||
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Haha inertia, at least it's acknowledged  Admittedly question is more for Palmar (who I understand decided not to read the thread, but still expect to make his vote count) and Holyflare (who said he didn't view Damdred as the most suspicious player anymore). I hope some not annoying prodding will get the job done at EOD then. I really want this lynch | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:51 Damdred wrote: SL should be the lynch today. [1] Firstly since sL came back to the thread he was only active before people started talking about really switching to JAT which thread sentiment started to favour, and he only re appeared once people noticed this pattern once again. 2 Besides that he made it extremely clear that I should be the one to die since the lynch was trying to be pushed on him and its obvious mafia is pushing the wagon. But soon as people started saying the case on him was good he started to push the JAT angle and he voted Jat instead of killng the person who the wagon was being pushed off of. 3 He is still selectively quoting and interacting with people. This guy is mafia. Also people who say the SL case is good and then vote with him give me the heebie jeebies breaking your post into 1-2-3 for convenient responding. [1] is fair and I'm gonna keep watching it throughout the day. This is a pretty good strike against him. [2] I'm not as sure about. I know what you're citing, but the whole "mafia are trying to push this wagon, look at who they're pushing it off of" bit came off to me like town!sicklucker. No offense to SL but it was the exact kind of excessively self-important thought process I expect from him as town. I forget who said it, I think rsoultin, that as town SL tends to post some odd theories about the mafia's gameplan that revolve around him being targeted, this fits the bill to me. [3] I dunno again. Not saying it didn't happen, just that I didn't notice it. What do you feel he's ignoring lately that makes you think he's been selective in his interactions with people? | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote: no it isn't in Imperial he didn't answer 95% of questions/stuff directed at him Literally the example I had in mind for [3]. A+ | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:59 marvellosity wrote: there's just something off about his stuff on LS and sicklucker a bit. Dodge the entire issue for a day and vote JAT | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:00 Damdred wrote: Yea fuck it just lynch me i'm not going to try when people ignore half of what I said even when they say oh its a good case. This shit is just stupid. bruh what I'm gonna get JAT lynched what even is Lol | ||
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On February 05 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote: Playing with Palmar in general is becoming a chore, his try to non-try ratio of games has reached the point where on balance it's probably not enjoyable anymore it also feels like jat dodged Damdred's big case on sl a bit, he made a couple of short posts after it saying he was off and going to bed, but I dunno, I always read up to my last post, and I would have commented on it... of course i have absolutely nothing to prove this and he could genuinely just not have read it, it's just an annoying thing. I miss Palmar from Melee Mini and from the tryhard stretches of Imperial This post made me go back and read and I have a whackjob theory that goes in spoiler tags so you have no one to blame but yourself if you read it and feel like it's a waste of time. + Show Spoiler + bats and JAT are partners. On February 05 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote: I am quite obviously leaning towards mafia SL nonsense. I really don't like this bolded question, it doesn't really have a direction and the answer is pretty obvious from JAT's other posting. batsnacks has no meaningful followthrough either, he literally just says "SL stopped posting once his voters unvoted him" and that's it. It kinda looks like a question you'd ask as mafia to look busy and to have some kind of interaction with a teammate. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:04 Damdred wrote: JAT has a much lower chance to flip scum than SL does. You have hard defended SL for pages and haven't even responded to any part of my case or my response to your original reasons why hes scum when instead you directed the thread towards a different vein which is total bullshit. Now Breshke and SL are voting together when bresh said my case was good and I was town. You don't even blink when SL changes from Lets kill Damdred since mafia is trying to push off me onto him and all of a sudden hes super happy lynching JAT. Who by the way is always super try hard as mafia tone is super different from his mafia game. I don't really follow the point of where this is going. I'm following my instinct today because I thought myself into one corner, out of it into another, out of that one and into a pocket of non-Euclidean space and realized that the more I thought about the game the more I could convince myself of anything. It's what happened to me when I did try to play well in World Heavyweight 3 and I'm not letting that performance happen again. So it's back to basics. SL's play has issues, but at the end of the day I really thought I had something with this: On February 05 2015 08:38 Eden1892 wrote: Haha I just read sicklucker's filter after rsoultin mentioned him and came across this post This sounds hella fraudulent to me I also think SL is probably town, both for the thing marv pointed out and his general demeanor. He's a lot more light and clearly having more fun, like he doesn't feel the need to prove himself this game. It fits with his self-declared preference for playing mafia, I think if he were mafia he would be more uptight than he has been because he'd be trying hard to win. And he also kept trying to do stuff d1 even after declaring that he would skip out on the day. And decided to dig in further and ride with it. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: I've been kinda wanting to change my mind on you, but now I feel like I have to policy lynch you for being a dick. >votes for Damdred's target okay.jpg | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: I just woke up and saw Damdred started to change his mind on me ^_^ and Breshke is still feeling icky on me about my apologizing this game... Ofc now I see people going after JAT and there really isn't much of a case on JAT being mafia and in Void he seemed like a dick from like Day 1 as mafia so idk if he is or isn't mafia. Damdred at least trying to push his sicklucker case overnight and I discovered from his case though that sicklucker had been going in and out when people don't talk about lynching him and honestly sicklucker thinks my possible sheeping is scummy from the fact he played with me when I was scum but he forgot my filter size as scum is much smaller than when I was town. And ofc HF still doesn't reveal his potential mafia team. And ofc I saw Palmar wanting to policy lynch Damdred for being a dick lol..... I will vote for sicklucker for now until something changes my mind like a scumslip. ##Vote: sicklucker uh, scuse me but yes there is also these walls. does LS normally post big walls like this? i have a super double probationary secret scumtell that might be relevant to this | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:19 Palmar wrote: Also seeing as marv has about 15% of the posts in this game, I'm super unimpressed with his results. I don't really think he's mafia, I was just hoping to find something I could sheep. Sheep me | ||
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On February 05 2015 15:40 Eden1892 wrote: But yeah this list. I don't like it at all. Holyflare is on there for no reason. I bugged him about this and he basically confirmed HF is there for no reason. He has 3 people that he lists as "could be convinced to lynch" but then says he would "need a good case on [them] to lynch them" which doesn't make sense. If you'd need a good case on them then obviously you don't really think they're mafia, so why do you even bother to list them in this set? What's really interesting too is that he clarifies to put rsoultin in this group, but unlike all the others here, rsoultin is actually being pushed. If you think someone probably isn't mafia then why aren't you going to bat for them in the thread when other people are trying to lynch them? When you distill it down it's just Damdred and SL which, oh yeah, have been the same targets people talked about all day. JAT provides no original insight or reasoning into lynching any of them and doesn't even bother to rehash reasons people already stated. And all that could be okay if it were just an update list to tell us where he's at, and if he planned to do more later to narrow this down and give some more useful reads. But that's not what happened. He ends up asking me some questions that clearly weren't going anywhere because "you can never be too sure" I'm not mafia. Says some stuff about SL that is incorrect, some other zzz one-liners. Put yourself in that situation as a townie. You allegedly have a pool of lynches that's half of the game long with 24 hours to pick one, and you know you have sleep and work coming up taking out the majority of that time. Surely you're going to make some meaningful effort to engage people and refine your views right? JAT doesn't do this. We should lynch him On February 05 2015 16:02 Eden1892 wrote: Eh I think there's some decent stuff in the other things too. His reads are boring, I feel like the cool town players (which I consider JAT to be) have more interesting reads than what he gave. But hey if the bold will get you to vote him I'm a-ok with you thinking the rest is shit [/QUOTE] | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:23 Palmar wrote: Why are people townreading HF btw? Did I miss something? no, not really. most people aren't commenting on him in one way or another also I revoke my probationary scumtell, it appears LS sometimes posts walls as town based on reading past games | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:27 Palmar wrote: Why did you specifically point out HF being on JAT's scumlist then? If he has done nothing of notice, wouldn't it be normal to be okay with lynching him? (I'm mostly asking because I would probably be okay with lynching HF). Cause of why he put HF on there. He didn't say "HF has done nothing of notice," he said "HF hasn't done anything which can't make him mafia," which as far as I know HF is a pretty small selection of actions. Doubtless HF wouldn't have the rep he has as mafia if there were a reliable list of things he only does as town from which one could read him. He'd be caught far more easily than he is. And when I pressed him to get clarification the end conclusion was that it was just a fear read. He wasn't actually okay lynching HF, and one of the points I make about his list is that half of the people on it are people that he doesn't actually want to lynch anyway. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:30 LightningStrike wrote: Like when I read your thing on JAT it doesn't seem much of a case it more like here why I think JAT is mafia type of thing and honestly I do agree with I think HF on the fact the only like the last 2 sentences was the only thing I can get out of that can make JAT be scum. wtf does that even mean? and why do you think only the last 2 sentences make JAT mafia? | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:33 LightningStrike wrote: Fine well I just don't think it's a good enough case for today to go on and sicklucker looks like the better chance of flipping scum when I must forgive myself for calling sicklucker town when he was scum in Linux.... why not? | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:33 Palmar wrote: How about you post a damn case Eden, stop sucking. Don't just say why you think he's mafia. MAKE A CASE. ![[image loading]](http://blog.ogletreedeakins.com/assets/Briefcase-With-Money-Hi-Res.jpg) | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:37 LightningStrike wrote: Mainly it seems like just your thoughts that's it. JAT haven't done much other than a few questions and calling me town. Only the last two sentences really would make JAT mafia because of the fact he didn't really ask much to refine his views and more sheepish I think is the right term here? Anyways that's my thoughts on your thing on JAT. that's like... half the entire point. LOL He hasn't done much. That's part of why he's mafia. He's not been very insightful or effective and he's not been digging into the game to correct this. He's a pretty good player, so I expect that his normal town game will be insightful and effective. And importantly, if it's not, I expect him to feel some kind of a sense of urgency to correct this. We see neither. Why would that be town JAT? | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:47 LightningStrike wrote: He could just be a busy irl town or mafia but again I might be bias but I only played with JAT once when he was town in Metal Mini I might just reread his filter from that game. ...I accounted for him being busy in the case. That's also part of why he's mafia. Given that he's very probably busy (as he noted himself in the thread), I would expect more urgency to figure the game out when he has been here. I don't see that urgency reading his filter. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:49 marvellosity wrote: if you buy me a bigger medal cabinet bro those tee ball trophies aren't gonna present themselves! | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:55 Palmar wrote: I actually like this JAT+Damdy+(rsoultin/LS/Kosher) sounds about right. A+ for including Koshi as a possible mafia. I was just thinking the same thing when I saw the vote count | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:04 Damdred wrote: JAT has a much lower chance to flip scum than SL does. You have hard defended SL for pages and haven't even responded to any part of my case or my response to your original reasons why hes scum when instead you directed the thread towards a different vein which is total bullshit. Now Breshke and SL are voting together when bresh said my case was good and I was town. You don't even blink when SL changes from Lets kill Damdred since mafia is trying to push off me onto him and all of a sudden hes super happy lynching JAT. Who by the way is always super try hard as mafia tone is super different from his mafia game. | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:27 Damdred wrote: Your right i'm being an asshole, because people have been assholes to me this game. Have I been? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:21 Koshi wrote: Poor JATtie ##vote JAT well let's not all run out and vote for him at the same time. Lol | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:36 Palmar wrote: yes and I don't understand it. Either he deals extremely poorly with pressure, or he's mafia and being mad is easier than actually trying to engage people. The thing that gives me pause is that maybe he doesn't deal with pressure well. In Linux for example, he fakeclaimed blue to get people off his back. It worked out well for him, but it came off more as a desperate play to get Holyflare out of his face than a calculated risk. But then he ended up dropping the Bomb of the Year so far that same day, so. Eh. Damdred are you good with pressure? | ||
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pls no. If he's town and legitimately upset this isn't helping things, if he's mafia and bullshitting it then you're giving him a pretense to keep stonewalling. Either way this doesn't help | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:42 batsnacks wrote: I think we should disregard any contributions Damdred has made so far and policy lynch him for this weak bitchy marytr stuff. Man don't even derail my majestic wagon with PL shit rn. bats did you have anything to say about JAT? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:43 Koshi wrote: Damdred. Chill out. Lynch JAT. Blame marv/eden/Palmar when he flips town. actual scumslip doe... | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:45 Damdred wrote: Which btw 7 vote on JAT at this point is really weird, as I think the reason for voting JAT are really bad. And the case on SL is much better. You are more than welcome to discuss the JAT case with me if you think it's bad | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:47 batsnacks wrote: Not really. I don't agree with his SL read but i don't think jat would lie about an SL read as any alignment so... not much to say. ...do you not have an opinion about whether he's town or mafia? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:48 Koshi wrote: It's when he flips we blame you guys. Not if he flips town. ...you said "when he flips town" | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:49 marvellosity wrote: this is one of those non-native thingies. Koshi has his own style of speaking Lol, ok then. I didn't think it meant anything in the first place tbh, just piqued my curiosity when he repeated it. Someone be absolutely sure to contradict this guy if he's wrong though | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote: I have already said what I thought. Nothing you posted makes him mafia, sometimes he just doesn't do much as town through D1. You said the game was really hard and you have waffled about almost half of the game so i'm not sure why lynching into people JAT wasn't town reading is necessarily scummy. His reads are generally boring overall even as town, he says what he has to in as few words as possible as both alignments so kinda null. What you wrote doesn't make him mafia in my eyes. I disagree with this on two points (1) If the game is hard your response should be to put in more effort to solve it, not less. My waffling about a lot of the game doesn't mean anything here, because whenever I did I had reasons for doing so and I dug into them further to try to sort them out. JAT's lynch list literally has 4 people on it strictly because of POE, and he makes no followup effort in the time he's online after that to narrow it down. It isn't that he wanted to lynch into non-townreads, it's that he had a large pool of them and made no concerted effort to narrow the pool in order to actually hit mafia. (2) His reads aren't boring because he doesn't say a lot, they're boring because they're all pretty much in line with thread consensus and he does nothing to develop those reads after he makes them. | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:56 batsnacks wrote: No I think the inactivity is weird but it's not like jat is notorious for lurking as mafia. I think the wagon on him is useful and justified. Gotcha. Was just checking b/c it was odd to me that you chimed in when you did and said nothing about the wagon developing. lol | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:58 Damdred wrote: Scum damdred had like a 25 page filter in imperial, scum marv had a 40 page filter in imperial. Therefore if they are scum they should always have those size filters. correct? I would actually try to compute an average multiplier that compares their average filter lengths as town and as mafia to the average filter length of the games in question in which they rolled town or mafia. Then you would have a stat that adjusts for activity level in the game, number of players in the game, etc. A static number doesn't mean much. What was this in response to? | ||
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On February 06 2015 00:59 sicklucker wrote: If your town can you consider the possibility im looking really town and this makes you look really bad? Because im town and your either wrong or mafia. wtf is this lol sickgoobi pls. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:04 Palmar wrote: I retract retracting my scumread on Damdred. He is now scum4lyfe in this game for being super hostile and annoying. It does not fit with the personality I had attributed to him. He basically chooses to make stand-offs instead of actually trying to talk people into doing shit. I think Damdred is a nice guy, and on the verge of becoming a truly great TL mafia player (like one of the elite players). This just doesn't fit with anything. It's out of character, it's weird, and it's not productive, and he KNOWS it's not productive. I cannot believe he's town here. i really want the list of these players now | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:13 justanothertownie wrote: Wtf is this shit... good morning!!!! die | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:14 justanothertownie wrote: Shut up. You are not lynching me. scoreboard | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:13 Damdred wrote: Anyway, I don't think imperial is a good game to judge someones meta on besides perhaps tone which there is a lot more example of. Maybe writing style to, but in a game that's so big its really easy to get lost, normally I can remember every page I read roughly and find what i'm looking for past day two in imperial I was lucky to remember things we talked about 10 pages ago there was so much information overload. SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point. Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him. I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing. I just don't know if this makes him scum. first of all, no one lynch this guy, please secondly, can you cite quotes for the two examples at the end of paragraph 3? or at least for the "he made one about me [...]" bit because I can't parse what you mean there. I can check the paranoid stuff myself I guess Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote: And what let's you make this debatable conclusion? I literally posted a POE list which indicates a townread or at least a don't lynch read on every player not on it. uh, probably the 'rigorous' part. handing out townreads without explanation != rigor and while this isn't related to being rigorous with townreads specifically, the more general point of not being sufficiently rigorous to do a POE lynch holds because you narrowed your list to seven and then didn't make an effort to get it any lower | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote: There is absolutely no reason for anyone to think I am scum unless you say that having to work makes me scum somehow which is retarded. So the only reason to vote me is to pressure me which is just as retarded since being voted does not magically make me have time regardess of my alignment. bruh you spent 2 hours in the thread after you posted that list and spent literally the whole time talking about not-the-people-on-your-list, except the one time I questioned you on HF where you had to I think you're mafia because you gave us this list of names to lynch half the game long that was basically completely in line with thread direction, added nothing to the discussion, and then didn't do anything to narrow down the list and provide any new insights into the players on that list | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote: Bullshit. I dare you to read the post and tell me again I did not narrow it down. Not to mention that I have enough time today to do that. yeah I just did. you had Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills and 5 other people as "would kill if convinced" and then didn't do anything to develop that. and you spent 2 hours in the thread after posting it, no time johns for you | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:29 justanothertownie wrote: So, I did narrow it down and you were pushing me for something that isn't true. GJ Eden. i hope that defense sounded better in your head, because you're still apparently ignoring the key point which is that you still spent time in the thread not doing anything to develop that list. you just dropped the list and then talked about other stuff instead | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote: This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments? | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:37 Damdred wrote: These are just some of the posts I've pulled out where he looks like hes doing things and dI like the posts even if they are about me. Also you accuse him of not furthering his reads or pressuring people basically, but if you read his filter a good portion of it is questions to me for example on some reads or statements he disagrees with. He wants to lynch me and he is interacting with me, he is doing the JAT thing trying to figure things out towards me at least. I think he looks ok, not super town but shouldnt' be lynched today. The marv thing is fluff, I don't see where the tone thing is going. He does stay on point about you being too sure of your reads, so I guess I went too far in saying he did nothing, but if that's all he managed in the time he had, I'm still not convinced he put much effort into it. | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote: I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial Obviously not, I didn't say you had to decide between them right then. What I meant is, where are you questioning Damdred and sicklucker to develop your reads so you'll know who you want to pick? | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:44 justanothertownie wrote: Damdred just told you I was questioning him. What on earth are you talking about? What happened to your towngame since Imperial? You are spamming, confirmation biasing and trolling. All the things you said you didn't want to to anymore. It is really sad. Definitely not trolling | ||
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- Why did LightningStrike flip onto JAT from SL when SL was voting JAT? - What's Koshi even doing? Maybe that's where I should be looking for people who I think aren't putting in time. - If I think JAT is town then rsoultin and especially Damdred are probably town as well. I don't see why Damdred would be anywhere close to invested in the arguments around JAT if he were mafia. And rsoultin saying, in effect, "I see where you're going on JAT but I'm staying on SL" is pretty good if you assume JAT is town. It's not that she couldn't do that as mafia, but in any world where SL is mafia, she doesn't stay as mafia, she switches, imo. If SL is also town it's another story and she could be mafia. - Oddly enough I still like SL. Sorry Damdred. I swear I'm not saying this just to piss you off. - Holyflare, batsnacks and Onegu are all off doing their own thing. One of them is probably mafia. - Don't remember why Breshke moved. I think I like lynching Koshi and one of HF/batsnacks/Onegu, more likely HF/batsnacks because Onegu is already on Koshi. | ||
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Lemme go see why he moved again and read filter like bats said Idk I kinda want Koshi cause I expect better from him. Think about how big an ax he had to grind about town being shitters in Void. If he rolled town again wouldn't you expect him to ball out more? | ||
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On February 06 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote: Why is damdred town for siding with me? That is the easiest fucking thing in the world to do as scum. I am never getting mislynched and people will sooner rather than later realize that I am town and then he looks good. And even if you lynched me he would still look good. It isn't him siding with you, it's that he bothered to be involved at all. He went back and dug out quotes showing where you pushed your read on him that I missed in my reading. He's been arguing the case with me since before you even arrived back in the thread. It's not impossible for him to do as mafia, but I can't see why he would give a shit, I guess? Seems like if he's mafia he would be more than happy to let me keep yelling about lynching you, especially when Palmar and marv were in the thread saying they'd want to lynch Damdred if not you. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:00 marvellosity wrote: and yeah, mafia get way over-invested in defending townies all the time, it's a very natural thing to do Yeah, but when they're the alternate candidate? Because you and Palmar were very clearly going to lynch Damdred if not JAT | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote: Also eden why did you have such a hard on for jat following thread sentiment to you but youd on't see anything wrong with breshke filter when he sheeped onto jat with one of his scum reads because that's what was being talked about? I meant with the "passive" descriptor specifically, sorry. I see where you're coming from on his vote switch. I think the passive part matters because it's the reason batsnacks keeps pushing on Breshke, and I'm not really sold on batsnacks being town. It'd help me get a read on bats if I knew where he's coming from. I could lynch Breshke today, I think I rather Koshi because I expect more from him though. This guy rants way too much in obs qt about town not seeing obvious mafia for him to roll town and be this apathetic about the game. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Okay JAT isn't good to lynch today and I back at square 1 except it's possible Breshke and sicklucker would be mafia but I don't have a case on them. You don't have a case on sicklucker? | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote: Eden point me out a few good things in breshkes filter There was one point where he was discussing LightningStrike and it seemed like his read on LS was pretty natural and evolving. That's all I really remember though. | ||
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On February 05 2015 23:18 LightningStrike wrote: I just woke up and saw Damdred started to change his mind on me ^_^ and Breshke is still feeling icky on me about my apologizing this game... Ofc now I see people going after JAT and there really isn't much of a case on JAT being mafia and in Void he seemed like a dick from like Day 1 as mafia so idk if he is or isn't mafia. Damdred at least trying to push his sicklucker case overnight and I discovered from his case though that sicklucker had been going in and out when people don't talk about lynching him and honestly sicklucker thinks my possible sheeping is scummy from the fact he played with me when I was scum but he forgot my filter size as scum is much smaller than when I was town. And ofc HF still doesn't reveal his potential mafia team. And ofc I saw Palmar wanting to policy lynch Damdred for being a dick lol..... I will vote for sicklucker for now until something changes my mind like a scumslip. ##Vote: sicklucker On February 05 2015 23:33 LightningStrike wrote: Fine well I just don't think it's a good enough case for today to go on and sicklucker looks like the better chance of flipping scum when I must forgive myself for calling sicklucker town when he was scum in Linux.... On February 06 2015 00:03 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I just looked at JAT's filter from Metal Mini at least first 6 pages he was asking a lot more questions and trying to solve the game and he seems more interesting than this game other than his read on me. I think both SL and JAT likely partners and since people are going for JAT I diving in with you guys! ##Unvote ##Vote: Justanothertownie On February 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Okay JAT isn't good to lynch today and I back at square 1 except it's possible Breshke and sicklucker would be mafia but I don't have a case on them. LS, what changed? You had a progressively stronger scumread on SL and then as soon as the JAT wagon is gone you decide you have no case on SL anymore? | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:25 Damdred wrote: What about his weird soft defense of me when I was under the most pressure? On a quick skim the first thing I see is a pretty hard defense tbh On February 05 2015 16:38 Breshke wrote: I also really like damdreds case on SL and am fairly certain damdred is town This post especially reminded me of the kind of complaining(I cant think of a less offensive word) he did when i last played with him as town and he thought people werent listening to what he was saying. I have no idea if he is capable of replicating this as mafia And furthermore it seems like almost all of the posts where I ctrl-f'd Damdred looked pretty good. There's points where he displays reasonable hesitation in voting you, he's questioning people like rsoultin for how they got on your case, it just reads like someone who's being careful to consider all the possibilities. I kinda like it actually. I would much rather lynch Koshi. (I already voted him btw) | ||
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If y'all think he's mafia and I gave up too easily, why the hell are you bitching at me for giving up so soon when you could be arguing with him yourselves and proving him mafia? | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:30 Holyflare wrote: That's what you said you wanted unless you're telling me you lied about your policy talk day 1 Why are you still on Damdred | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:32 sicklucker wrote: Im leaning town on koshi. And im open to a small possibility that edens trolling us by voting everyone in a day I'm not trolling. What has Koshi done this game? I can't help that so many people in this game aren't being clearly town. I have like 4 people I wouldn't lynch right now. | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:37 Koshi wrote: I have done more than enough to not get plynched. Like what? | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:38 Holyflare wrote: You can't say it's a keyword if it's literally not in your post at all LOL | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:38 Koshi wrote: Because I am an incredible good player. Your play this game is bootyjuice | ||
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But why would you? I played you once as mafia and once as town. You were active and involved in Imperial and flipped town. You were inactive and detached in Melee Mini and were mafia. Why should I pattern match you to anything but mafia right now? | ||
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On February 06 2015 03:25 Holyflare wrote: jat why are you busy arguing with your voters instead of just showing them some mafia? Thank God you're here. Good question | ||
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On February 06 2015 04:34 Koshi wrote: Meh true. I might have been too fast on rsoultin. Her last passage was just telling us she might come back if it serves her agenda. Incredibly charitable read | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:02 sicklucker wrote: Why do you want to kill me when I obviously dont care. Like im about to vote eden because I know hes never going to die and go to bed What. | ||
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Jesus How am I the only one calling this guy out for voting Damdred despite him not scumreading Damdred for like 16 hours now | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:10 Damdred wrote: SL doesn't really care who dies as he claims rsoultin doesn't but he clearly cares about dying wee should kill him I am so close to copping out and doing this because fuck it, but I feel like town SL can do literally everything he's done itt | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:59 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, so this where I am at: We should be lynching one of these people: SL, Breshke, Koshi with an outside chance of rsoultin/Onegu Out of this list I really think Koshi is best. Even when he 'tried' recently I didn't feel his posts were really that great. I could also be okay with an rsoultin lynch but I feel like if she flips town I'll feel like a fucking idiot for signing off on it. Whereas I wouldn't if Koshi flips town. So I rather Koshi I just at the end of the day don't feel it on SL and Breshke. Onegu feels like a coinflip | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:13 Holyflare wrote: It's not like it's deadline soon and it matters? Under 2 hours boss Come on help me out this game is hard | ||
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I need this question answered Breshke Good question JAT | ||
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On February 06 2015 06:21 justanothertownie wrote: Fine. This is exactly why I said I wouldn't be answering him on this earlier. No, I understand, sorry for giving you shit about it earlier Just y'all please try to tune that out until EOD at least. Y'all can have a fucking 24-hour thunderdome for all I care during the night but we really gotta figure this lynch out with the quickness | ||
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OK bye I thought you were softing a role with some fluff quotes from something or other that you quoted. I couldn't figure it out but I assumed it was a breadcrumb and left it alone Now I see you lurking and not doing anything, and to boot you tripped my triple-secret-ultra-probationary scumtell. You tripped it last game you were scum too. Onegu is mafia because he's been voting for Koshi the whole time but not pushing the Koshi read or significantly interacting with the thread either to convince people to lynch Koshi or to be convinced to lynch someone else. | ||
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...fuck that actually makes sense doe like he has these random posts that make 0 sense that sound like posts someone who's high would make urhgusigdfighudif | ||
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Thunderdome this shit leggo Other townies: Please do not lynch these people: Damdred sicklucker Breshke justanothertownie I feel like they are all town. I know some of you disagree. Please do not make a mondo wagon late that will seal their fates | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote: I was about to slam into Breshke but i really didn't expect that "i think we are all town" thing. I really don't think it's Breshke. His filter is too earnest. Holybro talked about this earlier I think | ||
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The lynch today is Onegu or Koshi. Both of them have been afk most of the game and not cared much. Both of them are good enough to do better. sicklucker, Breshke, justanothertownie... these are all distractions. Attempts to overload the mind with noise and to drown out the True Way All we need to do is tune out these distractions. Make Onegu make a case on Koshi. If it's good follow it and lynch Koshi. If it's bad lynch Onegu. Be Zen | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:23 LightningStrike wrote: So who we lynch today if it's not sicklucker? sicklucker is a distraction Be Mindfulness Be Zen | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I kinda want to lynch Damdred Bad grasshopper Be Zen | ||
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People who tried hard enough to earn a d2 (or more, as the case may be) Damdred sicklucker Breshke justanothertownie People who didn't Koshi Onegu | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: What you mean be Zen? In mafia, townies are suspicious for things they do. Mafia are suspicious for things they don't. It is the absence of activity that we should be hunting Getting distracted by players who are unintentional trolls like SL but are way too active to be mafia is not the way to find mafia | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:33 Koshi wrote: Where is this case from Onegu? I dunno but he has 10 minutes before I autofail him and lynch him instead of you | ||
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For someone like Koshi who's supposed to be super good at town and be able to find stuff on its own? Yeah it's more than a little alarming that Koshi hasn't had an original push all game (except he claims maybe Breshke, but Koshi didn't even push that very hard from what I remember? someone falsify this if I'm wrong) Idk I kinda like this. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:40 Koshi wrote: Are you scumslipping? So you looked closer at me because I didn't recall a game in which you were mafia and you were tunneling me? He's not even citing that as a point against you. That was literally a preface of his suspicion of you. What are you even doing | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:43 Koshi wrote: WHAT? So he thinks I am scum because I don't remind a game in which he was scum and tunneling me LIKE HE IS DOING THIS GAME????????? no. he brought it up to explain why he started looking at you. the core of his case is contained in the discussion after that. this is really obvious to me and I don't understand why it isn't to you | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:44 Holyflare wrote: yes because if you were town you'd remember and be looking out for stuff like that, it actually kind of makes sense? oh I didn't even think of that angle lol | ||
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You're not honestly going to tell me this was your best effort as town are you? Sorry bro, I'm a fan of your work, you're better than this. | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:46 Holyflare wrote: i'm gonna do a super speedy filter dive of everyone and pick a new wagon I advise skipping mine, you might not finish reading it before d2 | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: I really think we should lynch Damdred but at the same time i'm not confident enough to shout at people doing other things. Boo. stop making me want to yolowagon you | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:48 Holyflare wrote: is nobody else concerned that all of onegu's points happen after he voted for koshi and onegu waited till he was literally forced to make a case 20 mins before deadline to make one? or the fact he did nothing after saying he'd step it up or the fact as soon as I called him out he instantly responded? eh I'm worried about it but I think he's right on Koshi so ??? if Koshi isn't going I could also lynch Onegu I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:49 Palmar wrote: Like I'm not gonna cry if koshi dies, serves him right for being shit. But still, I think Damdred has a higher chance of flipping mafia. He sucked early in the game, his read was strange. He tried to brush off my push as something irrelevant and change subject Instead of trying to just move the game forward he got mad I really feel like this last part isn't true and it's a big part of why I think Damdred should not be the lynch He spent a lot of time trying to move the game forward by discussing sicklucker and JAT iyam | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Onegu holybro has the most mindmeld moments with me, I want either one of these two guys. if HF wants Onegu we'll do Onegu | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:53 Holyflare wrote: shocker you don't play and people want to lynch you this is lian obs qt levels LMAO | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote: You sure this time, Eden? Yeah I'm locked in | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:54 Palmar wrote: rofl this is great, we're all so fucking bad at mafia Frankly this might be the worst d1 in terms of talent level : production I've ever seen in a mafia game | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote: abandon wagon ABANDON WAGON SHEEP TO DAMDRED OR I LYNCH YOU TOMORROW ![[image loading]](http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/It_4a9f37_1642377.gif) | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:18 Holyflare wrote:  ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................+1 | ||
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So pretty much we've figured out that every wagon was town yeah? | ||
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why damdred and not sicklucker | ||
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i didn't actually want sl to be modklled... or damdred... i was making a case for NOT modkilling damdred... fuck | ||
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I can understand why the modkills flipping would be kinda unfair for mafia since it's effectively a triple lynch, but does town get to know how many mafia are left? It's kinda important for understanding if we're at LYLO-1 tomorrow or not | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:34 Fecalfeast wrote: modkill | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:34 marvellosity wrote: sl is gonna be mafia isn't he i would be sad. but then happy because we hit mafia, but then sad again because i was wrong on soulread | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote: LAST WARNING THEN I TYPED THIS LIKE 6 SECONDS AFTER. GOOD MODKILL NOT it was a full minute after. I saw it in real time bruh, sorry | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: The last time sicklucker was mod killed he was scum but before that he was mod killed as town so 50-50. Lol, this guy | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:35 Koshi wrote: Sicklucker suddenly cares. I got a good feeling about this. hahaha lol, right? SL you should probably stop posting after being modkilled. js | ||
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there's no way anybody who voted SL at EOD is mafia right? two town wagons to hop on instead | ||
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in that case Be Zen | ||
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I could honest to god lynch anybody rn except myself | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:41 Palmar wrote: #rekt I'm going to enjoy this now pl | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:41 Breshke wrote: Im a chief mate, I wont be shooting because it puts us in Mylo what | ||
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THIS GAME DOE | ||
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But really, Be Zen. | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:43 Breshke wrote: It doesnt matter i wont be using my role im like a named VT if i shoot we go to Lylo if i dont shoot we have two lynches This actually makes a lot of sense to me I buy it | ||
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I probably wouldn't lynch Holyflare either for the amount of mindmelding I had but otherwise I think everyone is on the table. Pretty awesome how I'm definitely getting n1'd now because I'm the only one who could See Beyonde The Noise | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:48 marvellosity wrote: you saw nothing, eden and the fact you doubt me makes you pretty terrible OK now you're gonna go make me quote it On February 06 2015 07:13 Eden1892 wrote: OK I will give Onegu one shot to make a case Koshi is mafia. I actually think Koshi could be mafia so I'm okay giving him a chance to prove it. If it doesn't pass the shit test I'm voting Onegu, if it does I'm voting Koshi. Thunderdome this shit leggo Other townies: Please do not lynch these people: Damdred sicklucker Breshke justanothertownie I feel like they are all town. I know some of you disagree. Please do not make a mondo wagon late that will seal their fates | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:51 rsoultin wrote: well obviously we're not lynching breshke tomorrow i don't see how this is obvious + Show Spoiler + | ||
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i'd almost rather him shoot so you can't possibly fuck this up | ||
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i'm kinda ready to lynch rsoultin on my terrible awful no good very bad emoticon argument because it's actually brilliant and genius in a terrible way i am still feelin koshi tbh. if he plays good d2 we don't have to lynch him but if he has a repeat of d1 his ass is done IMO i don't like how now bats' only real contribution to the game is tunneling on a townie LS could actually be mafia. maybe i want to ride with my baller scumread from this morning and say jat is mafia but i feel that'd be irresponsible palmarv are unimpressive too, but at least they tried. like if i lose to them as mafia because they maintained the appearance of competent townies having an off day amidst this fuckin zoo then i won't be too mad. i probably won't lynch them unless everyone steps up and they remain meh | ||
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but i really don't like marv's "omg u guys im sooooooo bad" spiel rn. step the fuck up son | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:04 Holyflare wrote: but what if I AM mafia? after all those mindmelds i'm not even mad. lightning won't strike twice like that so i'm cool with it | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:05 justanothertownie wrote: I think you have a little too many scumreads there Eden. You should definitely put in effort to narrow it down more. i will not stoop Be Zen | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:09 rsoultin wrote: Lol, LS, I know what emoticons are. I just don't know how that's even a reason to scumread anyone? you post them all the time normally. like -.- or :D or what have you your filter is largely devoid of them this game, which would coincide with being mafia to me | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:10 LightningStrike wrote: It isn't a good reason to scumread people. it is a great reason. when people are nervous their speaking and writing habits change. they become more formal and detached than they normally would be | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:13 marvellosity wrote: if rso is mafia, eden, you can apologise to me for defending her all day whenever i/hf were suspicious of her. just sayin like yeah yeah kiss the ring for being wrong about like 3 ppl i defended and we'll call it square | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:14 rsoultin wrote: lol, I kind of get your point but you're wrong...and now i'm thinking about them and it just feels weird thanks you're incredibly welcome lynch time~ | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:19 rsoultin wrote: dude, you mislynch me over emoticons, you will be replacing geript on my list of arrogant donkey towns for all time xP and I even like you. or you're mafia, in which case holy shit at that filter and please carry on or you could be mafia and this could literally be my greatest case of all time | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:21 Holyflare wrote: it's such a multifaceted case too, on the one hand you have her not posting emoticons which this case clearly emphasises the subject matter is about and then the use of unhappy faces portrays that she is uptight/sad/not her normal self, then the final nail is the coffin is that it says rs is mafia rs mafia confirmed roflmao | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:32 rsoultin wrote: such a pain, having to think, I know. anything else before I poof for awhile? dismissed corporal | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:35 rsoultin wrote: staff sergeant to you. if you're lucky i'll let you get away with sarge lol WHOOSH i missed bad lmao how long have you been in the military anyway | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote: yeh mafia is undeniably palmar or jat because they are just the type of people to qq in their scum qt/pms about modkilling dude the jat/koshi gut reads are so real and then bats falls under my guy-doing-his-own-thing tell i solved it guys we can go home now | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:48 Holyflare wrote: i really hope i'm mafia this game telling you right now that i refuse to consider you as mafia 1000% keep me alive and you'll win guaranteed | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:52 Holyflare wrote: I think you're just saying that so I don't nk you i don't know why you would think such a thing | ||
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On February 06 2015 09:59 Holyflare wrote: i think my room is being haunted or some shit keep seeing shadows from the corner of my eye either that or i'm being robbed by a black guy seems legit | ||
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On February 06 2015 11:29 LightningStrike wrote: Seems like OMGUS type of play from him because people were proding him for the last 24 hours for his case on Koshi being scum and honestly the case itself is meh like his thing about not remembering all the games and his sheeping the popular read which I just done myself tbh with you since I didn't case for his case and the fact he decided to just RNG his sheep is meh because the fact that if he wanted to sheep someone he should of picked someone else other than himself not RNG it. How was it OMGUS when Onegu had been on Koshi for days? And what's actually wrong with his case? Don't just call it meh, quote it and dissect the parts you find unconvincing. | ||
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On February 06 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: Okay, budget and resume done. I'm in the thread if anyone wants to discuss anything, at least for the next hour or so. Bresh, are you doing vote analysis? I'm debating whether or not to wait for the weekend to reread and just look at the votes for tonight. @Eden...USAF Staff Sergeant, so E-5. You're not that far off. It'll be 6 years in April. oh, you are older than me. Lol Obviously my recommendation is to catch up now instead of later. You have about a 0.001% chance of getting nightkilled, but you get an extra phase to interact with whomever else will be nk'd, and you never know, maybe the mafia will just mindgame us and shoot you. Get involved while you can. | ||
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On February 06 2015 12:53 Holyflare wrote: i got a case pants on [OFF] | ||
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Dammit Holyflare why you gotta do this. Now I only got 2 townreads in this whole place and one of them is me! | ||
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Vote Count sicklucker (4): Damdred, rsoultin, justanothertownie, LightningStrike Onegu (3): marvellosity, Holyflare, Koshi justanothertownie (2): sicklucker, Palmar Koshi (2): Onegu, Eden1892 Breshke (1): batsnacks Not voted (1): Breshke Vote Count sicklucker (4): Damdred, rsoultin, justanothertownie, Koshi Koshi (3): Onegu, Eden1892, Breshke Onegu (3): Holyflare, sicklucker, LightningStrike Damdred (2): marvellosity, Palmar Breshke (1): batsnacks Final Vote Count Onegu (4): LightningStrike, Eden1892, rsoultin, Koshi Damdred (4): marvellosity, Palmar, Holyflare, sicklucker sicklucker (3): Damdred, justanothertownie, batsnacks Koshi (2): Onegu, Breshke Off the top of my head: - I don't think there's anything malicious to batsnacks's late switch. rsoultin makes a good observation that batsnacks's vote came a little too late to make it count, but given how chaotic the day was at the end (with multiple people not even knowing who had been lynched), it's entirely understandable that batsnacks might be mistaken in thinking that his vote would impact the lynch. - I'm struggling to see the mafia incentive for forming a wagon on Damdred at the last minute. marvellosity even started it as a claimed miller. Granted, claimed miller really doesn't mean anything... it's probably worthwhile to see why people got on this wagon, though. It came somewhat out of the blue. - Running with my thought from before that Koshi might be mafia, I actually feel like rsoultin could be mafia with him, because even though she declared intention to sheep me well in advance of EOD and even though I was very clear about wanting to vote between Onegu and Koshi, she didn't actually follow me until I moved off of Koshi and onto Onegu and even confirmed that I wasn't going back to Koshi. Associative reads and all, but this seems pretty damning since to my knowledge she didn't have much of a read on Koshi to that point (and thus no impetus to hesitate). | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:36 Holyflare wrote: LOOK AT THIS: The clangers, what are they? THEY ARE FUCKING MOON BEINGS THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE, AWESOME AWESOME MOON BEINGS. RIGHT SO WHO WAS IT MADE BY? OLIVER MOTHER FUCKING POSTGATE WHAT ELSE DID THIS SUAVE SON OF A BITCH MAKE? ONLY IVOR THE FUCKING LEGENDARY ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT DOESN'T STOP THERE THOUGH, DOES IT?????? HELL NO, HOLYFLARE, IT DOES NOT!!!!!!!!!!! ![[image loading]](http://www.smallfilms.co.uk/ivor/f4.gif) ^ when you look closely at this beast of an engine you can quite clearly see the letters M&L - RTCL, now I know what you're thinking! You're thinking "what the fuck holyflare, M&L - RTCL clearly stands for the Merioneth and Llantisilly Rail Traction Company Limited!" Right? WRONG WRONG WRONG That's just what oliver postgate wanted you to think, bear in mind the creative genius of this specimen of human perfection who came up with not ONLY the CLANGERS but also gems like IVOR THE ENGINE and NOGGIN THE NOG!!!! we have to go deeper at first I tried every combination of names I could think of, his name/age/location/sex/family members/schooling/wives and gf's/pet names/kinks but NO, of course he was too intelligent to leave a clue so obvious! I began to piece it all together, at first it was just a collection of letters, anagrams, just fucking useless letters! That was until I began to see the truth. To see what the late Oliver Postgate truly was........... a mafia psychic. The M&L - RTCL was a code that could only broken by someone who had surpassed the level of ordinary mafia veteran, I had to meditate on it... ponder.....what could they mean?? Then it hit me... I transcended the barrier of the game of mafia and foresaw what was coming the M&L - Mafia & Lynches, it was a fucking CHEAT SHEET.... now I wondered if it just applied to a game that he played in the past, oh NO NO NO, Oliver Postgate was a mafia PSYCHIC... it had to be a future game! I used my super special transcendent algorithm to find the real answer to who was mafia and what order of lynches we'd pursue! The first - R - it was clearly quite obvious, rsoultin, no question about it The second - T - there was no t in the game? it was a test! using my algorithm it became quite a simple matter of copy and pasting though, T is the first letter of tit - who has tits? women! it didn't quite fit, the algorithm broke at that moment, it had to test my true knowledge rather than cheating for the cheat sheet! T - 20th in the alphabet, no go, there wasn't 20 people in the game OR WAS THERE I wondered why the game was particularly difficult, perhaps we were getting played, perhaps mafia was just afk, yet here it was as plain as day, the people we were playing against WERE HIDDEN IN NUMBERS NOT ON THE OP....... so I did some digging! Of course, Oliver Postgate had pulled through once against - T = twenty, twenty also begins with T, who else on the forum begins with T? 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TheAwesomeAll. TL Mafia XLIII Town Vanilla Survived TL Mafia XL Mafia Vanilla Modkilled Day 3 Of course, this was a mafia lynch list so I instinctively knew to check his mafia game TL Mafia XL. It's no coincidence that he's played 2 games of mafia beginning with T which when multiplied by the number associated with the letter leads to 2x20 which is what? 40!!!!!!!!! WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE GAME??????? TL MAFIA 40!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck did I find in this game? This prophecy. It was a large game with a large amount of people. I perused the list of names.... my heart skipped a beat... I knew it all along. The 20th letter of the alphabet's 20th player was the 20th slot of the 2x20th game. TheAwesomeAll http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/227500-tl-mafia-xl#3 The anagram of theawesome all? Wholesome meat. Who eats wholesome meat? Bats that are carnivorous eat wholesome meat as a snack! Who is that? BATSNACKS So there we have it. Batsnacks, Rsoultin were the first 2. Easy enough, this was just childs play! The third and fourth were obviously combined - CL - CL, commonly known as chlorine, used in swimming pools and cleaning products, who likes to go swimming?????? QUITE CLEARLY AQUATIC ANIMALS..... SO I WONDERED WHO WAS AN AQUATIC ANIMAL IN THIS GAME? ON FIRST GLANCE NOBODY BUT THEN IT HIT ME. Oliver Postgate would not leave me something so obvious. I had to go deeper. I googled absolutely everyones name, even my own! I could be mafia you know??? Thankfully it was not the case, I'm as town as this town gets. Yet, interestingly enough I hit the jackpot. BRESHKE. Albanian for... wait for it. ONLY A MOTHER FLIPPIN TURTLE UP IN THIS MOTHER FLIPPIN HOUSE. OLIVER POSTGATE SOLVED THIS GAME MANY MANY MANY YEARS AGO AND LEFT ME HIS CLUES IN HIS MAGICAL WELSH TRAIN IVOR. G FUCKING G Breshke, Rsoultin, Batsnacks. I mean I lol'd a bit, 7/10 I guess. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2XyqsXIQAAstGI.jpg:large) But that really didn't do anything for me bud. Think you can post this in a QT and show us later? | ||
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The whole thing just reeks, and he didn't really do much else yesterday either. | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:48 Holyflare wrote: man batsnacks has had 1 scum read the entire game literally the best summary of batsnacks reads this game | ||
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if the vig does not shoot, we have 2 partially town-directed kills (2 lynches) if the vig shoots once we have 1 partially town-directed kill (1 lynch) and 1 totally town-directed kill (1 shot) if the vig shoots twice we have 1 partial and 2 total plus breshke shooting confirms himself town if he's kept alive i know extra discussion could be nice and all but i actually think i would rather the vig shoot. | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:59 Breshke wrote: If i talk to you about this now and mafia has a RB im just going to get wifomed tomorrow. I will take what you have said into consideration though but id rather we don't talk about it Good call, just wanted to float the idea that it might not be strictly optimal to hold your shot. Mull it over and take the call. | ||
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On February 06 2015 13:59 Holyflare wrote: 3 rsoultin 7 Palmar 8 marvellosity 11 Koshi 13 justanothertownie This is my poe list ^, assuming that breshke is a town vig and not a mafia vig which is still a big leap for me to make so there's either 2 mafia in this list or all 3 Think I can take marv out because he counter claimed miller when he didn't need to and he's been posting all game so that leaves rsoul/palmar/koshi/jat, if breshke IS a town vigi shooting jat would be the super optimum play imo because it could get us back into this game, rsoul I thought was mafia all game but she seems to actually be around and posting when she doesn't need to be and nobody else is around.... bit annoyingly afk when it matters though jat completely wasted his vote on sl instead of switching to onegu like I'm sure he would have done if he was town and I was yelling about lynching someone because he knows how great I am at this game but instead he just wanted sl instead and when he was catching up he said nothing useful and yelled at people voting him to get off instead of solving the game, also the eden case where it said jat made a list and didn'tfollow it up was pretty ok palmar has done absolutely shit all apart from push town damdred and is pretty much a waste of space in this game and I wouldn't really care if we lost because we shot him koshi voted for onegu and is against breshke shooting although I remember him somewhere and i'm pretty sure it was him saying vigis should always shoot and imo it's optimal at this point in time anyway, he doesn't have any drive and he isn't really doing anything, he looked kind of ok at the start but isn't really playing the game at all so a giant ? and he COULD be towny one out of the 4 if rsoul is actually mafia Based God Holyflare This is literally where I am at with these 5 players, with the addition that I think Breshke is absolutely town vig. His logic for coming out when he did was real solid even if I'm starting to think he should shoot, and besides, I think it would be pretty stupid for mafia to fakeclaim vig in that spot and take the risk of there being a real vig ready to shoot him on sight. I also feel like rsoultin is probably town. I think I've decided I'm gonna trust my gut on this too, because that's been the right call on so much of this game thus far. My brain keeps coming up with shit like the emoticon usage and the improper-order reasoning back in the first 6-7 hrs of the game, but whenever she responds or tries to get involved, heart says town. It's like with SL and the others I've said this about before, I don't think I could decidedly prove rsoultin is town in a debate but I got that gutfeelz man. I'm gonna roll with LightningStrike being town based on my previous argument too, just so I have a reason down firm for why I think he's town. I don't have the gutfeelz to follow on this one but I think my argument actually works. batsnacks... meh. I'm just gonna sheep you and others on him being town based on meta. Someone should link me to his scum games so I can see for myself but this does sorta match up to my town priors on him. And he did try to push Breshke where he could, I think. I don't think he let himself get shouted down like mafia might in his spot. I would kill Koshi, JAT, Palmar, marv in that order. I really feel like an offhand comment I made a while back reflects on the game state right now: On February 06 2015 07:55 Eden1892 wrote: Frankly this might be the worst d1 in terms of talent level : production I've ever seen in a mafia game It's true. How does a town with Holyflare, Palmar, marvellosity, Koshi, justanothertownie and I have such a clusterfuck of a Day 1? (No disrespect to the other players but the 5 in front of me are pretty good at this game.) Because at least one and probably 2+ of them aren't town. Ezpz. Look at all the wagons that got pushed, aside from Koshi it was lynchbait or bullshit. Either all of those guys all decided to shit the bed this game or some of them are mafia, end of story. | ||
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On February 06 2015 14:17 Breshke wrote: Im not even sure why koshi is on top. The way i see the votes on onegu is that rsoul was sheeping eden. LS was probably sheeping rsoul and eden and eden idk what eden was doing but he is town I can't really remember why koshi was voting onegu i need to look back at it LightningStrike sheeped rsoultin sheeped me sorta-sheeped Holyflare Lol | ||
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On February 06 2015 14:33 Holyflare wrote: and just believe™ in my batsnacks read eden because literally the first thing he did this game was fly out of the gates and question people on inconsistencies and push people he thought was mafia when in stuff like fanfic I criticised him of posting with 0 content and just blending in not really his mafia game at all imo especially as he was actually pushing his scum read breshke to get lynched OK I'm all-in but you should believe™ me about rso then. If I'm wrong and she's mafia then lol me. But I really think what happened this game is Palmar and JAT opened the scum QT and saw each other and Koshi in it and lol'd hard at how bad they were gonna roll this game and then didn't try very hard the whole time while you me and marv chased headless chickens like puppies who hadn't been housetrained yet. You can sub marv in for one of those 3 if I'm wrong on them but that's where I'm at | ||
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On February 06 2015 14:45 Breshke wrote: So even if we add marv to the list but take out RSo and bats cos of townreads we are elft with Koshi JAT Palmar Marv If they dont have a RB we can kill all these people. I think marv is town but i get that he is a good player and im sure when he is motivated to play scum he does it well. Eden why is hf town? Because he and I are on the same wavelength way too hard for him to be mafia. If he is mafia then I am the donkey of the year | ||
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On February 06 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote: No that's understandable ive had that before in that newbie game with rsoultin that you coached her in. What about all the koshi + HF is a probable team stuff If I'm deciding HF is mafia that makes sense, but I just don't see it. It's possible mafia HF spawns the Onegu wagon last second off of me declaring it'd be one or the other to save Koshi, I guess, but in situations like these where the guy repeatedly has the same thought I had to the same stuff we're reading, I've made up my mind not to lynch him on policy, because I'll lose more games by getting paranoid and mislynching people who agree with me than I'll lose games by getting naive and not lynching mafia who manage to mindmeld with me. I guess it's worth exploring one thing though. HF, why did you want Onegu over Koshi? | ||
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On February 06 2015 15:02 Holyflare wrote: Because of what i said at lynch time? Onegu was reading the thread said he'd step up and didn't do shit and his vote came before all the stuff he made a case about and he was forced to make a case 20 mins before deadline instead of on own free will Koshi was just meh Cool, yeah that all makes sense Feeling pretty good about Palmar/JAT/Koshi scumteam atm | ||
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If you're shooting out of those 3 though I'm gonna be okay with any of them. | ||
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On February 06 2015 16:40 Holyflare wrote: Actually no fuck it koshi isn't town after his void obs qt bs 100% shoot him GOD BLESS | ||
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On February 06 2015 17:53 Koshi wrote: Can somebody show me why and where Eden flips his read on sl? He flipped reads 500 times this game but this one is the oddest I think. Out of all people I think Eden called SL mafia the most consistently. Yet I don't remember Eden pushing SL at all. Ever. Probably because you cherry-picked one time where I called SL mafia instead of the several times I called him town. Do you not remember the several hours I spent yesterday pushing JAT and agreeing with sicklucker that JAT was suspicious? Were you not in the thread when I repeatedly told town that SL was a lynchbait distraction and tried to push you/Onegu? (spoiler alert you were) My filter in this game is longer after three days than every single mafiaside game I have ever played on TL combined. 6/10 nice effort on trying to look productive but you're gonna have to do better than that to make me reconsider. On February 06 2015 17:54 Koshi wrote: Also. This proofs I am town. Vets tried to get me lynched d1 but chickened out because they know I can flip my townswitch on any time. I was literally the only "vet" (if I even count) trying to get you lynched at EOD. HF wanted Onegu, Palmar and marv wanted Damdred, JAT wanted sicklucker, you wanted Anybody-But-You. What are you talking about? On February 06 2015 17:44 Koshi wrote: I am not able to mindmelt in this game because the thread is 100% on the wrong track. It is time to fucking read into HF/Eden/Palmar/marv and look if they are town. Because they are actually the ones leading the thread around. And it was lead to 4 fucking town wagons. Rich that you completely bail on d1, nearly get yourself lynched for it and then have the gall to complain about thread direction. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote: You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice. Sweet deflection from the filter boom. You know I'm town, this isn't going anywhere. For your convenience: On February 05 2015 08:38 Eden1892 wrote: Haha I just read sicklucker's filter after rsoultin mentioned him and came across this post This sounds hella fraudulent to me I also think SL is probably town, both for the thing marv pointed out and his general demeanor. He's a lot more light and clearly having more fun, like he doesn't feel the need to prove himself this game. It fits with his self-declared preference for playing mafia, I think if he were mafia he would be more uptight than he has been because he'd be trying hard to win. And he also kept trying to do stuff d1 even after declaring that he would skip out on the day. Yeah, I changed my mind a few times throughout the day on SL's alignment. I ultimately settled in on him as town about 1.5 hrs before EOD though, and I was very vocal about why. It's exactly like I said earlier: The mafia in this game are identified through the absence of behavior rather than the presence of sketchy behavior. The thread is spammy (sort-of-sorry) and all the popular targets were clear lynchbait (including Onegu, with the meds excuse, but I lost sight of my focus for a minute near EOD and mislynched him). | ||
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Koshi isn't being sincere at all in his questioning. He's not trying to understand why my read on SL changed. Koshi was around at EOD to hear me repeat myself about SL being a distraction lynch. Instead of questioning me on that, he's resorted to digging through my very long filter, finding a post where I believed SL to be mafia, and then he's trying to frame it as negatively as possible. It's very disingenuous. And he is selectively ignoring arguments he can't respond to, like the filter length argument. This guy is a fraud. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote: best scenario vigi: 7 vs 3 6 vs 2 nk +vig 5 vs 2 ml 2 4 vs 2 nk 3 vs 2 ml 3 2 vs 2 loss after nk worst scenario vigi: 7 vs 3 5 vs 3 nk + vigi 4 vs 3 ml 2 3 vs 3 loss after nk No shot vigi: 7 vs 3 6 vs 3 nk 5 vs 3 ml 2 4 vs 3 nk 3 vs 3 loss after ml 3 Why would vigi shoot if it doesn't gain us a ml? And saying during the night it "confirms" breshke if he shoots smells of pushing mafia agenda. Because 1) he might be scum vigi (would be very dumb to claim unless you can magically shoot town and thread approves, which is happening so yeah....) 2) he might be rb (does this then make him suddenly scum?) and tbh if he doesn't shoot and there is no blue CC he is probably town ANYWAY. + the claim would be pretty insane mafia play. So yeah, he is very likely town. So saying he is confirmed town for shooting is really bad. He would shoot if he felt he had a chance to hit mafia, naturally. You'll notice no one recommended he shoot until people (me and HF) got confident in our suspects. Breshke would be confirmed as town vig if he shot mafia. It's pretty simple. If he hits a townie then he's unconfirmed naturally, although I think setup speculation would still favor town vig. (Antitown role in miller + something as strong as scum vig? We better be sitting on some damn haymaker roles.) But incidentally this is another good example of Koshi approaching this from a mafia POV. He makes a decent point that Breshke isn't absolutely confirmed just because he shoots, but instead of recognizing this as an oversight, he immediately reaches for the most sinister conclusion he can. He's not earnestly trying to determine any alignments, he's just trying to turn any mole hill he can latch onto into a mountain. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:36 Koshi wrote: 1) I ask you to tell me why your read changed. How am I not trying to understand? 2) I am scumhunting. That is looking for oddities. I was around when you were yelling SL was a distraction lynch. BUT that was just to get me or Onegu lynched. THAT DOES NOT COUNT. Look at me: I am protecting town to lynch these other 2 townies. GJ EDEN 3) Mostly I have 3 pages of filter as scum D1 and then 6 pages after D3. So I am now confirmed town to you? (1) is pretty obvious to me from this quote: On February 06 2015 18:18 Koshi wrote: You called SL mafia multiple times. And you stopped calling him scum because you joined his wagon? Nice. That's not "asking me why my read changed" to "try to understand." That's a pithy, sarcastic one-liner that makes no effort to advance the conversation. I had to go back and basically repeat myself and find the quote you should have found for yourself (if you were going to go filter-dive me for pertinent quotes). You aren't trying to understand my read, you're very clearly trying to paint my indecisiveness about SL for most of the day as suspicious. (2) You aren't town, so I don't really find this rebuttal compelling. (3) No, because as I actually discussed in this thread already, ironically (though it's understandable if you missed it, it was a sidenote), that doesn't account for the activity level of the other threads. I only used a flat rate with my numbers because the discrepancy is so painfully apparent that you'd have to be incompetent or malevolent not to recognize it for what it is. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:38 Koshi wrote: No? I am proving that people who push breshke for shooting to "confirm" himself are fucking frauds. Because it is pretty clear he is town from the claim itself. Eden confirmed not reading or mafia. No one argued for this. You're going to have to work harder to misrepresent me than that. I brought up the idea of confirming Breshke to remove any doubt on his claim, which as you'd note if you were reading the thread sincerely instead of hopping around in a desperate fit trying to find anything to throw at me, I believed immediately, but other people didn't. My primary reason for wanting him to shoot has always been because I felt confident in my suspects and wanted to hit mafia tonight. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:40 Holyflare wrote: Setup setup setup talk at n1. Content plz. Since you're literally both saying mafia 100% has a rber you are talking about absolutely nothing Amen | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:47 Koshi wrote: (1) Because it is suspicious. (2) Keep being terrible. (3) See (2) (1) I would be more sympathetic to you saying it's suspicious if you came to that conclusion after an earnest and thorough assessment of my read on sicklucker as it's evolved throughout the thread. Instead you cherry-picked one quote where I said he was mafia and one later where I said he was town and pretended like I just jumped to that conclusion without explanation, when I've now specifically quoted back to you exactly why and when I switched. (2) CSB (3) What is terrible about my argument based on my filter? If it's so bad you should be able to refute it with something. | ||
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On February 06 2015 18:49 Holyflare wrote: Anyone that questions eden as town after he literally just played abysmal mafia and got lynched day 1 last game deserves to be shot by a vig Anyone that questions hf as town after he literally conceded mafia night 1 last game deserves to be shot by a vig | ||
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Koshi still isn't this terrible at town, shoot him 1 hundred trillion percent oh goddamn basedgod. JAT still isn't doing anything interesting, you could shoot him too. ...I can kind of entertain Palmar and marv as town? Some of their posts are donkey-tier though. But I'm not convinced they aren't coming from town POV. And another thing is that I feel like they almost have to be the same alignment because it's really hard to see one of them pocketing the other this hard (if indeed pocketing were occurring). So I think the most likely thing is that I whiffed on them and there's one mafia in my town pool. I still think rsoultin is town and I'm honestly getting kinda annoyed at people (I only specifically remember marv here but I don't think it's just him) who are needling her without trying to actually make a case/push for her being mafia. Palmar otoh I liked for his post on the subject, it seemed a lot fairer batsnacks could honestly be mafia and seems like the best bet if I missed on someone. Think it was marv who made the observation that batsnacks didn't really react much to the vig claim, which is kinda telling cause ever since Breshke made it, bats hasn't done anything to find a new target. Still like LS, ride or die on Breshke true claiming and Holyflare mindmeld Kill pool is narrowed to Koshi and JAT for now | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:53 justanothertownie wrote: How can you seriously believe this? If someone is a donkey in this game then it is you. You are annoyed with the people needling rsoultin? Well, have a look at what HF did all game. And especially have a close look at the evolution of his read on her from "dead certain" to "not even mentioning" at lynch time to dead certain again. You are playing EXACTLY like you were in heavyweight. Trusting certain people for stupid reasons and spamming so much that you apparently don't even remember what happened in this game. How is it stupid to trust the guy I've been mindmelding with all game? Well over 90% of the time that guy is gonna be town. This is the exact opposite of my play in World Heavyweight, I didn't trust anybody that game. | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:54 marvellosity wrote: kill pool is not narrowed to that, you donkey Mine is | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:44 Palmar wrote: We're lynching one of HF and JAT tomorrow btw guys. They can help decide which one. Palmar what changed here? You had Koshi as maybe mafia and then you want to lynch between HF and JAT. Does anything Koshi has done this game sound like his town game to any of y'all? It doesn't to me at all. You guys really think that after all of his complaints in Void obs qt he would play like this as town? | ||
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On February 07 2015 00:58 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, you did. You townread me for the exact same reason you are townreading HF here and it is a fucking bad reason. HF is a better scumplayer than I am. Seriously. Look at how he treated rsoultin. It isn't a bad reason at all. I'll get burned from time to time doing that, but in my experience since Heavyweight I got burned more regularly by not trusting my strong townreads and getting paranoid about them. Why don't any of you clowns make a case against HF instead of just calling me bad for thinking he's town? How hard is that to do? | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:00 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know what the void obs qt has to do with anything but no, this does not look like his towngame. He spent an inordinate amount of time raging at town throughout the game after he joined it for not catching mafia / seeing obvious mafia / etc. After how animated he was, it pushes the extreme edge of plausibility to think that he would be this apathetic and lazy about catching mafia in this game. Short of him deciding he's just not going to try as town at all anymore (in which case, you could see where this might distort my ability to read him...), the contrast is too jarring to believe he's the same alignment. | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:02 justanothertownie wrote: I literally told you why he is scum multiple times now. If I have to make a bigger post for you to not overlook it constantly I will do that at some point. I am looking at your filter now and I see the weird shift on rsoultin and taking marv out of his POE list prematurely (b/c of miller claim)? That's not bad and I'll have to think more on it, but if that's the grand case on Holyflare then I really don't see what is stupid about me trusting him despite it, given a mindmeld, because none of that is something townies couldn't do. | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:05 justanothertownie wrote: This is completely true but I don't see why you need that obs qt for this reasoning. Whatever. It's not strictly necessary but it provides a convenient counterexample for anyone who was following it. I guess not as many people were doing so as I thought | ||
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On February 06 2015 19:39 marvellosity wrote: I thought HF was town but his non-100% read on me makes him look much worse. That's it marv? That's why you think HF is mafia? Cause he doesn't absolutely have you as town? This is silly. JAT's reasons were a lot better. I ask because if it's anything else then I don't have time to find it before work, I went backward from the most recent post in filter. You more recently had him as your 3rd best suspect though so why are you passing it off like you've already made a case on HF? | ||
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On February 07 2015 01:10 justanothertownie wrote: Because the rsoultin thing alone is absolutely damning. I don't really think it is, but I'll grant it's suspect. He needs to explain it. I can think of why it would happen but I'm not gonna supply the answer before he tells us | ||
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It's not Palmar bc marv hitch. It's not Breshke bc vig. It's not LS cause EOD move vote. It's not me cause I'm adorable And it's not batsnacks cause everyone tr him. So that leAves 4 and JAT/Hf aren't together. Then Zen moment says rise above own cloudy mind and seek truth. Truth says JAT town. Qed | ||
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Hf you saw Koshi be better than this as cop in Void. Why would you think he's blue this game? Palmar I liked that you were / are trying to be fair in your talk with rsoultin. I just like charity in a mafia game on principle | ||
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Never mind that point Meh istill think Koshi wouldn't screw around like this as blue. He didn't breadcrumb either. Sorry Hf that's not adding up for me | ||
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On February 07 2015 05:03 batsnacks wrote: The town is an old roof The ridgepole sags to its breaking point Who is this town's ridgepole? Wat Lol | ||
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On February 07 2015 05:06 LightningStrike wrote: Eden what is your PoE if one of the 3 are town? Idk yet. Honestly I figure I got time to iron out the list. Koshi/Hf/rso is just where I'm at now. Koshi is a lock to flip red IMO so I got at least 72 hrs before I need to know the next one | ||
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On February 07 2015 06:29 marvellosity wrote: auto-lynching rsoultin for saying "only reason to read town is because of his claim" what a bitch. not reading the thread much? No. We kill Koshi first. He should have died d1 if I hadn't been a dumbass at EOD. If you set aside your tendency to see red whenever someone isn't calling you 100% town then I know you'll see that for how shaky rsoultin's filter is, Koshi's is worse. At least she can point to some pushes on sicklucker at different points. Koshi can't point to anything. And I say this with her still firmly in my POE lynch pool, don't get me wrong. But Koshi has to go first. We don't have the luxury of chasing lynches that aren't the highest-% play. | ||
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On February 07 2015 05:45 rsoultin wrote: marv, what really pisses me off is you (and hf earlier) on your high horse talking about how long my filter is and saying it has nothing in it when it's obvious you either haven't read it or are just misrepresenting it i'm not on when you guys are. I work all day and have limited access to the net. something most everyone here knows, actually, because this is nothing new. it's ridiculously demoralizing to return to 20 more pages every time I come back when I'm already behind. but i'm still doing what I can at night when i'm here i'll get caught up this weekend, assuming bresh doesn't shoot me, but do me a favor and actually read what i'm posting This just reads really sincerely to me. It reminds me of how I felt during Imperial. I kinda feel shitty that I've contributed to the thread being so ridiculously long, because I know exactly what she's talking about here. It is really demoralizing to return to 20 more pages to play catchup. I end up skipping entire sections as town and feeling like a buster for doing it. And the thing that makes me think this is a townie sentiment is that this doesn't occur when I'm mafia. If new pages go up and I'm not staying on top of shit, I straight up just cruise control and don't care about them until I have to. It's the specific descriptor as demoralizing that's making me think this is a townie post, because as mafia I know I couldn't plausibly fake being demoralized, and rsoul's shown signs of it in her other posts too (wanting vig to shoot her to move the game along, not being in the right place to argue with people about whether she's pushed things). The other big hangup I'm having right now with rsoul being mafia (and yeah I know, I just said she's in my POE lynch pool looooooooool) is that it seems to center on her not pushing things or making cases. rsoul points to some things in her filter that indicate pushes, marv says they aren't strong enough / invested enough / etc. The thing is that rsoul really seems to believe that she made these pushes. I tend to side with marv in that I feel like she hasn't done a lot of strong questioning or pushing her reads, but at the same time, that isn't exclusive to her being town. She totally could think she pushed hard enough and marv just disagrees. That happens sometimes, and given her IRL workload, I'm kinda leaning toward that being the case. Maybe I'm just being a massive sucker and she's playing me hard with an appeal to emotion, maybe I'm overinterpreting her post and she is just mafia making excuses, but this all read really sincere to me, and I'm a little worried that no one else seemed to show any pause when they read this. | ||
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Imma be totally honest with you guys, I'm hoping Breshke is vig and gets a shot off on Koshi and takes the n1 for us lol. I'll admit I don't have this game nearly as figured out as I hoped. This is the Real Zen right here lol Koshi definitely has to go. I don't really know what to make of JAT or Holyflare. I keep going back and forth on these two and I don't really get any serious resolution at the end of the day with either one. marv keeps giving me the heebie-jeebies at times with some of his posts, but I'm really not sure what kind of world we'd have to be in where scum!marv is contributing more and working harder to figure out the game than almost everyone else in the thread, so I'm ignoring that strange vibes and keeping him in my town pile. My brain says rsoultin has to be in any POE lynch pool, my heart says her posts seem really sincere and genuine and she's town. It sucks but every single time I've been in this spot this game so far, where my brain says X and my heart says Not-X, my heart's been right. I just wonder if it's right again. Breshke town. Can be town hero if he shoots mafia!Koshi tonight. LS can wait until next post. (DON'T FORGET TO READ NEXT POSTS IF YOU ARE READING THIS AFTER I GOT N1'D!) Palmar I've basically been tying to marv. If marv is town then just sheep marv on Palmar and hope for the best. If marv flips scum then lynch Palmar unless he bleeds town through every pore on his skin. batsnacks seems okay enough, but the lack of real pushes since EOD bothers me. Seems like he could easily enough just play to his meta, tunnel somebody until they flip town and then fish around for a new target as mafia. I get why he's being meta-read town but it's not something that's especially difficult to replicate. I feel like a fair bit of his comments during the night have been pointed enough that it looks like he's going somewhere (the example that comes to mind was his comment "or so he's claiming" in regards to me POEing rsoul mafia), but then it never materializes. Have we been too quick to just hand him a townread for replicating an easily-replicated meta? His filter isn't actually all that impressive if you replace "batsnacks" with "Anon Player X." In conclusion kill Koshi, trust marv, hope some of the scummy vets step up, please if you're gonna lynch someone like rsoul be careful to ensure you're being charitable in parsing suboptimal play due to busyness/demoralization/etc. vs suboptimal play due to rolling scum. | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:06 marvellosity wrote: Eden: have you checked out how she behaved when she was under strong suspicion or whatever in the game she got lynched as town? i think that's a task that should be done She didn't have a chance to, she returned to the thread 5 minutes before getting lynched b/c she was afk with work all day. She got a bum rap that game | ||
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What does everyone think about LightningStrike right now? I've said he's town a few times and given a reason, but to my knowledge no one commented on it, which is a bit weird to me. Is LS town or mafia and why? | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:15 Eden1892 wrote: She didn't have a chance to, she returned to the thread 5 minutes before getting lynched b/c she was afk with work all day. She got a bum rap that game Addendum because I'm illiterate and missed the "under strong suspicion" bit (which did happen before she got railroaded). I'm not sure there's much to be taken from the moments where she was under strong suspicion, because essentially she was being scumread by association with Breshke (who was himself unflipped - and town) rather than for things she directly did. She fought fairly hard I think. I feel like she fought harder in that game than here, but between the higher activity level here and her undoubtedly being busier due to handling military separations paperwork, there are too many lurking variables to get anything meaningful out of it. HF posted her filter from that game, if you think it'd be worthwhile to look it over I'd recommend it. | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:18 batsnacks wrote: Eden do you take stimulants? Liquid cocaine with a needle why | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:21 marvellosity wrote: i think 1 and probably 2 mafia are playing really well this game or at least well enough to make it very difficult for me. If 2 mafia are playing really well this game then one of rso or Koshi is town, FWIW (trans: rso is town) | ||
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This guy has one read he pushes the whole game, it's Breshke as mafia. Breshke claims vig which makes 0 sense for mafia to do when he did it, IMO. Too risky play for mafia if there's a real vig. He moves onto SL at EOD based on a secondary suspicion into which he didn't invest a lot of time, SL flips town. And we're giving this guy a town pass because that's his town game? It seems way too easy to replicate... | ||
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11 pg/cycle vs ~7 I'll spitball and say this thread would make it to 300 pages by the end of four cycles since I'm getting nk'd and the spam will sharply decline. 11 / 300 vs 7 / 128 0.0367 vs 0.0547 = 2/3 as active in this game as the other one. Now factor in IRL circumstance difference and...? Inconclusive but I think it's plausible (with likely/unlikely being inconclusive) that the difference in activity is due to IRL circumstances. | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote: you'd think it would be easy to replicate, but he never does. so... yeah sigh I always find myself asking "Is this the game?" in these situations | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:39 marvellosity wrote: tbh 2/3 would seem to be the average difference between someone's town and mafia game if i had to take a stab well I know that's false, at least for me god that post count boom was awesome to invoke and sad to be capable of invoking the point being, without actually seeing any of rso's mafia game specifically, idk whether an average estimate is especially handy | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:40 Holyflare wrote: look you're looking at page numbers and i'm looking at content and there's multiple bits of content thrown out everywhere in her town game and like no real content here and now she's just complaining when all someone asked her to do was asked who she's pushed today?? don't buy it at all but, but that post felt so town. it is like I said, I don't think I can logically argue her innocence very convincingly. at least I'm starting to feel better about HF being town. maybe it's jat/koshi/bats lol | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:46 marvellosity wrote: i'd lynch HF over jat as it stands and that could be totally wrong but it's what i think i'm not sure how much i buy that HF didn't "feel" this game and is feeling low on effort. especially after a mafia game. i think it's pretty plausible he did the megatroll thing as a way to get through day 1, because he'd be caught otherwise. dno though really yeah the sequence of posts on p149-150 (i think) were pretty bad. idk man it just seems like hf is always here doing something and jat isn't w/e you're the one that's gonna be around to make the call. i honestly have no grounded opinion in either so it's gonna be yours to take from here my final answer as of the end of n1 is that hf is the townie between the two of them | ||
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On February 07 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote: Can we all agree to lynch JAT then? Never change. HtS please change this guy's role PM to Town Puppy ![[image loading]](http://www.2ndhandbarking.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/dogbarking.jpg) | ||
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Kill Koshi JAT other suspect HF prob town Trust marv Don't let Palmar be lazy LS town puppy Breshke town hero Rso I guess kill if you have to but I feel like she townie Bats don't forget about this guy totes could be mafia. God bless friends | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:03 Holyflare wrote: who the fuck shoots palmar Elaborate concession of defeat | ||
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In it, a gnarly Australian bloke hears about the crime problem in Somalia and goes on a surfer-bro vigilante shooting rampage of the decade I call it Australian Sniper | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:28 Holyflare wrote: you said you were reading the thread and we've given great reasons for people that aren't me and I'm town anyway so if you are voting me that makes your points on me being mafia higher than everyone elses for being mafia. Since it is literally impossible for your points to outweigh their points since i'm town and you haven't actually posted reasons why i'm mafia you're not actually playing the game at all and are instead wasting your vote Why not have input in actual discussions if you're so bored at work all the time? You've been lurking the entire night I DIDN'T READ THIS BEFORE I POSTED LOL THE MINDMELD!!!!! | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:48 batsnacks wrote: HF I can get you lynched for being bad like koshi. What the fuck are you doing. Did Iching say lynch Breshke? Or SL? Great reads this game | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:53 batsnacks wrote: Can you really say that breshke or SL were bad reads when I made them? I literally did LOL | ||
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On February 07 2015 08:56 Breshke wrote: RSo I want you to tell me who you want to lynch today out of Bats JAT HF Good question No one say a damn thing about it til rso answers | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:05 batsnacks wrote: What do you think your scummiest post is? I need help writing a case on you so your cooperation is much appreciated. HAHAHAH | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote: Eden stop ignoring me :s Bruh I'm on a phone let me drink and shot post in peace | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:07 marvellosity wrote: why is Breshke alive? did they gamble on him shooting town? he's right, he has an extra town-based kill and it doesn't lose us a lynch. it's fucking insane. this isn't me pushing suspicion on breshke, i just don't get it It's an elaborate concession | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:09 Breshke wrote: I honestly think they think there is another blue. Palamr is one of the few people who havnt claimed vt This is a good thought | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:24 Holyflare wrote: You're saying we'd be mylo if he shut up but breshke was super suspicious day 1 and a likely lynch Makes no sense for town to claim at night with rbers tbh It made a ton of sense if you remember his rationale when he claimed. He said he didn't see himself ever shooting, so he was basically a named VT, so he claimed. The idea to shoot was developed well after he claimed, default assumption was don't shoot because of extra day (WHICH WAS MAFIA KOSHI'S IDEA TOO LOL) | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:33 rsoultin wrote: i'm pretty sure i'm a closet sub/borderline masochist? oh and you tried to crack the whip at ME in linux?? | ||
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On February 07 2015 09:28 Holyflare wrote: it was JAT and koshi that tried SOSOSOSOSO hard to stop breshke shooting, coincedence? i think not! let's do it | ||
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On February 07 2015 10:37 batsnacks wrote: This is such a weird experience I am more confident in my HF read than my breshke read. well since your breshke read was 100% wrong | ||
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On February 07 2015 10:47 batsnacks wrote: No I'm right about that one and people who are town know that. i'm town and i don't so | ||
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On February 07 2015 10:51 batsnacks wrote: Why is HF town though? "Mind meld" is lame don't say that. how tf is that lame several times I wanted to make a point, HF beat me to it that is an excellent reason to townread him | ||
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On February 07 2015 10:56 batsnacks wrote: I don't know I'm taking baby steps. When a man wishes to undertake an enterprise in extraordinary times, he must be extraordinarily cautious, just as when setting a heavy thing down on the floor, one takes care to put rushes under it, so that nothing will break. hey confucius why is hf mafia | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:43 rsoultin wrote: Okay, so forgive me for going back into WIFOM land, but I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around a scum koshi and a scum jat pushing hard for breshke not to shoot...but no rb and no kill. That just makes no sense to me -_- ...if they have no rb then they would very obviously want us not to shoot. Lol It would be stranger if they were mafia and pushing for Breshke to shoot with no rb. As it is this makes perfect sense. They don't want us shooting so they argue for us not to shoot because that's the only way we don't shoot | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote: Okay, but even assuming they have no RB...which a 2-shot vig without an RB is kinda lolworthy...why no kill either? Idk. Not killing Breshke was a donkey move no matter who the mafia team is. Anyway I just realized we have 3 kills rofl this game is ez. Never kill me Breshke marv. If I trust my gut then we never kill rsoultin or HF and we just shoot bats, JAT and LS and call it a day | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:51 rsoultin wrote: I just really like LS lol, I think I'm predisposed to townread him cause his posting comes off so natural to me. He has seemed a ton more confident this game than games in the past, but that could easily be attributed to his just playing more. I think it's natural for players to get more confident rather than less confident with time. Kinda using Eden's GB read on Eden; his mind changes so often, and he votes everyone under the sun...but 65% of the time for valid reasons at least given what's going on in the thread at the time. That seems more likely to come from town than scum. If this is the heuristic I think it is I'm going to be really happy. What heuristic are you using here rso? (if any) | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:56 rsoultin wrote: One that makes more sense and doesn't quite scream KILL [INSERT NAME OF TUNNELED SCUMREAD HERE] !!!! every other time he posts  kill jat | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote: The town more easily changes their minds than scum one...mind you I'm paraphrasing you cause I don't think in words lol. yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss god bless you | ||
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On February 07 2015 12:57 LightningStrike wrote: But you called me the town puppy bro :O Good point Let's just kill bats and JAT and win | ||
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On February 07 2015 13:01 rsoultin wrote: Yeah, I guess it's pointless to speculate, especially if that's my only reason for hesitating on JAT. Really do want to hear why bats is pushing HF though. Because this donkey town gave him the keys to be perpetually townread by making decisive pushes on people even if they don't make sense I know the real reason Palmar was shot now. On January 06 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: Tbh, looking at ritoky's post, I could 100% lynch superbia because the guy doing his own thing is almost always mafia. This guy would have buried batsnacks tomorrow. 100%. #TrustInPalmar | ||
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Also if he moves his vote around so much then why has he only changed his vote twice this whole game and only between 2 people? | ||
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On February 07 2015 13:09 Eden1892 wrote: Because this donkey town gave him the keys to be perpetually townread by making decisive pushes on people even if they don't make sense I know the real reason Palmar was shot now. This guy would have buried batsnacks tomorrow. 100%. #TrustInPalmar But actually, Kill Jat Lol Idk who should we kill first? Maybe bats is better because idk if I'll be around tomorrow to lynch bats | ||
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On February 07 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote: This guy is giving his absolute best to throw this game. How surprising. I caught Koshi you stupid douchebag. The fuck outta here with that shit | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:40 justanothertownie wrote: If you say so. To me it looked like it was Breshke who shot him. But whatever... You think he shoots Koshi if I don't push the fuck out of Koshi near EOD and especially during the night? | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:42 justanothertownie wrote: Who the fuck knows? And who cares? If you lynch batsnacks and me you are throwing the game. Lynching you to "confirm you're town" and then sheeping your reads actually sounds like a pretty great and definitely not-game-throwing plan. How fucking stupid do you think I am? You think I'd turn around and lynch bats without thinking things through if I ML'd you? Keep disrespecting me asshole | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:46 justanothertownie wrote: What is wrong with you? Did you fall out of your bed or something? And yes it is a gamethrowing plan. There is no reason to mislynch anyone when the scumteam is open for anyone to see. I woke up and saw this douchebag have the gall to act like I'm not trying to win the game after I CAUGHT THE ONLY FUCKING MAFIA WE'VE CAUGHT SO FAR. I even like your case on HF but I want to "confirm you town" first because fuck you | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:47 justanothertownie wrote: I don't get this rage at all. Well done pushing Koshi - have a cookie. My point was that scumreading batsnacks and me is awful. Do I need to go back and quote all the disrespectful bullshit you've been flinging at me all game? And then the audacity to act like catching Koshi wasn't a big deal when you didn't do jack SHIT to find him out is just unreal | ||
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On February 08 2015 01:50 justanothertownie wrote: Great. Then you are only proving that I was right with that remark. But seriously. Chill the fuck out dude. You can't expect me to be friendly with you when you want to mislynch me for stupid reasons. The fuck I can. Wanting to lynch you because I suspect you is a necessary part of the game even if my suspicions are wrong. Being a douche and feeling the need to lace half the points you make with unnecessary toxic insults like "lol this guy is gamethrowing!!" is not. How hard would it have been to say "lynching me is a bad idea" or something like that instead? What do you get out of turning it into a dig at somebody? You're really sitting here acting like it's congruent to insult people for trying to solve a difficult game but not for those same people to get offended when you do it. What the fuck is wrong with you? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:00 justanothertownie wrote: I will ridicule people for having incredibly stupid reads. I never insulted you. If we are talking about insults look at what you wrote on this page so far. I don't think I am even close to the insult level you are sporting right now. And let us stop this now, ok? We will not agree and we will not be productive by discussing this any further. How the shit is "this guy is gamethrowing" when the person is OBVIOUSLY not gamethrowing anything but an insult in your mind Good fucking lord | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:03 justanothertownie wrote: It is not an insult at all?! It is a fact. If you lynch me and batsnacks like you were planning to do at that point then you will throw the game. That is the entire point. It was not a comment on your play prior to that. Wtf is your definition of gamethrowing such that unintentional mistakes that lose a game = gamethrowing? | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:06 rsoultin wrote: Hey, Eden, did you see marv's post on a jat/bats scumteam being unlikely? yeah, what of it | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:09 rsoultin wrote: well, I mean, I intend to go through jat's games to verify that myself, but if it holds true, what then? honestly I'm lynching HF rn my vote's still on JAT because I feel like it but short of a really compelling defense from HF, he gone like no bullshit JAT had a really solid case on HF | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: HF will give a compelling defence regardless of his alignment though compelling relative to the strength of jat's case which is pretty high | ||
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On February 08 2015 02:29 marvellosity wrote: funny that all rsoultin did is mock the case then, right? yep, i'm coming around to it | ||
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Rsoultin soul read is too true. But JAT case on Hf so pure. Hf LS team. Hijole haiku | ||
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On February 08 2015 06:31 justanothertownie wrote: I already did. Thought he was town earlier and since rsoultin and HF are mafia he is also town by POE. His absence is annoying though. I really don't get this soul read. She's trying too hard in her defense, she's had a couple decent rebuttals and she still seems so earnest and sincere. She town but you probs right about Hf | ||
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Yo if Hf and rso are mafia why is rso having to do the heavy lifting? I feel like there's no way Hf isn't in here to help her. Granted he could just be afk but it's worth considering | ||
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I'm back to sheeping everyone on bats sigh I'm good with JAT and marv and Breshke for town. All pretty obvious at this point Hf pretty sure is mafia. That leaves rso and LS, rso is doing so much more work than LS it's unreal. Plus tone soul read That leaves LS and what happens as soon as I suggest it? LS immediately 180s on me even though I've done nothing different than before | ||
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On February 08 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote: Meh, maybe I'm just the nutball around here, but I really don't understand what is so shiny about jat's case. Maybe someone can explain it to me, sometime. What I find weird, LS, to be frank, is that you kept saying I was town when I was largely inactive earlier and now that I'm up to speed I'm scum? It's not quite as much a 180 as Eden pulled (but Eden's reads have jumped so much all game anyway lol) but it doesn't match up with what's going on in the thread. Maybe I'm biased, but that's how I see it. JAT's case alone suddenly had you townreading him, who you were voting earlier, voting HF, and questioning me? It's like a magic case or something to go along with your magic 8 ball xP You got him with the flip flop. Same thing Hf did but in reverse Pack it up we're done here | ||
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On February 08 2015 12:07 rsoultin wrote: I <3 you, Eden, but he irony of you jumping on anyone for flip-flops lol... I'm just not understanding LS'...HF flip-flopped on me after talking to me for hours, and I don't know that a flip-flop is still an accurate descriptor since it wasn't a strong town read. You also flipped on me during the same conversation. Hf had you as top scum for most of d1, forgot about you at EOD and resumed being on you until discussion went elsewhere. That's not a townie progression LS had you as sure town then sure mafia without any real explanation and then when he's called out on it he doesn't make sense as to why I've gone back and forth a billion times but explained myself as much as I could and with mostly sensible (if not great) reasons And LS had me as definite town then called me mafia because I suspected him and is now nonsensically trying to hedge after being called out. He said if x or y die then I'm mafia but then says he wasn't calling me mafia ??? | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:24 Holyflare wrote: Best case btw. Vote jat, collect profit. Scum mate in poe list despite never scum reading them is classic mafia. Hol up verifying | ||
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But Edenu might have found something else interesting. Hol up Hol up + Show Spoiler + We dem boyz | ||
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On February 06 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote: JAT didn't do anything and you are unvoting him? Pretty boring guys. It's his scum meta to bully people off him. assuming jat is mafia, this is a post where koshi makes a half-ass effort to keep people from unvoting his partner. is koshi the kind of player to half-ass a bus? On February 06 2015 00:43 Koshi wrote: Damdred. Chill out. Lynch JAT. Blame marv/eden/Palmar when he flips town. actual scumslip doe...??? | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:48 Holyflare wrote: So you looked at his filter and found where koshi came into his poe? I sure didn't. He made a couple passing references to Koshi not being town (i.e. "you're totes not top town") before this, and I did notice some questions that didn't appear to have a lot of followup/direction thrown Koshi's way. So it could be legit. But then I found le epik scumslip | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:53 Holyflare wrote: Look at the next page where koshi just jumps off jat when people start joining. Completely feigned push. wat his vote stayed until eod...? | ||
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On February 08 2015 15:55 rsoultin wrote: frankly I'm sad that only jat and marv have even commented on this point :/ I thought it was a cool point but I am busy chasing other parts of the Noise Frome The Voide | ||
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On February 06 2015 05:06 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I might be in bad company on JAT. His two consecutive posts in his filter. This was funny. I have to admit though I forget the point of this tangent. The issue is reading JAT from how he interacted with Koshi, not with how Koshi interacted with him, isn't it? Koshi can do what he did if JAT is town or mafia. | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:08 Holyflare wrote: Yes. So basically my ctrl f of jats filter turned up gold and you waffled on a tangent about koshi. It looks pretty solid, I moved to the next thing to expand on it a bit but it didn't really go anywhere. And if Breshke likes the idea of taking out LS, then I can probably not lynch LS today and trust him to take the shot... Great thinking to do I have | ||
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On February 04 2015 09:09 LightningStrike wrote: The last two times I played with you, you were sarcastic and trolling as scum I guess I can see the pattern in your play. ##Vote: Eden1892 One thing I've noticed is that I'm pretty solid at picking up mafia through suspicious early posts. I always end up not following up on it because it seems hella silly to kill people because "this post is stiff and awkward," but I also end up doing a pretty solid job at either identifying mafia off of it or developing my suspicion of these posts and discovering it's incorrectly placed. A great example of this is where I called out WaveofShadow's entry post in World Heavyweight as mafia and was totally right about it. I think I did it again with Onegu in Hammertime but I'm not sure if I explicitly framed it as such. Anyway, look at this sequence right here. LS's entry into the thread was really off-the-wall. He acknowledges the main event that had happened so far, commented on Palmar apparently suspecting Damdred without giving a reason... but instead decided not to ask about that and asked a question to no one in particular about nothing in particular. I called him mafia and he immediately OMGUSed me saying I was just trolling when I was obviously town at the time. | ||
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On February 08 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote: And as he's so mets driven it makes sense that he scum reads you when he says your mafia meta is trolling. Has he played town with you? He was town both games we played before and I was mafia both games we played before | ||
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On February 06 2015 07:30 marvellosity wrote: Like I have no idea where to go, and Damdred has all these things i feel icky about On February 06 2015 07:32 marvellosity wrote: tbh I might just vote Damdred and let town do whatever it wants. which is bound to end badly. On February 06 2015 07:33 marvellosity wrote: I dunno. maybe i should just stick on onegu On February 06 2015 07:42 marvellosity wrote: i don't mind an onegu lynch you guys can do it. On February 06 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: I really think we should lynch Damdred but at the same time i'm not confident enough to shout at people doing other things. Boo. + Show Spoiler + EXTRA FUN TIME: LET'S ALL LAUGH AT MARV LOLOLOL On February 06 2015 07:50 marvellosity wrote: I think Koshi is a shocking lynch in this situation tbh Now it would be remiss not to note that marv did eventually turn it around a bit. In the last couple of minutes he was yelling for people to kill Damdred. But I'm still uneasy about how hesitant marv was about lynching Damdred. Maybe it's an unfair expectation, but I knew where I wanted to go during EOD. I wanted one of Onegu or Koshi and ended up choking on which one to pick, but there was never any doubt in my mind about the other wagons. I feel like several other people could reasonably be described in the same way. It almost seems like marv was leaving his options open about where to go until he had to pick something, and he went with the read he had been building up most of the game because it sounded legit and consistent and whatnot. Then during the night marv passed the baton to me, which I totally didn't think anything about because at my core I'm an insecure high schooler who never got over the bullying and constantly seeks validation living in the body of a 23-year-old. shouts to blazinghand Nah but really I got blinded by the fact that one of the tlmafia gods was basically like "Eden is cool, I'll let him choose the lynch today" to think about it further. The analogous situation I have in mind here is when Damdred ended my whole mafiaside career last game. marv along with basically everyone else passed the baton to Damdred, but it was because Damdred built a tier-1 baller case on me that spewed gold from the pores on its silky smooth skin. Here I didn't have anything nearly as much of a lock as Damdred's case, but marv was okay handing me the baton because my reads, which have been about as ironclad and unwavering as a dandelion floret, mostly agreed with his at the time. Given how much I've moved around, does that seem like a very good reason to give someone the keys? Another thing that might implicate marv is the nightkill. We've all been wondering about this one for a while, and I think I finally have a plausible reason for why Palmar died. It starts here: On February 05 2015 23:19 Palmar wrote: Also seeing as marv has about 15% of the posts in this game, I'm super unimpressed with his results. I don't really think he's mafia, I was just hoping to find something I could sheep. On February 06 2015 07:46 Palmar wrote: Jesus christ guys btw. Literally everyone here is townreading me and marv. We agree on the Damdred lynch. Maybe we're bad, maybe one is fooling the other. But it's a fairly good case to sheep. On February 06 2015 07:52 Palmar wrote: btw, I 100% support a yololynch on marv. Even if I'm fairly confident he's town. On February 06 2015 19:41 Palmar wrote: Marv, you know that if we lose this game, in a game where we're both town and figure each other out on day 1, we're going to have to play in a newbie game as repentance. Palmar was townreading marv, yeah? But then this happened: Granted there was no actual followup and there's a decent chance it was a joke, but nonetheless. Palmar and marv have played a lot of games together, and given enough time Palmar is typically pretty good about catching marv. The mafia may have thought they needed a medic dodge - they obviously lack an RB since Breshke's shot got through, and Breshke as a claimed vig is a perfect medic dodge. But then why Palmar over, say, me? I am as always the perfect medic dodge, here because no doc is ever not going to save a claimed vig who says he's going to shoot and because I'm clear town besides. You can see that marv starts to suspect Koshi as momentum shifts decidedly toward Koshi getting shot. This is pretty natural reaction for mafia here, but it's also possible that marv is town and comes around to Koshi. So why do I think this is more likely coming from scum!marv? Because of his description of how it happened, both at the time and later: On February 07 2015 00:08 marvellosity wrote: like koshi should know that townies don't double check things and misremember things all the time. such a silly read. On February 07 2015 07:37 marvellosity wrote: so eden's gonna die and i'm gonna sheep him on koshi. that seems to be how it's going to go. On February 08 2015 01:43 marvellosity wrote: yeah tbh Eden's certainty on Koshi gradually made me certain on Koshi some sort of voodoo It wasn't because of my initial, correct arguments on Koshi, which marv apparently found unconvincing enough to say that Koshi was "a shocking lynch" at d1 EOD. Nor was it because of Koshi's decidedly unsatisfying argumentation during n1, which marv only went as far as to call "silly" on his own. No, it appears that marv decided Koshi was mafia because I was persistent enough that Koshi was mafia? This is a bad reason to think Koshi is mafia, given the reasons marv could think Koshi is mafia. I have been persistent about a bunch of reads on a bunch of people all game, some of them mutually contradicting and not all of them reads marv agreed with. Isn't it a little bit weird that on this one he decided I was persistent enough on, one which he never even explicitly comes around to agreeing with, Koshi ends up flipping mafia? So as marv awkwardly gives up mafia!Koshi for dead, mafia shoots the guy who would be most likely to pick up on any oddities in marv's play, even though that guy was being thrown around as possibly mafia himself due to not having the most stellar game at the time. They must have really wanted Palmar dead, right? What other reason than to keep marv out of trouble? And now, here we are today, with an incredibly heavy decision to make between JAT and HF. Both of them have, in my mind, been pretty convincing at times. I've flip-flopped twice I think between which one I want to kill. Where is marv in all of this? He was around for JAT's big push on HF, but spent that time questioning rsoultin on the case instead of JAT himself or instead of trying to leave questions for HF to answer when HF got back in the thread. I get that marv wasn't around for this latest bit because it was too late to be playing for anyone besides HF (seriously, how do you do it?), but thus far I've found him to seem incredibly uninterested in actually deciding between JAT and HF, given the gravity of the decision. It seems, once again, as though he's waiting for a consensus to form before he steps in, where I expect marv as town to be the one trying to drive that consensus instead. marv's game has just been too passive. His filter is massive once again, but he broke that tell in Imperial. His only concerted push all game was on Damdred, and he got an incredible case of cold feet about it during deadline, like he was hoping some other convenient wagon would form. The nightkill actually implicates him pretty strongly, because marv has a lot of respect for Palmar's play and ability to read him, and no other mafia really has the same impetus to get Palmar, specifically, taken out over someone else who's active and contributing. And here we are again with another big decision and his presence has been uncharacteristically unremarkable. Starting to think marv is the lynch today. | ||
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On February 08 2015 22:04 LightningStrike wrote: I woke up and I never knew that Crtl+F did something o.o Thank You HF! I can't be the only one who called bullshit on this in his head. JAT's persistent lack of charity makes me want to lynch him, but it probably also makes him town, because I don't remember him being as aggressive as he is here when he played mafia. There's nothing preventing someone playing mafiasided from being histrionically aggressive as a front, but for someone who normally plays what I tend to think is a more passive and assuaging mafiaside game, and who hasn't been consistently this aggressive the whole way this game, the more likely explanation to me is that he's town. But I also think HF is town... And I think rso is right about marv's reaction to it. If it's such a dumb post why in the world did marv refuse to engage Holyflare until HF told me that marv is town? I get that it's a long post and if your kneejerk reaction is "this is dumb" then it's hard to drag oneself through the trouble of rebutting it, but at the same time I feel like if it's that dumb you don't make a big deal over it. I dunno guys, the more I think about it the more I'm okay with marv as a lynch. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:20 batsnacks wrote: I've solved the game. marv and breshke are the remaining mafia. Breshke is a mafia vig, he shot koshi. They did this because breshke and koshi were already highly suspected and likely to get lynched. Also the number of VTs that died makes this more do-able. Marv shot palmar because palmar would have figured out his alignment the longer the game went on. I originally thought it was HF + breshke because it seems like a play HF would do but I think this is right. The Breshke part isn't as terrible as I initially thought when I read this, but we would have to have power roles out the ass for this to be a balanced game with a 2-shot mafia vig as the only known role out there. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:27 Holyflare wrote: What if there's only 2 mafia with a 2 shot vig and no town roles?? then Breshke is the only mafia left and shot his partner because he thought he could swag on Palmar, marv, HF, JAT and me I'm... not seeing it sorry | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:31 batsnacks wrote: I'm the cop, I check jat last night. He's town. This is consistent with my actions today. They are not going to let me live after I just solved the game anyway. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/L4h7pLo.gif) | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote: The problem with this is that you are implying that town Palmar strongly misread scum marv. It can happen during the first day. I get that they're pretty good at reading each other, but if you think about it, even 90% accuracy after 1 day is still 1 in 10 games where it's wrong, which isn't that unrealistic a chance of happening given what else has been going on with marv. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:37 justanothertownie wrote: If Breshke was real AND we have a cop. Then scum HAS to have a rber right? The nightactions make 0 sense. Am I dumb? Pretty much. Actually, go back and read my narration of the night actions in my case on marv. Doesn't it make even more sense if you assume that Breshke is the scum vig and therefore marv knows the shot on Koshi is coming with absolute confidence? He can allow himself to change course on Koshi to look townie in advance of Koshi getting sacrificed. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:42 rsoultin wrote: okay, so hold on, hold on if bresh is actually the mafia vig, which honestly I kept discarding as a possibility because of the koshi shot despite the night actions not really making sense, shouldn't we lynch him first? yes but I'm selfish and want to catch the King | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:41 Holyflare wrote: Ah what if framer + gf?? + miller = balance with vig and cop? so... we lynch marv instead is what i'm hearing or we could lynch ls | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:39 LightningStrike wrote: Can I get a dose of reality please? what dooes this meaaan | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:44 rsoultin wrote: EBWOP: actually, I still don't get keeping bresh alive with that scenario? can you walk me through it? MARV IS MAFIA AND FEAR SHOT PALMAR I BELIEVE | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:45 justanothertownie wrote: No idea why we wouldn't lynch HF though. b/c he's town :| See Beyonde The Noise | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:48 justanothertownie wrote: Good point. IF there are 2 other mafia. Sorry but in no world do I think Breshke is the last mafia in this game. That dude can be okay mafia when he tries, but unless he improved at warp speed between NYE and this game, he isn't solo swagging a town with all of the tlmafia gods in it | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:50 batsnacks wrote: It does if breshke got lynched... which he does without the vig claim. Nah. For one I'm not sure Breshke was getting lynched over Koshi d2. For another even if he were, you shoot to put town in LYLO in that situation all the time | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:50 rsoultin wrote: ummm I think you're forgetting koshi in your numbers, eden? unless you think there are four mafia this game @.@ which would make hts kind of evil lol actually I don't know where you're getting the number 10 at all? 2 shot scum vig + 2 other mafia. sorry for lack of clarity and 10 people after the modkills | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:51 Eden1892 wrote: Nah. For one I'm not sure Breshke was getting lynched over Koshi d2. For another even if he were, you shoot to put town in LYLO in that situation all the time As an addendum I think if Breshke is mafia vig, there is no way he becomes the lynch d2. Koshi would absolutely be sac'd if needed to keep that 2nd shot. The resistance to killing Koshi + decision not to put town in LYLO if Breshke is getting lynched just doesn't add up | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:52 batsnacks wrote: I would argue that breshke was almost certainly getting lynched up until the moment he claimed. I wouldn't, I wanted Koshi and I am pretty confident I would have gotten Koshi since all the mafia would have backed me up in order to save Breshke. | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: Maybe I should townread Eden because of "mindmelding " -.- A+ And don't forget bats, marv was one of the people pressuring Breshke to start n1. So if you think marv and Breshke are the scumteam then their actions are pretty inconsistent with the idea of Breshke being scum vig, given that Koshi immediately said that Breshke had to be town vig (i.e. had been thinking about the implications of scum vig) | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:54 rsoultin wrote: oh, you're right 10 is 7 and 3? 2 shot town is 5 and 3 town lynches koshi or bresh 5-2 if it's bresh that brings it to 4-2 then kosh nah man, your math is off I think oh. hmmmmmmmmmmmm yep it wouldn't be auto | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:57 rsoultin wrote: Well, you're right here, it's true. No way mafia doesn't hard-buss koshi to protect their mafia vig. But at the same time, the safer play is not to rely on the town to get koshi lynched, I'd think? I don't know. I think we're just going to have to approach bresh like any other player and forget the claim, cause I can see it either way. I don't see how we can forget it though. There has to be a pretty compelling reason for him to shoot his partner. I really don't think that happened Imma be honest I'm on board the bats hypetrain. Dude has played to his town meta 100% and then claims cop with a scan that makes perfect sense with his reads so far. What if the mafia forgot to send in an RB target? | ||
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On February 09 2015 01:59 rsoultin wrote: lol i'm sensing a desire to claim bragging rights here, senpai xP bats, input? absolutely my ascension is at hand | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:00 batsnacks wrote: If this is true we need to lynch breshke. I am all in on my marv+breshke theory. Ugh I would much rather lynch someone whose flip will tell us something. If Breshke flips town we all feel like donkeys | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:02 LightningStrike wrote: Man this game is so reminding me of Metal Mini when I got to MYLO but lost......... I don't want to repeat losing as VT twice in MYLO. Kill this guy what the fuck | ||
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- In the middle of a heated discussion about what the PR claims mean, this post says nothing about them. - The post also makes no attempt to discuss anything else meaningfully. - The post presumes a mislynch today but does nothing to discuss targets to prevent it - The post claims VT again for basically 0 reason | ||
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almost like he no longer has perfect information informing his reads because of the claim...??? on a scale of "touch your toes" to "kiss the sky" how far am i reaching | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:15 justanothertownie wrote: Where is HF in all of this? is he in the UK rn? i have found the sleep schedule i derived for him absolutely bizarre if he isn't in the Pacific/East Asia sorry for making excuses for him but that's my guess | ||
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does anyone see a good reason for Palmar to have been the choice of medic dodge besides "marv is mafia and was afraid he'd come around eventually"? think about how well this played out for marv, Palmar mysteriously dies and no one can really explain why, Palmar tr'd marv before he died so marv is clear town because Palmar read him town i understand it's not obvious logic and it relies on a couple of assumptions, but truthfully what isn't at this point? and does anyone have anything more plausible? | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:20 justanothertownie wrote: It is like 7 pm for him and the lynch is in a few hours... IF he's in the UK. that's why I ask b/c this game he disappears around this time and doesn't come back until a pretty obscene hour for being in the UK (something like 3-4am) | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:22 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, more tin foil hat: IF Breshke was scum then scum knows there are some blue roles hiding. Maybe they thought Palmar was blue. Otherwise I don't really have a good explanation. Well if Breshke is town even, medic dodge needed anyway. So maybe they thought Palmar was blue and didn't want just to shoot Breshke in the event of medic dodge. Still though I feel like with Palmar being possible lynchbait (he WAS in a lot of POE lists at varying times of n1), you at least try to ML him and then work out his claim if it comes | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote: Actually no it makes marv the opposite ignore me why does it make marv anything? | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:30 rsoultin wrote: which is why i kept reading him town regardless of everything else. first hour day 1, ccing miller, just doesn't seem like an optimal scum play in the slightest Not picking on you rso, but since you're not the only one saying it... Why wouldn't mafia claim miller in that spot? | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:35 marvellosity wrote: .... HAAAAAAAAAAI ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/22/Kirby_Wii.png) | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:36 marvellosity wrote: i think we should vote marv LOL | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:38 marvellosity wrote: HF/JAT final answer do what you like dae mafia???????!!? | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:39 marvellosity wrote: yeah i'm not reading anymore of what i missed, it's got to dumb glhf you have no comment on bats's claim...? | ||
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i want to go celebrate but i'm getting a mad case of the cold feet rn | ||
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i will not believe until deadline but my vote isn't moving | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:48 rsoultin wrote: meh, everyone is voting for marv -_- i'm catching Eden's cold feet. granted if he gave up makes sense to buss but still Incidentally my feet are back to normal temperature Hf obliterating the Hf/JAT suggestion brought me back | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:50 marvellosity wrote: no i hadn't read it. my vote is on mafia then. i will return roughly 5-10 minutes before deadline to lecture you jubjubs. And you're all going to go "lol marv never gives up at town" and i will gloat that i would rather break my unlynched streak to punish you morons than to fight this retarded lynch. and you'll go "yeah right" and then i'll flip mafia+ Show Spoiler + town Man, temp dropped, wind's picking up Anybody else feel a front coming in? | ||
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On February 09 2015 02:52 Holyflare wrote: He gave eden the reins though let's listen to eden LMAO | ||
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On February 08 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote: I did read the bit he had on me and Koshi and I just facepalmed so hard. Is Eden really quite so stupid to think that I came around on Koshi because Eden really wanted me to? Like, really? That's just what I said, because I like to joke around, and it should be really really obvious that I came around on him for other reasons. Just... unbelievable. Why did you actually come around to Koshi? I went through your filter and looked for your actual reason and the closest thing I found before you said "I'm sheeping Eden on Koshi" is "Koshi's read is silly" On February 08 2015 20:12 marvellosity wrote: one last thing "waiting for a consensus to form on jat/HF" ? I moved over to HF before anyone else, 2nd on the wagon after bats only because bats has been gunning for him consistently. How is that "waiting" for consensus. Jat had 6 votes, HF had 1, and I switched? ok eden You moved your vote first, early in the phase, but you haven't made up your mind on either and pushed at all. You can certainly see why it might seem you're looking for a consensus to form. This is not a rebuttal because anybody can put a vote down on an alleged suspect for any reason. You didn't go out and try to push HF and you even acknowledge afterward that you haven't made up your mind: On February 08 2015 20:19 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, it seems whichever of jat/HF is in the thread at the time, I don't want to lynch. I generally agree with HF that jat's EoD D1 was much worse than Holyflare's was. arg. You could be town and just unsure, but when you try to act like it's ridiculous to think you could be waiting for consensus when nothing you've done d2 falsifies the idea, I can't help but wonder if I wasn't onto something. And yeah, I know, Palmar never is wrong about you etc. etc. I've already posited that this requires the assumption that for one day he was. I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption. Humans aren't perfect. Shit happens. I don't think Palmar tr'ing you before he died is compelling enough to clear you, and the other townies you cites as other sources (like Hf) you're either now townreading or themselves doubt you. Sorry marv, if I break your mislynch streak I'll feel really dumb but this entire sequence really doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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Get the fuck back here if you are town. I am not through with you. | ||
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Yea I guess, admittedly I had Hf on the mind with that point instead b/c Hf explicitly said "unspectacular but not mafia" or something to that effect earlier. | ||
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This is pretty simple. Breshke shoot Ls. Then we down to 5 with 1 mafia left: rso - town me - town bresh/bats - town jat - scanned town hf - probs town then we lynch hf and jat in order and we win!! hijole | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:20 LightningStrike wrote: Well you are wrong on me being scum bye Also I need everyone to quote this message and reply with a direct answer. Quote the part pertinent to you. justanothertownie: Are you blue? Holyflare: Are you blue? LightningStrike: Are you blue? rsoultin: Are you blue? marvellosity: Are you blue? | ||
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OK, so the setup we're looking at is ?Cop?, ?Vig? vs Goon, ?x?, ?x? I'm asking because it seems silly to me to have a godfather AND framer in a setup with a cop and vig. That's a lot of hate for the cop role and absolutely no response to the vig. I could believe a framer or godfather, but both is pretty awkward. If they have a roleblocker, they apparently forgot to use it to stop Koshi from dying. Hard to believe unless they forgot to use it period. I also have a lot of trouble believing that the mafia decided to vig one of their own when they could have vig'd JAT/HF/whoever had public sentiment against them. Shit Breshke could even have vigged someone no one else wanted to kill that badly if he had been consistently scumreading that person before. He wasn't really that railroaded into shooting Koshi imo. But then... where the hell is the other mafia PR? Is framer/2goons balanced vs cop and vig? I actually kinda feel like it might be - framer provides enough hate to the cop, and if you take out framer and cop, vanilla with a vig isn't that weird. It's probably townsided but it's not bizarre. I haven't had time to do my ultra-secret-probationary calculations to determine if it is. What I'm trying to say is that I think we should take bats and Breshke at face value and go from there. From there I really feel rso is town. I also feel that JAT and HF are town too, so this game is gonna get really hard if it's not LS and marv... | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:37 LightningStrike wrote: It's not me Eden I'm the town puppy here is proof: LOL | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote: Your scenario is balanced if there's a miller......... Hint hint But... | ||
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On February 09 2015 03:46 Holyflare wrote: Just going to treat all cop checks as nothing btw with an almost definite framer Well, all inno checks. Guilty checks are more situational imo I'm tr'ing JAT for reasons besides the check | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:01 rsoultin wrote: Okay, so I really don't get marv throwing in the towel as town. But, and this is a big but, Fake-claiming miller is just so not a good scum play. And what's bugging me even more about it is marv told me before when I was scumreading Celestial despite a blue claim that scum rarely fake-claims because they're afraid of the CC. Granted, Celestial was scum and obviously scum fake-claims, but the point is as long as he believes that, it makes it even less likely that he'd fake-claim miller, imo. Why not? Aware miller seems like the best fakeclaim to make. Guaranteed never to be copscanned which with a framer drastically improves defenses against cop. | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:21 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know how this is relevant in any way? If people in imperial hadn't been idiots he would have been lynched for example. hmm meh until he wows me i'm killing him if he honest to god folded like that as town and pissed away his mislynch streak, that's not my fault | ||
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On February 09 2015 04:57 rsoultin wrote: ;o; i don't want to think the town puppy is scum. but you're probably right, on both counts. i don't understand why marv isn't fighting the lynch, otherwise I don't either, but I don't get why mafia marv would waffle on HF and JAT if one of them is his partner. Seems like you either take the stance that your partner is town and kill off the other one or you take the stance that your partner is mafia and you lynch him. You don't waver. If it's either of JAT or HF then it's probably HF for three reasons: - HF was the one who got me off of lynching Koshi d1 - HF was the one of the two who said "marv is unspectacular but town" - I see through marv's WIFOM attempt and Know that he meant that HF was mafia But I really think it's neither. I will figure it out tomorrow if LS flips town after Breshke shoots him | ||
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On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote: So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum. On February 04 2015 13:16 LightningStrike wrote: So TLDR on my reads Town: Marv Palmar JAT rsoultin (She acting like she does in normal games asking lots of questions and being paranoid too) Breshke Onegu Null: Damdred Batsnacks sicklucker Holyflare Koshi (To little posts to go on for me) Scum: Eden1892 On February 05 2015 12:37 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh with you more likely sicklucker than Damdred and Breshke is still town he tunneling me that's all. On February 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: Okay JAT isn't good to lynch today and I back at square 1 except it's possible Breshke and sicklucker would be mafia but I don't have a case on them. + Show Spoiler + In hindsight, lol On February 06 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote: Okay Breshke wtf why you would claim now at the night phase. Now Mafia will kill you or roleblock you........ On February 08 2015 10:56 LightningStrike wrote: If I die from Mafia it's Eden if rsoultin dies it's Eden if JAT dies it's rsoultin if marv dies it's rsoultin if breshke dies it's anyone. That what my Magic 8 Ball say for now. On February 09 2015 02:14 LightningStrike wrote: My guess would be bats since he claimed so late but he also did this under some pressure. I also don't like how Breshke claimed Vig at N1 and it still finding it odd. On February 09 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote: It mainly how the claims happened and seeing JAT and HF going at it each other I meta reading HF a town he playing like he did Void Mafia although he was NK'd N1 JAT could be town it's possible but not really confident in a town read on him and Breshke claiming Vig at n1 it really isn't good play if he was town vig because he would of been roleblocked if there was a roleblocker on the mafia team and bats claiming Cop today making it ich a bit. I also finding it odd that Breshke didn't get NK'd instead of Palmar. | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:25 LightningStrike wrote: You know what let's lynch Breshke idk why he's alive if he's town vig because with vets on the mafia team he shouldn't be alive ##Unvote ##Vote: Breshke lmfao | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:29 rsoultin wrote: to be fair, eden, the bolded portion has been the major point hanging most of us up since Night 1 I think you're the only one who really hasn't questioned it at all, at least in terms of breshke's alignment? He still called Breshke town even after that. I quoted his response in a spoilerpop, check it. He immediately assumed Breshke was town b/c he said "you're gonna get roleblocked or shot" And he never thought Breshke could be mafia until everyone else did. This guy is mafia. | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:33 LightningStrike wrote: Honestly if Breshke is scum I know the last member of the mafia team. I would LOVE to hear this. | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote: If breshke town vig - get ppl to talk shoot mafia then claim + get credit or don't claim and get more shots/claim if under extreme pressure if needed or claim n1 get rb'd?? If breshke mafia and under pressure claim vig get town read?. Die d2 if not claim. Only benefits mafia but would have thought they would claim rb even if they didn't have it.... I literally can't decipher this | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:38 LightningStrike wrote: Ofc you would love to here it because it's you Eden. Eden normally is a medic dodge n1 and the two times I played with him he made it end game in New Years Ever Party Mafia as scum and he got lynched Day 1 in Linux Mafia. Eden been hard defending Breshke since Night 1 after Breshke claimed Vig and tried to get others to town read him and when I questioning Breshke's alignment after HTS post about how scum Vig can shoot other scum he attacked me when I attacked Breshke. L o l | ||
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- marv gave up as town - I decided to nearly lynch my teammate d1 - I decided to have my teammate shoot my other teammate K | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote: There is a thing called bussing where you try to get town cred for pushing your own scum team members and yet not lynch them. There is? I've never heard of that before. Why is it called bussing? I'm only a busser at work | ||
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- People who suspect him - Whoever the popular kill is at the time If anybody can go back to his town games and find an example where literally every single target he's had has fallen into one of these two categories then ok, but this is completely what I expect from a newer mafiaside player | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote: Let's say you are a town vigilante in a setup with roleblockers. Why on earth do you ever claim when you have 2 shots and there is a rber instead of just talking about everyones mafia reads?? The answer is that you don't. You are under pressure to be lynched day 2 and have a provable night action role so there is absolutely no threat to you getting lynched. Now let's say you are a mafia vigilante who is under crazy suspicion and will be lynched d2. What do you do to get out of that? Claim a role. Otherwise you die d2. The only benefit to claiming is for mafia. Y'all keep forgetting that at the time we were talking about vig not shooting. Breshke claimed because he wasn't planning to shoot at the time and figured he could be basically a named VT. That makes 100% sense. And then the counterfactual makes even less sense, claim d2 instead of n1 if you're mafia vig trying to get read as town vig. | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:48 Holyflare wrote: Aren't we getting breshke to shoot him? Yeah but it seems like people aren't actually giving an opinion on him. It's kinda annoying because I explicitly asked about it earlier and no one had squat to say Makes me think people are being lazy about reading him which I'm not gonna stand for if it's my scumread | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote: That does make a lot of sense, tbh. And people keep asking why shoot koshi if bresh is mafia? But if you're right about jat and I was right about jat before the cop claim cleared him, then bresh was being told to shoot between two mafia partners. He chooses to shoot someone else, it's going to be a lot harder to explain. Requires marv to be town Try again | ||
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On February 06 2015 08:43 Breshke wrote: It doesnt matter i wont be using my role im like a named VT if i shoot we go to Lylo if i dont shoot we have two lynches | ||
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On February 09 2015 05:55 Holyflare wrote: If i was mafia with a framer and koshi was obviously the shot i would frame mafia jat 10/10 times btw I would too but I don't think it matters since it's marv and LS as the final 2 mafia | ||
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my case is NOT that bad no matter what he tried to say | ||
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not much of one, but it's more than i figured he'd do if he were really scumclaiming, y'know? | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:04 rsoultin wrote: no, your case wasn't bad. it just didn't prove he was scum. honestly, I found his reaction to it more scummy than most of the things brought up in you case. course he kind of admitted to not really reading it lol >< well yeah, nothing ever "proves" a good player is mafia literally my case on Koshi was "he's not trying as hard as he should be." townies fuck off and don't try hard all the time. but he still turned out to be mafia you're never going to prove a good player is mafia, you're only going to present a strong amount of circumstantial evidence that s/he is and play to the odds I feel like I crossed that threshold with my case, and like you said marv's reaction was bad. he dismissed it as retarded and acted like it wasn't worth his time, then posted a flurry of semi-rebuttals that didn't really disprove anything, then bailed out right as I was following up on his rebuttals when if he sticks around and argues it, he has a decent shot (you'd think?) at getting me off his tail | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:08 Holyflare wrote: So what's the math like if we no lynch? :p ![[image loading]](http://www.gifcrap.com/g2data/albums/Forum/Get%20the%20fuck%20out_.gif) | ||
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if he's mafia then you've completely played into his hands. why spend effort defending himself if he can peace out and spook people into not lynching him all while not saying anything revealing about his partners? if he's town then you've incentivized pouting like this later on down the line like if he shows up again and starts bleeding town, ok, but he hasn't yet. come on | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:17 rsoultin wrote: Eden, do you see a bunch of people bailing? Have you considered that if marv does return to the thread and shit town bricks, that it would be better to have a good wagon we can switch to in a hurry rather than everyone scramble like headless chickens? There's value in this conversation. Please don't downplay it. ok, that's fair. don't mind me, i'm annoyed because i'm sure i caught mafia marv redhanded and ir eally want this lynch but you are right, carry on I think LS is the best other choice, at some point if we're wrong about marv then I guess we have to decide between hf and jat but i really don't want to breshke: bats could be fakeclaiming but everyone tr'd him for being in line with town meta before, so i'm kinda just riding with that. plus his check lines up with his reads | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:18 Breshke wrote: Anyway I think if we don't lynch marv today we 100% lynch LS you tha real mvp | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:21 batsnacks wrote: I wish eden had about 30 pages less of filter. Me too. My next mission is to ball out like this with 80% fewer posts | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:25 rsoultin wrote: Hey, Eden, who is LS mafia with if not marv? You too, breshke, bats? He's been doing really strange things, especially since the cop check, but I thought a lot of the scumread was association? One of JAT or HF I'm not lynching bats Breshke or you unless something nuts happens Also the most concise version of my case isn't association at all: On February 09 2015 05:47 Eden1892 wrote: Guys seriously how long are we gonna give it a pass because "it's LS" and when are we gonna look at what he's actually saying and realize he has no clear evolving view of the game state? This guy's targets all game have been: - People who suspect him - Whoever the popular kill is at the time If anybody can go back to his town games and find an example where literally every single target he's had has fallen into one of these two categories then ok, but this is completely what I expect from a newer mafiaside player There's some other stuff from around there in my filter that I'll dig up if needed, but I really feel like that's good enough to lynch for | ||
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I'll probably make it up to marv by lynching HF if marv is town | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote: Mindmelds with me all game we poe mafia at night and then I'm the mafia over the guy that made one case on a towny all game? then he aint even pushing me still since a cop check changed nothing for him and everything for us?? bruh I can kill both... oh this is about the ml streak? lol ok fine i'll kill jat first. w/e I really don't care because I'm really sure it's marv and LS | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:31 Breshke wrote: Bats why are you so sure JAT is town when there is a godfather? :o | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:32 Holyflare wrote: Awww shit breshke scum slip jat conf gf but but no way | ||
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god don't do this to me right now. inb4 marv rises from the dead as town jesus and throws this day into utter chaos | ||
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you don't forget "possible" godfather there do you? rso you're a linguist help | ||
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Not a scumslip Stay focused eden come on | ||
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On February 09 2015 06:36 Breshke wrote: EDEN I SWEAR TO GOD you played with me as scum you know how shit and pessimistic i am THERE IS NO WAY i go with a plan that means me killing a scum partner to make myself look better. I ALWAYS sac myself its 8 am i just woke up give me a break I know I know I'm being retarded | ||
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We lynch marv until he shows up and gives us reason for pause. If he does then we still lynch Ls. Breshke will shoot marv at night if we don't lynch marv today unless marv plays a good town game. If he does then we will shoot Holyflare so that his ML streak remains intact. We will go from there pending the flips | ||
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Pls reply. --- On February 08 2015 20:08 marvellosity wrote: I did read the bit he had on me and Koshi and I just facepalmed so hard. Is Eden really quite so stupid to think that I came around on Koshi because Eden really wanted me to? Like, really? That's just what I said, because I like to joke around, and it should be really really obvious that I came around on him for other reasons. Just... unbelievable. Why did you actually come around to Koshi? I went through your filter and looked for your actual reason and the closest thing I found before you said "I'm sheeping Eden on Koshi" is "Koshi's read is silly" On February 08 2015 20:12 marvellosity wrote: one last thing "waiting for a consensus to form on jat/HF" ? I moved over to HF before anyone else, 2nd on the wagon after bats only because bats has been gunning for him consistently. How is that "waiting" for consensus. Jat had 6 votes, HF had 1, and I switched? ok eden You moved your vote first, early in the phase, but you haven't made up your mind on either and pushed at all. You can certainly see why it might seem you're looking for a consensus to form. This is not a rebuttal because anybody can put a vote down on an alleged suspect for any reason. You didn't go out and try to push HF and you even acknowledge afterward that you haven't made up your mind: On February 08 2015 20:19 marvellosity wrote: Anyway, it seems whichever of jat/HF is in the thread at the time, I don't want to lynch. I generally agree with HF that jat's EoD D1 was much worse than Holyflare's was. arg. You could be town and just unsure, but when you try to act like it's ridiculous to think you could be waiting for consensus when nothing you've done d2 falsifies the idea, I can't help but wonder if I wasn't onto something. And yeah, I know, Palmar never is wrong about you etc. etc. I've already posited that this requires the assumption that for one day he was. I don't think that's an unreasonable assumption. Humans aren't perfect. Shit happens. I don't think Palmar tr'ing you before he died is compelling enough to clear you, and the other townies you cites as other sources (like Hf) you're either now townreading or themselves doubt you. Sorry marv, if I break your mislynch streak I'll feel really dumb but this entire sequence really doesn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE] | ||
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I liked that post. I'm not even sure if it really rebutted what I was saying but I liked that post. | ||
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##UNVOTE ##VOTE: LightningStrike | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:15 marvellosity wrote: don't know, don't care. either i get lynched today and i have a giggle about it (am very zen and amused about this) and you kill HF (which you must, do NOT LET HIM TALK HIS WAY OUT) or you lynch HF i accept nothing else I have no idea why but I'm convinced by this post that marv is okay. But we lynch Ls today. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:16 marvellosity wrote: if i'm alive you'll never believe me to kill HF you MUST kill me or HF man. don't be like that | ||
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We have time so please indulge this for a few | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:21 LightningStrike wrote: Fuck I need to yolo with Marv I trusting him. ##Unvote Vote: Holyflare Sorry Holyflare but there is a chance you might be scum but I listening to Marv now. God, right as I was gonna move to HF too. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:21 marvellosity wrote: if I live no-one is gonna believe me over HF for some magical reason that he has powers. we don't lynch LS today. LS could easily be terrible town. he's always terrible. he could be mafia. he could be town HF cannot be town. he cannot. I vouch for your towniness though And honestly I would really like to see you and HF square off directly to get another opinion. Just want one more look at you two debating it out. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:24 Breshke wrote: I don't care what marv says about it i want to lynch LS No. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:26 Breshke wrote: ##Vote LS Shoot him tonight if you have to. But marv is right. We have two big elephants in the room left to resolve: marv/HF and JAT/HF. We need to resolve these ASAP. I think marv is town. I don't know about either JAT or HF, honestly. But I think marv is town, and we need to give him this shot. Vote for HF. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:28 justanothertownie wrote: If you basically give up and say you will not defend yourself then every vote on you is justified and you won't get any information out of them. Isn't that kinda the point? marv gave HF a free ticket to vote him with his move and HF did. | ||
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Holyflare will sometimes have his scumbuddies on the ropes intentionally do something stupid so he can call them out for towncred. We did this in Linux; I claimed scum and was ready to troll the thread for a while, but then I saw in the QT that Holyflare wanted me to claim cop. I apologized for fucking it up and he just said to claim anyway. I was confused but went for it. As I was posting my fake claim he says "If this guy claims cop he's mafia 100%." Looks like a big shot when I claim cop right? Except it's totally fabricated. Go back and read Koshi's entrance into the thread at night. He starts pushing on me, which everyone agrees was absolutely terrible from the perspective of fighting the lynch. But it does one thing: it sets Holyflare up for the long game. Holyflare gets a chance to criticize Koshi and eventually scumread him, in part for Koshi's push, which seemed entirely too bad for someone as good as Koshi to do. Looking back, it's clear Koshi wasn't trying to survive. I think he was trying to get Holyflare some credit. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:34 justanothertownie wrote: Weren't you the one saying that Eden was obviously making a play? Not that this discussion is leading anywhere. Yes, but I could be making the play while actually being miller. "It was a play" just means I'm looking for something, it doesn't necessarily mean I lied anywhere. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:36 marvellosity wrote: i only said it was a play after you retracted eden at the time it was just a straight cc o lol | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:34 Eden1892 wrote: Actually, here's something else. Holyflare will sometimes have his scumbuddies on the ropes intentionally do something stupid so he can call them out for towncred. We did this in Linux; I claimed scum and was ready to troll the thread for a while, but then I saw in the QT that Holyflare wanted me to claim cop. I apologized for fucking it up and he just said to claim anyway. I was confused but went for it. As I was posting my fake claim he says "If this guy claims cop he's mafia 100%." Looks like a big shot when I claim cop right? Except it's totally fabricated. Go back and read Koshi's entrance into the thread at night. He starts pushing on me, which everyone agrees was absolutely terrible from the perspective of fighting the lynch. But it does one thing: it sets Holyflare up for the long game. Holyflare gets a chance to criticize Koshi and eventually scumread him, in part for Koshi's push, which seemed entirely too bad for someone as good as Koshi to do. Looking back, it's clear Koshi wasn't trying to survive. I think he was trying to get Holyflare some credit. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:37 marvellosity wrote: that's possible eden or it may have just been natural thread evolution where koshi made a mistake and HF pushed him for it. Why in fuck's name does Koshi try to get me, the universal townread, lynched in that spot when he's under fire? And why does he do such a bad job of it? Koshi is too good to have played that bad while trying to play well. | ||
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Zen sense and all. | ||
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On February 09 2015 07:46 marvellosity wrote: maybe mafia don't have a roleblocker. i dno. I can't prove that I did this without cheating, but rsoultin do you remember i sent myself a PM? It was my tin-foil hat theory for endgame cred :o | ||
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Shoot LS. No more not listening to me. | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:04 marvellosity wrote: na we lost because now i have to die Ohh, "we" = marv/LS Got it | ||
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We should have killed LS. Breshke you need to shoot LS tonight, then we lynch marv and win. | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:07 LightningStrike wrote: Breshke shoot JAT and I going to be afk for the next hour or two. LOL THIS GUY Absolutely no reaction to HF flipping town or marv. Just an order to shoot somebody who ostensibly isn't any more incriminated by the flip. Confirmed mafia. Shoot him tonight. 101%. | ||
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HF when you read this I'm sorry for being a dumbass. We should have lynched LS and shot you or just not killed you at all | ||
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He deserves to lose his ml streak as well for this abortion | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:58 LightningStrike wrote: Yes just shoot me idc I will just play the other game and I don't think Breshke is scum after EoD. Who do you think is mafia then...? No one else say anything about their suspects until he answers. | ||
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On February 09 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote: eh, I really don't see how this changes the extremely small chance that marv claims miller as he did, and frankly lynching him out of spite is stupid ugh ok ok u rite. I mean it. This is still correct. | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote: JAT because of HF's case on him. Partner is more likely rsoultin than anyone because unless Eden had learned how to play scum after like 48 hours after Linux I think she fits the bill more than him and Breshke. Congrats rsoultin I finally play you when you were scum and I now will be paranoid about you for a month 1) porque no los batsnacks? 2) porque rsoultin? | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:10 LightningStrike wrote: Bats is unCCed cop and Marv claimed miller so to make Cop work then there is a chance of miller and a framer in this setup for mafia. rsoultin is the last one on PoE for me since I town reading you Eden also I understand your questions because I took french in HS How come you think marv is town and truthfully claiming miller? There is nothing stopping mafia marv from claiming a role that is great for mafia to claim and it was pretty obvious I was making a play so there wasn't much reason to believe I was miller. And didn't you townread rsoultin at some point? No one else answer this question or react to it at all. | ||
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No one else answer these questions or react to them at all. | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:22 LightningStrike wrote: You the one who set the play by claiming miller and he counter claimed and no one else counter claimed marvs miller claim. I did read rsoultin town at one point yes but I never played with her when she was scum so ofc there is a chance she is scum for the first time I played with her. Do you have any reason for scumreading her besides POE? (not that POE is a bad reason per se, but I want to know where this is coming from) On February 09 2015 09:23 LightningStrike wrote: Breshke looked so townie at EoD with all the stuff going on. It just his claim was badly timed. Elaborate please | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:42 Breshke wrote: Eden do you have more or can i ask him a question Go ahead | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:48 LightningStrike wrote: There is a GF in this game Breshke so ofc the GF will appear green when checked by a cop so that means that JAT is most likely the GF. this looks like an actual scumslip | ||
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On February 09 2015 09:34 LightningStrike wrote: Just by PoE because of all the claims and stuff and since JAT is 100% Mafia I had to elimate him since he's confirmed in my eyes so I go to the others and with bats,breshke and marv all unCCed blues/millers I get to you and rsoultin and unless you improved your play as mafia after Linux so fast then it's 100% rsoultin is scum in this PoE list for me. Breshke keep pushing me for my magic 8 ball stuff the mafia team and been trying to solve the game by asking lots of questions but he also having second thoughts about me if I'm scum or town but he can just shoot me for all I care. Why is JAT 100% mafia? | ||
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On February 09 2015 10:27 Breshke wrote: Looking back on it now that this is obviously not the case i think this is fairly townie. I know it is setup speculation but it shows that LS is at least thinking critically about the game. Im not saying scum cant do this but it has been my main problem with LS. I don't. Guy's implicitly trying to find out if a doctor is in the game. It shows he's critically thinking about threats to the mafia when most of the rest of the game, he hasn't been critically thinking. That's why I want him to answer my questions so I can see where his head is at; he seems really obviously mafia and I really need him to show me that he's thinking about this game. | ||
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On February 09 2015 10:41 Breshke wrote: Idk if he is mafia he knew why i wasn't dead so he would know if there is a doc or not but i get what you are saying Nah, because the working theory right now is that Palmar was shot as a medic dodge. That actually reinforces the idea that docfishing is suspicious, because it's basically asking "Do we need to keep shooting medic dodges or can we shoot the nigh-confirmed townies?" | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:12 LightningStrike wrote: Sorry I was playing LoL game and HF's case on JAT is legit now that we seen HF flip Town and he made many good points on JAT and honestly the bully behavior that JAT displayed this game when people were voting is consistent with his behavior in Void mafia where he bullied people off him in the entire game as scum. Here's his filter from that game although he just was smurfing in that game that is why the name might be off His scum game in Void: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475749-the-void-mafia?user=Wile E. Coyote Why does HF flipping make his case on JAT any more legit? The points are as equally valid or invalid as they were before. HF flipping town just confirms that they weren't coming from mafia. | ||
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On February 09 2015 11:10 Breshke wrote: Im willing to wait for LS. My reason isn't anything big dont get your hopes up Go ahead. | ||
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Let's shoot into JAT, marv or bats | ||
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Instinct was right about these people: Damdred sicklucker rsoultin (pending) Breshke (pending) Holyflare Koshi Instinct says kill JAT and bats. How the fuck am I ignoring it rn? | ||
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We know there's a vig and honestly it never really made sense for scum vig not to shoot town, so Breshke is town. No way town has a cop and a 2-shot vig and mafia doesn't even have an rb to save Koshi with, and we already invalidated the only conspiracy theory for not saving Koshi that really made sense (except I guess for subbing in marv for HF). Actually maybe we shoot JAT? After all my only teams left are JAT/marv and JAT/bats... | ||
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On February 09 2015 12:34 rsoultin wrote: this is a little painful lol, he was obnoxious in void preliminary observations (i'm only like 15% through it) he was comfortable lightly pressuring his scummates, but wasn't really giving out many reads, just picking at things or snarking 1) Read his filter this game 2) Remove his HF tunnel 3) ??? | ||
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On February 09 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote: Fair enough. Probably headed to bed myself. Breshke, Eden, anything else y'all want to talk about? Am I a glory hog for shoot JAT lynch marv? | ||
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Breshke, I think you should shoot JAT and go from there. | ||
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Breshke shoot JAT always. He's the best pick for mafia right now + we might learn something about bats (depending on the flip) + we might learn something about the mafia (depending on flip) + if he's somehow town then we at least know that much instead of spending forever speculating about it + between marv and JAT I trust marv to bleed town more | ||
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Bats, you should roll a d3 online and pick among Breshke, rsoultin, or LightningStrike | ||
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On February 09 2015 15:52 justanothertownie wrote: I am pretty clueless. That's why I need to see the nightactions. Probably rsoultin? It could also be bats and he is just swagging on me because of our last game but I don't think this is very likely. It could also be marv but my gut said he is town all game. On the other hand we just let him live because of his 100% read on which he is never wrong. And he was wrong. You absolutely cannot shoot me here. You don't even learn anything if I flipped scum. And this won't happen because I am town and we will be in LYLO. Good luck finding both scum in that case. Assume me or Breshke dies since that happens 9 times out of 10. Add in scum LS from Breshke's shot. You have yourself, rsoultin, marv, batsnacks and the other of me or Breshke alive. Where do you go from there? | ||
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On February 09 2015 16:12 Breshke wrote: Okay i shoot LS he flips scum and scum either shoots me or eden and we flip town what then? Why is rsoultin "probably mafia"? That's what I'm talkin about son! | ||
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Frankly though I'm not sure I can leave it up to you and marv to figure each other out. There's a nonnegligible chance - actually a pretty decent chance in my book - that you're both mafia. That combination worries the fuck out of me because you're both hella good and I suspect I wouldn't be around to figure you out. | ||
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Now til EOD needs to be a damn Britfest in here. I need to see you both busting your asses. I don't think I make it to d3 and I am clueless as to whether or not either of you are town. | ||
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On February 09 2015 18:48 marvellosity wrote: tbh I think we shoot LS and if he flips framer or non-GF then we're a go. gotta take that shot though What happens if he doesn't? Say he flips GF, what does that change? Or... God forbid, town? | ||
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Later in the game, after several players have flipped, you can discern something about the identity of the opposing team by the activity pattern of the players lynched. A few observations in my experience tend to hold true: (1) If a mafia player is lynched early in the game or without much resistance, this tends to imply that the opposing team is relatively weak or lacking in thread presence. The logic at play here is that early lynches are very easy to deflect off of teammates and onto townies, and that mafia teams with stronger thread presence are capable of protecting their weaker links, while mafia teams with weaker thread presence aren't, and resort to busing or otherwise allowing their own to die. (2) The mafia tends to have a thread presence opposite that of the general thread presence of the townies that have been mislynched. In other words, if most of the townies that have been mislynched were relatively active and involved players, the mafia tends to be relatively inactive, and if most of the townies that have been mislynched were relatively inactive and uninvolved players, the mafia tends to be relatively active. This is where the two classic situations of a "town tearing itself apart" and a "mafia shepherding a town" come from: in the first one, active townies naturally gravitate toward killing one another, because hitting inactives is generally dissatisfying and active townies will tend to say some suspicious things as a byproduct of posting a lot, and in the second one, active mafia are capable of pushing through otherwise-questionable lynches on townies due to sheer force of willpower and thread presence. Now, granted, we've only had two actual lynches, but two other factors nonetheless permit me to make this analysis: (1) Early in N1, two townies who were popular wagons during D1 were modkilled, sufficient to create a de facto triple lynch. (2) The vigilante's shots have been unusually publicly discussed, making them effectively extensions of normal lynches. As a result, we can look at five different kills instead of just two, which is sufficient for this kind of analysis. The players killed in this fashion were: - Onegu (VT) - Damdred (VT) - sicklucker (VT) - Koshi (Goon) - Holyflare (VT) Of these five, three of the four townies (Damdred, sicklucker, Holyflare) were pretty active in the thread. They posted frequently and put forth efforts to solve the game ranging from respectable to commendable. Onegu is the one outlier, the victim of a late choke at EOD from yours truly. Koshi, on the other hand, was very inactive, didn't try very hard to solve the game and was very noticeably absent the entire way. Other players have been relatively inactive; Breshke was relatively inactive until he claimed vig, batsnacks has been relatively inactive the entire way, LS has chimed in sometimes but tends to afk for extended periods. Yet Koshi, who was mafia, ended up being lynched for this with relatively little resistance. These observations lead me to conclude that we are not dealing with a very active scumteam. If we were, Koshi would not have been so easily caught, and we wouldn't be lynching as many active townies as we are. This provides more evidence for LS as mafia, enough to where I'm back to wanting to shoot him. I still feel like either of marv or JAT could just have the unfortunate luck to be stuck carrying on their own here, but I do think this analysis helps to make them look town. The issue is that it implicates batsnacks, which is really tricky. | ||
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On February 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote: like there's no way bats/LS are mafia together because it makes bats' play on d2 totally redundant What was bats' play and what does a bats/LS team make redundant? (and yes I know what you're referencing, I'm just not following your thoughts) | ||
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On February 09 2015 20:12 marvellosity wrote: it certainly looks like it man what is this? ugh | ||
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instincts OP, this sequence is hella wrong On February 09 2015 18:47 marvellosity wrote: jat is fingering rsoultin as mafia when rsoultin just looks very, very townie. On February 09 2015 18:48 marvellosity wrote: tbh I think we shoot LS and if he flips framer or non-GF then we're a go. gotta take that shot though On February 09 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote: although personally i would go full yolo and shoot jat On February 09 2015 19:55 Breshke wrote: I agree so from your PoV JAT is like confirmed mafia On February 09 2015 20:12 marvellosity wrote: it certainly looks like it marv already had all the reasons needed to scumread JAT but called shooting him "a yolo play" and suggests killing LS instead when Breshke points out that JAT is confirmed mafia with the info marv already cited, marv says "it certainly looks like [JAT is confirmed mafia]" and then doesn't revise his shot call ...which means his shot call is the same as the person he has as confirmed mafia! these guys are the scumteam shoot marv lynch JAT we win | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:49 marvellosity wrote: miller get realz thx Meh. Reading that I was fakeclaiming miller wasn't that hard IMO. I keep finding this really unconvincing. Breshke shoot this guy. I want to kill JAT myself. | ||
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1) marv hasn't really been trying all that hard to solve the game imo given his filter size. he's been mostly sitting back and observing but then not really driving any lynches for most of the game, then he shows up at EOD and tries to lynch someone and goes back to being a background player post-flip 2) dude is 0/2 on his lynches and whatever he tries to spin it as, his evolution of his read on the one guy we caught is lame. maybe it's expecting too much but I feel like he should have seen Koshi as at least possibly mafia enough for his lynch not to be "shocking" at d1 EOD, and I feel like it should have been clearer to him sooner that Koshi was mafia and then this guy still hasn't suggested we shoot JAT over LS after being called out for it...??? | ||
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hard =/= hard claim lol sorry for confusion On February 10 2015 00:53 marvellosity wrote: like i had a big beef with various people AFTER YOU RETRACTED YOUR MILLER CLAIM where a whole bunch of people didn't understand it was a play so how the fuck was it obvious BEFORE you retracted, right at the start are you fucking insane? what's a mob to the king? maybe the average denizen of tlmafia doesn't see that it's play, hell maybe the average player in this game doesn't. you are neither | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:55 marvellosity wrote: "although personally i would go full yolo and shoot jat" = shoot jat lol bruh hell no. you just said before it "you have to take the shot" on LS and then calling it a full yolo play is obviously devaluing it so Breshke writes it off come the fuck on | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote: Okay guys I'm back and now I bring the case on why JAT is confirmed Mafia. Now lets start with my first piece of evidence his case on HF on page 15 of his filter: Now if you looked in Void Mafia he was just as aggressive towards HF at Pages 1,2, and 3 of his filter on these same type of behavior towards a different player named Half the Sky before turned his attention to his scum read Marv in that game. Also note his behavior after HF backed off of JAT , JAT started to like him in Void Mafia at page 4. From Void Mafia: Now if you look at his behavior regarding the votes on him or prssure on him he just attacked everyone including me and HF in this game. He did similar behavior throughout Void Mafia as scum and here is a convenient quote that JAT also in this game when someone mention him as scum in void Mafia when Koshi was town: and now here's some similar type of quotes from this game: Notice how he got angry on people wanting to lynch him throughout this game and in void he displayed the same behavior. When I played with him in Metal Mini he didn't seem to get mad as easily as this game and was activly solve the game there too. i haven't even read this shit beyond "JAT confirmed mafia" but LS has finally done the one thing i needed him to do all fucking game which is to stop saying "read XYZ filter" actually read it himself and come to a conclusion that doesn't completely fly in the face of this game's events i'll read it before EOD to see if it's bullshit but if this is legit then LS is town and this game got easier | ||
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On February 10 2015 00:59 marvellosity wrote: if i am mafia and i am lynching a townie i do not need to say "100%" and have people go "but your 100% reads are never wrong" you do if you don't want to get lynched yourself. (or at least, even if it may not be strictly necessary, your odds of success improve dramatically enough for me to find this unconvincing) | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:01 marvellosity wrote: I mean I can't argue with the guy who says "when I said "I am miller" you knew I was making a play and so you counterclaimed, even though if you knew it was a play there's still a very real risk there's a real miller out there" there is no arguing with that sort of person sweet dodge of the point that actually made me suspicious of you | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:02 marvellosity wrote: of course LS's case is legit, it's a hard bus it's frankly a better researched case than anything you've brought this game like you're being outworked by the town puppy rn, no joke | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:03 marvellosity wrote: but it's literally pointless to argue with you, you can't apply basic logic so what's the point K so if ls and jat are 100% mafia and hard-busing why did it take til now for you to say that when nothing either has done since you initially said "shoot ls" has actually changed | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:05 marvellosity wrote: it's like being barked at by a dog, and i can tell him he doesn't get dinner for an hour because he only gets dinner after i've had dinner and it's the same every day, but the dog will continue to bark best just leave the animal to it ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/American_bulldog.jpg) | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:05 marvellosity wrote: said that right at the beginning of phase wtf then why is shooting jat a yolo play?!?! if he's 100% mafia what is yolo about it?!?! ksahgdfsdkl surely you see my issue here! agh | ||
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it doesn't add up | ||
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will try to keep up on phone, but odds are no substantial posting til like 2hrs before eod | ||
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I got a baller theory as to why marv fakeclaimed miller. Mafia has framer and godfather, marv knew this so he figured there probably wasn't also a miller making it a safe fakeclaim. It's science. | ||
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(1) A framer, godfather AND miller would be overboard cop hate in a game with a cop (which bats is) (or really any game lol) (2) Town has a cop AND a 2-shot vig. Mafia has no rb. The only way this is balanced is a lot of cop hate for mafia. GF and FR achieve this. | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:20 marvellosity wrote: Eden, you're hilarious, i'll give you that sodium content too low computer says mafia | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote: can't wait till Breshke makes the wrong shot, mafia vigi hit their shot and town lose tonight it's gonna be baller troll harder mafia | ||
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lol because they were holding the shot to mindgame town lol | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:28 marvellosity wrote: how is it desperate you moron? i just forgot that we don't have a medic lol how tf would we have cop and doc and vig with no mafia rb how is that a thought that would ever sound plausible let alone enough for you to just accept as fact and forget we don't actually know | ||
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On February 10 2015 01:30 batsnacks wrote: I'm actually the medic btw. I made up the jat check. bats pls | ||
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Shoot JAT though. Idk what to do with bats | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote: I am literally telling you to shoot him because he is mafia and marv and me both saying he is mafia means he probably is. Ano no the shot is NOT like a lynch because you cannot defend yourself against it like you could against a lynch. Yeah how'd that work for Holyflare? Y'all haven't caught shit this whole game and you still act like you're entitled to choose the kill. And that I'm bad when I'm on fire this game. Unbelievable | ||
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On February 10 2015 03:35 justanothertownie wrote: This has nothing to do with the alignment of anyone in this game. It means you don't get to choose the lynch. Period | ||
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• Koshi is lynched d1 • No confusion about Damdred and sicklucker dying = no modkills • Hf isn't lynched d2 - maybe we ML anyway but he's alive • Breshke can vig 2 other people We would have broken this game if I got to call the shots. But you and marv and your stupid egos have gotten in the way and screwed this up. You are the reason why we are where we are. Get out of my way. | ||
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You need to explain to me why I should care about your opinion when you've been wrong, suspicious and a dick the whole game. | ||
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You should easily be able to see this, but you choose the least charitable explanation possible and take a potshot at me instead. And lol at you not flaming me. How many times have you called me bad this game? How many times have you called me stupid or said I'm game throwing? The only reason you haven't been modkilled for making this game utterly toxic is because no one cares about the quantity of your barbs as long as individually they aren't too rude. It's bullshit | ||
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On February 10 2015 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: I am clearly trying to work with you and you just go "you have been wrong a few times and I am awesome so fuck your opinion". If your instincts lead you to your suspects then please explain why your instincts say so. That's not asking too much. I'll do it when I'm off a phone. Hopefully within an hr definitely before EOD | ||
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Sorry still want JAT out. JAT I know this is BS for you if you're town but it's just all gut. I can't reliably differentiate your town and mafia games. You're too good at mafia and you never seem obviously town to me in the town games I had with you. Literally all I got is that you didn't seem all that invested in a d1 lynch and you had marv as claimed mafia d2, seemed the surest of all of us about it and then ended up on Hf anyway. Theres just too much of a pattern of being certain -> being wrong -> immediately being back to being certain. it doesnt feel natural. I admit this is all weak and you could be town and doing this but I just don't think you are. Sorry. Breshke you should shoot JAT tonight. I think LS is still town... Rso town. Bats could be with JAT as mafia. I'll say more on him at EOD. But I kinda think marv is the other one. It makes sense in my guy with how n1 went and how he seemed to hesitate on JAT/Hf d2. Again not at all ironclad but it's where I'm at. I am presenting my cases with an honest, objective view of their plausibility. Do not mistake this for a lack of conviction. I absolutely believe in these reads. I think my instinct will guide us to victory, I just need y'all to trust me. | ||
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Like I see the problem with his read but I don't see why it makes him mafia tbh. | ||
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It's a gut lynch. I just can't clearly read you town to mitigate my instinct with my reason | ||
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On February 10 2015 05:43 justanothertownie wrote: It is a fearlynch. You said yourself you cannot differentiate between my town and my mafia game and this is why you are lynching me which is pretty sad btw. No I fucking didn't. You cannot be this bad at reading so I'm forced to assume that you're still choosing to misrepresent what I'm saying. | ||
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JESUS CHRIST | ||
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Breshke shot marv over JAT pls. But pls shoot one so I know what to do | ||
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Tbh JAT is kinda convincing me on LS. And it helps that marv keeps giving LS all kinds of passes not to be read, or at least it helps that I remember this happening. Lemme go try to find what I'm remembering. | ||
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If marv flips mafia though I think LS almost certainly gets lynched at some point, if not tomorrow then at 3p LYLO. it's actually the exact opposite of JAT's earlier argument, lol. Rather than remove the lynchbait suspect from the pool, I think it's better to remove the suspect who can argue himself out of suspect status, because if marv does manage to do it he won't be lynched ever. | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:34 LightningStrike wrote: Just shoot me so I not in the way of finding scum for you guys. I only just a roadblock for finding scum at this point. agh the martyrdom doe... don't shoot him it feels too sincere shoot marv instead | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:35 Breshke wrote: If mafia have a 2 shot vigi and we lose tonight because i shoot town apologies in advance lol if they held their shot n1 to mindgame us like that, props to them | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote: They would never hold that shot. No way. i agree | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:39 batsnacks wrote: That's not what I said or what I meant. If breshke is the town vig then he is town. He is more sure of his own alignment and agenda than any of ours. um i'm clearly town and my agenda is pretty open so i'm not sure where this is coming from. who did you save n1? | ||
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On February 10 2015 07:49 batsnacks wrote: Your agenda is chaos. Your filter is absolutely horrendous. If I'm apparently playing so bad, why haven't you stepped up and done anything to help me see it or help town ignore me and go to work despite my badness? This post is really giving me a bad feeling about bats. I know it's not his game to be in the middle of everything and making town do things, but this guy sounds like he's content to let town suffer through my apparently poor play. | ||
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- shoot marv - lynch marv - hopefully jat/ls will become clear. my gut still doesn't like jat, but he makes good points about ls's recent reads - really think rso is still town - thinking bats is bullshitting with his claims, if he's around tomorrow you need to look hard at him and figure out wtf he's doing. he's not top of my lynch list but something is wrong here still | ||
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On February 11 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote: lol that wasn't the scumslip y'all thought it was I really was checking the op for how many millers there could be xP and had no intention of claiming actually, very few of y'all's scumreads were correct ^^ marv had me nailed. and jat >> most everyone else, nope ^^ maaaaybe HF This post is ironclad evidence that my emoticon read was 100% spot on fwiw | ||
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On February 11 2015 13:59 rsoultin wrote: rofl <3 u eden you had me so weird about emoticons this game it was funny xP I was like hyper-focused on how many times i'd want to put them in and if that was too many or not >< like it was a dumb thing to even be thinking about lol mind games | ||
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On February 11 2015 14:07 rsoultin wrote: one of these days we may even roll town together you never knoooowthis needs to happen soon | ||
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On February 11 2015 14:09 Holyflare wrote: was reading n1 again and i get the whole mafia team and then eden says i'm town then he returns and throws it all out and says i'm mafia for absolutely no reason bro........... you don't ever make sense JAT mindfucked me with all his dumping on my mindmeld In retrospect, a horrible decision that I literally told myself I would never make again | ||
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On February 11 2015 23:15 Koshi wrote: wp all.Town was pretty strong. Incredible to read the posts from marv/eden/hf especially. Others always had at least 1 scum on their list. !!! slowly getting there one day i'm gonna be consistently mentioned in that company | ||
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