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On February 06 2015 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Anyway, I don't think imperial is a good game to judge someones meta on besides perhaps tone which there is a lot more example of. Maybe writing style to, but in a game that's so big its really easy to get lost, normally I can remember every page I read roughly and find what i'm looking for past day two in imperial I was lucky to remember things we talked about 10 pages ago there was so much information overload.
SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point.
Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him.
I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing.
I just don't know if this makes him scum.
first of all, no one lynch this guy, please
secondly, can you cite quotes for the two examples at the end of paragraph 3? or at least for the "he made one about me [...]" bit because I can't parse what you mean there. I can check the paranoid stuff myself I guess
Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all
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On February 06 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:17 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Anyway, I don't think imperial is a good game to judge someones meta on besides perhaps tone which there is a lot more example of. Maybe writing style to, but in a game that's so big its really easy to get lost, normally I can remember every page I read roughly and find what i'm looking for past day two in imperial I was lucky to remember things we talked about 10 pages ago there was so much information overload.
SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point.
Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him.
I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing.
I just don't know if this makes him scum. Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all And what let's you make this debatable conclusion? I literally posted a POE list which indicates a townread or at least a don't lynch read on every player not on it.
uh, probably the 'rigorous' part. handing out townreads without explanation != rigor
and while this isn't related to being rigorous with townreads specifically, the more general point of not being sufficiently rigorous to do a POE lynch holds because you narrowed your list to seven and then didn't make an effort to get it any lower
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On February 06 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote:
There is absolutely no reason for anyone to think I am scum unless you say that having to work makes me scum somehow which is retarded. So the only reason to vote me is to pressure me which is just as retarded since being voted does not magically make me have time regardess of my alignment.
bruh you spent 2 hours in the thread after you posted that list and spent literally the whole time talking about not-the-people-on-your-list, except the one time I questioned you on HF where you had to
I think you're mafia because you gave us this list of names to lynch half the game long that was basically completely in line with thread direction, added nothing to the discussion, and then didn't do anything to narrow down the list and provide any new insights into the players on that list
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On February 06 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:17 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Anyway, I don't think imperial is a good game to judge someones meta on besides perhaps tone which there is a lot more example of. Maybe writing style to, but in a game that's so big its really easy to get lost, normally I can remember every page I read roughly and find what i'm looking for past day two in imperial I was lucky to remember things we talked about 10 pages ago there was so much information overload.
SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point.
Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him.
I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing.
I just don't know if this makes him scum. Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all And what let's you make this debatable conclusion? I literally posted a POE list which indicates a townread or at least a don't lynch read on every player not on it. uh, probably the 'rigorous' part. handing out townreads without explanation != rigor and while this isn't related to being rigorous with townreads specifically, the more general point of not being sufficiently rigorous to do a POE lynch holds because you narrowed your list to seven and then didn't make an effort to get it any lower Bullshit. I dare you to read the post and tell me again I did not narrow it down. Not to mention that I have enough time today to do that.
yeah I just did. you had Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills and 5 other people as "would kill if convinced" and then didn't do anything to develop that. and you spent 2 hours in the thread after posting it, no time johns for you
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like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results
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On February 06 2015 01:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:27 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:23 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:17 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:13 Damdred wrote:
Anyway, I don't think imperial is a good game to judge someones meta on besides perhaps tone which there is a lot more example of. Maybe writing style to, but in a game that's so big its really easy to get lost, normally I can remember every page I read roughly and find what i'm looking for past day two in imperial I was lucky to remember things we talked about 10 pages ago there was so much information overload.
SL probably didn't answer everything in imperial I will agree with that, but that game made it impossible to answer everything. His other games that he rolled town in he specifically would comment on everything in the thread that he could at that time for the most point.
Eden, your second point is a bit weird not because its not true or that its not something that a scum player can be guilty of, but its weird because it could be attributed to a great many people in the thread who are just sheeping or doing jack all. Its more of a null point, JAT usually does make good comments and point out a few things that are interesting as town he made one about me in his filter about the read wasn't the weird part about me that was pretty good. And he seems decently paranoid at points when it comes to people town reading him.
I haven't checked who was active in the thread at the time that JAT was present besides JAT and SL and a few others, so I can't really verify that he was able to follow up and he hasn't really been back since. And finding mafia through POE isn't exactly the most horrible thing.
I just don't know if this makes him scum. Finding mafia through POE isn't per se a problem, but you have to actually be rigorous with finding townreads in order to do it and I really feel like JAT hasn't been thus far, at all And what let's you make this debatable conclusion? I literally posted a POE list which indicates a townread or at least a don't lynch read on every player not on it. uh, probably the 'rigorous' part. handing out townreads without explanation != rigor and while this isn't related to being rigorous with townreads specifically, the more general point of not being sufficiently rigorous to do a POE lynch holds because you narrowed your list to seven and then didn't make an effort to get it any lower Bullshit. I dare you to read the post and tell me again I did not narrow it down. Not to mention that I have enough time today to do that. yeah I just did. you had Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills and 5 other people as "would kill if convinced" and then didn't do anything to develop that. and you spent 2 hours in the thread after posting it, no time johns for you So, I did narrow it down and you were pushing me for something that isn't true. GJ Eden.
i hope that defense sounded better in your head, because you're still apparently ignoring the key point which is that you still spent time in the thread not doing anything to develop that list. you just dropped the list and then talked about other stuff instead
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On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1.
I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people?
Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments?
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On February 06 2015 01:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2015 13:35 Onegu wrote:
Oh and because it's marv that's posting, that means he is town. Also as I pointed out you tried to make marv look bad. The fact that he is posting does not mean marv is town. People who attack marv are also not more likely to be mafia. You should know this since you were going at him when he was really obviously town in heavyweight III. Also I am retracting this: On February 05 2015 01:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv you are annoying just shut up like you promised :/ Marv, I am hereby allowing you to post again. Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On February 04 2015 13:41 Damdred wrote:On February 04 2015 13:12 LightningStrike wrote:On February 04 2015 13:04 rsoultin wrote:On February 04 2015 13:02 LightningStrike wrote:Okay I understand why people calling me scum on my meta alone but I been playing some LoL games with my clan that's all and honestly I only played with scum!Eden and I getting a strange feeling from him this game that he might be scum but he seems sarcastic and trolling a lot earlier but he seem to be more serious now that how he was in our last game so (shrugs) Also I defended you rsoultin because I know you pretty damn well and you know it  I know you defend me a lot so I'm less suspicious when you do it vice other people. Where are your reads now, LS? So far seems to be Eden possible scum but it just might be paranoia on my part and I did unvote him since I can't get a train going. Damdred Null leaning his actions early were pretty questionable to how he normally plays but he seemed to look better for now. Sicklucker might be town but the last time I gave him a free pass on Day 1 he was scum I will have to hold off on that for now. Marv and Palmar are town since they made a decent case on Damdred being scum and followed up on it. JAT is most likely town he doesn't seem to be like a dick like he was when he was scum in Void Mafia. HF null I only played with him as scum only seemed him as town for 1 game but I can't tell the difference for now. Bats null he made to little posts for me to read him correctly. Onegu might be possible town but I never played with him before but he got a couple good questions but his filter length is pretty small too. Breshke town he asking lots of questions about me like he did in Student V and trying to make a meta case on me being scum. This is the most horrible post in the entire thread. Firstly LS shows little understanding of what is going on in the thread, First he has a scum read on eden (who is really towny btw) for no reasons at all basically just trolling earlier when it was a play rather than trolling. Now he calls my actions into question that I did earlier but doesn't give any information about them at all, I questioned his scum read but my actions are questionable? This is just a mafia post if I've seen one I have absolutely no idea how damdred comes to this conclusion about this post with the reasoning he is giving here. Does LS strike you as a player who would give only one scumread on the universal townread of all strong players in the game? Especially the last line seems way overboard. Show nested quote +On February 05 2015 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:Found some time. Let's see how far I get. On February 04 2015 10:33 Damdred wrote:On February 04 2015 10:31 Breshke wrote:On February 04 2015 10:23 Damdred wrote:
Breshke, (btw your name is in my phones auto correct now lol) Marv Eden and Palmar are all really towny.
Jays town probably to, rs isn't. Im honestly surprised by how little my name gets misspelled Why is JAT probably town? Mostly just tone read, he's more s town lean atm On February 04 2015 10:34 Holyflare wrote:
Damdred is far far far too sure about his reads. JAT just fooled people as mafia last game and plays as mafia generally well yet he's probably town, I have literally just been trolling yet at the top of the page he's trying to convince me to kill rs after he flips, marv he said be wary of yet still lists him as town even though he knows he's a miller....
silly To be honest the read on me is not what is bothering me about damdred. I guess he should maybe be a little more paranoid about me in general (?) but he told me in the void postgame that he thinks he can read me by tone and I think my tone so far has been pretty different/more jovial than in void mafia for obvious reasons. These are just some of the posts I've pulled out where he looks like hes doing things and dI like the posts even if they are about me. Also you accuse him of not furthering his reads or pressuring people basically, but if you read his filter a good portion of it is questions to me for example on some reads or statements he disagrees with. He wants to lynch me and he is interacting with me, he is doing the JAT thing trying to figure things out towards me at least. I think he looks ok, not super town but shouldnt' be lynched today.
The marv thing is fluff, I don't see where the tone thing is going. He does stay on point about you being too sure of your reads, so I guess I went too far in saying he did nothing, but if that's all he managed in the time he had, I'm still not convinced he put much effort into it.
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On February 06 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:39 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments? I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial
Obviously not, I didn't say you had to decide between them right then. What I meant is, where are you questioning Damdred and sicklucker to develop your reads so you'll know who you want to pick?
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On February 06 2015 01:44 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:42 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:39 Eden1892 wrote:On February 06 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:On February 06 2015 01:29 Eden1892 wrote:
like I get that you were busy JAT. that is actually part of the reason for my read! given that you were busy with work and needed to get some sleep at some point, and that you had decided to devote a few hrs of your time to mafia, I expected to see more work than you did to narrow your list down and get some results This does not make me mafia and you know it. I rarely am certain or even close to that this early day1. I'm not sure what this is replying to out of what I said. If anything it seems like a more compelling reason to work harder to figure out the game, no? If you're chronically uncertain about players' alignments on d1 and you have a large lynch pool, why not dig into it further to get better reads on people? Like you have Damdred and sicklucker as your best kills, "preferred lynch targets" you call them but where do you try to pick between them? Where's the push to figure out their alignments? I don't have to decide between them when I have several hours to do this before deadline. I am almost always finding my lynch target very late in the day and even you should know this. -> Imperial Obviously not, I didn't say you had to decide between them right then. What I meant is, where are you questioning Damdred and sicklucker to develop your reads so you'll know who you want to pick? Damdred just told you I was questioning him. What on earth are you talking about? What happened to your towngame since Imperial? You are spamming, confirmation biasing and trolling. All the things you said you didn't want to to anymore. It is really sad.
Definitely not trolling
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Ugh fuck this stupid game I have to rethink AGAIN
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unvote
Maybe I can do some prelim vca and try to find something
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Just on a quick glance:
- Why did LightningStrike flip onto JAT from SL when SL was voting JAT?
- What's Koshi even doing? Maybe that's where I should be looking for people who I think aren't putting in time.
- If I think JAT is town then rsoultin and especially Damdred are probably town as well. I don't see why Damdred would be anywhere close to invested in the arguments around JAT if he were mafia. And rsoultin saying, in effect, "I see where you're going on JAT but I'm staying on SL" is pretty good if you assume JAT is town. It's not that she couldn't do that as mafia, but in any world where SL is mafia, she doesn't stay as mafia, she switches, imo. If SL is also town it's another story and she could be mafia.
- Oddly enough I still like SL. Sorry Damdred. I swear I'm not saying this just to piss you off.
- Holyflare, batsnacks and Onegu are all off doing their own thing. One of them is probably mafia.
- Don't remember why Breshke moved.
I think I like lynching Koshi and one of HF/batsnacks/Onegu, more likely HF/batsnacks because Onegu is already on Koshi.
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Sure we can lynch Breshke?
Lemme go see why he moved again and read filter like bats said
Idk I kinda want Koshi cause I expect better from him. Think about how big an ax he had to grind about town being shitters in Void. If he rolled town again wouldn't you expect him to ball out more?
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On February 06 2015 01:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2015 01:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Just on a quick glance:
- Why did LightningStrike flip onto JAT from SL when SL was voting JAT?
- What's Koshi even doing? Maybe that's where I should be looking for people who I think aren't putting in time.
- If I think JAT is town then rsoultin and especially Damdred are probably town as well. I don't see why Damdred would be anywhere close to invested in the arguments around JAT if he were mafia. And rsoultin saying, in effect, "I see where you're going on JAT but I'm staying on SL" is pretty good if you assume JAT is town. It's not that she couldn't do that as mafia, but in any world where SL is mafia, she doesn't stay as mafia, she switches, imo. If SL is also town it's another story and she could be mafia.
- Oddly enough I still like SL. Sorry Damdred. I swear I'm not saying this just to piss you off.
- Holyflare, batsnacks and Onegu are all off doing their own thing. One of them is probably mafia.
- Don't remember why Breshke moved.
I think I like lynching Koshi and one of HF/batsnacks/Onegu, more likely HF/batsnacks because Onegu is already on Koshi. Why is damdred town for siding with me? That is the easiest fucking thing in the world to do as scum. I am never getting mislynched and people will sooner rather than later realize that I am town and then he looks good. And even if you lynched me he would still look good.
It isn't him siding with you, it's that he bothered to be involved at all. He went back and dug out quotes showing where you pushed your read on him that I missed in my reading. He's been arguing the case with me since before you even arrived back in the thread. It's not impossible for him to do as mafia, but I can't see why he would give a shit, I guess? Seems like if he's mafia he would be more than happy to let me keep yelling about lynching you, especially when Palmar and marv were in the thread saying they'd want to lynch Damdred if not you.
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On February 06 2015 02:00 marvellosity wrote:
and yeah, mafia get way over-invested in defending townies all the time, it's a very natural thing to do
Yeah, but when they're the alternate candidate? Because you and Palmar were very clearly going to lynch Damdred if not JAT
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Also what am I missing about Breshke? I read his filter and it doesn't look passive like bats said.
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On February 06 2015 02:11 Damdred wrote:
Also eden why did you have such a hard on for jat following thread sentiment to you but youd on't see anything wrong with breshke filter when he sheeped onto jat with one of his scum reads because that's what was being talked about?
I meant with the "passive" descriptor specifically, sorry. I see where you're coming from on his vote switch.
I think the passive part matters because it's the reason batsnacks keeps pushing on Breshke, and I'm not really sold on batsnacks being town. It'd help me get a read on bats if I knew where he's coming from.
I could lynch Breshke today, I think I rather Koshi because I expect more from him though. This guy rants way too much in obs qt about town not seeing obvious mafia for him to roll town and be this apathetic about the game.
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On February 06 2015 02:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay JAT isn't good to lynch today and I back at square 1 except it's possible Breshke and sicklucker would be mafia but I don't have a case on them.
You don't have a case on sicklucker?
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On February 06 2015 02:20 Damdred wrote:
Eden point me out a few good things in breshkes filter
There was one point where he was discussing LightningStrike and it seemed like his read on LS was pretty natural and evolving. That's all I really remember though.
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