Linux Mini Mafia

On January 30 2015 18:18 geript wrote:
Actually I want a break. /out

On January 30 2015 15:19 Eden1892 wrote:
/IN!!!!!!

player list looks great

On January 30 2015 20:58 Blazinghand wrote:
BTW if nobody actually likes majority lynch we can change things. I prefer it but I'm not the one who'll be playing. In the absence of any comments I'll stick with majority as it's set up in the OP.

On January 31 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote:

"your meta says"...?

On January 31 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:

Never.

On January 31 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote:
I always try to convince people im town nothing new here. The important part is that Ls is confirmed town. Hes usually pretty hard to figure out so im quite happy the way things are going.

These guys are almost always town.

Marv
Robik
Ls
Dandred

On January 31 2015 13:50 LightningStrike wrote:

I meant never on Day 1 because sickluckers Day 1 always been horrible to play with as both alignments as I played with sicklucker on Day 1s as both alignments and it's a pain in the butt to deal with.

On January 31 2015 13:51 Trfel wrote:
Yeah, no clue why you Europeans stay up so late XD

Though to be fair, I often stay up so late that you guys go to sleep and wake back up and start posting before I finally sleep....

On January 31 2015 14:08 Eden1892 wrote:
Lol at people speculating about my absence or lack of followup when I explicitly said I had work coming up near the end of my posting.

I'm gonna catch up later but to answer HF: Calling it sheeping was a joke, I just thought you had a good point on SL being unreasonably angry/defensive and voted to add to the pressure on sicklucker to explain himself. I asked my question because I wanted to see why sicklucker was tilting.

Also I am completely serious about trying not to get nightkilled n1. Across all sites I play at I've literally gone half a year since I got to see d2 as town. Meanwhile as mafia I've had to drag myself through two final 3's and a final 4. I really don't like playing mafia and I like playing town, but my current style isn't letting me get there for whatever reason, and I'm pretty pissed that I sign up for a game and only get to play 3 days of the side I want to play while dragging myself through 2+ weeks of the side I don't want to play so I'm not a completely shitty teammate. To me being mafia is a fulfillment of the social contract of the game - we can't all be town all the time, so every now and then you have to pay your dues by playing the foil. And I feel like I've gotten a raw deal lately because 80% of my play time has been as the foil.

The really maddening thing is that I don't even feel like my d1 play has been all that good in the games I've been town. It's been okay I guess but I never feel like I've gotten close to solving the puzzle. I could be okay with dying n1 if I caught the scumteam or even felt like I'd gotten close, but I never really did. And again with bigger names like marv and HF in the game, maybe it's silly to even worry about it, but the data says that my play style = nightkilled often, and my self-evaluation doesn't change that.

So yeah, I wanted to sandbag d1. I've deliberately made my play style the last 2 games trolly and bullshit to start day 1 so that I won't be in everyone's townpile for trying hard to kickstart things. I wanted to do the same thing here, but it's getting in the way of actually chasing my lead on sicklucker, and I'm not going to sandbag so hard that I stop actually playing the game right. If I still get nightkilled here to start off then I'll just have to try something else next game.

Also I'm pretty sure I didn't actually ask my question well before work, so I'm gonna try again.

sicklucker, I remember you saying that "your meta says" you get upset at early roleclaims. It seemed like really weird wording, because it's almost like you were explaining yourself following directions. "My meta says I get mad at Robik for claiming, so I got mad at him." Maybe I read too much into it but it seems really formulaic, almost like a checklist. Needless to say, I think that's far more likely to come from a mafia POV. What did you mean by that statement?

Requoting here for reference sake:

On January 31 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:

How about the part where I said that I'm really slow? And the part where IEM is on right now?

I'll get through the thread before I go to sleep. Just, that may be after everyone else has gone to sleep and woken up again.

On January 31 2015 14:13 sicklucker wrote:


I also say Ls is not capable of faking it. So when he has a correct strong read about me hes always town

On January 31 2015 20:20 Chezitwo wrote:


Word count: 310

On January 31 2015 23:30 Half the Sky wrote:
I actually don't like Rasputin as of the time when I went to bed.

She calls me boring. Ironic because both of us were playing catchup last night because of RL commitments and she started commenting even later than I did.

So I'm not sure what that makes her, really.

On January 31 2015 23:44 Damdred wrote:
Why are you so boring rs

On January 31 2015 23:46 Half the Sky wrote:
I'm looking at Chez's filter.

No idea where he's going with his ideas. His linked explanation to Fecalfeast's vote simply linked to his filter. Why don't you explain exactly what about Fecalfeast made him scumlike?

Then he asks Marv whether he's a distro, when his vote is on him. Where did that come from?

On January 31 2015 23:51 Damdred wrote:
I like hts posts seem ok at this point town pile for now.

Tr just isn't here in a way I feel is towny, posts lack focus and intent and promises contribution later days. Really don't like it and under the radar

On January 31 2015 23:57 marvellosity wrote:
I could kill rsoultin for being boring.

On February 01 2015 00:03 LightningStrike wrote:

I feel like HTS is town this game although the last I gave her a town read Day 1 she fucked me over as scum and not quite forgiven her for that but you know I never played with scum HTS before that game so what can I say. Can you tell me why you're right and I'm wrong about our reads on HTS?

On February 01 2015 00:21 Damdred wrote:
Same question to you rsoul

On February 01 2015 00:25 LightningStrike wrote:

My Great Uncle was over at my house so ofc my activity took a hit because I was hanging out with them and I don't got a scum qt so I aint scum this game at all. My reasoning might be a bit weak though yes but I feel like you are much more motivated this game than Student V and so does Marv but HF I like him so far but the last town I gave him a Day 1 townread he was scum (Carol of the Bell) so I need to seem his progress this game to see difference between his play at Carol and here.

On February 01 2015 00:40 Damdred wrote:
I was looking at Trfel filter again and a few things popped up at me that raised a red flag.

Really hard disbelief/doubt on robik claim when it happened. This is interesting to me because of the difference in what Trfel did and thread. People were mad at Rob claiming but believed it, brownies generally believe claims due to it adding more information and game being slightly easier even if it's bad. Mafia already knew partial setup, and disbelief to robik claim could be a Scum slip from to much info.

Moving on thread presence is really down and lots of excuses about why he's not posting much.

Lastly a pretty decent sized list post with no conclusive reads no Scum reads just really noncommittal reads,

Trfel is scum

On February 01 2015 00:29 Damdred wrote:
I'm not really commenting on your activity LS, it's not horrible and you don't lie about rl things. So what I have been commenting on when it comes to you is a marked change in your posting at this point, reads are a bit different which isn't bad. It should just give people pause when reading you.

On February 01 2015 00:54 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya I started to think Tfrel was scum again mainly he seemed to play similar to how he played in Student V as scum which was pretty much his posts were a lot less to be desired knowing how he plays as town but it might be paranoia from playing a scum with him for the first time and I had a similar paranoia about Breshke in Student V. But seeing you have the feeling about Tfrel as I do I trusting you on this.
##Vote:Tfrel

On February 01 2015 01:00 Damdred wrote:
Smaller posts, reads are a bit harder compared to other games. Not using meta as much.

On February 01 2015 01:05 LightningStrike wrote:

He was very effective in Carol idk what the hell he been smoking and he had good impact in Student IV in fact I NK'd him there because I was afraid of him. In Carol he used his Cop power on a question mark and got us to clear FF and he made a good case on KSC in that game that got KSC lynched as scum. Granted he didn't have good impact in the Newbie game but still it wasn't to worrying. His scum game with policy lynching is far from normal from him so that why we both went after him on that in the last game we played (Student V).

On February 01 2015 01:17 Damdred wrote:
Opinions on ff. Rs and LS go

On February 01 2015 01:23 rsoultin wrote:


Eh, not a fan of his play in general. I only townread him last game because I knew what role I had and that he was townreading me because of my questioning SL half-claiming it.

I'll take another look through his filter, though, to see if anything specific stands out.

On February 01 2015 01:31 LightningStrike wrote:
FecalFeast doesn't seem memorable for me and he seemed to just seem to avoid questioning a lot and doesn't seem to have good developed reads and is less involved compared to when I played with him at Campus Mafia when he was VT so far. Here is his filter from that game if you guys are interested.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?user=FecalFeast

On February 01 2015 02:15 LightningStrike wrote:

I mean he not been questioning people a lot compared to his game on Campus where I played with him and in his filter this game he posting a lot of fluff and only like 1 or 2 questions which are the following Quotes:



These are the only relevant questions he had asked as far I am concerned.

On February 01 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote:
Actually yeah, Palmar post made me chuckle which makes me want to not lynch him.

On February 01 2015 03:40 Damdred wrote:


People not reading thread get Scum points strike one to hts and rs

On February 01 2015 04:20 marvellosity wrote:
rsoultin might actually be mafia though

lots of town-passes, lots of no-lynch-today passes, very few suspicions or pushes

On February 01 2015 00:17 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, HtS, I stand corrected.

I like where your head is on your reads on me and FF. You get a town pass today.

On February 01 2015 01:20 rsoultin wrote:
Unless it's to avoid a medic save.

Badumdum. <3 you Eden.

Okay, well, talking in circles. Where I'm at right now is despite wanting to give Truffle a chance to break in his new town play, if he doesn't step it up I'm totally behind lynching him today.

FF and Palmar feel more like policy lynches to me.

SL I just don't know about. It's very possible he could be scum but I always think that about him so I don't know. One thing that stood out about me regarding him is he's just not up to his usual mind-fuckery town antics so far this game. I don't know that the rage! based on what his meta said thing is scum SL or just irrational SL.

On February 01 2015 04:39 marvellosity wrote:

^ best case in the thread

On February 01 2015 04:41 Half the Sky wrote:


Then why aren't you pushing sicklucker (further) or asking him about it? You have a meta point on his "town antics" so that's something you could have used to flesh things out with him.

On February 01 2015 04:43 marvellosity wrote:
why are you appealing to Damdred?

On February 01 2015 04:45 Half the Sky wrote:


You're not helping yourself here exactly...you aren't particularly assertive this game. At all. This is my fourth game with you so I am qualified here to say that something isn't quite right.

Step it up m'lady.

##unvote
##vote Rasputin

On February 01 2015 04:46 marvellosity wrote:

and you've basically not bothered answering what i'm pushing you for.

why is that?

On February 01 2015 04:52 Trfel wrote:

I still don't know why have (or at least think you have) a tunneling reputation. Your play seems fine to me.

But you really aren't scumreading anyone at this point?

On February 01 2015 05:01 Trfel wrote:

I want to believe you. I really do.

I've felt the exact same way in the recent past. It was the game where I was mafia.

On February 01 2015 05:01 Holyflare wrote:


i guess a bit? not particularly



this strikes me as a bit weird because rsoul said hts being uninteresting/underwhelming was towny but she wants hts to become more interesting which would give the opposite read??

On February 01 2015 05:09 marvellosity wrote:
no when she's being scumread she is scum

both HF and I scumread HF day 1 in Void and we were both right.

On February 01 2015 05:11 Half the Sky wrote:


Wait, what?

1 You have yet to interact with Robik or even discuss him from what I'm seeing in your filter. So where did any read on Robik come from? Did I miss something?
2 You said earlier you wanted to get behind Damdred's read, you appealled to Damdred, and now all of a sudden you're not certain of him? Where did this come from?

On February 01 2015 05:19 Holyflare wrote:


still don't understand this, the fact that you are town reading hts and like her pushes and everyone else is saying the same thing makes your meta ..... irrelevant if you are town reading her but you're still sticking to it like it's true?

On February 01 2015 05:33 Holyflare wrote:


well that's not entirely the problem we have? you've just said that you DON'T base your read entirely on thread sentiment or if she's playing towny - which meant that what you said earlier wasn't very accurate. Fine, that's ok, make your own reads. However, if this read isn't entirely based on it then why on earth would you give her a town pass for being underwhelming????

On February 01 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think of me now? Earlier, you were willing to lynch me.

On January 31 2015 23:22 Damdred wrote:
Edens posts are interesting, they make sense. I actually like them right now, explained himself then went to pressure sl. I probably wouldn't lynch Eden today then if he keeps this up.

I might be willing to lynch Palmar

On February 01 2015 00:04 Damdred wrote:
Hts posts are good I think.

Also Palmar is a policy lynch at best it's pretty obvious.

On February 01 2015 00:22 Damdred wrote:
Also rs marv said his reason in his filter about Palmar begging out of a lynch? You don't like his reasons or missed it?

On February 01 2015 00:22 Damdred wrote:
Also rs marv said his reason in his filter about Palmar begging out of a lynch? You don't like his reasons or missed it?

On February 01 2015 04:54 Damdred wrote:
Ok so Palmar response is great. Mr. Lynch/Palomar isn't getting lynched today. Look up super bowl interview with lynch, so great.

Catching up

On February 01 2015 00:24 rsoultin wrote:


No. I see no point in lynching a claimed role Day 1.

For being the amazing town leader to sheep to victory, he's been especially useless, and I'd probably lynch him later if he continues as he is, but not today.

On February 01 2015 05:49 Half the Sky wrote:


A few of us have opposite reads on Eden from what you are implying.

Why don't you elaborate on why Eden remains unimpressive?

And why are you asking Marv if he rolled scum? If you ARE scumreading him, tell us why.

On February 01 2015 05:55 rsoultin wrote:
Okay, I guess what I really don't understand is the progression of Damdred's read on Palmar.







So is it a policy lynch or isn't it?

On February 01 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote:
Actually yeah, Palmar post made me chuckle which makes me want to not lynch him.

Still don't understand what this has to do with anything, and it's the question I've been trying to get him to answer.



Or this -_-

I mean, seriously, I can just say I don't want to be lynched over and over, too. Maybe I'm missing something but this really doesn't make any sense to me.

On February 01 2015 06:03 Trfel wrote:
What do you guys think about Holyflare and marvellosity?

On February 01 2015 06:09 marvellosity wrote:
i understand perfectly well what you're saying.

i just think you're scum saying it.

On February 01 2015 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
no laws against being scum either, only the noose

On February 01 2015 06:14 Trfel wrote:
I'm just worried that one or both of marvellosity and Holyflare is scum and they are going to completely destroy us.

On February 01 2015 06:17 Holyflare wrote:





ummmmmm
if you think ff is a policy lynch then why do you like hts' reads on ff and give it a town pass?

On February 01 2015 06:18 Eden1892 wrote:
rsoultin what are your reads right now and why?

On February 01 2015 06:21 Trfel wrote:

I've seen a lot of games where a skilled player is mafia, and convinces everyone that they are town, and in a few days the best townies are dead and it is too late. See Eden1892 in New Year's Eve mafia, Artanis[Xp] in Imperial Mafia, DarthPunk in Student Mafia V, etc. For only being here a few months and not watching all of the games in that time, that is a lot of games.

Add that to Holyflare and marvellosity both being capable of playing some of the best scum games on the site....

On February 01 2015 06:22 Holyflare wrote:


because it's super weird to think you haven't done much in the game and ff is a policy lynch at this point and then like someone who pushes both of them when you think her being good and looking towny is her staple town play????

On February 01 2015 06:26 Eden1892 wrote:

Gimme your 3 reads in which you're most confident, one of which needs to be a suspect. I'll just filter dive you for the rest.

I ask b/c people are scumreading you and I have a strong bias toward townreading you so I wanna catch up by touching base with you

On February 01 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote:


If you haven't done much in this game at all and you think FF is a policy lynch, why would you town read HTS and give her a town pass when you yourself have exclaimed that when she looks towny she is normally mafia?

On February 01 2015 06:32 Holyflare wrote:


because to you she's exhibiting everything that should make someone mafia iin your world - pushing policy lynches and people who haven't really done anything as mafia and also being town read by lots of people AND also looking more towny.

On February 01 2015 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Marv and Damdred, what do you think about this?



Earlier she said this about me:



And from what I can tell of Chez, he's not quite doing anything substantial. At least not in terms of solving the game...yet. Not from which I can tell.

On February 01 2015 00:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred - On Fecalfeast, I'm not sure his first post



I would think overexplanation of things is generally a scum trait, but it could be faulty reasoning.

Not much to glean from most of his posts at the moment. I get this thought of laziness from the first few hours of the game.

This quote is also a potential issue:



Now as I said, I'm reading HF as town. But the issue with this quote is a few things:

1 not an interest to solve the game himself
2 HF obv not confirmed town - if both are scum, this could be quite dangerous
3 Could be a scum trying to take advantage of a possible incorrect read by HF

On these two quotes, he doesn't look so good, but let's see if he picks things up.

On February 01 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote:
don't think that read of hers was particularly good or a good thought process at all :o

On February 01 2015 06:53 marvellosity wrote:

this kind of post is more aggressive than i expect from mafia damdred

On February 01 2015 06:59 Trfel wrote:

No, now I can't do my strategy of sheep marvellosity and Holyflare to victory.

I guess it's probably time I actually did something, though.

On February 01 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:

he can't be anti your confirmation bias when you don't have a stance for him to argue against

On February 01 2015 07:24 Fecalfeast wrote:

This post is weird. He quotes two things that seem scummy to him but calls me too scum to be scum and says I'm still a policy lynch, while already happy with other points against me. Sounds like some wishy-washy tmi stuff to me.

On February 01 2015 07:41 Trfel wrote:
I guess I don't really see the case on Damdred yet. His change in opinion on Palmar is really weird, but almost everything else he has said seems null at worst. Though I do find it weird that he said he was feeling really good about this game and then vanished.

On February 01 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote:
I see a case on sicklucker. I see a case on you as well. At the moment I see no need to make said cases. I suppose I'm also willing to lynch Palmar.

I'm not sure about Eden1892 and Damdred. Need some more stuff from them.

On February 01 2015 08:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and everyone been going hard on rsoultin when I had her as town and her response to the pressure reassured my town read on her. Palmar claimed scum I think? At least Tfrel might not be the best lynch today but however there isn't really any good lynches as far as I can tell for now. HF what you think of Marv this game?
##Unvote

On February 01 2015 08:09 Eden1892 wrote:

He literally just got mislynched like yesterday in Hammertime Mafia for doing this. He dicked around most of d1 and was wrong about somebody when he finally gave a strong read so he got ML'd d2. marv can say what he wants about me not knowing Palmar's style enough, but I struggle too much to believe that he goes right back to the thing that got him lynched when he's mafia.

On February 01 2015 08:15 LightningStrike wrote:

I questioning if he claiming scum or not when HTS ask for his scumreads and reading himself as scum so idk if he really claimed scum or trolling that's my thing with him.

On February 01 2015 08:18 marvellosity wrote:

so the only thing missing is him legimitately making a push on someone with some basis?

duh...

On February 01 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:
Sorry I can't be here 24/7 but work takes precedence sometimes.

Anyway a few really dumb things were said while hi was catching up. Rs isn't reading the thread again and characterized my interaction in the ls/Sl as Scum reading both etc., when I specifically said LS is fine I have an issue with Sl and how he went about it. Hf was the first to ask this.

Also LS is playing differently he's playing ok honestly and that's great really glad.

I'm not sure what everyone is in arms about when it comes to Palmar progression. He's always been a policy lynch, me saying hey I could lynch him doesn't mean it's not a policy lynch. Me changing on him doesn't matter there since there are better lynched which is what people should realize.

Trfel looks bad still to me, Eden looks marginally worse at this stage. Sl is still Scum.

On January 31 2015 11:50 Damdred wrote:
I don't get how you can all ls read on you strong really. Its sorta weird in all actuality, at that point you shouldn't of been town read at all and you even told ls he was wrong. So you think ls can't fake the read he gave?

On January 31 2015 12:48 Damdred wrote:
Thankfully I'm home so I can ninja hf instead of other way around.

LS isn't trying to solve the game AND he's playing against how he plays town, usually he has three town reads at least by meta. Even his meta on you is super weak by ls standards so I'm not sure why you give him a free pass so early and so hard.

On January 31 2015 13:00 Damdred wrote:
Overall I don't have a problem with ls play at this point as he takes a bit longer to get going. But I do not think that anything he's done should get a super hard town read like SL is giving him.

On February 01 2015 00:32 Damdred wrote:
Actually yeah, Palmar post made me chuckle which makes me want to not lynch him.

On February 01 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote:
I can't explain it, but my general feeling after the events of today is that the scum has a minimal presence in the thread. And we're all just townies arguing with each other.

This game has too many lurkers.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 01 2015 09:41 sicklucker wrote:


Actually people read me very well you might be the exception. Ive been town like 8 games now? I have never been misynched thats a pretty good track record. I post without thinking because people always read me right when I do it. + its very fun :D. It usualy takes people a day or 2 to come around tho. Which is why im a terrible day1 lynch

On February 01 2015 10:36 Trfel wrote:
rsoultin


Rsoultin's stance on Half the Sky was off. It's been pointed out already why the stance is wrong, so I don't feel the need to do it again. I also didn't particularly like Half the Sky's read on FecalFeast.

Then when rsoultin started getting questioned, she blew the first few questions off. I guess that's not completely out of character, but I don't really like it.

And while I still really don't like the way she responded to the questioning, it seems mostly consistent throughout. And I really do like rsoultin's comments on Damdred's read progression on Palmar.


This is the other weird quote from rsoultin. Before this, she said that I seemed suspicious, after this she said that I seemed suspicious. With the same reasons both times.

But that's about all that I see. Nowhere near enough to make me want to lynch rsoultin, since she provided consistent explanations, even if I disagree with them. Therefore, I apologize for jumping on that wagon like I did without checking the support first. Marvellosity and Holyflare did a fine job of questioning, I didn't need to go yelling too.

On a side note, I am really curious. Rsoultin, I've been a member of this forum for three years longer than you have. But you have nearly four times as many posts as me, and we played the same first game. How the heck did this happen?

On February 01 2015 10:45 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, what do you think about sicklucker, given his recent return to the thread and posts?

On February 01 2015 10:51 Trfel wrote:

I see where you are coming from. Perhaps you can help me go through sicklucker's filter and together we can get an okay read on him? I'm trying, but I don't think I'm getting anywhere.

On January 31 2015 07:19 sicklucker wrote:


No shit its a really bad scum read. And if I was in thread first I would have done the same thing as dandred

On February 01 2015 11:15 sicklucker wrote:
My eden read was an early day 1 read. Take it for what it is but I did unvote him

On February 01 2015 11:16 sicklucker wrote:


Like whats your angel here. You know we both ment mafia instead of town.n. Its scummy

On February 01 2015 11:35 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, how strongly are you scumreading Damdred?

I'll be gone for a short while.

On February 01 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
I'm sorry the push on me feels so idiotic. If you want me to play with super static reads that aren't whimsical at points then I'll just stop playing mafia

Rs is borderline strike three for me as I've said a few times who look the worst for me.

Anyway I don't feel a palmar lynch and would feel comfortable lynching into these people

Trfel
rsoultin
sicklyrker
hf

On February 01 2015 12:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
Someone give me a filter to look at or something I'm bored.

On February 01 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote:
Basically. RS has been throwing misinformation around all game and seemingly playing towards not reading the thread for example when he was asking Marv why he wanted to lynch palmar when it was clearly stated in marvs filter and the thread obviously. RS claims to have missed it.

He then went on to mid inform the thread about how I was reading ls, which got him strike one with me. You did as well but you found your mistake. RS repeats that mistake later by again misinforming the thread in the case how I am reading ls.

He is hounding me about me going from saying I would lynch palmar to not lynching. I mean that's just preference in not sure what else to be said I think there are scummier people and palmar was funny.

if I have to explain it 10 times I will but its bad

On February 01 2015 12:39 Damdred wrote:
Basically. RS has been throwing misinformation around all game and seemingly playing towards not reading the thread for example when he was asking Marv why he wanted to lynch palmar when it was clearly stated in marvs filter and the thread obviously. RS claims to have missed it.

He then went on to mid inform the thread about how I was reading ls, which got him strike one with me. You did as well but you found your mistake. RS repeats that mistake later by again misinforming the thread in the case how I am reading ls.

He is hounding me about me going from saying I would lynch palmar to not lynching. I mean that's just preference in not sure what else to be said I think there are scummier people and palmar was funny.

if I have to explain it 10 times I will but its bad

On February 01 2015 12:55 Damdred wrote:
I don't get why palmar is so hard to wrap your head around, I didn't say he's town like you are inferring I said I didn't want to lynch him stop being dense.

Idk why you are being purposefully dense about ls. SL gave a question mark a hard town for nothing ok.

On February 01 2015 13:00 Damdred wrote:
And hf isn't really trying to figure anyone out honestly. He's more concerned about being 100 percent right and saying he's misread or joking about reads than actually push something sustained.

On February 01 2015 13:10 Damdred wrote:


I'm not marrying but the push on me is horrid, hf should know its bad and is just spectating and not leading. Trfrl is just sheeping onto something that is easish to push at this point and RS is tunneled.

out of this RS is most likely town sadly.

On February 01 2015 13:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Okay here are my thoughts on the exchange. Had to read the thread and filters several times...



What I'm going to try and do here is analyse what Damdred said in the context of where these quotes were in the thread. The problem I have with Damdred's first quote (filter page 2, thread page 25) is "he might be willing to lynch Palmar" but there's no reason given. Amongst the other reasons cited in thread before Damdred posts is a meta read cited by Chez, Marv's read on him (looks like it's PoE based since he had nothing on others), before Damdred says "I might be willing to lynch". So I cannot tell at face value whether Damdred is sheeping what appears to be scum reads that others are making on page 24. When I say I think Palmar's policy, that's when he says the same thing (second quote posted here)

Only after that time Damdred posts the begging out part. But Rasputin, I see this post by Damdred, and seeing your response in quote, why was this concern not resolved when he posted this seven minutes later?



Should I just assume you are disagreeing on meta?

Another quote that has me a little confused from Damdred:



I can understand the confusion on Damdred's progression but I can't seem to see why Rasputin says this in her quote 5h later



...when she acknowledges him 5m later (per timestamp).

Am I misunderstanding something?

On February 01 2015 03:16 rsoultin wrote:


Is this a good reason? I'm not following it.

On February 01 2015 04:21 rsoultin wrote:


-_- meh. forgot about your reaction to the FF case

anyway, why is palmar making you chuckle significant?

On February 01 2015 13:22 Damdred wrote:


I've scum read SL from the start who hasn't pushed me.
Trfel was scum read before they re entered thread. And I didn't like trfel after that doesn't have many original thoughts sheeps opportunistic big pile of null etc.
Hf hasn't really pushed me just he's not being him.

I think the statement in only scim reading people who push me is wrong

On February 01 2015 13:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Cheers Rasputin.

(In the meantime I've unvoted you. I get the sense what you have been doing is town-driven. Accurate, that's another question...)

On February 01 2015 13:37 rsoultin wrote:
HTS and I have both talked about him some, FF, but he did fall beneath the radar as the day went on. Hold on and let me see if I agree with you on the actual content.

@Damdred...eh, we're just gonna disagree there, I think. The more important part was your reads. I'll look into Trfel. You and Trfel can both expect an answer to your questions then (though probably in the morning @.@).

Chez first.

On February 01 2015 14:10 Holyflare wrote:


No, it's not the only scummy thing in the thread. Everything he writes is backwards, his read about ls, his 100% town read on marv after JUST policy "pressuring" marv because he was super good mafia last game???? his different reads on me/damd/eden based on absolutely nothing, sure he answered but it didn't make any sense at all. His scum read on palmar which is ass backwards because he's saying palmar is mafia because he's not finding marvs tell when he doesn't have a marv tell which he'd know from imperial or whatever it was. His useless behaviour. He isn't paranoid in the slightest and literally has no back and forth with anything. He isn't indecisive. Next cycle if he isn't lynched I'll explain some more.

On February 01 2015 15:06 sicklucker wrote:
No we dont. He will get confirmed as mafia at some point if hes not doing that as town. Like it makes little sense to do as town but it makes 0 sense to do that as mafia. Robik is like 95%+ town were not lynching him even if he afks 3 days in arow.

We have max 2 blues right? So when they die or claim he cant win as mafia. Fake claiming here as mafia gives him like a 0% chance to win.

Also how come no one comments on my awesome post?

On February 01 2015 15:15 Trfel wrote:

I guess I'll request this again. I feel useless, and I really don't like that feeling. Someone help me please?

On February 01 2015 15:16 sicklucker wrote:
Well I disagree but im not gonna fight you on it because this is all you need to know.

We can confirm robik later as town or mafia when we figure out the setup so killing him now is bad

On February 01 2015 15:26 sicklucker wrote:
Even if its only a small chance we can verify him we have to keep him around. Having one extra lynch in this game is kind of a big deal. And your potentially throwing that away if you do this guys

On February 01 2015 15:50 Damdred wrote:
Like am I the only person who finds HF post in the least bit interesting? I know i'm biased cause tis about me though

On February 01 2015 15:54 sicklucker wrote:
If the lynch is actually between me and robik town is doomed.

On February 01 2015 15:56 Eden1892 wrote:
I could + Show Spoiler + lynch Robik + Show Spoiler + , yeah.

On February 01 2015 15:57 Damdred wrote:
No RS this is HF remember he just said a few pages ago he didn't forget anything this game and then just obviously misrepresented what happened/forgot/lied.

It was a rage quit and now i'm trying to be useful for the next 36-40 hours or so before I get nkd more than likely

On February 01 2015 16:01 sicklucker wrote:
No its just bad. Its actually terrible. Robik has ogi excuses too. HE DIDNT VOTE AS MAFIA IN ANOTHER GAME THAT JUST FINISHED.

Like I would kill rsoultin now this is not real life

On February 01 2015 16:09 Eden1892 wrote:
Anyway my short list is actually LightningStrike and FecalFeast, but somebody was townreading LS for reasons I don't remember cause I didn't read. Maybe I should look into that.

I especially don't remember anything about FF. LS I at least went "Oh yeah, that guy's in the game" for. FF I was like "...wait who?"

On February 01 2015 16:13 sicklucker wrote:


A guy trying to imitate chezunu. I cant think of anyone id rather policy lynch not even ff. He also tried to put scum on ls day one. Hes the easiest mislynch ever and its a scum tell 101

On January 31 2015 07:08 Chezitwo wrote:

Do you think this post makes LS likely to be a linux user?

On February 01 2015 16:31 Holyflare wrote:
hey that damdred guy totally criticised me and then fucked off

fu damdy

On February 01 2015 16:36 sicklucker wrote:
Tfel remember that time after you got nked as town I went through your filter and convinced town ff was your green check?

Im a useful town. FF not so much

On February 01 2015 16:39 Eden1892 wrote:
@rsoultin


@HF when I went to dig this back up I saw you said "read past games." can you save me the effort I'm not going to put forth to do this and tell me why I'm supposed to think I'm wrong were I to do so

On February 01 2015 17:15 Trfel wrote:
Unless rsoultin wants to stay up and talk about this?

On February 01 2015 17:25 Trfel wrote:

Cool. Don't expect sanity from me either

So we have FecalFeast, Palmar, and Robik, right? I think we can drop Chezitwo from the list?

To me, the most compelling reason to lynch Palmar is what the vets are saying about his meta (marvellosity on never mislynching Palmar, Holyflare on Palmar's claim to not have read his role PM).

I'm not sure what to think about FecalFeast. The question seems to be if his play is worse than in previous games. And I don't like heavily meta-based arguments like that. The only alternative is that in the few posts he has actually been playing the game, he seems fine.

Then there's Robik. I actually feel like scumreading him for his claim, since he followed it up with absolutely nothing and we already have another blue claim. But he's been gone for quite some time, and it is very possible that he was intending to mess around for a while and then play seriously later, but real life intervened and he was not given the opportunity.

On February 01 2015 17:27 Trfel wrote:

Eh, I don't want to lynch Eden1892 at the moment. Which I suppose makes him scum by his own admission....

His filter seems fine to me if you believe that he really doesn't want to get killed on night 1. Unfortunately, that casts a cloud of doubt on everything he says.

I will certainly hold him to higher standards from Day 2 on out (assuming the mafia team has any sense of decency).

On February 01 2015 17:45 Trfel wrote:

I've never been in a game with a scum lynch on Day 1. Last game was close, but I was the scum, so that doesn't really count....

And I have to leave tomorrow. I want to get this right, or at least get the lynch on the best place overall.

On February 01 2015 17:50 Fecalfeast wrote:
1) Trfel - Doesn't want to lynch me maybe, despite his vote, which is nice. Wanted to sleep 1.5+ hours ago but calls out hf for not gonig to bed...? null/town
2) LightningStrike http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476878-linux-mini-mafia?page=21#414 ‘will return tmrw with reads'(nope) pokey questions and little substance. sorta tries to throw scum at me but never follows up. scumpile for sure
3) Chezitwo calls me scum for bad filter, has bad filter, seems to go for low hanging fruit, scumpile
4) Damdred Looks like he is actively trying to solve the game, has some inconsistencies but blue claim so town for now but
5) IAmRobik zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
6) rsoultin huge filter, asking real questions, pushing for answers, town
7) sicklucker different this game, but he is right that I can't read him, really. null/would lynch since he wants to kill me.
8) Half the Sky yeah lots of good stuff townpile
9) Eden1892 big posts, seems to be putting in effort but filter seems like following thread sentiment rather than putting anything new forward
10) Palmar would lynch to save self
11) MARVELLOSITY Wants to kill palmar, 6 pages d1, 4x mafia in a row is improbable townpile
12) HolyFlare 11 pages, helping the game progress, rly mad sometimes. Seems town to me.
13) FecalFeast poop eater 420


I have a google doc for notes that I was "using" at work and I just did some filter looking to expand on it or completely change it in some parts

On February 01 2015 18:43 Chezitwo wrote:

Does a faulty device try to become favored, or would it settle to be average?

On February 01 2015 18:54 Chezitwo wrote:

Would a faulty device in league with other faulty devices present itself as a favored distro, then sit back without trying to upgrade itself? I am not sure...

On February 01 2015 18:59 Fecalfeast wrote:

why are you reading your own filter?

Palmar is here taunting us while robik is ded

On February 02 2015 00:46 Damdred wrote:
I agree in this setupwhat robik did is the safest thing for mafia gf to do. However we can have other information help us in lynching him another day.

On February 02 2015 00:54 Palmar wrote:
I like how everyone is trying to kill me over robik because he's a blueclaim when I've claimed gentoo like 3 times now.

Also

##vote holyflare

On February 02 2015 01:08 Damdred wrote:
RS I can understand people being upset at the claim which is ok. But do you think the way hf is reacting to everything else I posted over the top?

On February 02 2015 01:13 Palmar wrote:

Like this sentence here is just fantastic.

First of all, most likely LS fails to properly read that when I say "He is so mad at Damdred" I'm talking about HF to HTS, which is why the gender is correct. But what if this assumption is incorrect?

We can also take the post to mean that LS thinks that I need to be aware of HTS being a girl while talking to her, as if I should change my presentation based on what, and given the "sorry" at the beginning there it implies that if we assume that he did understand that I was talking about HF, he doesn't expect HTS to quite get my argument simply because she is a girl? I think an alternative to explain this option is "Sorry palmar, but she's not gonna get that, please present simpler arguments a woman could understand".

Then there is the possibility the sorry is aimed at me, as in "you poor soul, you're talking to women here, you should tread carefully", in which case LS clearly thinks of the gender as not only relevant but also something to treat with the utmost care because it could have dire consequences if I don't.

Thirdly, maybe the "sorry" is aimed at himself, and he just feels incredibly saddened by the situation, as if a conversation between two people is extremely sad if those people happen to be of a different gender. "I'm so sad this conversation is happening between these people of differing genders".

And lastly, maybe it's aimed at my intelligence, in kinda the same way southerners say "Bless your heart". As if he is simply pointing out my perceived ignorance that he somehow managed to extract from a post that had nothing to do with either HTS or rsoultin. "Bless your heart Palmar, but didn't you know they were women?"

On February 02 2015 01:20 LightningStrike wrote:

He was making a statement about my post towards him.

On February 02 2015 01:37 LightningStrike wrote:
rsoultin why you voting Palmar?

On February 02 2015 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
honestly the fact that the game is very hard to figure out is a decent argument for HF being mafia.

Actually it's a really terrible argument but it's kinda a good argument.

not sure i want to take the punt today though...

maybe Chezitwo is a good lynch after all?

On February 02 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote:

well, it's kinda a combination of terrible associative reads, like this:

I think Chezitwo is kinda suspicious, he's voting Palmar
I think sl is kinda suspicious, he's voting Palmar

I'm kinda suspicious of HF atm, and the one thing Palmar has done is attack HF (the Damdred stuff)

On February 02 2015 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
like give me 3 mafia rsoultin.

are you gonna say Palmar, Robik, +1?

that's gonna be pretty meh.

who are you wrong on? because you're guaranteed to be wrong on a couple at this stage.

On February 02 2015 02:12 marvellosity wrote:

you're missing my point. but i cba to explain it. i didn't ask you because i wanted you to figure out the scumteam.

like... say you list out the people you're confident are town, the people you think are scum, and the people in between. certainly there are the people in the in-between you're wrong about, and one of those could be chezitwo.

or he could be town. who the fuck knows really.

On February 02 2015 02:14 marvellosity wrote:
there is one thing about chezitwo i guess, if i had to pull something out of a hat:

he voted Palmar on a metapoint from the middle of last year, yet never checked FF's meta at all until I mentioned it.

On February 02 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:
what game is that quote from btw I searched for it and I can't find it anywhere?

On February 02 2015 03:35 Chezitwo wrote:

oh..
I thought you were my friend.

On February 02 2015 03:42 Chezitwo wrote:

I am good at using the search function when I know what I am looking for. With Palmar, I remembered. With FF, I had nothing to remember.

On February 02 2015 03:49 Chezitwo wrote:

Why does my self vote make you think I am not?

Since the dawn of time.