[T] Jack of All Trades Mafia

On January 30 2015 10:04 Trfel wrote:
I can't help it....

Against my better judgement...

/in

On March 03 2015 09:04 geript wrote:
Also. I'm pretty sure I have a foolproof way to read Sandroba. It's actually quite interesting.

On March 03 2015 09:08 Alakaslam wrote:
Shit shit shit I was trying to get reads.

Rsoultin you scum? Why are you totally unconcerned who I shoot?

On March 03 2015 09:10 Half the Sky wrote:


Trying to make Rasputin look bad? She focused her question on Onegu.

On March 03 2015 09:47 geript wrote:
I forget which game it was where Koshi ended up getting lynched (maybe shot) because he pretty much did nothing but try to not get lynched. And that's essentially all he's doing here. Spoiler he was mafia.

It's weird, while I'm pretty unsure of Rayn I actually think that the other people I'm ok with taking a shot are:rsoultin, Damdred, Slam. Like maybe your mom too. But those three are definitely town.

On March 03 2015 09:53 Breshke wrote:


And how is that going for you?



I don't know if i agree with this from what i remember koshi at least tried to push some stuff he is basically promising to do absolutely nothing this game. Feel like he could genuinely be busy this game

On February 04 2015 08:23 Koshi wrote:

I am going to do completely nothing this game till D4.

On March 03 2015 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote:

Yeah but you have to think of the layers of wifom we're dealing with here.
Chaos is a scum team's best friend unless scum is in a position of influence in the thread. If scum creates the order, they can focus town on itself and keep the spotlight off themselves. A scum team organizing the thread can be just as dangerous as a scum team dismantling the thread.

On March 03 2015 11:12 Tubesock wrote:


My point was more, Geript thought RNG was fine. Then later the vote idea came up, and now he's not at all for an RNG or any type of plan that isn't just him shooting. And then later, he thinks we should hunt ninja's? While I liked his explanation of "not really hunting ninja's but being more happy to have one die to remove 2 non towns in game" it just feels like he's pushing for more chaos.

On March 03 2015 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:
What the fuck why is Lightningstrike nuked

On March 03 2015 18:18 your mom wrote:


im quite jealous that you attribute hts being called out to rayn, cause he was the fourth in a series of three in which i think i was the first to point out the scummy posting. rayn basically just called her mafia without a given reason and then proceeded to do so with a lot of other people including me, diluting his committment to a mafia hts and giving himself a lot of other options without pushing anyone in particular.

On March 04 2015 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't understand what you are asking?
That is the basis of my scumread on your mom.

On March 04 2015 03:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Well Koshi peaced out and Rayn wants to shoot Your Mom I finding it weird but I like his thing on Your Mom. Rayn when Koshi peace off like he did does it indicate if he's Town or Mafia and why?
Rsoultin thoughts on Damdred, Toad, Rayn, and Your Mom?

On March 04 2015 03:39 AT.Epiphany wrote:


I don't want to shoot him, and I'm leaning more on him as Town. I'm more comfortable shooting your mom as per Rayn's long reasoning.

In any event, if you do want to shoot him I, please the guys advocating this, and especially the guy pulling the trigger, please provide some reasoning deeper than "he started out not being very active". I might be wrong and he may well be scum, but if not, I really want the guys who are so keen to shoot to not fall back on reasoning like "Oh well that's too bad" or "He should have participated more". This is a very convenient bandwagon at the moment, and it's really easy for people to default to shooting him because he seems like the most obvious candidate.

The thing I really don't want is the Mafia being able to take a shot at a guy, provide almost no reasoning before and then afterwards when he flips town to claim that it was justified because he acted a little unusual.

It's really late in my time zone, so I will be going to bed shortly.

On March 04 2015 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wrong conclusion.

On March 04 2015 03:49 AT.Epiphany wrote:


I'm tired, but seriously my reason was "I think he's town", which I've explained in two separate posts.

I agree with rayn's reasoning. You're free to conclude whatever you want from that.

It's a meaningful rant, because we're nearing a situation where exactly what I said is looking likely.

On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:


Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit.

Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan).

Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him.

Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.

On March 04 2015 04:08 IAmRobik wrote:

The problem I have with HtS is that she's not asking people for opinions. That's a staple of her town play and it's just not happening this game. Contrarily, I really like her opening and I like her justification that it's not scummy because she's town. I might be misremembering my own play, but I think I usually say that type of stuff as town and not mafia.

On March 04 2015 04:39 your mom wrote:


are you the other knight in shining armor?
will you be my sancho panza?

On March 04 2015 04:44 Half the Sky wrote:


I'm thinking back to Carol, where he didn't do jack all most of the game. And I was pushing his lynch like crazy in Titanic so part of his activity (prior to the scumread on Palmar) was defending himself as well.

On March 04 2015 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:

Are you suggesting that when sicklucker is Mafia he makes sense?

On March 04 2015 06:24 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm shooting lightning strike -- i've decided. Sorry for all of you other people who think your opinions matter

On March 04 2015 06:36 sandroba wrote:

He didn't play in titanic, but metal mini was a lot different than this. Lots more questions and one line acusations, not a lot of whishywashyness, different from here. I'm inclined to believe the dude is town now.

On March 04 2015 06:42 sicklucker wrote:
Like im pretty sure koshis the leading candidate for the shoot and since im here ill be attempting to make it any objections?

On March 04 2015 07:16 Half the Sky wrote:
More filter diving.

Anyone have thoughts on Sepulchre?



That post was about 20 hours after his first relatively detailed post, and assuming this is a smurf (if it's not, someone correct me please), this person could be trying to cruise on that first post. I don't like this second post, even Sep skimming the thread, I'm surprised Rayn's filter isn't either changing his mind or allowing him (her) to elaborate on how he goes from this:



....to "Rayn is the best shot" even if it's not with full confidence.

At face value, it looks scummy to me. This also reads like someone who is trying to keep options open as well.

On March 04 2015 07:31 IAmRobik wrote:

WTF IS THIS BULLSHIT READ. HE LITERALLY JUST MADE A LIST POST FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING A LIST POST RIGHT BEFORE THE SHOT. WHAT SANDRO POINTED OUT IS 100% ACCURATE AND IT MAKES ME WANT TO SHOOT HIM EVEN MORE. DEFENDING HIM IS NOT A FUCKING SMART MOVE

On March 04 2015 07:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
OK I'm "caught up" in that I skimmed most of the stuff between page 47 and 54 and then read from where I posted that I was going to work.

Who else wants to shoot rasputin?

On March 04 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:

Seriously? Nobody thinks rasputin is scum?

On March 04 2015 08:39 Breshke wrote:


lol i thought that this



Ment that you were telling people to not shoot YM as you were with LS my bad.

Anyway what do you think about bats. He isnt really pushing anything this game other than like one or two posts on mocsta. Isn't his town tell if he pushes anything at all not really seeing it here. Also says he will 100% shoot and doesn't end up even attempting too. Seemingly forcing town to rush there shot IDK?

On March 04 2015 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:

You never asked.

On March 04 2015 08:49 Fecalfeast wrote:

Most of your filter is prodding at other people and evaluating their reads or summing up what they are saying. You aren't without your own thought, I will admit. Your tone this game reminds me of your tone in titanic where you act like you're trying to be the mediator.

Also, I hope a meta expert like LS can do my work for me here, I'm pretty sure your usage of -actions- is part of my tone read.

On March 04 2015 08:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
To elaborate, I think you are putting more effort into trying to look like you're doing something by providing summaries and tl;dr's rather than reads and analysis

On March 04 2015 09:00 sandroba wrote:
@rsoultin reasons for thinking LS was a bad shot?

On March 04 2015 09:09 sandroba wrote:
Sorry man I'd disagree on that one. That big wall of reads he made does not look like stream of consciousness at all and is the sole reason I'm pursuing this.

On March 04 2015 09:15 IAmRobik wrote:

except the list didn't have that at all. in fact the premise of the list is to not be stream of consciousness posting

On March 04 2015 09:17 LightningStrike wrote:

To be fair I haven't rolled scum since Student IV it been a long ass time but that was your first game here silly

On March 04 2015 15:39 geript wrote:

I kinda agreed on Toadstern's point on him. For being a smurf he's been really unimpressive to me. I don't think Sandroba really ever explained why he has a townread on him in specific.

On March 04 2015 07:40 batsnacks wrote:


8 page filter... 1 guy dies and you don't know what you're doing? lol

On March 04 2015 15:50 geript wrote:

He felt really town early on. Now. IDK. Looking at his filter he's far less impressive.


I can't quite explain it, but there's a very flippant tone to this that kinda make me thinks he's town.

It's really hard without interacting with him a bunch. Like overall he's been really subpar compared to his standard. But I have no reason to disbelieve him being busy. I think I've seen a similar game where he's been busy town. Off the top of my head I can't quite place it.

On March 04 2015 15:57 geript wrote:
The more I look at Batsnacks the more it feels like he's just on the sidelines not doing anything.

On March 03 2015 14:13 Damdred wrote:


actually he wasn't being a sweeping paranoid since I was scum in titanic and he sheeped me but showed no fear towards me here instead of focusing on Hts who he played a more recent town game with and you who he last played scum with I believe.

so no and I can't check his opener now which is blah

On March 03 2015 11:47 LightningStrike wrote:
I'm back and I finding Geript pretty townie this game but than again I never played vs his Mafia yet but so far I feel he's pushing and asking a ton of questions is pretty much him being town.
Slam is thinking logically so far although I hate how he suggested a RNG shot Blazinghand style but he been pushing out ideas and not being boring like he was in Slytherin and Student IV when he was Mafia so I giving him a town read by meta.
HTS looks really shakey and starting to look a tiny bit like her Void and Newbie LX Mafia games so possible Mafia by meta.
rsoultin I love you and all but I need some extra time on you from the fact that I just coming off of 2 games of you being Mafia and might get some paranoia which I might have still on HTS because I not completely forgiven her for lynching me in Newbie LX. But you being very cheerful so far but idk if that is alignment indicative.
Tubesock I hated the No Shoot idea but the logic behind it seems townie but I have yet to see him play as Mafia.
Breshke is asking some questions and also reconsider his own thoughts and looks townie.
Damdred you need to bleed town this game to me because the last time I played with you in Titanic you were Mafia yet you looked so townie in my eyes I just couldn't really play right
Your Mom and Sepulchre are both smurfs and idk their other ids but I finding Sepulchre pretty townie on his large post and asking questions with some good explanations for why he thought of stuff like HTS making them intentionally bad or bait and his thing on OBS but I remember OBS having bad Day 1s as town so I would give OBS some extra time to see if he bleeds town.
Your Mom haven't posted much either and got Null on him simply because he got very short questions and posts so far so I might need more posts from him to see where he lies for now.

On March 04 2015 16:13 Keirathi wrote:

It's the "rayn is the best shot in the long run" thing. Not "rayn is mafia and he should die" or whatever.

And basically the same thing with Koshi. "I don't really think Koshi is mafia, but I would be okay if someone shot him".

On March 04 2015 16:20 geript wrote:

I'm not quite sure I get your question. I'm kinda looking at other stuff, but I think it's a summary of Damdred making a post where he misconstrues LS' first post. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I don't really see that as malicious necessarily. Like even my memory of games changes. Like if Damdred is mafia, I don't think that's a the reason why he's mafia. Like it's something almost too inane to do intentionally as any alignment.

On March 04 2015 16:21 geript wrote:

It's really weird because it's not even a post on Your Mom being town in any clear way either. Like there's lots of little things really bug me about it.

On March 04 2015 06:35 Damdred wrote:
I honestly can't catch up with how the thread is speeding and interact at the same time I'm not going to try to take the shot I believe because of that. (I'm moderatly caught up)

Geript, RS are really town, kit is as well. Your mom looks ok I think right now, Hts looks better.

I'd shoot oneg or sand I think

On March 04 2015 16:40 Keirathi wrote:

Oh, I missed the YM reference in that post.

But still, that post is 10.5 hours before the deadline. When he comes back to thread 3 hours before the deadline, he does nothing to try to keep YM from getting shot.

Generally if a townie things someone else is town, they at least provide some reasons or try to have a discussion with the people wanting to lynch said person. Or at least try to push someone they do think is mafia instead.

On March 04 2015 16:58 Tubesock wrote:


Why do you think I'm not playing?

I wasn't in the game, but I read one of Sickluckers scum games and the difference I thought was I was less irritated at him. He seemed more coherent and less crazy assed "plays". Imperial as town SL soft and hard claimed cop I think it was and it was such a ridiculously bad play it really turned the thread upside down. In Carol he was constantly talking presents and doing weird shit with Holyflare.

He's been so agreeable this game. It's weird. No plays, no guys do this then we are in auto...or any crazy thoughts. Like every post makes sense on the first read.

On March 04 2015 17:10 Keirathi wrote:

Oh, for some reason when you quoted that post, it changed the time stamp back to TL time instead of local time. So that post where he said "YM looks okay" or whatever was after the time I was looking at where he came back ot thread.

Stupid TL time stamps fucking with me.

Anyways, I do still think it's weird that his only thoughts on YM were "YM looks okay" then "YM didn't look bad, what was the malfunction" even without time context. Like he gave no reasons for why LM looked "okay" or anything, then was upset when rayn shot him. Except he didn't even really seem to care very much to question rayn about the shot or whatever. Just feels kind of forced.

Maybe I'm just reading too hard into it now since I started talking about it. I'll sleep on it and see what I'm feeling tomorrow.

On March 04 2015 17:13 Onegu wrote:



No way does scum Robik fake being that upset over a misspelled name. I need to re read/read most of this thread again as I have only kinda skimmed it looking for tone reads.

Like when people I know can read me correctly and have always correctly done so in games I have played with them, gets my alignment wrong makes me feel really weird about them even though they otherwise look townie.

I have more tone town reads at this point which is weird for me at this point.

On March 04 2015 17:37 Tubesock wrote:


This is his most useful post. Then he says that he likes SL which probably means he's mafia. (probably where I got the idea from). Then he starts complaining about the quick pace of the game and how he can't catch up.

Course, I think this is at least the third game I've read where he whines about that both as scum and town.

On March 04 2015 05:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Okay, that makes sense to me.

Check out Horn of Africa. What was left of Golden Sun and Glory Seeker might also be good checks, though they're both really old.

I'd say that Koshi might be my preferred shot but meh. I can't say I'm hyper interested in today's shot specifically because one of the more passionate players (geript, rayn, robik) are probably going to shoot someone asap and I don't have the same kind of conviction they do atm.

(Though I read robik's post on shooting batsnacks and I might be inclined to agree with that. Batsnacks behaving like a ghost is more indicative of scum than town in my experiences.)

On March 04 2015 18:13 Tubesock wrote:


haha yeah I thought I was being really funny when I said Geript is my third towniest person.

I've reread Keirathi like 3 times. I really really like his thought processes and questions of people. But I'm also realizing I need to reread again because I can't remember his reads. maybe it's because they're not listed, I'm assuming he's scumming Sepulchre and Batsnacks? Who is he interested in?

On March 04 2015 18:20 Onegu wrote:



Geript has correctly read me in every single game we have played together, yet he is scum reading me when I am town this game. Also normally I'll get scum tones from like half of a player list then focus on the heavier reads. This is why I will sheep a lot as town, I'll get scum tones from players then be ok to vote them if a vet pushes their lynch heavy. This game I'm just not seeing to much that is making my gut need some pepto. Again I haven't read closely at all just skimming.

On March 04 2015 18:33 Breshke wrote:
Rsoul is the only reason you like mocsta because he actually talked things out with you?

If LS is town then mocsta's read on bats makes little sense. He thinks bats is not mafia for sitting on the sidelines when the shot was between a town (your mom) and LS. Even if LS is mafia i don't see how he comes to the conclusion that bats is not mafia.

On March 04 2015 20:04 Mocsta wrote:

Its pretty simple.

I got the vibe that he is holding back.
At the same time, when he posts, its quite relaxed.

THATS THE CONNUNDRUM.

Most people that try to post relaxed (as mafia) come across as try-hard. Not Batsnacks.

I get: intentionally not contributing/withholding, but relaxed.

==> Potential samurai enemy or useless town.

I'm giving him benefit of the doubt, and scratching useless town.

On March 10 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote:


Ehhhh, let's just say from what I understand a number of people in Obs QT were pissed at the ninjas, especially the one that shot two townies. And Rasputin knows me very well, she will be fuming when she discovers that I shot her.

EDIT: Also people were under the impression that she was shot because of Rayn and Koshi telling the ninja to shoot her. In actuality, that was completely untrue. I'm painfully aware dead townies can be wrong.

On March 10 2015 09:55 Half the Sky wrote:


Yes, he was. And geript coached him to play exactly like his town meta. No one was the wiser.